That readers added a background to the picture, does not make things better, because no matter when, where, why these kids do/did it it's sick beyond everything and speak volume about the mentality in which they grow up:
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Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide
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That readers added a background to the picture, does not make things better, because no matter when, where, why these kids do/did it it's sick beyond everything and speak volume about the mentality in which they grow up:
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One has also to use some critical thinking too. How would Khamas attack Israeli forces by being shirtless and waving a white flag? As Chris Hedges puts it: "The shooting dead of three Israeli hostages who apparently escaped their captors and approached Israeli forces with their shirts off, waving a white flag and calling out for help in Hebrew is not only tragic, but a glimpse of Israel's rules of engagement in Gaza. These rules are — kill anything that moves."
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Well, I can't speak for hlat, but even if that is not your intent, I can see why it comes across as a bit "propagandistic", for lack of a better word.
The thing is, saying things like that "I have no clue whether this is true or not" leaves it more open to it being interpreted as an attitude reflective of what was shared here:
I was thinking of an article that was published on SOTT NINE years ago and it makes the same important points as you made above:
The "Middle Ground" Fallacy in Gaza
I had a discussion on Facebook recently over the Gaza conflict. I was posting about the horrific abuses of Israel, he was countering with the supposed equal abuses of Hamas. After we traded points a few times I came to see where our difference of...www.sott.net
I suggest that you read that article if you haven't had a chance to yet.
By now, everyone here has a pretty good idea of what is going on. Even if you can't confirm a news item 100%, you can be pretty sure of which side is attacking the other, and committing abhorrent crimes. Yet, in your posts, it's often a "50/50 probability", you see? It also sometimes isn't clear whether you understand or not, that this is not a war, but a genocide, and it's not "Hamas" (Israel's puppet) vs Israel. I hope this helps.
You wishing for a better world and what you explained in earlier posts, though understandable, doesn't take away the facts (and that is part of our lesson, to see reality as it is!). Without trying to force a change in the world, we sometimes still need to not stay so "neutral", and to defend the truth. Psychos thrive on people's fear of standing up for truth, on our sense of "fairness", or "I won't take sides", etc. Regardless of the effect that has (which we can only see in non-linear ways, and we cannot control), it's about what you align yourself with, the opposite of "sitting between 2 stools". OSIT.
Corvus
Dagobah Resident
When someone takes of their clothes it is to show they do not have any hidden weapons or bombs on them and they not being a threat so to not get shoot, so this was deliberate and standard operative procedure to kill surrendering Palestinians( they thought they were) and just another isreali lie to justify murder because if there was some grain of truth to it and that is big if they would be clothed if it was a bait by Hamas.
I am not neutral at all. Not sitting between two of anything.
The situation in Gaza has to stop.
I can wish for better things WHILE (and BECAUSE OF) seeing atrocities around me.
I've written this before, time and again.
If my input, or discussion, needs to be qualified every single time with that then it becomes strange and combersome.
It would be easier for me to just stay out of the conversation, rather than being called "propagandized" every single day. There are many people here, like me, who see right through the "government", and protest incessantly and help whomever needs helping.
I don't feel the need to boast in the ways I am anti-bibi, or in the ways I choose to help the unfortunate.
I realize everyone is upset, and so am I.
But my geographical location should not be coloring how my posts are read nearly half as much as the case seems to be.
Or does living in the U.S. mean that one is automatically a psycho-brainwashed imperialist ? How is that possible. It makes no sense.
I've been part of the forum for years, it is strange that this anger is being cast based on nothing but location.
Again this has become about me, when I do not wish it to be.
I think I will focus more on other threads that interest me
I'll retype what I started with here just in case it was missed:
I am not neutral at all. Not sitting between two of anything.
The situation in Gaza has to stop.
'Why CIA is not pushing for creation of Palestinian state?...
www.rt.com
19 Dec, 2023
english.almayadeen.net
20.12.2023
CIA pushing to resume Hamas talks – media
CIA director Bill Burns has held talks with Israeli and Qatari officials aimed at restarting the release of Hamas hostages, reports say
...Because CIA is buying time for Israel to proceed with ethnic cleansing.'
Dozens of Palestinian martyrs in Israeli massacres across Gaza
The Israeli occupation executed airstrikes and artillery shelling across Gaza as the genocide continues for the 75th day.
english.almayadeen.net
Israel seized Jabalia, about to take over Shujayya in Gaza — president
20 DEC, 2023
msasa79
Jedi Master
Calling the extermination and genocide that Israel is doing to Palestinians repeatedly as "situation in Gaza" is indicative of your stance that comes over as kind of "propagandistic" and even "apologetic". FWIW.
“New Guantánamo”: Euro-Med Monitor calls for international probe into Israel’s torture and murder of Gaza detainees
"Geneva - An impartial and urgent investigation is needed to probe the Israeli army’s torture and murder of Palestinian civilians detained in different areas of the Gaza Strip, Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor said in a statement issued on Monday."
"Testimonies gathered by Euro-Med Monitor teams confirm reports published by Israel’s Haaretznewspaper about Israeli field executions of Gazan detainees. Additional detainees have died after being subjected to extreme torture and mistreatment in the “Sde Teman” Israeli army camp, located between Beersheba and Gaza."
"The aforementioned camp has been turned into a new Guantánamo-like prison, the Geneva-based human rights group said, where detainees are caged in inhumane conditions; Euro-Med Monitor cited the Israeli army’s use of open-air chicken coops to house the detained and withholding of food or drink for long periods of time."
"The Sde Teman camp detains Palestinians of all ages, from young children to elderly people."
Full article below:
“New Guantánamo”: Euro-Med Monitor calls for international probe into Israel’s torture and murder of Gaza detainees
“New Guantánamo”: Euro-Med Monitor calls for international probe into Israel’s torture and murder of Gaza detainees
ApotheosisMMC.
Jedi Council Member
Okay, let's take the idea that this has to stop in order to end the barbarism and the bloodshed, how would that be possible? And what would happen next?
It should have stopped by now. I think the better question is WHY it hasn't so far.
Who does the war machine serve ?
These are things we've at least partially [ if not fully ] figured out already.
As to what "would" happen next.
I don't know, but with the way things have been unfolding over the past couple of years, probably some other, unexpected, even worse event (?)
'Houthis are preparing to defend Gaza.'
sputnikglobe.com
5 hours ago (Updated: 5 hours ago)
Yemen's Houthis Reveal General Mobilization Action to Send Soldiers to Gaza
General mobilization is being carried out in northern Yemen to send soldiers to the Gaza Strip if there is such opportunity, member of the political office of Yemen's Ansar Allah rebel movement, also known as the Houthis, Houtham Assad told Sputnik on Wednesday.
sputnikglobe.com
Lyndi
Jedi Master
To my thinking, Israel has to deal with their own politicians or face their pariah-ship in the world.
Suspicion that getting rid of Netanyahu will be sooner rather than later. There is still Israel but the push for two-state solution, which is Canada's position incidentally, on resolution may have some traction then? Scott Ritter's three reasons given for the Oct 7 operation by Hamas was 1) put two-state solution on the table, 2) hostage exchange and 3) Al-Aqsa mosque.
Settlers stormed Al-Aqsa mosque Oct 4th.
Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa Mosque complex on fifth day of Sukkot
