Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide

[Jo Bugman]

So no ground operation, but instead a vile, cruel, coward and clear war crime by hitting a hospital full of children. Absolutely indefensible, the MSM will have a hard time spinning this atrocity. But beyond this, Israel is doing everything in its hands to deserve massive retaliation from different angles.

What is the purpose of this hit? No strategic value other than terror for terror itself, it will not deter the Palestinians, on the contrary, and the international outcry will be heard all around the world.

Maybe also Israel is trying to scare the population into leaving Gaza by bombing everything while teasing a ground invasion. But where can Palestinians go when Israel bombs the ones leaving?
It does seem like they painted themself into a corner and I’m curious to see how the Israeli population will react. If the ground invasion never happens, the radicals will be angry at Bibi, if it does I could see the younger generation (the soldiers being sent to fight) protesting as well. It’s a lose-lose for the current administration at this point.

 

[Laurentien2]

Why create this fake video;

Meanwhile in Tel Aviv, the German govt plane lands, the Chancellor is immediately 'taken to a bomb shelter', and the rest of his staff take cover on the tarmac.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714369846148833793

Farcical theatrics!?

If they were really in any danger, they would not have flown into Israel, surely?

As shown by Emerald Rob post;

Tel Aviv, Israel. 17th Oct, 2023. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD, M) arrives in Israel for a solidarity visit. Scholz will then fly on to Egypt. Credit: Michael Kappeler/dpa Pool/dpa/Alamy Live News Stock Photo - Alamy

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Tel Aviv, Israel. 17th Oct, 2023. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD, M) arrives in Israel for a solidarity visit. Scholz will then fly on to Egypt. Credit: Michael Kappeler/dpa Pool/dpa/Alamy Live News Stock Photo - Alamy

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Why a false depiction of an attack on Tel Aviv airport. Well it's a war zone after all and bombs explode every where in Israel. But if it is so dangerous, why send the president of the United State in the middle of a war zone.
I have a bad feeling about that one, what can happen to an unpopular president under investigation for corruption, under impeachment bref whom political career as hit the bottom and only a miracle or a bigger election fraud could save him.
It most be the flu and fever that work my imagination.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

EXPERT ANALYSIS: WHO BOMBED THE AL AHLI BAPTIST HOSPITAL IN GAZA?Marine Corps Veteran expert analysis of the recent bombing incident at the hospital reveals critical findings:- Fuel Explosion Duration: The initial explosion likely lasted 0.5-0.75 seconds, emitting light for a brief period. This suggests it is not an incendiary device.
- Parking Lot Damage: The damage in the parking lot is attributed to either overpressure or a fuel explosion. There's minimal debris near the cars.

- Shielding Effect: A surrounding building shielded one side of the parking lot, preventing diesel/gas fires from reaching the vehicles. All windows in nearby buildings shattered due to the primary and fuel explosions.- Last Video Variation: The final video displays a smaller fuel explosion, and the submunition release is less clear.

CONCLUSION:- The explosive device likely ranged from 300-600 lbs. Larger bombs would've scattered more debris in the parking lot than on buildings.- A 700lb+ bomb would've caused more damage to building tops due to shockwaves.
- Most visible damage is attributed to the fuel explosion; the primary explosion likely caused structural damage.

Probable munitions and their possessors:

1. Mk-82/Mk-83 General Purpose Bombs:- Possessed by: Multiple countries, including the US and NATO members. Versatile, unguided bombs.

2. GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB):- Possessed by: United States and allies. Known for precision strikes.

3. GBU-12 Paveway II Laser-Guided Bomb:- Possessed by: United States and allies. Converts unguided bombs into precise munitions.

4. AGM-65 Maverick Missile:- Possessed by: United States and allies. Air-to-surface missile for precision strikes.Audio Analysis: Based on the video, we can hear what the Hamas missiles and a JDAM missile sound like. Then, we have the audio of the attack on the hospital, and it sounds very similar to a JDAM missile. Hamas does not have the infrastructure and capabilities to fire a JDAM.These insights offer clarity into the incident, highlighting potential munitions and the militaries that may possess them, and that could have been behind the attacks.

FINAL CONCLUSION:Based on the evidence, this could not have been the Islamic Jihad, as claimed by the Israeli Defense Force, based on our analysis of the information we have so far. They do not possess the capabilities for such advanced weaponry.

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: This is an analysis is preliminary, and is done by a Marine Corps Veteran Explosives & Ordinance Expert, and reviewed by many others.

As I've said before, we CANNOT come to final conclusions just yet.The IDF has denied the above claims, and has stated it shared evidence with US Intelligence, including footage and intercepted conversations, that will prove the Islamic Jihad were behind the bombing of the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital. This footage and the conversations will also be made public, according to Reuters.The videos are compiled from various sources and do not represent our opinion in any way.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714419377305428295

Am I supposed to believe that a low-explosive Hamas homemade missile did all that? Did it hit the fuel tanks or something?
That Israel changes its version of the facts every 10 minutes doesn't help either ( and that they constantly delete videos and tweets, the Israel account seems to provide everything except intelligence information).
They must be dissociated and feel cornered-prised if they were the authors of something so stupid...
well, it wouldn't be the first time they attacked civil structures without further condemnation, so...

 

[mkrnhr]

The terrorization of the German chancellor reminds me of a similar incident with France's Sarkozy. Shortly after France went under NATO's command.

 

[Sebastião II]

well, the man has spoken...
I still don't understand why he stands with Netanyahu... or I don't want to.

This unholy axis of Iranian thugs and Marxist psychopaths is an enemy of Muslims too​

Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are vital barriers to the spread of toxic narratives seizing both the West and the East

JORDAN PETERSON 16 October 2023

Over the last few years, I have engaged in continual dialogue with people across the spectrum of Islam, from Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who left her religious upbringing behind, through to moderates such as Mustafa Akyol and Hamza Yusuf, and even some of the more hardline commentators whose perspectives are popular among Muslim millennials in the UK.
I have done this because I believe that Jews, Christians and Muslims share more in common than what divides them, and because I know that since there is no such thing as a world without religion, we must do what is best with what we have been bequeathed.
I am in serious trouble this week, nonetheless, because I argued that the authorities in Israel should give the terrorists who invaded their land, torturing and killing their citizens, the hell they most truly deserve.

How could I say such a thing, some argued, while simultaneously maintaining my desire for a rapprochement between the peoples of the Abrahamic tradition? Let us begin that discussion by rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s.

Hamas’s motivation – and Biden’s failure

The attack on Israel by the monsters of Hamas occurred not because Muslims and Jews are destined, by religious necessity, to be at each other’s throats, but because Hamas’s biggest supporters in Iran – a country run by thugs, and deemed so even by its own people – had become concerned that the rulers of Saudi Arabia would continue in their laudable attempts to formulate a productive peace with Israel.
Four Arab countries signed the Abraham Accords, a Trump-era initiative that should have garnered that ex-president, for all his manifold faults, a Nobel Peace Prize (at least in a world where the likes of Barack Obama were deemed worthy of such an honor). Behind the current signatories – the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan – stood the Saudis, without whose tacit agreement no such steps would have been taken, and everyone knew it. Joe Biden and the Democrats had, therefore, an historic and unparalleled opportunity to bring the occasionally-troublesome Saudis formally into the fold soon after they took office, building on the Trump administration’s work. Instead, with miraculous short-sightedness, they alienated them almost immediately, choosing – instead of peace – to deny to the previous President of the United States any honor for his revolutionary breakthrough, one deemed utterly impossible by the blinkered fools who ruled the State Department for decades.
Despite being snubbed so insultingly, and their consequent and justified anger (remember their unwillingness to provide the US with additional oil, when Biden asked, and their recent flirtation with China?) the Saudis had been strongly considering the continuation and extension of the Abrahamic peace process. In consequence, the totalitarian mullahs of Iran – working with Hamas – were driven to desperation, knowing full well that such an agreement would undermine and isolate them fatally. This is the same Iran, by the way, that the Democrats, under Biden, have utterly failed to resist and control, continuing a pattern well-established by the aforementioned Nobel Laureate Obama.

All this means, therefore, that the Saudis could have been on side two years ago had Biden seized the opportunity, thereby negating Hamas’s (and Iran’s) primary aim in attacking Israel. Instead, he and his fellow Democrats downplayed the significance of the Trump administration’s cardinal achievement just to score the cheapest (and yet most expensive) of political points.
So here we are again, with Israeli and Palestinian blood once again being unnecessarily spilled.

Social media and fetishisation of bloodshed

One of the most shocking elements of this entire tragedy is how many in the West, particularly on the radical Left, have been championing a cause devoted to naught but violence. As a psychologist, I view this as a phenomenon facilitated by the power, accessibility and irresponsibility of social media, which allows for toxic traits exhibited by a small minority to propagate and proliferate, with none of the usual real-world consequences.
A particular form of psychopathology has been well-detailed in recent decades: a combination of Machiavellianism (instrumental manipulativeness and deceit), narcissism (inflated false self-esteem and desire for unearned attention and status), and psychopathy (a malignant mixture of criminal propensity, callousness and parasitism). These are collectively known as the Dark Triad. More recent investigators of the structure of the darkest of temperamental propensities found it necessary to add an extra dimension to the matrix: sadism – positive delight in the suffering of others. So today we have the Dark Tetrad.
Dark Tetrad types fit well into what is known as Cluster B of personality disorders. Those who manifest Cluster B symptomatology have, in addition to their other psychologically and socially dangerous tendencies, the proclivity to claim positive virtue or outright victim status while pursuing their utterly self-serving, grandiose and destructive ends. They lie, cheat, steal, gossip, reputation-savage, brag, claim credit when none is due, and distribute blame to everyone but themselves – all the while pursuing nothing but their own immediate, immature, hedonistic self-gratification, trumpeting their moral virtue and/or brandishing their identity as oppressed innocents.
It is this narrow, and historically ostracised, behaviour that has been encouraged and facilitated in its distribution by contemporary social media. When such individuals organise – and this happens, from time to time – they threaten the integrity of the entire society within which they operate, hoping to light everything aflame and dance, orgiastically, in the ruins.
This happened after the French Revolution. It happened in Soviet Russia. It happened in Nazi Germany. It’s happening now, in the West, with the rise of the most demented woke causes.
This warped psychological perspective has an appeal to groups larger than just the core individuals, and in various surreal guises. How else are you to explain the staggeringly incomprehensible spectacle of, for example, ‘Queers for Palestine’ – perhaps the most egregious example of the union of the desire by ‘progressives’ to tear down everything in the West that is worthy, even at the cost of formulating an alliance that would in an instant be suicidal if it ever made itself manifest.

An appeal to Muslims

So that is one way social media enables subtle forms of psychological manipulation within the West. But what about from outside?
There are many Muslims willing to believe conspiratorial narratives – also spread on social media – about Jewish people. Many of these narratives, if one looks at their source, are deliberately spread by the brutal Iranian regime.
I might inquire of the Muslims who accept such stories: is Iran your idea of a worthy Islamic state? The very Iran whose citizens, Muslims all, have revolted against their psychopathic masters for more than a year (and dreamed about it for much longer than that)? The very Iran whose hypothetically religious leaders have to oppress their own women?
I would also ask the same Muslims to consider those in the West who have allied themselves with the cause of the Palestinians in the days since the Hamas invasion. Many of those university students and radical professors you see as your allies are Marxists. Remember – the essential and absolute enemy of the communist utopia is the very religious practice you share with your Abrahamic brothers.
Then there’s the increasingly delusional alphabet brigade of the LGBT ‘community’, foolish and blind enough to assume that commonality of hypothetical oppression is enough to unite it, somehow, with the mullahs of Tehran and the gangsters of Hamas. This is useful idiocy on a scale undreamed of by the most extreme of Leninists and Maoists alike.
Tell me this, honestly, those of you desirous of genuinely practicing your faith: do you really think you have anything in common with those who have hypothetically sided with you in the West in the past week? And tell me, again, how that alliance is more suitable to your faith than recognition of your Abrahamic commonality with the Christians and the present-day descendants of the ancient Hebrews?
I would argue that the Saudis, and the other signers of the Abraham Accords, have a stark choice in front of them, as do the distributed and various people of the Islamic world. They can allow the thugs, particularly those in Iran and Palestine, to triumph in their propagandistic efforts to prop up their own dismal, miserable and tyrannical states. They can, in consequence, scuttle the new peace treaty signed with Israel, forgo all the obvious benefits for the Muslim world offered by that agreement, and acquiesce to continued rule by the cruelest of hypocrites, misusing faith in the worst possible of ways.
Or they can consider the universal message in Islam, Judaism, and Christianity alike: do not attribute to yourself the virtue of the divine when acting on your own behalf, let alone when acting in the thrall of the forces of darkness themselves.
I plead with those of you reading this in the Muslim world: remove the blindfold (as we should, equally, in the West) and see what is so starkly manifesting itself in the world: toxic ideologies, whether from Iran or pseudo-Marxists in the West. We must all of us turn away from the terrible tempting path of righteous destruction, continue the work already begun in uniting the people of the book, and thereby bring a productive, generous, wise and lasting peace to this benighted but still not-yet-doomed and even potentially wonderful green-and-blue orb.
We need a transcendental axis to revolve around, to move us beyond a blinkered materialism, to protect us against a foolish populism, and to lift up our eyes to the eternal Heaven, beckoning above us. In the West, we have that – for all the faults of the followers of the creeds, and even, with the creeds themselves as currently understood – in the form of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. We need our Abrahamic faith, lest the hedonistic pagans and worse prevail, and we need to stand, united, behind it. And that is why I am pro-Muslim, but anti the thuggish behaviour we have seen in the past week. And if you are a true follower of Allah, that is the decision that is incumbent upon you, in equal measure.
And that goes as well for Jews and Christians, too.

 

[Andrian]

So no ground operation, but instead a vile, cruel, coward and clear war crime by hitting a hospital full of children. Absolutely indefensible, the MSM will have a hard time spinning this atrocity. But beyond this, Israel is doing everything in its hands to deserve massive retaliation from different angles.

What is the purpose of this hit? No strategic value other than terror for terror itself, it will not deter the Palestinians, on the contrary, and the international outcry will be heard all around the world.

From my point of view one would hit such a target with a specific purpose in mind, in this case to make sure that no peace or stand down talks will take place. Who did this i think was aware that it would pissoff really bad the entire Middle East and the rest of the world by sane people, and knowingly they'll cross this line of no turning back. Why? Sowing chaos worldwide?
Who knows. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

I have a bad feeling about that one, what can happen to an unpopular president under investigation for corruption, under impeachment bref whom political career as hit the bottom and only a miracle or a bigger election fraud could save him.
It most be the flu and fever that work my imagination.

Yeah, I had the same thought I must admit. At that point the hell on Earth could break out.

 

[Michael B-C]

well, the man has spoken...
I still don't understand why he stands with Netanyahu... or I don't want to.

I stopped reading past the first half dozen paragraphs (surpised I made it that far). Outside the parameters of his own expertise, the man is an arrogant moron who understands zero about geopolitics or the actual likely reasons this happened now and by the means that it did.

 

[caballero reyes]

Ant22 said:
It is a commonly accepted standard of online communication that in the absence of an actual tone of voice upper case letters are an equivalent to a shouting. Just like using italics is considered a substitute to an emphasis for example. It may be useful to look into solving the issue if you communicate online often - and not just on this forum. It would help you avoid misunderstandings
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Thanks Ant22 for the recommendation.

 

[Benjamin]

This is a picture of a Qassam rocket which is apparently very similar to a al-Quds 101 rocket apparently used by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. They cost about $800 US each, are incapable of being guided and don't have a huge blast radius. Unless Hamas has something special in their stash of weapons, I find it hard to believe that one of these could destroy the hospital. It didn't look like an $800 dollar explosion. If it did hit, if nothing else, that was one lucky shot! And the idea of Hamas stashing weapons and ammo in the hospital that exploded after being hit with one of these is just too convenient.

 

[Puma]

Protesters in Jordan Just set the Israeli embassy on fire
We are on the brink of WW3

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714378868713501066

Dozens attempt to storm Israeli Embassy in Jordan after hospital blast​

Dozens of people are storming toward the Israeli embassy in Jordan in the wake of the hospital blast in Gaza.

The Foreign Ministry has yet to respond.

Videos on Twitter show an angry crowd surrounding the building and attempting to force their way inside.

Dozens attempt to storm Israeli Embassy in Jordan after hospital blast

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www.timesofisrael.com

NOW - Fireworks shot at Israeli Consulate in Istanbul, Turkey.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714407700237279297

Riots break out in East Jerusalem between Palestinians and Israeli security forces.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714395097406554352

 

[EdgeofDawn]

Why create this fake video;

As shown by Emerald Rob post;



Why a false depiction of an attack on Tel Aviv airport. Well it's a war zone after all and bombs explode every where in Israel. But if it is so dangerous, why send the president of the United State in the middle of a war zone.
I have a bad feeling about that one, what can happen to an unpopular president under investigation for corruption, under impeachment bref whom political career as hit the bottom and only a miracle or a bigger election fraud could save him.
It most be the flu and fever that work my imagination.

That was the first thing that came to mind when I heard Biden was going to Israel. Maybe they are planning to dispose of him over there via assassination, or missile attack or something?

 

[Evan]

That was the first thing that came to mind when I heard Biden was going to Israel. Maybe they are planning to dispose of him over there via assassination, or missile attack or something?

WWIII with Kamala Harris stepping in? Well that would certainly be the neocon wet dream wouldn’t it? Someone get me a bucket. I don’t know whether to vomit, shit in it, or use it as a helmet. Best make sure I get them in the right order though.

 

[Beorn]

well, the man has spoken...
I still don't understand why he stands with Netanyahu... or I don't want to.

Hamas’s motivation – and Biden’s failure​

The attack on Israel by the monsters of Hamas occurred not because Muslims and Jews are destined, by religious necessity, to be at each other’s throats, but because Hamas’s biggest supporters in Iran – a country run by thugs, and deemed so even by its own people – had become concerned that the rulers of Saudi Arabia would continue in their laudable attempts to formulate a productive peace with Israel.

He's fundamentally wrong but that's what happens when you believe the "experts". I do wish he just stuck to what he's good at, motivating individuals to clean their rooms, so to speak.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Who gives a damn what JBP thinks anymore.

I'd say that there are more goals and players here than it is obvious. First, Israelis who just want to kill all Palestinians in Israel (to say it clearly, they want that). Than someone who wants to provoke religious war, which this essentially is not, which will bring destruction of Israel and death of many muslims. Then traditionaly stupid and greedy US military industrial complex. And so on. I'd say that someone is setting up world war, probably because they failed in Ukraine to do it. And it that sense, the bomb which fell on hospital maybe is not really Israeli, but from some "allied" plane (from some allied aicraft carrier . . . )

 

[truepositive]

All the world's a stage..

Things seem to turn a little more towards the 'Sorathic' with the whole vibe of genuine confusion, shifting allegiances and erosion of trust even within the circles of the 'conspirators'. Now we start moving to the point where they may or may not realize 'the joker' never gave a shit about them at all, as he states in the movie 'i just want to watch the world burn'. As always, the backdrop of that is random death and destruction.

Deserves its own topic but i will post this: Satan divided against himself as an alternative to reading a 300 page book about Steiner's vision on the whole thing, for the time being.

To be perfectly clear im not trying to turn a deep human tragedy into a purely philosophical excercise, but this particular perspective on the world is making more and more sense. As always, a fork in the road.