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WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

LiveFreeOrDie said:
There is a lot of hypocricy in this forum.
What you call "hypocrisy" is rational thinking and analyzing the data. Notice that you did not provide any reliable data whatsoever!

Now aht's the point of creating a new poll? If one has a dynamic IP, every time you connect to internet you have a different IP. Right? So you vote as many times as you want - if you are determined. Are there determined people? Listen to the s**t of the cracksmoker that is discussed on this forum, and you see for yourself. But you certainly know it all. You just choose not to think of it.
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

ark said:
LiveFreeOrDie said:
There is a lot of hypocricy in this forum.
What you call "hypocrisy" is rational thinking and analyzing the data. Notice that you did not provide any reliable data whatsoever!
Did WingTV provide any reliable data?
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

LFOD said:
If all it takes to skew a poll is proxies then couldnt the WingTV poll have been skewed by cointelpro agents and "clappers" ? More to the point, why did they not tell us how many people voted and who they voted for? Are we expected to swallow it just because they tell us they are honest patriots? People said my poll was not scientific.. Is the WingTV poll scientific? Where are the numbers? Why would they, by default, keep such an important piece of the puzzle, completely hidden! You guys did a great job of picking my poll to pieces, now where was all of that effort when WingTV did there poll? Why did nobody ask the hard questions when WingTV did it? Am I to believe that you people are completely taken in by anybody who claims to be honest? Or is it just because they are Anti-Alex jones that you feel you can trust them? There is a lot of hypocricy in this forum.
You are being unfairly insulting in your last comment. As it happens, Victor explains his polling method quite clearly in their last couple of shows. In the last one, he even gave the numbers.

But more than that, as I have already said, you really need to get some serious knowledge under your belt - and so do a lot of other people - and FAST. We do NOT have time to waste on mistakes. The fact is, COINTELPRO HAS taken over the 911 truth movement and I've found enough evidence of it, as laid out in my blog posts listed above, for anyone with two firing neurons to figure it out if they will take the time to read them. As is often said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Best to learn first, eliminate as many possibilities for error as possible, and then brainstorm with others who have the same goals to figure out the RIGHT solution, the right approach, and maybe - if the agents can be eliminated and the sincere people can pull together - in the short time remaining, something significant can be done.

But it takes real fortitude to take the bitter medicine of realizing that you have been misled and duped. Been there, done that. I KNOW what I'm talking about here.

So, again, if you are sincerely interested in doing something to restore the Republic and "save the world," so to speak, you will take this little bit of advice I'm offering you here.

As I wrote in one of the above blog posts:

You know the old rule: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Well, let's paraphrase that: "The only thing necessary for the takeover of the 911 Truth Movement by Fascist agents of CoIntelPro is for the members of that movement to NOT expose such agents when and if they spot them, and for the movement as a whole to utilize the most careful hygiene in keeping itself clean of pathological elements."

Take that to the bank.
More:

They infiltrate, find weak individuals to target, begin the process of moral degeneration, etc. That is to say, just because a group operates under the banner of "communism" or "socialism" or "democracy" or "conservatism" or "republicanism", [or 911 Truth] doesn't mean that, in practice, their functions are anything close to the original ideology. As we can see in the present day, the republican party (and the democrats as well, they are just pretending to be different) have been taken over by what amounts to Nazis. These Nazis use the ideology of the political parties to motivate large masses of people who still believe that the rulership of the party is aligned with the original ideology.

The same is being done with alternative news and the 911 truth movement. It is being infiltrated and turned around because it is way too dangerous to the Nazis that have taken over the U.S. political scene under the guise of being republicans or democrats or neo-conservatives, or whatever names they have created to bamboozle the public.
That is why those people decrying the "name calling" in the 911 Truth Movement are either agents themselves or woefully naive and will never survive the nazification/ponerization of the movement. The so-called "commonsense" that they subscribe to is NO DEFENSE against psychological deviants! But such "commonsensical" sayings and motifs will be brought up and flung around with great abandon by agents seeking to put the more critical members of the public back to sleep.

Such claims as these types make, that weeding out the cointelpro factors amounts to "infighting" and "backstabbing" and "petty differences" and so on, amount to nothing more that simplistic and doctrinaire concepts that do not take into account the complexity of human nature and most especially the existence of deviant psychopathologies. In short, it just isn't realistic based on a reasonable observation of how things work in the real world, historically speaking.

So, are they "useful idiots" or conscious agents?

We don't know. What we can know is that taking their simplistic and doctrinaire paramoralisms as truth has been done again and again in the past whenever a popular movement arose to fight totalitarianism, and each time, such movements failed because of the deviant agents working as Fifth Column, Trojan Horses.

Again, take that to the bank.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

Lets just stick to the topic at hand shall we? I'll be back with that poll soon.
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

LiveFreeOrDie said:
Did WingTV provide any reliable data?
Yes, and they are helping to collect more data. But you are not.
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

The first thing you guys said about my poll was that people could have used proxies to sway the results, why does such logic not apply to WingTV ?
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

LiveFreeOrDie said:
Lets just stick to the topic at hand shall we? I'll be back with that poll soon.
Will you be framing the answers a little more "neutral" this time? There's a distinct bias towards negative answers on this poll.

For example, once you round up the "results"( I'm using this term broadly). Lets say you get a result of 37% at each end of the scale.

This is how you present the results...........

37% of those who took a poll regarded oranization XYZ efforts as: "They are destroying this movement with there half truths and whole lies." (Score = 1)

compared to

37% of those who took the poll regarded XYZ efforts as "Excellent" (Score =5)

This smacks of a biased and irrelevant poll.

Do you work for NEWS Corp? They are the most EXCELLENT masters at this sort of caper.
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

LiveFreeOrDie said:
The first thing you guys said about my poll was that people could have used proxies to sway the results, why does such logic not apply to WingTV ?
Why does such logic not apply to you? Please answer. If you assume that some people can have bad intentions, doesn't it apply as well to you. Please, do start thinking. If, with your lack of rational thinking, you are to represent 9/11 movement - there is little hope.
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

LiveFreeOrDie said:
Lets just stick to the topic at hand shall we?
LiveFreeOrDie said:
The first thing you guys said about my poll was that people could have used proxies to sway the results, why does such logic not apply to WingTV ?
The topic at hand was the opinion poll you created. You suggest we stay on topic, and in the next breath try to divert criticisms of your poll to the WingTV poll, which is not part of the thread topic.

Do you understand how obviously biased and anti-WING TV you look? All the while claiming that you want to create an "objective" poll that reflects people's real opinions?
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

This poll is being sent around by Revere Radio psychos and their psycho friends.
See below.

Lisa
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Thu Jun 29 2006, 03:01AM
"Have your say on WingTV in our very own poll.
Spread this poll like wild fire, lets see what this movement really thinks of these guys."

robbrevere Thu Jun 29 2006, 07:16AM

posts: 8
"The results of the poll so far are conclusive. But i'll keep it going for a few more days then send it to Lisa & Victor and ask them to explain the lack of trust the movement has for them.. "
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

I posted it on Robs forums, only became a meber like 3 days ago
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

LiveFreeOrDie said:
I posted it on Robs forums, only became a meber like 3 days ago
First: please answer: who are you? We know who is Lisa. We know her name. You know who I am. But who are you?
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

A person on the internet?
 
WINGTV Opinion poll; Day 3 - on Wingtv

If what WING TV is doing is harming a "movement" comprised of compulsive liars, censors, fearmongers, hypocrites, con-men, scam artists, grifters, crooks, sexual predators, cyberstalkers and cracksmoking gangsta-wannabees, then I say, it is a "movement", a BOWEL movement, that needs to be flushed PRONTO.
And I say this with 100% conviction.

This is just more harassment.
Furthermore, what is your real name? If you have the cajones to engage in this harassment and agenda to "get rid of WING TV", as the Revere psychos have openly stated on Jack blood's forum, then have the nuts to state your real name.

Your name?

Lisa
 
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