Jeff Rense EXPOSED!!

What Rense.com is not talking about

Hehe Laura and EQ at it again, you guys are like parts of me that have wayyy more freetime to investigate every little angle of these shady yet intriguing situations. I thank you and give you maddd props.
 
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Fifth Way said:
(Genesis/Foxtrot/'Supper's Ready') = (Band/Album/'Song')
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LOL! Well, I guess I've dated myself and exposed my ignorance! Thanks!
 
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Dimitris said:
If clinical practice hadn't rendered me immune to this type of vindictive psycho-babble - so often confronted in the early stages of resistance to therapy - I wouldn't bother trying to bring 'some fresh air' in your suffocating discourse (i.e. a change of 'subject') when I saw how you were treating my unfortunate 'forerunner', Durand - and neither would Rense, Alex Jones, Ray Allan or Tom and Carissa, for that matter!
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Hmmm... your "clinical practice" apparently hasn't taught you to recognize the signs and symptoms displayed by such as Durand... Certainly, if you consider him your "forerunner," that suggests quite a bit about you. Perhaps there is no "clinical practice"?

I find it curious that you have include Alex Jones and Ray Allen... does anybody remember them being mentioned in this discussion?

Interesting.
 
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Continuing with the subject of Rense:

Here is a series that began as Whitley Strieber concept to a Jeff Rense movie. It never was developed.

http://www.beyondcommunion.com/video.html

NightWork
Potential Series, not developed.
Preview reel completed 1999

[Text that follows was written at the time of the original concept, and is
no longer current]

A potential new series based on Whitley Strieber's life and travels has been
proposed by Steve Neill. Principle photography for a ten minute preview reel
was completed the last week of January, 1999. "It will cover all aspects of
Whitley's experiences, ranging from the Secret School to his official
studies into the cases he's studied, including the implants. With over one
hundred and fifty thousand letters and numerous classic cases we ought to
get a few seasons out of it, to be sure," says Mr. Neill.

The preview reel will be pitched to the studios to secure funding for
the development of a one hour pilot. "It was written by my wife, Gilly
Neill, and directed by myself," says Mr. Neill. "It will have effects that
could have never been done in the Communion movie days; digital animation
and effects has been my new career these days and the sky is not the limit."

Jack Larson as Whitley Strieber disturbed from his meditation in the woods

Asked if this program would be similar in format to SIGHTINGS, Tim
White's magazine-format investigative television series that Mr. Neill
provided impressive special effects for during it's run, Mr. Neill replied,
"It was created as a dramatic week to week series like the X-Files, based on
the real thing. This project is totally dramatic, no Sightings format at
all."

Jack Larson portrayed Whitley Strieber in the demo reel, with the real
Whitley Strieber serving as host during the show's introduction. The demo
reel included a recreation of Whitley's experience of accompanying the
visitors to a home in the middle of the night (described in Breakthrough) to
witnesses a young girl's interaction with the beings.

NIGHTWORK
demo reel credits

Whitley Strieber ... Host
Jack Larson ... Whitley Strieber
Dr. Roger Leir ... Himself
Billy Scudder ... Richard Hoagland
Jeff Rense ... Radio Host
Christian Port ... Young Whitley
Alexa Rense ... Little Girl
Krista Vernoff ... Young Mother
Melanie Winter ... Anne Strieber
Licia Davidson ... Alien Voice
Whitley Strieber ... Executive Producer
Bob Verne ... Producer
Steve Neill ... Director, Co-Producer
Gillian Neill ... Writer, Assoc. Prod.
Saba Moor ... Casting Dir., Assoc. Prod.
Andrea Matzke ... Line Producer

Barry Conrad ... Director of Photography
Billy Scudder ... Unit Production Mgr
Jesse Ericson-Onuf ... Script Supervisor
Kai Wagner ... Sound
Jeff Perkins ... Asst. Camera
Peggy Portanova ... Make-up
John Shea ... Special FX Make-up
Gene Barsamian ... Production Coordinator, Still Photographer
Randi Besse ... 2nd Unit Prod. Mgr.
Aaron Steffans ... Best Boy, Electric
Mike Hardy ... Key Grip
Tony King ... Grip
Steve Neill ... CGI Effects
Scott Coulter ... CGI Consultant
Jason Martell ... Documentarian, Webmaster
Taryn Scudder ... Kid Wrangler

The development of NightWork came into conflict with another project. In
April 1999, the Sci-Fi Channel announced plans to develop a television movie
called Beyond Communion, the production of which would have conflicted with
the development of NightWork. Therefore, Steve Neill announced in late
November 1999 that NightWork would be reconceived with radio show host Jeff
Rense replacing Whitley Strieber as the series focal point. However, this
never came to pass, and neither NightWork concept was developed.
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Ok, so here we have Steve Neill announcing in Nov of 1999 that Nightwork would be reconceived with Jeff Rense. But here at
http://www.rense.com/ufo3/stevere.htm

we have Steve Neill writing to Rense.com

"After being involved in the most serious UFO research and direct
experiences with ET all my life, the behavior of most of the UFO community
has become such a disgrace, so vile and demented, that I have decided to
withdraw from the field permanently"
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in MAY of 1999.

Notice that it lists an "Alexa Rense" as "little girl" in the flick. That suggests a "real Rense."

Somebody else asking questions about Rense:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/04/1598915_comment.php

by John Hammell
Friday, Aug. 15, 2003 at 9:44 AM
jham@iahf.com 800-333-2553

I do not trust Jeff Rense. He just stabbed me in the back, and I'm wondering
if anyone has any info on who owns the Talk Radio Network which is is under
contract to?

I note that his radio career was initially backed by Paramount
Pictures which is an ABC affiliate. He has some major bucks behind him and
I'd like to know from where?

He is syndicated on over 100 mainstream radio
stations, thats the controlled media, he's on the air 18-20 hours per week-
that takes megabucks- airtime could be around $145. per hour, it must be
astronomically expensive to maintain his website with over 10,000 articles
plus archives of all his shows--- who pays for all THAT?

I was on his show
July 10th, its archived on his site but he's not helping us in the way I
feel anyone would if they were GENUINELY "for the people". If he were, he'd
have no problem pitching support from the front page of his site to the ANH
lawsuit to overturn the EU Food Supplement Directive, but he's not doing
that, he's climbed aboard NNFA's pharmaceutically dominated bandwagon and is
distracting people with a red herring issue, urging everyone to actively
oppose Durbin's bill S.722 even though it has no support and won't even make
it out of committee, but its serving to DISTRACT people from the REAL issue
which is the need for donations to the ANH lawsuit to overturn the EU Food
Supplements Directive which has huge global ramifications- see

http://www.iahf.com/anh_lawsuit.html for info,
see
http://www.alliance-natural-health.org to donate and see info.

Does anyone
know who owns the Talk Radio Network that Rense currently has a contract
with? Can anyone tell me anything more about the guy than from what I can
learn from his bio and from this painful experience? He has totally turned
on me, not something a REAL friend would do.

www.iahf.com


by John Hammell Friday, Aug. 15, 2003 at 12:14 PM

Upon closer inspection I see that Talk Radio Network
http://www.talkradionetwork.com utilizes ABC's satellite facilities.

I also notice that Art Bell got his start on the TRN before his show was sold to
Premier. I have never trusted Art Bell. Now I don't trust Rense either.

A friend, Jackie Patru http://www.sweetliberty.org who has a very small radio
program told me that the dead giveaway is if someone is being broadcast over
mainstream radio stations and Rense is being broadcast on 100 of them, with
18-20 hours a week of airtime. Jackie told me she pays $145. per week for
her airtime and that she struggles to be on the air for just 2 hours per
week. She looked at his site, saw 10,000 article plus all his shows archived
and said "Who's paying for all of that, the expense must be astronomical!!"

I agree. We talked some more and came to the conclusion that the role he
could be playing is as follows: a lot of what he says are true, so he has
gained this huge following, people then uncritically except EVERYTHING he's
said as true, because HE said it, its almost a cult like following, then
once and a while he'll slip in something thats NOT true, but people ACCEPT
it as true, because it came from him.

In MY case he certainly is doing this to mess me up.

He did a show on July 10th with Rob Verkerk from Alliance for
Natural Health and I about the lawsuit which ANH will be filing to overturn
the EU Food Supplement Directive. The global implications of that are HUGE
and they threaten to impact the US. See http://www.iahf.com/anh_lawsuit.html

If he were for REAL, (which I obviously question), he'd have put a hot link
from the front of his site to the ANH website encouraging the public to make
badly needed donations. But he's not doing that. What he's doing instead is
to focus vitamin consumer's attention on what amounts to be a RED HERRING:
Senator Durbin's bill, S.722. While admittedly this IS a bad bill, and it
SHOULD be opposed, the reality is that its NOT moving, (only 3 cosponsors),
and it probably won't even make it out of committee. 96% of all bills are
never passed into law, and this one has some huge opposition and its been
stonewalled.

I have been a professional health freedom lobbyist since '89
and can assess the relative threats posed by different things to consumer
access to supplements. I am tracking Durbin's bill, but at the present time
it does NOT pose the biggest threat, ANH's possibly not getting sufficient
backing DOES pose a MUCH bigger threat.

When I raised this issue by
responding to someone on my email list who emailed me in concern about
Durbin's bill, I emailed back that it was a red herring and I copied the
bill to Rense for informational purposes. He posted it on his site. Some
ignorant voicer complained and was highly critical of what I was saying.
Rense posted their statement, but would not allow me to respond.

I could have provided a detailed, very reasoned response fully explaining my
position, but was NOT ALLOWED TO. That is CENSORSHIP.

When Rense refused to
post my response, he commented to me that my previous email had "offended a
lot of my strongest supporters". Well maybe it DID, but I'm not doing my
health freedom work trying to win a POPULARITY CONTEST, I'm doing it to try
to protect my LIFE and the LIVES of OTHERS who also have serious needs for
the supplements they take, and things are often not as simple as they may
first appear.

I complained about this censorship to Rense and was ignored.
So I let my email distribution list know about it. Several people wrote to
Rense in my defense, including Attorney Ralph Fucetola
http://www.vitaminlawyer.com
Herbalist Gayle Eversole
http://www.leaflady.org
and many others. One supporter in Scotland named
Jane received a response from someone on Rense's staff named Ellen who
attempted to depict ME as a "disinfo specialist and as a deep cover pharma
plant" and tried to say that Jane had been "duped"! I was characterized very
negatively by Ellen in a clear effort to try to harm my reputation.

Anyone with any additional info about the Talk Radio Network, who owns it, and
about Jeff Rense, who I now totally distrust, please email it to me at
jham@iahf.com Thanks.

Update on Rense Situation
by John Hammell Saturday, Aug. 16, 2003 at 11:04 AM
jham@iahf.com

Upon examining Rense's site today I notice that he has removed his New
Headline section about S.722, while simultaneously purging his site of my
controversial post about the bill in which I called it a "red herring." He
did, however, leave other posts which reflect his original supposed concerns
about the bill. He really is a disinfo agent who engages in censorship
whenever and wherever it suits him.

His show would not be aired in all the
mainstream radio markets that its in if he weren't playing their game in a
way that they want, and TRN is closely affiliated with ABC- they utilize
ABC's satellite facilities. I am still trying to learn anything more about
Talk Radio Network if anyone can tell me anything more about who owns it.
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Then, there is this:

http://www.rense.com/aboutnew1.htm

"As an award-winning television News Director and News Anchor for over ten
years, Jeff continually pushed for higher standards of journalism and
responsible, intelligent reporting and inquiry. Regrettably, those goals
were often at odds with the irrevocable tv news obsession for tabloid
exploitation of the trivial, the tragic and the sensational. The situation
became so dubious and distasteful that one day he walked away from his
highly-successful news anchor/news director career (as high as a 53 Share of
the audience - Nielsen) and moved to radio, recognizing it as the last
viable approach to bringing reality to the American public...and now with
the internet, to the world."
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Anybody know what station he worked at? Nothing in any bio I have read about what station he was an award winning news anchor at.

Accordding to the article below, Jeff Rense and Rip Rense are brothers.

Jeff is a single dad and wrote the book "AIDS exposed".

http://talk-radio.20m.com/jeff_rense.html

JEFF RENSE HOSTS SIGHTINGS

Jeff Rense hosts Sightings. Fantastic but factual. You hear lots of amazing
things on the radio nowadays, but what and who can you believe? More than
four million people every month exploring the farther shores of ideas trust
Jeff Rense for reliable information. Jeff is a veteran journalist, not a
showman. Digging out hot stories and interviewing guests ignored by
mainstream media, is his passion. If "the truth is out there," Jeff will
find it. If it is not out there, Jeff will honestly report that too. LISTEN
NOW TO JEFF RENSE HOST SIGHTINGS at BroadcastTalk.com.

Do parents need to know that a single tube of toothpaste contains enough
fluoride, if swallowed at once, to kill a young child? Could terrorist
viruses already be infecting us? Are extra-terrestrials visiting Earth? Are
millions of women being subjected to a life-threatening and unnecessary
medical procedure? What amazing scientific research and secret weapons
development is going on in the world? Each month, Jeff reports on a vast
range of topics and turns a skeptical journalist's magnifying glass on 40 to
50 intriguing guests rarely interviewed elsewhere. And he does it with a
vivid style that zeroes in on key details, painting word pictures that make
The Jeff Rense Show an ear-opening, eye-opening, mind-opening radio show
listeners not only hear but also see, feel, trust, crave, and love. The
program spawned a website reaching more than 4 million visitors per month
which serves as homebase for Jeff's world of intrigue, mystery and
information.

During 12 years as an award-winning broadcast journalist, Jeff anchored and
produced more than 5,000 television newscasts. This devoted single dad is
also author of the book AIDS Exposed and passionately investigates ways to
prevent diseases and extend life. His brother is Rip Rense, longtime
reporter for the Los Angeles Times. Jeff first did radio while an education
major at the University of California Santa Barbara, and in 1994 he returned
to this first love with the talk radio show "End of the Line." In 1997, by
agreement with Henry ("the Fonz") Winkler and Paramount Pictures, this show
transformed into the ratings star "Sightings." Now fully his own, unique
production, The Jeff Rense Show shines even brighter than before.

Jeff is now one of the top four American radio shows tuned in by worldwide
web listeners. Fantastic but factual, fantastic and fascinating, The Jeff
Rense Show lets newstalk and talk stations take their listeners to the
farthest edge of solid knowledge -- without plunging off a cliff into
nonsense or sacrificing station credibility. Your listeners will love this
show that lifts their heads to the stars while keeping their feet reliably
on the ground. "
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Based on the following article he was a former news anchor at KOBI-TV. A search for "Rense" at the KOBI - 5 site came up empty for me though.

http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=1982

...Presiding over this conspiratorial miasma is talk-radio host Jeff
Rense, whose weeknight show, Sightings, is broadcast from a studio
somewhere in Southern Oregon. (Citing threats to his life, Rense
asked WW not to print his exact location.) Five nights a week,
millions of Americans (including an estimated 21,000 Portlanders) in
120 cities tune in to Rense to catch up on the latest news on alien
abduction, Bigfoot, paranormal phenomena--and chemtrails.
A former news anchor at KOBI-TV in Medford, Rense began to hear
reports of chemtrails in 1999. At first, he wondered if the trails
could be the result of some atmospheric anomaly. Then, looking up at
the sky one bright, sunny day, he saw an aircraft flying overhead,
leaving a "thick, white, cotton-candy, sky-writing type plume, which
did not dissipate, but began to drip across the sky in clumps, like a
frozen white rope," he told WW. "Right then and there, I knew
something was going on."

Since then, Rense has logged thousands of calls and emails on the
topic. Together with Will Thomas, an environmental reporter from
Canada, and Cliff Carnicom, a computer consultant based in Santa Fe,
N.M., Rense has become a clearinghouse for the constantly mutating
chaos of the chemtrail movement...
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There is downloadable video footage of "Nightwork" at Steve Niell's site -

http://sneill.com/nightwork/main.htm

Also, there are some "Nightwork in the Making" pages that I checked out in trying to find an image of Rense. The first page is mainly of some alien images; second page - Alexa Rense, Whitley Streiber on the set, and Dr. Roger Leir getting ready to remove an implant in Streibers ear; third page - the implant removal operation.

Links:

http://sneill.com/nightwork/page1.htm
http://sneill.com/nightwork/page2.htm
http://sneill.com/nightwork/page3.htm


Also, Steve Neill has quite a resume. He's done alot of extensive film and puppet creation work - including work for NBC, Discovery Channel, etc. (See: http://www.sneill.com/resume/ and http://sneill.com/map/ )

From the abouta.html page at rense.com:

"Rense graduated from UCSB in 1970 with a bachelor's degree in history
and got a secondary teaching credential for social science two years
later."
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That means he was about 17 or 18 in 1966 (assuming he finished high school at that age) which means he was probably born around 1948 or thereabouts, if the story is true. So today he's about 56, 57,or 58 years old. His brother Rip, in photos I've found on Google, shows an aged man with gray hair too.

The page also says:

"...By the late 1980s, Rense had worked for a handful of network
affiliates in the West. He said his ratings were high, and he got
'lucrative offers' from several Oregon stations. But he had also become
disillusioned with TV news and decided to quit the business...."

"...After walking away from his TV career path, Rense returned to Santa
Barbara and opened three pet stores..."

"...By the early 1990s, he had sold his All About Pets outlets and in
1994 approached KTMS with his idea for a talk-radio show, or at least his
version of one..."
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So if he worked at KOBI then he had already left by the late 1980's.


About Rip, I found an interesting comment he made, from this site (with a photo), about "the man behind the curtain" and Machiavelli that got my attention pretty quick:

http://www.npr.org/programs/lnfsound/stories/001020.rense.html

When Rip Rense found the sound of the Persuasions, he wanted to make sure
it didn't get lost again. He knows the group's sound as intimately as
anyone. And as a producer of The Persuasions' most recent three albums,
he has helped them to find new aspects of that sound. When The Kitchen
Sisters, Nikki Silva and Davia Nelson, dropped in on The Persuasions'
last recording session for Might as Well..., they met up with executive
producer Rip Rense. He talked about the idea for an album of Grateful
Dead music by The Persuasions, and how that idea came to fruition.

"I'm the man behind the curtain. I'm Cromwell. And sometimes Machiavelli.
About three or four years ago I took a great interest in The Persuasions.
I had been a fan for a long time. I kind of plotted their return to main-
stream limelight -- as opposed to cult status -- with a series of albums.
The first one was the children's album, On The Good Ship Lollipop, which
won for Amazon.com album of the year.

"But, having heard them sing 'The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing' by Frank
Zappa, I had in mind a Frank Zappa tribute album. I had known the late
Mr. Zappa for quite a long time and wanted to do two nice things at once.
I wanted to do something nice in Frank's memory and at the same time do
something nice for the Persuasions and give them the kind of forum to get
the recognition that they deserved. Well, Frank had a philosophy, a
method of working which was fill in the blank. You file away a whole lot
of disparate stuff that doesn't seem to have any purpose or relationship -
- acquaintances, information -- until the blank is revealed. So in this
case, the blank was the album and I filled it with Frank Zappa music and
The Persuasions. Jerry [Lawson] was very keen to do Frank Zappa music. It
was a great challenge to him and he worked, they all worked, harder on
the project than they had ever worked on any other project.

"Well, along the way, I also thought, 'Gee, wouldn't it be great if they
could do a Grateful Dead record?' Because I knew what they could do with
those songs... I thought, 'Geez, maybe I should call up [David] Gans.
Maybe he knows some record labels in the Bay Area that might want to do
this.' So I did. He actually suggested a couple, but in the conversation
he said that he was putting together this album called Stolen Roses, this
compilation album of Grateful Dead tunes by various artists. He invited
the Persuasions to record a track or two for that compilation. They
recorded 'Black Muddy River.' Which is quite wonderful. David said on the
strength of that he might be able to pitch Grateful Dead records on a
full album idea. And that's what happened.

"In e-mailing back and forth with David, the idea came up to consult
Robert Hunter, who wrote the lyrics (and in some cases, melodies) for
eighty percent of the original Grateful Dead songs. Hunter e-mailed us
about fifteen or sixteen song suggestions and then David and I put
together an additional fifteen or so and we sent a tape of all the songs
to Mr. Lawson who, as I understand it, listened to them while flying
across country and at first blush just picked the ones for the record.
The interesting thing is that, as it turns out, about three quarters of
them were also Robert Hunter recommendations. Which is very nice. Kind of
a happy accident."
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At this page:

http://www.rense.com/abouta.html

It says:

"The content of the television news business became less than I thought
it should be. It was entertainment, it was exploitation of tragedy. It
was not journalism," he said bluntly, almost wistfully. "And what's even
worse is the general quality of people in the business continued to
decline at an alarming rate over the years that I was in it. They were in
it essentially for ego."

Rense, a single father of one daughter, grew up in Southern California.
His late father was the McDonnell Douglas Public Relations Director

[My note: His name was Arthur Rense, died in 1990

http://www.salon.com/june97/media/media970610.html ]

and his stepmother, Paige Rense, is the longtime editor-in-chief of
Architectural Digest magazine. After walking away from his TV career
path, Rense returned to Santa Barbara and opened three pet stores --

"I found the general quality of the pet business was not good" -- and
continued to study up on a variety of startling stories, among them the
dubious fate of Royal Raymond Rife, the late doctor said to have made
cancer-fighting breakthroughs in the 1930s, but got quashed by the
medical establishment. Rense's mellow voice became more aghast on the
subject of Rife.

"It's a front-page story, it's a major motion picture. It's the biggest
scandal in the history of American medicine and it is essentially the
story of the slaughter of tens of millions of Americans."

To Rense this is not hyperbole, just an example of the kind of
information that never could have made the evening news -- even when he
was in charge of the newsroom.

By the early 1990s, he had sold his All About Pets outlets and in 1994
approached KTMS with his idea for a talk-radio show, or at least his
version of one. "
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According to rense.com:

http://www.rense.com/1.mail/infocenter.html

We have NO affiliation with the "Sightings" TV show
Please don't write asking us about the TV Show. We don't know anything.

From:
http://talk-radio.20m.com/jeff_rense.html

In 1997, by agreement with Henry ("the Fonz") Winkler and Paramount
Pictures, this show transformed into the ratings star "Sightings." Now fully
his own, unique production, The Jeff Rense Show shines even brighter than
before.

From:
http://archive.alienzoo.com/roswell/ufosbtnumbers.html

Luckily, Hollywood producers Henry Winkler and Paul Davids, who have had
their own UFO experiences, demonstrate pure passion for telling a story . a
passion you can see on the screen. Winkler.s .Sightings. (now in re-runs on
the Sci-Fi Channel) became the first well-produced, well-investigated UFO TV
show. The show.s investigators were, to a certain degree, well-funded,
thanks to advertisers. Eventually, however, Sightings. ran out of new
material.
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From:

http://www.scifi.com/transcripts/hwinkler.txt

"Winkler: because of the success of SIGHTINGS, we now have two books
through Simon & Schuster,

Winkler: 3 home videos through Paramount and Blockbuster

Winkler: and we will try to launch a radio show, one a week/3 hours,"
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There was no date on this transcript but by reading the text I found that Winkler was going to see the premiere of Ron Howard's movie "Ransom" the next evening. Ransom came out in 1996. So this chat was done sometime in
1996.

And now this from:
http://web.archive.org/web/19971021103624/www.sightings.com/about/about.html

A Professional Broadcast Journalist

As an award-winning broadcast journalist, Mr. Rense has anchored and
produced well over 5,000 live 30-and 60-minute television newscasts. With
that background, and his instinct for truly significant issues, Jeff became
concerned about the growing, enigmatic, and highly controversial body of
information about UFOs, ETs, Secret Weapons, and pivotal Political Intrigues
which were essentially shut out of the mainstream media and were not being
reported, revealed, or offered to the general American public. In an effort
to correct that deficiency and bring these issues into the light, he began
his End of the Line radio show which is now in its fourth highly successful
year. Recently, the End of the Line was acquired by the Premiere Radio
Networks, one of the top two radio syndicators in the U.S., and renamed
Sightings On The Radio through an agreement with Paramount.

As a journalist and private citizen, he became aware of the misinformation
and propaganda surrounding the worldwide AIDS epidemic. Devoting three years
of his life to researching, collecting, and compiling information, Mr. Rense
authored the underground best-seller, AIDS Exposed, published in 1996. This
420-page book has been acclaimed as 'overwhelming,' 'invaluable' and 'the
supreme public service' by broadcasters, medical professionals, and
educators alike.

Appearing on scores of radio and TV talk shows as an author, Mr. Rense has
also been invited to lecture at such institutions as the University of
California and USC. He has also written numerous articles, papers, and
reports on a wide range of subjects and acts as a consultant on many
different issues.
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So it seems to me that Rense radio show "End of the Line" was renamed "Sightings on the Radio" with Paramount's backing.

Now, I have done a lot of searching for articles and papers and transcripts of Rense's work but have come up with nothing so far. The only thing I have found is about his book "AIDS Exposed", which does not seem to be available any more.

http://web.archive.org/web/19971021104222/www.sightings.com/aids/aids_exp.htm

Well, the more we dig up, the more it seems to me that Jeff Rense is a "created persona". Reminds me that Vinnie had quite a bio with quite a list of credits, all of which were lies. His main claim to fame was that he was a "psychotherapist" with "years of clinical experience." It turned out that he had been a PATIENT!!!
 
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Ark said:
It is good to keep in mind what the great physicist John Archibald Wheeler (Princeton University) was repeating again and again (but Wheeler was providing data to support his statement): "No phenomenon is a phenomenon unless it is an observed phenomenon". Therefore, let us observe the phenomenon, let us note the attempts to dilute the discussion here. Knowledge Protects Ignorance Endangers - and here we can apply this general principle!
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Yes, we have been provided with lab work for our course on Ponerology - free of charge even! We learn the concepts from Mr. Lobaczewski's book and apply them here, observing Dimitris' posts as the experiments in manipulation they are, to prove the points - fascinating, truly fascinating.
 
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Laura said:
Well, the more we dig up, the more it seems to me that Jeff Rense is a "created persona". Reminds me that Vinnie had quite a bio with quite a list of credits, all of which were lies. His main claim to fame was that he was a "psychotherapist" with "years of clinical experience." It turned out that he had been a PATIENT!!!
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A certain Jeffry Rense played a reporter in the movie "Jinxed!" from 1982, starting Bette Midler
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084173/fullcredits

Should that be our Jeff one could get a look at him in the movie:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630440641X/103-2406291-8107830?v=glance&n=404272
 
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Fifth Way said:
A certain Jeffry Rense played a reporter in the movie "Jinxed!" from 1982, starting Bette Midler
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084173/fullcredits

Should that be our Jeff one could get a look at him in the movie:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630440 ... p;n=404272
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That's the movie I mentioned above that one of the QFG researchers got and discovered that the short exposure that Jeff had, did not show his face.
 
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Laura said:
http://www.cornerstone-unlimited.com/opinion.htm

seems to have been scrubbed entirely.

But I did save what was on that page in my notes:

The D'Artagnan Agreement

What is our purpose and the reason for our cliche' "All for one and one for all"

This quote is from Alexander Dumas' famous, The Three Musketeers who actually were three men with an extraordinary Purpose.

The purpose was a unity of cause - electrifying interaction That caused them to be the envy of the crown's Musketeers. Yet, their daring became legendary when the fourth Man, known as D'Artagnan, challenged all of them, thereby saying, I can best all of you or at least I have the courage to try.

This bravery, courage and integrity brought out the best in all of them.

And so the legend will ever live as an inspiration to accomplish the best for everyone concerned and for all those with whom they came in contact.

And so it shall be for us,
"All for one and one for all".
All those in agreement draw your sword,
{The Word of God} and sign your name
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I looked up the link in the webarchive and found the page in full. The link is http://web.archive.org/web/20040602215808/http://cornerstone-unlimited.com/opinion.htm

I was going to paste it here, but then saw that is says copyright at the end.Since I am unaware of copyright laws on the net I have decided just to post the link.

Having gone through your post Laura and the links, then it looks to me as you were saying, that he is a fictitious character. Reading about James Neff, one certainly get a strong christian rightious feeling about this guy. How James Neff and Rip Rense ties together with 'Jeff Rense' is yet to be seen. The photographs in your previous post show a strong similarity. I guess, it is just a matter of digging :)

Maybe the Dimitris episode was just a decoy in order to scrub some of the links, which now turn up empty.
 
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Rick Siegel said:
When CoIntelPro Champions Become Patriotic Crime Fighters
Posted by: ricksiegel on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 01:30 PM


Have any CoIntelPro agents asked you this question lately?
"If all of the truth seekers are liars, then who can we trust?"

What's the best way to neutralize all the 9/11 activists?
Devote significant CoIntelPro resources to marginalizing anyone and everyone who goes public trying to expose September 11, 2001 crimes designed to terrorize the world, destroy the US Constitution, start endless wars against invisible enemies, raise the price of gas and bankrupt America...roughly in that order.


The recent iamthewitness.com sight is CoIntelPro at it's deceivingly evil best. Daryl Bradford Smith tells us he's an American chef who used to be a professor and decided to move to France and eat freedom fries. Any relation to Agent Smith of Above Top Secret who brought us "A 757 Really Did Hit the Pentagon"?

Daryl does his best to spin the facts, distort the truth, slander anyone who is brave enough to go public and generally turn the 9/11 movement against itself. This is the stock and trade of disinformation artists on the job to cover-up the steady stream of crimes being committed against humanity in the name of greed and power.
Smith's site appears to want to place the blame on Zionists and Israel, while others like Michael Moore focus attention on the Saudis as responsible for 9/11. This would suggest that while intelligence agencies in both countries may be involved in 9/11, neither are the true masterminds, but are instead being used to take the heat and divert suspicion from the elite who do not reside in either Saudi Arabia or Israel.

Agent Daryl Smith appears to be using a strategy of championing one 9/11 activist who has already been marginalized by relentless attacks, Eric Hufschmid. By focusing attention on Painful Deceptions to the exclusion of all other DVDs currently in circulation, Smith aims to marginalize the entire movement. Since Hufschmid has already been tagged with the Holocaust denier label, he will never pose a significant threat. For all its merits, Painful Deceptions has not been able to penetrate the mainstream during several years in circulation so it's a safe harbor to direct people to. Hufschmid is also fond of JFK and Moon Hoax conspiracy theories, which while they may be correct, make him an easy target to shoot down should he ever start to gain serious pubic attention. So Eric is a safe ally and perhaps enjoys some support for a change.

All other 9/11 activists and DVDs that pose a growing threat to the evil doer's CoIntelPro are targeted as part of the "crime network." This sort of Cointelpro is used by the crime network operatives to point the finger at everyone else. Case in point is the recent media exposure of Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones. Daryl is on the job and starts off with his best one liner to create doubt.

<font size=4>Charlie Sheen and CNN expose 9-11, but was it sincere? Or more deception?

"Charlie Sheen and his father are probably working with the criminal network. Or course, Charlie is probably one of their Useful Idiots who follows orders, rather than a manager who makes decisions."

"Webster Tarpley and Mike Berger were selected as 9-11 experts because they are also part of this network of criminals."

"You should also notice that these criminals are also pushing the videos Loose Change, In Plane Site, and 911 Eyewitness, and ignoring Painful Deceptions. Coincidence? The evidence suggests that this is a big crime network, and they are promoting each other. "

Next Agent Smith moves on to Alex Jones, who is critical of unbiased newsman Rupert Murdoch's MySpace.com. Smith is promoting MySpace as the best place to discuss the truth about 9/11. If FOX News is any indication, Jones may be right on the money. Smith launches his best accusation:

Alex Jones is censoring information Alex Jones frightens people with stories of a New World Order tracking and tracing us, taking away our rights, and censoring our information. He discourages the use of MySpace on the grounds that Rupert Murdoch is part of some diabolical plan to enslave us.

Then it's Rick Siegel's turn and let's include everyone involved in 9/11 Truth for good measure.
Investigate the Truth Seekers

If 9/11 is ever exposed, we must investigate all of the 9/11 Truth Seekers. Almost all of them seem to be working for the criminal network.

Another example is Rick Siegel, who recently produced a DVD called 911 Eyewitness. www.911eyewitness.com/<

The primary message of this video is that some military helicopters were flying around the World Trade Center towers prior to their collapse, and that one of them may have triggered the collapse of the buildings. He wants us to believe that the US Military is solely responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center.

(Ooops, we forgot to include an evidence clip of the "primary message" in the 42 available on our site.)

Rick Siegel is another "truth seeker" who is trying to divert people from the role Israel and Zionism played in 9/11.

Why Shoot the Messenger? Since Rick Siegel is a genuine 9/11 eyewitness who could appear in court to provide testimony and authenticate his video tape evidence, Smith feels a malicious personal slander attack is necessary and includes this unfounded allegation.

Since Rick and his video just focused on the towers falling and refrained from speculation about who was directly responsible or the many other aspects of 9/11, this technique serves to tarnish his image in advance of any possible court appearance. It also helps to ensure that he won't get any financial support through the sale of his DVD or chances to tell his story in the mainstream media.

Agent Smith tips his hand with this inaccurate description of 911Eyewitness and cameraman Rick Siegel. Anyone who has seen 911Eyewitness understands that the documentary represents a 9/11 Zapruder film.

Since helicopter flashes were recorded from the reverse angle not visible to authorized network camera positions, this is a matter of historical record that should not be ignored. The documentary does not speculate, but merely seeks to promote debate by asking what they are and why they occurred just seconds before the first steel frame structure in history collapsed from black smoke fires in less than one hour.

Agent Smith seeks to marginalize this video by saying this short segment is the "primary message". This is necessary to divert attention from the audio waveform analysis indicating bombs before both towers fell and seven laws of science that prove controlled demolition, which represent the main features of the documentary.

Agent Smith has deceived himself into thinking that he is on a roll now so why stop there. Next he targets anyone involved with 911 Truth and Gerard Holmgren.

When we find a criminal within a crime network, we can identify lots more criminals by looking at the people he associates with. For example, at Rick Siegel's web site, he has only two links as of February 2006. One link is to 911truth.org, and the other is to Gerard Holmgren. Notice the praise he gives these two:

" 911truth.org : A campaign to expose the truth

The nationwide umbrella organization for local 911 truth efforts. Activist resources, media and respectable research links. Upcoming actions, campaigns, strategies. & more. This is a key site for those wanting to plug in and do something.

Gerard Holmgren 911 Research
Top Researcher for 911 - A great writer.

www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=Web_Links&req=viewlink&cid=1
Agent Smith wants you to think that his revelations are just what you've been waiting for. He adds:


<b.Be happy the criminals are exposing themselves

If you have looked at some of our articles, you should realize that we suspect Gerard Holmgren and the people at 911truth.org to be members of the criminal network.

Some people get upset when we tell them that Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, 911truth.org, Webster Tarpley, Gerard Holmgren, Phil Berg, Wayne Madsen, Kirt Nimmo, and dozens of other people appear to be part of the criminal network. We hear such such comments as, "If all of the truth seekers are liars, then who can we trust?"

Why Agent Daryl Bradford Smith of course. (no picture available) He is here to save the day!

However, you should be excited that these criminals are exposing themselves. These criminals have made a big mistake. We now know who many of them are. We have names, and in many cases photographs, addresses, and phone numbers. We should be happy that they made such stupid mistakes.


So the stupid mistakes are basically going public with evidence of 9/11 crimes and trying to network with others to bring about public awareness. Well it's a good thing readers won't make those same mistakes thanks to Agent Smith. You should be excited that Gerard Holmgren exposed himself. Furthermore, all of the 9/11 "Truth Seekers" who support Holmgren are giving themselves away as being naive, blackmailed, bribed, or as members of the criminal network. We should collect their names, and investigate all of them.
We at 911Eyewitness suspect that is precisely what the CoIntelPro folks are doing. But it appears that now they are asking for help from the public to gain recruits through this carefully crafted deception, The French Connection, and it's front man Agent Daryl Bradford Smith.


Strangely though, Smith's words of warning sound oddly familiar. Jim Hoffman of 911research follows the same style of marginalizing truth activists and their DVDs while obfuscating the most visible crimes that could be easily understood by the public.

Hoffman's disinformation tactics can be clearly seen in two areas. He promotes the official story that the seismic data from Lamont Doherty is just rubble hitting the ground and discounts the visible spikes shown in official data that has not been compressed by logarithmic scales. He claims to be a scientist but ignores the magnitude of the spikes, which can only be explained by underground explosions.

The second area of disinfo that Hoffman specializes in is the Pentagon Strike. He'll talk endlessly about wreckage or eyewitness accounts, which were probably CoIntelPro arranged in advance, but avoids discussing the simple fact that nearby Edwards Air Force Base did not scramble any fighters and the ground based missile defense systems at the White House and Pentagon were not activated when the "aircraft" violated their secure airspace. The simple fact thatthe Pentagon allowed itself to be hit by anything is the key issue, especially given that the towers were hit an hour earlier.

Sign of the Times website has outed Hoffman here: http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/hoffman_rebuttal.htm

Indeed, the fact that many of the eyewitness reports in question suggest that something akin to a missile struck the Pentagon on 9/11, and that Mr. Hoffman studiously ignores them, suggests that he should be counted among the conscious agents of CoIntelPro. "

The Pentagon No-757-Crash Theory: Booby Trap for 9/11 Skeptics Jim Hoffman - November 15, 2004 The idea that no 757 crashed at the Pentagon is easily the most controversial and divisive issue among researchers of the 9/11/01 attacks. Effectively promoted since early 2002, this idea has enjoyed an increasing acceptance in the 9/11 Truth Movement, despite its blatant incompatibility with the extensive body of eyewitness evidence that a 757-like twin-engine jetliner flew into the Pentagon and exploded.

Hoffman was outed as a disinformation specialist a long time ago by Gerard Holmgren. Perhaps Daryl Smith is just doing Jim Hoffman a favor by attacking Holmgren or Hoffman has just created a new alias living in France.

Hoffman has done a superhuman job, if he is not just an agency team front-man, managing large websites, 911review and 911research. This is the Honey Pot strategy. IP numbers of visitors can be monitored and cross-referenced just like covert agency boards aka Above Top Secret do. This is the most effective way to control information and monitor its effects on the public. All the breaking 9/11 research falls into their laps and allows them to quickly design some propaganda to counter it. If you know where the public awareness fires are starting, then you can quickly put them out with CoIntelPro.

Hoffman proudly features a section called,

"HOAX-MONGERING VIDEOS" with these descriptions:

In Plane Site - a film pretending to expose 9/11 that is mostly disinformation (mixed with plagiarism)

Loose Change - a video that pushed most of the same hoaxes as In Plane Site, but in a different style.

He also recently published an article bashing the Scholars for 9/11 Truth.ScholarsFor911Truth.org: Muddling the Evidence http://www.911research.wtc7.net/essays/st911/index.html

This attack was perhaps necessary because this group is gaining momentum and pubic profile. Among the list of recommended sites, Hoffman again tries to marginalize the key players.

911 Eyewitness promotes its $20 DVD and provides teasers, but lacks substantial evidence.

So self-proclaimed expert Jim Hoffman casually dismisses the Zapruder film of 9/11 with no comment on it's one hour of scientific analysis, his specialty, as lacking in evidence. Nothing worthwhile listening to or looking at here folks.

Pay no attention to the "teasers" otherwise known as evidence clips that can be emailed from the website to create public awareness. Note: Hoffman only charges $18 for his DVD.

Another Cointelpro champion is Fintan Dune. He employs the same If all of the truth seekers are liars, then who can we trust?" approach.

The CIA Fakes presented by BreakForNews.com PsyOpNews.com and Wagnews.Blogspot.com

By Fintan Dunne

For the last three years we have been quietly investigating the cover-up of the 9/11 attacks. Ours has been a wide-ranging inquiry which paid special attention to those who claim to be already exposing the truth.

During this time we have interviewed many people with alternative views on who were the real perpetrators. All the while, we kept our own counsel. Much of the time we played it as if we were uncritically buying the lines being put out on various alternative media.

We have examined a great deal of evidence and methodically traced the methods and networks used to mislead us all. Now we present the first of our findings.<

This intro is followed by a list that basically includes everyone involved in 9/11 who has gone public with a website, radio show or DVD.

Fintan uses the clever 180 degree technique for those who finally think that they've got 9/11 figured out. After careful navigation of the evidence provided by various 9/11 research websites and DVDs, a trap is laid to turn you around in the opposite direction. Thank goodness we read Fintan's analysis of why we should disbelieve all the other researchers and websites and accept him as our savior.

If we scroll down the impressive list of articles created by the "team" at BreakForNews, we find this telling story at the very end. Let's call it the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Greenhouse Gasses Halt 'Global Ice Age' Threat by Fintan Dunne

The Earth's climate is our responsibility. So buy a gas-guzzling SUV, burn plenty of fossil fuels, and keeping asking yourself: are you doing enough to keep global cooling at bay?

Surprised? Greenhouse gasses may be seen as an enemy now, but, without their presence we might already be well on the way to another mini-ice age.

So remember all you responsible folks, Uncle Fintan says the best way to help the Earth is to buy a gas-guzzling SUV and burn plenty of fossil fuels (at $5 per gallon). Pay no attention to alternate fuels, conservation, receding glaciers, warming oceans or scientific studies.

Now who would want to sponsor a website promoting that idea? Perhaps the folks who have helped triple the price of crude oil with the Iraq war and are now profiting from oil and weapons? This last story puts the entire disinfo crowd into perspective. They may start out marginalizing 9/11 truth activists and slamming their DVDs, but in the end they can't resist putting in a plug for their sponsors. As we say at 911Eyewitness...

Believe your own eyes and ears
Develop your own opinion
Reach your own conclusion
Act upon your conscience
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Thanks, Dimitris, for this interesting article. For the record, the link is:
http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=36
 
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Cheers!

Just received your excellent '911:The Ultimate Truth' and thought I'd give you a little token of my gratitude in return.

At least, now you know that I'm a real person...
 
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Yes, you are a real person. I think Jeff Rense is a real person too, I just don't think that the "image" of Jeff Rense that has been created and propagandized is the real Jeff Rense. Now, I DO know some things that I can't reveal at all without implicating the source, so it's kind of like Thierry Meyssan and the Pentagon. He was shown proof positive of what hit the Pentagon, but told that he could not use that proof, that he had to make his case without it. I have proof positive of the agenda of Rense, but I can't publish it.

Nevertheless, with what is publicly available, in the words of other people, I will do all I can to make that "inner truth" known. So, in that spirit, here's another item from my collection:

http://silentjay.com.co.nr/2003_08_24_silentjay_archive.html

Well, you all know my love of conspiracy theories and ufology, so it shouldn't be a surprise that a news site about said topics would interest me greatly. So, over the past few weeks I've been sifting through stuff on Rense.com, and I'm troubled by what I've found. Amongst all the great paranoia in there, is a seed of anti-semitism. Well, it's called anti-Zionism there, but it feels like anti-semitism. So, with that in mind, I googled "Jeff Rense" and hate, and I found a hit almost right away on the Simon Wiesenthal Centre's website, so I thought "Aha, he is a known hate-monger, my suspicions were correct."

Which, it turned out, was wrong. Rense's site was listed under 'anti-government', and not anti-semitism. So, I googled some more. What I found was interesting, about 95% of the hits on Rense (who is Jeff Rense, btw) were glowingly positive, and the 5% that were negative were from loonies (well, two loonies in particular). So, I'm still uncomfortable. The UFO stuff is especially great, and I've learned stuff I never knew. The conspiracy stuff has gotten so run-of-the-mill lately, that there's nothing new there, but again, the UFO stuff is great. Unfortunately, there's all that 'anti-Zionist' stuff, and a link to Ernst Zundel's site.

Rense claims not to be anti-semitic and not to be a Holocaust denyer, but there's those links and articles. Of course, Rense claims to be linking to Zundel's site because regardless of what Zundel's belief's are, he's entitled to free speech. While I'm one of the first people to belt out the old Walt Whitman quote about defending free speech, I will admit that I honestly think some people don't deserve it - like Zundel. I guess that's something I have to deal with.
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Now, notice something here: WE have been listed as an anti-semitic or "hate" site on a number of Zionist propagandizing sites even if we make it clear that we are not anti-Jew or anti-Semitic by any stretch of the imagination.

I do think that the Simon Wiesenthal Center is part of the Zionist promotion machine. And that is the point. Why does the Simon Wiesenthal center NOT list Rense as an "anti-semitic" site????

Any creature in the wild that does not pay attention to the rustle of the grass or the scent of the predator or that mistakes the growling of the lion for a burbling brook becomes lunch... And so it is among humans, though the predators all look like us. I pay very close attention to small and subtle things because they can be indicators of the locators of non-linear eruptions.
 
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Thanks Dimitris. An interesting article indeed.

While looking at the pentagon strike material I found the following from Rense. It is curious how "Rense" puts a disclaimer before the article with the note that it most likely is disinfo.
The link is http://www.rense.com/general20/hunt.htm
'Hunt The Boeing' Site Claims
No Plane Hit Pentagon

3-7-2

Note - This is being posted for informational purposes ONLY. There is a major online flap over a French site's presentation which contends Flt 77 never hit the Pentagon...that some other type of explosive device was involved. This appears to be deliberate disinformation to discredit critics of the official version of the 911 terror attacks. Here is a current overview of the controversy... -ed


From American Patriot Friends Network
APFN@apfn.org
3-8-2

Sludge Report #127 - The Hunt For Flight 77
By C.D. Sludge
3-6-2

In This Edition: The Hunt For Flight 77 - A Truly Remarkable French Website - Disinformation Warning! - Not Everyone Is Convinced - Eyewitness Reports Of The Crash.

NOTE: Authors of this report will be anonymous and wide ranging, and occasionally finely balanced. Indeed you are invited to contribute: The format is as a reporters notebook. It will be published as and when material is available.

C.D. Sludge can be contacted at sludge@scoop.co.nz.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0203/S00030.htm



The Hunt For Flight 77

"Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour* only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?"

A Truly Remarkable French Website

The hottest topic of discussion on alternative media websites today is the sudden arrival of a left-field story into the crowded "What Really Happened On 911" arena.

A group of photographers in France are challenging the public to look through photos of the Pentagon (of which they have an archive) to find any evidence that Flight 77 really did crash into the building.

They have built a snappily-designed English Language introduction to their website which can be found here: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

"Hunt The Boeing! And Test Your Perceptions!"

As everyone knows, on 11 September, less than an hour after the attack on the World Trade Centre, an airplane collided with the Pentagon. The Associated Press first reported that a booby-trapped truck had caused the explosion. The Pentagon quickly denied this. The official US government version of events still holds. Here's a little game for you: Take a look at these photographs and try to find evidence to corroborate the official version. It's up to you to Hunt the Boeing!

Central to the Asile.org crew,s novel new thesis on the events of September 11th is the idea that a 757 crashing at 480 miles per hour should have done lots more damage than it did.

The French Website introduction (translated by Google) reads:

Thursday February 21, utopian Asylum met large turbulences. To answer the exponential increase in its readers has (more than 15 000 for the only day of Wednesday), the site had to be transferred on a new waiter. At 21 hours, it was again completely accessible.

Today, we reconsider the attack against the Pentagon with exhibits: a photographic library of 50 images available into low, average and high definition.

September 11 in the morning, whereas televisions of the whole world diffused images of planes being crushed on the lathes of World Trade Center, an attack took place with the seat of the Defence Department of the United States. According to the official version of the government, a Boeing 757-200 would have been crushed on the Pentagon. The journalists having been held with the variation in order to "not obstruct the helps", the majority of the images comes from military sources.

The consultation of these photographs, available on waiters Internet of the army of the United States, however results in expressing serious doubts on the official version. It seems indeed completely impossible that such a plane could cause damage also little.

We let to you judge on part. Here, gathered on the same site, the photographs of the attack against the Pentagon. You can consult them in several formats and download them in high definition. The initial legend, the name of the photographer and his service and the Web page where the image was published are systematically indicated.

The diversion of a plane makes it possible to justify the thesis of the external enemy. But if the cause of the explosion is not a plane fallen from the sky, there probably existed of internal complicities. The enemy of the American democracy could be interior well. "

- Raphael Meyssan

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DISINFORMATION WARNING! - NOT EVERYONE IS CONVINCED

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0203/ccb482f596328c1f14ff.jpeg

Image of Wreckage on Pentagon Lawn - Albeit Not Particularly Convincing

There is considerable skepticism about this report, not the least in light of the fact that it has emerged at the exactly the same time that Le Monde has published an expose into Israeli Intelligence (See Links And Transcripts: Israeli Spyring Shocker)and its far-fetchedness might therefore be an attempt to pre-emptively undermine the growing case that 911 requires further investigation, through misdirection down a blind alley.

Whatreallyhappened.com, which specialises in alternative news concerning 911, is presently carrying the following comment on the new website.

3-4-2 'Hunt the Boeing' Back by popular demand!

I originally took down this link because I have a logic problem with the basic premise of this page; that the damage to the Pentagon was from a truck bomb rather than a passenger jet. If the plane did not crash into the Pentagon, where is it? But a lot of people emailed me asking me to put the link back up, so I put the link back in.

CNN MAP OF FLIGHT PATHS http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/map.html

Make up your own mind.

UPDATE: This story appears to be deliberate disinformation planted to embarrass and discredit critics of the official story of 9-11 and is likely being promoted by informants and other government propagandists. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

For his part C.D. Sludge can seem to recall seeing TV footage of debris from an aircraft being craned onto a truck. Though the memory can lie.

Further evidence that most probably puts this report in the "weird, wacky and wrong" conspiracy theory file are the passenger lists and biographies which appear all over the web.

The following is just one of many websites on this.

See:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/12/victim-capsule-flight77.htm

Notably this includes a story on Barbara Olson, 45, a prominent lawyer and frequent political pundit on CNN and other TV channels who called her husband twice as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were using knife-like instruments.

See:
http://usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/victims-olson.htm


Eyewitness Reports Of The Crash...

Also from whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/planewitness.txt

Link To Real Audio Of Eye Witnesses

Steve Patterson, 43, said he was watching television reports of the World Trade Center being hit when he saw a silver commuter jet fly past the window of his 14th-floor apartment in Pentagon City. The plane was about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20 feet off the ground, Patterson said. He said the plane, which sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetary so low that he thought it was going to land on I-395. He said it was flying so fast that he couldn't read any writing on the side. The plane, which appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed straight for the Pentagon but was flying as if coming in for a landing on a nonexistent runway, Patterson said. "At first I thought 'Oh my God, there's a plane truly misrouted from National,'" Patterson said. "Then this thing just became part of the Pentagon ... I was watching the World Trade Center go and then this. It was like Oh my God, what's next?" He said the plane, which approached the Pentagon below treetop level, seemed to be flying normally for a plane coming in for a landing other than going very fast for being so low. Then, he said, he saw the Pentagon "envelope" the plane and bright orange flames shoot out the back of the building. "It looked like a normal landing, as if someone knew exactly what they were doing," said Patterson, a graphics artist who works at home. "This looked intentional."

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A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "It added power on its way in," he said. "The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball." Smoke and flames poured out of a large hole punched into the side of the Pentagon. Emergency crews rushed fire engines to the scene and ambulancemen ran towards the flames holding wooden pallets to carry bodies out. A few of the lightly injured, bleeding and covered in dust, were recovering on the lawn outside, some in civilian clothes, some in uniform. A piece of twisted aircraft fuselage lay nearby. No one knew how many people had been killed, but rescue workers were finding it nearly impossible to get to people trapped inside, beaten back by the flames and falling debris.

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He said another witness told him a helicopter exploded. AP reporter Dave Winslow also saw the crash. He said, "I saw the tail of a large airliner ... It ploughed right into the Pentagon.

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'Black Boxes' Found at Pentagon Crash Site By Rudi Williams American Forces Press Service WASHINGTON, Sept. 14, 2001 -- Searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders about 4 a.m. today in the wreckage of the hijacked plane that slammed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, Defense Department officials said. The two "black boxes" will help investigators put together the puzzle of what happened during the doomed flight, said DoD spokesman Army Lt. Col. George H. Rhynedance. "The voice recorder will tell what was going on in the cockpit," he said. The data box, he said, will tell what was happening with the aircraft as it headed toward the Pentagon, such as its rate of turn. Information from the two boxes will help determine what actually happened during the flight, he said. The recorders were turned over the FBI. The recorders are now at the National Transportation Safety Board laboratory in Washington, where technicians are working to recover data on the recorders.

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AntiCopyright Sludge 2002 - sludge@scoop.co.nz


'747 Pilot' (?) Says There Was No Plane to
be Found at the Pentagon "crashsite"


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I flew the Boeing 747 JUMBO Jet., but not this 757. I retired before this came into service. But, from what I see (or don't see) looking at these pictures; its hard to pick out aircraft parts. The wingtips alone would have sheared off and bounced back into the street, the engines (2) would have penetrated deeper into the wall and framing structure further than any other part making a definite hole. The belly of the aircraft contains, fuel tanks, baggage, mail bags, and cargo; none of this type debris can be seen. Assuming 8600 gallons of kerosene fuel @ specific gravity of approx 6.9 lbs/gal (temperature considered) weight of the fuel would be close to 60,000 lbs and would splatter everywhere. Where are the seats, those with passengers buckled in would be ripped our of the floor, for that matter, where are the passengers? I have never seen an aircraft accident where the aircraft evaporated upon impact, water, land or buildings. If these pictures were taken within 3 days after 9/11, there would have been definite remains of parts. I don't see any. However, digital computer photos can be doctored up to suit any lawyers cause. From the photos shown, there ain't no fly in this pudding.

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What Rense.com is not talking about

In reference to Dimitris' post where the person said:

" But unlike myself, who doesn't have a personal website (as medical ethics forbid it),..]"

I would like to draw forum readers attention to the following URL from the American Accademy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry web site.

http://www.aacap.org/about/index.htm

Particularly this section..

"The Academy shall consider links [to personal websites] only to Active/Fellow/Life Members.


Members interested in having the Academy link to their personal Homepage should submit a request in writing to the Director of Development and Communications. Requests must include the URL and a print-out of the Homepage."


As Laura says, "
she pays "[...very close attention to small and subtle things because they can be indicators of the locators of non-linear eruptions."

It is the small details that provide the clues."

Furthermore
Anyone who is seriously interested in researching psychology or any other subject and spends time doing so, becomes accustomed very quickly to citing evidence in support of their argument. In fact it becomes almost impossible to write anything without providing supporting evidence even when it is not required.
What the poster Dimitrius is doing is an ad-homenum argument (attack the man instead of his theory) usually used when there is insufficient evidence to support his/her argument.

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Dimitrius, the 'truth' is unchanging no matter what anyone says, and the best any science can do is to dis-prove something and thereby eliminate the false, that is what happens here. I don't know why you became so 'disturbed' by the subject in question that you needed to present a quasi-professionalism persona to give yourself a more elevated and therefore more important and believable voice.

If you are a sincere seeker and have just had your belief in the Rense website challenged, then you have received a valuable shock and your response is understandable initially, it will now be up to you to choose to run with it and become objective rather than the emotional reaction we saw earlier. If however you are here with an agenda to disrupt then I suggest you find somewhere else to do that as the people on this forum are not easily duped.

This is also an opportunity for you; even if you might be here with an agenda there is mounting evidence that a body of individuals are doing everything in their power to prevent certain information from reaching the general population, its about freedom, its about consciousness, its about being just and its about love of humanity, and when you have read all the evidence on the cassiopaea site and Laura's books, it's make your mind up time. Will you choose lies or truth?
Enjoy '911 the Ultimate Truth' with an open mind and an open heart for the future of humanity.
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