Jeff Rense EXPOSED!!

[Anders]

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Another point taken from the article that Esoquest posted the link to above http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/censorshipaltmedia.html ,was the comment from Mike Rivero. Especially since Laura called for another look at the Pentagon strike and the investigators sofar.

Two: One member of the alternative media who was reluctant to weigh-in on this subject was Mike Rivero of What Really Happened. After sending him the same e-mail which was transmitted to other members of the alternative media, this was the most he could muster in response:

"Okay, I read through the article and got that for some reason Rense and Jones deleted comments from a specific writer, but I don't get the WHY of what happened. Do we know why they did it?"

After exchanging a few more e-mails, Lisa Guliani finally asked, "Mike, do you want to comment or not?"

Sadly, we haven't heard another word from him. What makes this situation even stranger is that Mike Rivero - more than any other member of the 9-11 "truth movement" - pushes the government angle that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon. In fact, when interviewed on WING TV (February 13, 2005), we asked Rivero point-blank:

"Do you think Flight 77 hit the Pentagon?"

His response: "Yes."

To make matters worse, Rivero promotes this disinformation very ardently on his website, thus trying to push people further away from the truth (rather than closer to it).

Could this counter-productive stance be indicative of why he refused to speak-out against Rense and Jones' censorship practices, or is it something more?

 

[Cyre2067]

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I can't tell you how educational it is being so new to the material here that we can see it demonstrated live in action. It's great that the theories discussed can be so aptly applied to real life situations. It's much like taking a class and having a lab section attached.

Rock on.

 

[Fifth Way]

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...think this is a great opportunity to observe non-linearity in action. [...] ...before there can be a "movement", before there can be solidarity, there must first be a standard of truth and honesty to support these. [...] The thing about truth, however, is that it stands the test of time and the test of constant scrutiny.

I think this is also a great opportunity to observe that networking information works spontaneously by people who's common denominator is the continues attempt to maintain the highest standard of truth and honesty. As the truth does in fact stands the test of time real progress in the work can be made.

Now jumping thoughts:

9/11:The Ultimate Truth wrote:

This suggests that the "Sorcerer's Coven" - the Global Elite - probably do not engage in hidden rituals of human or animal sacrifice as certain conspiracy theorists suggest. They don't need to. They can create wars and pogroms and other situations of pain and suffering in continuation of their ancient practices - right out in the open.

Very true. Every occultist knows that blood carries energy. Blood is a fluid with both electrolytic (ionic) components and permanent magnets (iron in hemoglobin) as well as DNA, and many molecular structures having to do with genetic activation. One can say that the complex bio-fields in blood as well as its predominantly water constituency carry the imprint of DNA in a way that some can absorb it, although only temporarily benefitting from such absorption.

Sacrifice potentency would depend on quality and quantity of "material" absorbed by human and/or "other" parties. There may have been a time when blood-lines related to esoteric potential where "pure", which means that the population as a whole was more segregated. This does not mean recessive genetic effects cannot account today for the occasional pure bloodliner, and with varying degrees of impurity in others.

In a segregated population, "victims" could be chosen with ease, either sacrificed or forced to interbreed with their psychopathic captors.

I think that the power pyramid needs to be kept alive and functioning by and for TPB. Unfortunately for them, sometimes certain individuals, born into important strategic positions, happen to be not psychopathic by chance. Now this specific group is still considerably segregated today. As far as I understand it, it seems that ritual/occult child abuse/torture is a proper way to 'kill' soul thus making the the potential victim with no psychopathic tendency yet again controllable.

This line of thought was another factor that made me initially react open to Dimitris'.

IMO a 'Reptilian controlled Patho-Cryptocrathy'.

Pondering over the recent thread I come (at this point in time) to believe that one in fact has to understand Ponerology first to grasp the rest of the story. However, in that context it is that I disagree that the global elite does not need ritual abuse or sacrifice per se.

And to close the circle: Neither Rense nor Jones really talk about ritual child abuse, do they?

 

[Dimitris]

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A lot of interesting and fruitful points were raised by Laura and Ark in response to my last post about the value and insight I have PERSONALLY derived from '911:The Ultimate Truth'. I will only deal with two points here:

Firstly, some of these insights were further expanded by quotes which Laura herself picked from her book (specifically: the ones about the 'symbiotic' link between the Templars and the Cathars) which I appreciate although I would contest some of their factual assumptions as well as Laura's conclusions. But to elaborate on them with the analytic attention they deserve as well as my own corroborating sources and evidence would require a lengthy discussion outside the circumscribed setting of an Open Forum.

Suffice it to say here that Greek historians have seen the Templars in a very different light from that which mainstream Western and Roman Catholic historiography has cast them under, precisely because Greeks had been on the receiving end of these 'warrior-sorcerer-treasurers' of the Middle Ages and their 'crusading' rampages. In 1199, Cyprus was sacked by the Templars and nearly the whole of its Greek population slaughtered. Then, in 1204, came the pillage of Constantinople, again by the same hordes of 'knights'. Then, in 1208, the siege and burning of the Cathar fortress of Montsegur was completed by the full force of the same hordes with the same barbaric ferocity. But this time, there was nobody left to write the true history of the Cathars. For nearly another century until the Templar chieftains would taste their own medicine at the stake, the same perpetrators of these atrocities did all they could to suppress and falsify the history of the Cathars or the Templars' sorcerous, blood-soaked exploits and their occult alliance with the 'unconverted' pagan remnants of the Khazar Magi - the Assassins. Naturally, the 'history of the victors' still holds sway in contemporary Western culture, as the success of 'The Da Vinci Code' or its precursor, 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', bears proof on who is still the Real Power behind popes, nobles and billionnaires, at least in Europe.

Secondly, I repeat for the last time, that I never suggested the 911 Truth Movement should focus on the 'hyperdimensional' side of the Cryptocracy, but only on its most obvious corollary: the 'occult' networks of 'intelligence agencies' and 'secret societies'. siply because the latter - and they alone - operate entirely outside and above the laws and constitutional statutes of contemporary civil society society, making them capable of pulling the complex 'Set-Up' of 911 and certain that they will get away with it. I think Laura's quotations from Victor Marchetti's classic expose 'The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence' proves that this approach (which is all I speak of) is both fruitful and topical as well as perfectly comprehensible to Kaminsky's 'truck-driver next door'!

Now back to Jeff Rense or Alex Jones as Cointelpro and my uncomfortable alleged role here as their Devil's Advocate. To stem a fresh tide of personal invective against me, I will present a few quotes from past articles against the 'evil duo' by Victor Thorn & Lisa Guliani - again without comment on my part, as I did with Rick Siegel's article.

Read these quotes carefully and tell me if you think Thorn & Guliani deserve to be censored by Rense, Jones or any other 'alternative news' portal. If not why not? If yes, why so? Please don't try to guess my own answer from the highlighted phrases (although you probably already have):

http://69.28.73.17/alexbigbrother.html
Alex Jones: Overt Censorship

The big question at this point is: why did Alex Jones, with whom the ultimate responsibility lies, make this decision? As we said earlier, no one at Prison Planet has answered Lisa's queries, but we have heard on good authority that Mr. Jones did not approve of the content that appeared in our former publication, Babel Magazine. And why is that? Quite simply, because we ran a smattering of 'adult-oriented' material which was (without any candy-coating) quite risqu

 

[Laura]

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Firstly, some of these insights were further expanded by quotes which Laura herself picked from her book (specifically: the ones about the 'symbiotic' link between the Templars and the Cathars) which I appreciate although I would contest some of their factual assumptions as well as Laura's conclusions. But to elaborate on them with the analytic attention they deserve as well as my own corroborating sources and evidence would require a lengthy discussion outside the circumscribed setting of an Open Forum.

That's what the forum is for: to discuss and elaborate and provide citations.

Suffice it to say here that Greek historians have seen the Templars in a very different light from that which mainstream Western and Roman Catholic historiography has cast them under, precisely because Greeks had been on the receiving end of these 'warrior-sorcerer-treasurers' of the Middle Ages and their 'crusading' rampages.

No doubt. Just as there is a different perspective between the views of the colonists vis a vis the experiences of the Native Americans. Does that mean that the colonists were part of a plot to take over the world? Sure, in a certain trans-millennial sense, they were, but individually or even social-collectively, they were not aware of it. They were doing what they were doing driven by pathocratic ideas and ideals propagated for the purpose of survival of deviants and destruction of normal people. Always and ever, when you look at such dynamics, where one group of normal people go after another group, it is because of the manipulations of the deviants. Whenever you are inclined to judge by surface appearances of war-mongering, remember this:

Thus, the biological, psychological, moral, and economic destruction of the majority of normal people becomes, for the pathocrats, a "biological" necessity. Many means serve this end, starting with concentration camps and including warfare with an obstinate, well-armed foe who will devastate and debilitate the human power thrown at him, namely the very power jeopardizing pathocrats rule: the sons of normal man sent out to fight for an illusionary "noble cause." Once safely dead, the soldiers will then be decreed heroes to be revered in paeans, useful for raising a new generation faithful to the pathocracy and ever willing to go to their deaths to protect it.

And that is exactly what happened to the Templars...

But this time, there was nobody left to write the true history of the Cathars. For nearly another century until the Templar chieftains would taste their own medicine at the stake, the same perpetrators of these atrocities did all they could to suppress and falsify the history of the Cathars or the Templars' sorcerous, blood-soaked exploits and their occult alliance with the 'unconverted' pagan remnants of the Khazar Magi - the Assassins. Naturally, the 'history of the victors' still holds sway in contemporary Western culture, as the success of 'The Da Vinci Code' or its precursor, 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', bears proof on who is still the Real Power behind popes, nobles and billionnaires, at least in Europe.

Your view of it is very popular among certain occultists which is one of the reasons that it ought to be looked at more carefully. Here I will include a segment of one of the chapters of The Secret History of the World that deals with the subject of the Magi:

We remember at this point that Fulcanelli has told us that we would derive great benefit from his little book on the Cathedrals, providing he did not despise the works of the Old Philosophers, and if he would study with care and penetration the classical text so as to understand the obscure points of the practice. Naturally, we cannot possibly include a page-by-page examination of Le Myst

 

[Dimitris]

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I have a better idea: why don't you just write and say what you think about it instead of playing manipulative games?

Now, who's being manipulative again, me or you, Laura?

That sounds like an indirect 'instruction' to your SOTT 'friends' not to comment on my chosen quotes before I do, just in case some of them ask you, privately as well as in public:

Hey, are we going to allow a pair of lapsed hard-core pornographers free reign through our websites, solely to avoid their heckling blackmail of branding us 'cowardly censoring sneaks'? Even if they are not paid as agents provocateurs for such a thinly disguised Cointelpro hatchet-job, is it worth the risk of earning us the mainstream media title of 'peddlars for the sexist, sadistic gothic cartoon-sex racket', on top of our more customary brand-names as 'conspiracy crackpots', 'smelly, unpatriotic 9-11 liars' or 'UFO-channelling buffs'?

Like it or not, that's how professional, targeted disinfo works - and Jeff Rense or Alex Jones (whatever their personal failings and obnoxious idiocyncracies) know hell of a lot more about it than you do, Laura et al. I'm only a 'messengers' of things which they can't even utter. So, don't ask me to spell it out for you! In fact, I couldn't say it better than another of your truly free-minded friends, Kurt Nimmo:

:
In short, I am more worried about death threats and character assassination than somebody like Alex Jones removing a sentence or two from an article. You guys should do a show about people in the truth movement (or whatever you want to call it) receiving death threats and other degrading attacks from neocons and mental patients with Second Amendment rights. I believe this is more serious than censorship. I'm not worried about an excised sentence shoving a gun in my face. Just my two cents.

Exactly my two cents too!

By the way, Laura: Did you hear me complain about you censoring a full post of mine out of another thread? No, because I respect your editorial prerogative and sole legal discretion as website Administrator to do so! Maybe I even agree with you and commend you for doing the right thing!

And - medical ethics aside - this is another reason I don't have a personal website - let alone a publishing house and an open forum to go with it! I can't bear the daily responsibility of having to strike a fine balance between CENSORING but not DISINFORMING my readers or patients.

 

[Laura]

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I have a better idea: why don't you just write and say what you think about it instead of playing manipulative games?

Now, who's being manipulative again, me or you, Laura?

You have a strange perception of manipulation, IMO. Definition: exerting shrewd or devious influence especially for one's own advantage. Are you suggesting that this is what I am trying to do when I suggest open and honest discussion? Is that how openness and honesty strikes you? As Lobaczewski points out:

A normal person strikes a psychopath as a naive, smart-alecky believer in barely comprehensible theories; calling him "crazy" is not all that far away.

I frankly don't think this discussion will ever go anywhere at all because we live in different realities, Dimitris. While I can grok where you are coming from, you will never be able to comprehend where I am coming from. It's really that simple.

That sounds like an indirect 'instruction' to your SOTT 'friends' not to comment on my chosen quotes before I do, just in case some of them ask you, privately as well as in public:

Hey, are we going to allow a pair of lapsed hard-core pornographers free reign through our websites, solely to avoid their heckling blackmail of branding us 'cowardly censoring sneaks'? Even if they are not paid as agents provocateurs for such a thinly disguised Cointelpro hatchet-job, is it worth the risk of earning us the mainstream media title of 'peddlars for the sexist, sadistic gothic cartoon-sex racket', on top of our more customary brand-names as 'conspiracy crackpots', 'smelly, unpatriotic 9-11 liars' or 'UFO-channelling buffs'?

Why would you even assume such a thing? You have a really distorted idea of how I think, how I spend my time, not to mention how much time I actually have to spend on such silliness. Again:

A normal person strikes a psychopath as a naive, smart-alecky believer in barely comprehensible theories; calling him "crazy" is not all that far away.

The question is, do you know for a fact that the Wing TV people are "lapsed hard-core pornographers"? You quoted them saying:

Mr. Jones did not approve of the content that appeared in our former publication, Babel Magazine. And why is that? Quite simply, because we ran a smattering of 'adult-oriented' material which was (without any candy-coating) quite risqu

 

[Fifth Way]

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Now, who's being manipulative again, me or you, Laura?

That sounds like an indirect 'instruction' to your SOTT 'friends' not to comment on my chosen quotes before I do....

You have a strange perception of manipulation, IMO.

I guess this is called projection.

 

[anart]

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I have a better idea: why don't you just write and say what you think about it instead of playing manipulative games?

Now, who's being manipulative again, me or you, Laura?

Are you really ignorant of the definition of the word manipulation, Dimitris, or are you just 'off'? This statement of yours is absolutely non-sensical and, quite frankly, it makes you look like a fool. Your postings have degenerated to the level of paranoiac ramblings that are increasingly hard to follow or make sense of.

That sounds like an indirect 'instruction' to your SOTT 'friends' not to comment on my chosen quotes before I do, just in case some of them ask you, privately as well as in public:

Hey, are we going to allow a pair of lapsed hard-core pornographers free reign through our websites, solely to avoid their heckling blackmail of branding us 'cowardly censoring sneaks'? Even if they are not paid as agents provocateurs for such a thinly disguised Cointelpro hatchet-job, is it worth the risk of earning us the mainstream media title of 'peddlars for the sexist, sadistic gothic cartoon-sex racket', on top of our more customary brand-names as 'conspiracy crackpots', 'smelly, unpatriotic 9-11 liars' or 'UFO-channelling buffs'?

Is independent, critical thought so foreign a concept to you that you can't imagine that others are capable or it? You present an image of this forum as some band of mindless Laura groupies who shiver in her shadow, awaiting her instructions on what to think or what to do -- believe me, you could not be farther from the truth, and you are greatly underestimating the intelligence level of those who are reading your increasingly non-sensical posts. I get the sense that you are dancing in front of a mirror and are so enamoured with your own movements that you don't even see how ridiculous you look to others - for goodness sake, please get some perspective on things, or, at least, stop our suffering by taking your ridiculous dance elsewhere.

By the way, Laura: Did you hear me complain about you censoring a full post of mine out of another thread? No, because I respect your editorial prerogative and sole legal discretion as website Administrator to do so! Maybe I even agree with you and commend you for doing the right thing!

Are you saying that she should have deleted this post of yours? If so, then why did you write it? I happened to see the post in question before it was deleted and it was directly insulting to a forum member and exceedingly manipulative. In my humble opinion, you should have been removed from the forum completely for it, but Laura is more generous than I.

 

[efields]

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There ia a new idea being floated from the 'Rense Camp' to Lower Gas prices by boycotting the major companies(Exxon/Mobil)......

Gas War - It Will Work!

From Dottie
4-14-6

GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your consideration.

Join the resistance! I hear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.

Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How?

Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce

Folks:

Personally I THINK the entire idea about reducing the cost of Fossil Fuels is TOTAL CRAP. There is only a finite amount of this resource available. All over the Globe Market Conditions have set the price at about 6-8$. We have this Phony free ride in the U.S. at the current level of cost which has done NOTHING to Curb our use and no incentive to industry to use alternate power sources. ITs a shameful state of affairs. And now from some cry baby Weenie on Rense comes this proposal. In fact just the opposite with SUV's a New standard? Yikes!

A sham and an embarrassment. As if we are not already dependent enough to Fossil Fuels comes this Tripe!! What we NEED to do toots sweet is RAISE the cost of using this commodity to international standards. We are an embarrassment to the World at large, with our, we are better, we are the Choice Ones etc. If you don't agree to our SPIN we will invade and Liberate you..SHEEEESH.

I'd personally like to see Gas at 7-8 a gallon Now that would slow down our consumption and force the selfish companies to unleash the Tech we KNOW they are sitting on that would end our dependance on Fossil Fuels Forever. That would be more realistic as this is NOT a renewable resource. And we are hosing our Planet big time with this vector we are on... Once we use it its gone and will be a million years till it replenishes naturally. We are acting as irresponsible Stewards on Our Watch. The current FOOLS in charge of growing our GNP, are a bunch of Gangsters, long adjusted to these methods of doing busines. Starting Wars and disposing of Evil Doers.... what a Load of Crap. This scheme to lower our gas prices is par for the course of people who elected such Criminals ion the first place. Its this same group that Killed JFK, behind the scenes counting their money

When the Towers Fell, my first impulse was why do they hate us so much?. While my mother( the collective) was, poor us, those criminals are killing us. I turned to her and repaeated my sentient that it takes 2 to have a fight and we should look hard at what we have done and are doing to foster such an ingrained HATE. We are to blame more than 70%, of course and the world sees this very clearly. Only we in the US wonder Why. The rest of the world has no wonder. They see the cause and effect so quickly and clearly. We are not too different from Korea with the current administration a White collar Mafia. Hell Bent on destroying all the good the past 4 admin have tried to accomplish.

If there was a better place to move I would. In the past THIS was the place to come to better your life. Now thier arms of power have reached around the Globe creating one big sewer. We will get out Extinction Level Event (ElE) as we are hell bent on creating it.. It will be a just response wherever it comes from. I for one welcome it. A do Over is severely called for! Just look at the Tape in SLo-Mo, that Ball was way over the line there...

gene fields

 

[Fifth Way]

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Anart, don't get annoyed (I know it is frustrating).

But look at it as a live case study. Lots to learn. With the right attitude one can get even some really good laughs out of it. IMO.

I like your analogy with the dance though. Its like Inspector Clouseau in the Pink Panther: He thinks of himself as being totally cool. Its hilarious, really - if it wouldn't be so sad as at the same time this is making one realize how even people who try and who study just cannot get themselves to wake the f*** up. And how they continue tirelessly to attempt to force a whole clearly unreceptive group to convert to their personal idea of reality.

 

[Laura]

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a pair of lapsed hard-core pornographers free reign through our websites, solely to avoid their heckling blackmail of branding us 'cowardly censoring sneaks'? Even if they are not paid as agents provocateurs for such a thinly disguised Cointelpro hatchet-job, is it worth the risk of earning us the mainstream media title of 'peddlars for the sexist, sadistic gothic cartoon-sex racket', on top of our more customary brand-names as 'conspiracy crackpots', 'smelly, unpatriotic 9-11 liars' or 'UFO-channelling buffs'?

I asked Lisa Guliani and Victor Thorn about Dimitris' comments. The following is Lisa's reply;

Pornographers?

Victor used to publish an online underground literary magazine, similar to
the kinds of publications that were published in the 70's. I used to write
for it. We ran all kinds of pieces, poems (mostly angst-riddled), short
stories, philosophical pieces, political articles, adult-oriented material of
a sexual nature, religious pieces, comedic pieces, etc...

One could find a philosophical or political article written by an author with a Ph.D next to
one written by "Kim Dollhouse", who wrote mostly sex stories I didn't
particularly care for.

We gave voice to thousands of aspiring writers around
the world with Babel Magazine, people who would more than likely NEVER be
published in more traditional venues - simply because their work doesn't fall
into the stenotic formula of the establishment publishing venues.

So what?

Babel was wildly popular, not geared toward targeting readers under 18 years
old - which we spelled out on more than one occasion, and we ended it at the
peak of its popularity to create WING, which we've been doing for over 2
years now.

Babel was one of the last of a dying, if not now extinct - breed
of underground literary publications. The sexually themed short stories in
it were just a small fraction of the content.

WING is all socially and politically themed and is an entirely different thing altogether.
One has nothing to do with the other.

Babel has been offline for over two years now,
but I still don't see what it has to do with what we've been doing SINCE we
ended that publication. In fact, some of our initial political writings
emerged on the pages of Babel.

We're proud of the fact that we gave so many aspiring poets and authors
around the globe a shot at having their writings published - both online and in hard copy.

So, if being smeared by such as Rense and Jones is the thing that is supposed to make us afraid to consider them to be a reliable source, that only tells us more about Rense and Jones than Thorn and Guliani. After all, we've been accuse of everything from abusing our children, fleecing our "minions", to attempted murder.

Added later:

By the way, Thorn and I consider ourselves to be spiritually-minded, although we do not subscribe to any organized religion. We agree more with the Essenes than we do with the Catholic church or any
church, for that matter.

We believe in the words of Jesus, but not in the words of organized religion.

We think organized religion is just another way to control the masses and herd people into different
pens - and it doesn't have anything to do with spirituality, from what I can see.

I daresay there is a wealth of info to be found about us, as we have never made any secret of our
lives. Victor also goes by his pen name, which they like to throw around like it's something
"sinister", when in fact, it's not.

Many, many writers use a nom-de-plume. We could list scores of them off the top of our heads. Some
radio show hosts also use fake names, and two examples that come immediately to mind are Daryl Smith
and Jack Blood.

Thorn uses his pen name to maintain reader familiarity from the days when he wrote fiction and then
transitioned over to mostly political writing.

Thorn is also much easier for people to pronounce (apparently) - as opposed to Makufka. Daryl Smith
has a field day deliberately mispronouncing that one whenever he decides to slam WING TV - just to
piss us off, I think.

I use my real name in my writings, on the show, and in everything I do.

They like to say we've got something to hide as far as the "name thing", but this is FALSE. In
fact, we were interviewed a few years ago, and the pen name and the real name were included in the
newspaper article published by our local paper, the Centre Daily Times. We in turn, published this
article on the internet, for all to see. So much for secrets, huh....

Rense and Jones decided they wanted nothing to do with us from the beginning - when we tried to
rally the alternative media to work together to fight our common enemy.

Once we expressed our desire and the very real need to take ACTION to bypass the mainstream monopoly
on information dissemination to the public, WING apparently became the four-letter word that
provoked the initial animosity from their court. They don't want people to mobilize, organize or
take action.

It has been my experience over the last few years that the posers tend to steer very clear of us.
They typically do, unless we directly challenge them.

We say no one is above questioning. Not us, not Rense or Jones, not anyone.

It definitely sounds like the 911 and alternative media movements have been undergoing ponerization.

 

[ark]

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Emphasis are mine:

Does Dimitris believe in all that stuff?

I think he does. The guy really IS paranoid. He took the blue pill. He's just a useful idiot like the rest of them that buy into this hyperdimensional manipulated nonsense.

That language feels a little strange?

useful idiot -> There are several definitions of this term floating around. Sometimes going back to Lenin.

But In the case above useful idiot refers to a person who refrains from questioning "the authorities", who is not fully aware of being used as a tool by others, who is being manipulated to manipulate others.

 

[Laura]

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There are quite a number of people, besided Dimitris, who "deplore" the "infighting" of the 911 truth movement. Among them is a woman named Judy Andreas.

Now, this Judy Andreas is a strange phenomenon. Judy sort of "appeared" on the scene out of nowhere. She was dating John Kaminski but ended up marrying some guy named Stan.

If you read some of the stuff on her site, and "read between the lines," you will perceive that she has made connections with several people with internet radio shows/websites - generally those with well-known names.

She is a "regular columnist" on Rense, and we notice that Rense has dumped Kaminski...

Now, notice on her webpage that she reproduces a "fan letter" from someone that says:

"I'm overwhelmed...there on the counter sat the package. Couldn't wait to
open it --- love the format for easy reading. It is impressive to have John foreword it and
Cindy Sheehan with Jeff Rense- terrific! I like the piece by Pamela Icke. I
shall keep the book by the computer and pick it up to read (& savor)piece by
piece. I'll tell the universe to have a major publisher pick it up!
Thankyou! Arhata "

What is interesting about this letter? That there is reference to a piece by Pamela Icke.

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find out about enlightened relationship from someone who is in one... Don't
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As it happens, David Icke was recently assimilated by abovetopsecret.com. Since we now have hard evidence that abovetopsecret.com is hooked up with Wayne Jaeschke and that they claim Morrison and Foerster as their legal reps, and Jaeschke has been implicated as participating in the creation of the "Project Serpo" hoax,
this connection between Judy Andreas and the Icke people is highly suggestive.

I seem to recall that Rense and Icke were good buddies at one point but Icke is no longer so prominently featured by Rense. This association of Pamela Icke with the gang via Judy is suggestive.

But, there is MORE.

Last year, when John K was obviously under a lot of stress, I wrote and invited him to come to France for a meeting. I knew that his financial situation was dire and that he was obviously under fire after he published his essay citing the C's in a favorable way. He was ready to come and we had some exchanges about the details. We applied to QFG to support his travel expenses and it was approved and the ticket was purchased. We talked about the possibility that we could help him with publishing at much less expense so that would optimize his royalties and make it easier for him to survive and continue to work, doing what he does best: writing powerful, inspirational pieces.

There were no strings attached. We did not ask or expect him to promote us or our work. We don't operate that way.

Within a few days of him receiving the ticket in the mail, he wrote and told me that he had learned from a totally reliable source that it was a plot being hatched to arrest him for anti-Semitism. He was told that the instant he stepped off the plane in France, he was going to be taken into custody.

Well, this was completely ridiculous and I told him so, but he was shaken enough to cancel the trip.

A few days later, a reader sent me the following:

http:(2slash)www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=45&topic=3&message=115499&mpage=1&showdate=8/17/05

quinn the eskimo
User ID: 1417
8/16/2005
4:33 pm EDT Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you
all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?

>From deep inside castleopaea.

Laura has managed to seduce another one. This time it was John
Kaminski. Her and Ark were going to publish all of his books in
Europe. She sent him a $1400 ticket to fly to France and seal the
deal.

Suddenly a couple of weeks ago Kaminski mysteriously dropped out of
the deal.

Laura thinks that he read this forum and decided against dealing
with her and Ark.

She is one unhappy camper.

This is a typical example of cointelpro in action. Godlike Productions - as I have reported elsewhere on the forum here - is run by some truly interesting people- is where we are being liberally and viciously defamed in an ongoing cointelpro campaign run by Rense pal Vincent Bridges, former pagan candidate for president, Storm Bear Williams, and several others who don't seem to have real jobs since their time it totally devoted to trashing us and our work.

In any event, the problem with the post on GLP is that it is quite inaccurate in that we do not publish books in Europe, our publishing company is Canadian and is owned by QFG members who invested their own monies and obtained a loan to start the business - just like any normal business is founded.

Second, our proposed meeting with John K had nothing to do with publishing - all of that was already discussed via email. What we really hoped to accomplish was to communicate a number of other things and there were no strings attached to a visit.

The speculations about what did or did not think are also ridiculous.

But what IS interesting is the figure of the cost of the ticket. Only four people knew that figure - the three people who had a need to know because of accounting - and John K himself.

I think it was quite shocking to John to see what the person he had confided this information to had done with it.

Now, was it Judy Andreas herself, or was it due to her connections with Rense and "others?"

Much later, John told me the following:

It was she and Rense who prevented me from
coming to see you last summer. She pumped me for a lot of information
while she was setting up to conquer other guys while we were ostensibly
together (though a thousand miles apart for most of it).

That's a pretty hard lesson to learn and I am sorry that John had to learn it that way. But the fact is, only those who have been subjected to cointelpro can really understand what it is all about. Those who have never been attacked will find it very easy to say: "oh, why can't we all just get along!" or "Infighting isn't going to help anybody..." and in fact, those are the very paramoralisms that are used to render victims susceptible to cointelpro.

I think that I can safely say that we are the most attacked, defamed, criticized, and marginalized group of researchers going in the alternative media field today. This crap has been going on for about 14 years. It ramped up in summer of 2001, more or less in preparation for 911 (as we can see in retrospect), and I've spent a small fortune on medical bills to deal with the stress. That is one of the reasons we are in France. After our address was published on an ADL type site with the suggestion that somebody find us and "take care" of us, my children were threatened, two of them injured, one ended up in the hospital on life support and nearly died, our dog was poisoned, and well... leaving seemed to be the right thing to do. It was the only way we could continue to work.

But back to Judy Andreas: what was she doing before she became an alternative news essayist?

http://www.reclaimingquarterly.org/87/rq-87-worlddeities.html

Note added Sept 15, 2006: I am replacing the quoted material from the above site with a letter received today from Judy Andreas "the essayist." It seems that I have maligned the above, innocent party - also named Judy Andreas - by confusing her with Rense's groupie. A thousand apologies!!!

From: Jude10901@****
Date: September 15, 2006 8:30:27 PM CEDT
To: signs-of-the-times.org
Subject: more for Laura Knight J.....

Ms. Laura Knight Jadczyk seems to have confused an essayist Judy
Andreas www(dot)judyandreas.com who lives on the East Coast with a Gay
Activist Judy Andreas who lives in California. A simple googling
would have straightened out the confusion, and yet she printed gross
lies.

Judy, the essayist, has lived in NY all her life, while Judy
the gay Wiccan has lived with her gay lover for 26 years in
California.

But it gets worse. Ms. J also quotes famous "has
been" John Kaminski , the once promising essayist who has found the
recipe for his own distinction. Mr. K is a pathological liar. His
story is laughable. As if he was manipulated by a five ft two
redhead. The truth is that his fear of going to spend time with a
channeler, something he does not believe in, caused him to cancel his
trip to France. But, he is a man who bellows from behind his
computer and yet has a curious absence of (ahem) balls.

After antagonizing a host of talkshow hosts, Mr. Kaminski decided to
blame Judy Andreas and Jeff Rense for his cowardice. Of course, Ms.
Jadczyk printed the story without ever verifying the facts or how
Mr. K was shivering in his sandals after speaking with people that
Ms. J had supposedly vilified.

To make matters even sleazier, Ms. J has credited Ms. Andreas with a
breakup between two men who are still friendly, David Icke and Jeff
Rense. Judy Andreas has never even met the aforementioned men,
though she does write a column for Jeff Rense..

Ms J said <<"Now, this Judy Andreas is a strange phenomenon. Judy
sort of "appeared" on the scene out of nowhere. She was dating John
Kaminski all the while she was making "advances" toward Stan Hess who
ended up marrying her though the marriage only lasted for two weeks,
as I understand. >>

(Sorry, Ms. Jadczyk.....Judy and Stan are
still very close and she recently spent time with him in Idaho) It
was John K who left Judy Andreas before she'd ever met Stan Hess.
You see, John went to a wealthier woman, who he had trashed to Judy
for over a year. But, John K , for those who are not familiar with
Mr. "Other Peoples Money," when he's not writing the same tired old
essay, he is either begging for money or living off women)
Ms. J continued..


<<She is a "regular columnist" on Rense, and we notice that Rense has
dumped Kaminski... I guess because John was not manipulatable by
Judy. >>

Maybe it was because John Kaminksi lied to Jeff Rense
repeatedly and many of Kaminski's readers had become ex readers as
they grew tired of his droning on and on. He stabbed many of the
hosts. I have not the power to influence anyone. I can only share
my truth. John did a real number on Jeff Rense and then he crawled
back to Victor and Lisa whom he he vilified. He is a user of people
and totally lacks integrity.


Back to Ms. J

<<Now, notice on her webpage that she reproduces a "fan letter" from
someone that says:


"I'm overwhelmed...there on the counter sat the package. Couldn't
wait to open it --- love the format for easy reading. It is impressive to
have John foreword it and Cindy Sheehan with Jeff Rense- terrific! I like the piece by Pamela
Icke. I shall keep the book by the computer and pick it up to read (& savor)
piece by piece. I'll tell the universe to have a major publisher pick it up!
Thankyou! Arhata "

What is interesting about this letter? That there is reference to a
piece by Pamela Icke.>>

Yes.... I have been writing to Pamela Icke for a long time. We have
shared many things and tough moments in our lives. I have never met
David but I do have respect for him. I used to have his Tales From
The Time Loop, but John K borrowed it. I love his line about "love
is all there is.... all else is illusion". I know that many feel
that way and that is how I want to conduct my life.

Ms. J says

<<
this connection between Judy Andreas and the Icke people is highly
suggestive.

I seem to recall that Rense and Icke were good buddies at one point
and then either drifted apart or had a falling out. Well, maybe that
was just for public consumption. This association of Pamela Icke
with the gang suggests
otherwise.>>


Nothing suspicious about it. As I said, Pamela and I are friends.
It started because she related to my writings. I do not know David.
But I do know that he and Jeff Rense are still friends.

On to Ms. J

<<But, there is MORE.

Last year, when John K was obviously under a lot of stress, I wrote
and invited him to come to France for a meeting. I knew that his
financial situation was dire and that he was obviously under fire
after he published his essay citing the C's in a favorable way. He
was ready to come and we had some exchanges about the details. We
applied to QFG to support his travel expenses and it was approved and
the ticket was purchased. We talked about the possibility that we
could help him with publishing at much less expense so that would
optimize his royalties and make it easier for him to survive and
continue to work, doing what he does best: writing powerful,
inspirational pieces.

There were no strings attached. We did not ask or expect him to
promote us or our work. We don't operate that way.

Within a few days of him receiving the ticket in the mail, he wrote
and told me that he had learned from a totally reliable source that
it was a plot being hatched to arrest him for anti-Semitism. He was
told that the instant he stepped off the plane in France, he was
going to be taken into custody. >>

( Mr. K made that up because he
was afraid to tell Ms.J that he had wussed out. He was afraid to be
stuck with a channeler who had a reputation for plagiary. He had
been in touch with Weidner and Bridges. )


<<Much later, John told me the following:

(Here comes' Kaminksi's best fiction yet)

It was she and Rense who prevented me from
coming to see you last summer. She pumped me for a lot of information
while she was setting up to conquer other guys while we were ostensibly
together (though a thousand miles apart for most of it).>>

Now that would have made a good fiction piece, Mr. Kaminski.......
Better than your tired old "one note" essay. You know damn well that
there isn't a shred of truth in it. John Kaminki has slithered back
to Ms. J and the WINGS, after dumping them both. As an opportunist,
with few opportunities left, he lied to them all.

Here is where Ms. J referred to the lesbian

<<But back to Judy Andreas: what was she doing before she became an
alternative news host groupie? LOOK CAREFULLY....THAT IS A
DIFFERENT JUDY ANDREAS. Time to enroll in Reading 1.1, Ms.
"author". Also......Google the pictures. See the red headed East
Coast lady and the butch west coast lady? http://
www.reclaimingquarterly.org/87/r ... ities.html >>

Not only has Ms Jadczyk given Judy Andreas, essayist, the ability to
bilocate....but she has turned her into a bisexual.

Ms. J says <<The problem is, the current incarnation of Judy Andreas
lives in New York and claims to be a social worker... BUT, the above
article was written in 2002, and Judy didn't begin hanging out on
alt.radio.talk in newsgroups until 2003...>>

(Check the Rockland Country Dept of Social Services. Judy Andreas,
essayist, worked there as a Caseworker. I have raised my three
children and have never been gay.....nor have I lived on the West Coast)

<<There are many mysteries to solve about Judy Andreas - best friend of
Jeff Rense and Jay Weidner and Vincent Bridges and Storm Bear
Williams and Ray Flowers and the rest of the Stargate Conspiracy
lower echelon gang, but we have hopes of making progress >>

More gross distortions. I have great respect for Jeff Rense but have
never met him. I do not know Jay Weidner or Vincent Bridges.

I feel that this was really shoddy journalism. Ms. J vilified me on
a lot of hearsay and confusion with another Judy Andreas. Oh well,
she has to live with herself.

Best,
Judy Andreas

There is more to this situation than meets the eye.

Ms. Peace & Love & Unity sure does take some potshots at Kaminski, doesn't she?

She calls "K" a pathological liar, yet she has no problem writing for a PROVEN pathological liar - Jeff Rense.

 

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What Rense.com is not talking about

There was a Dimitris post here that was deleted. Something quoting a commentary from a writer called Sartre editor of Breaking All the Rules, who was critisizing L. Guliani et al for critisizing Rense et al. Here is an interesting comment from Wing TV regarding a phone conversation with Sartre referred as "Mr. X" (identified in another link: http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/2005awards.html (scroll down to #137)).

From: http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/opm.html

OPM: Other People's Money
by Lisa Guliani

Several months ago I received a phone call from a journalist who happens to be a regular columnist for Jeff Rense. I'll call him Mr."X". We were discussing the whole "patriot/truth/9-11 movement" and he wanted to give me some advice on how he thinks Victor and I should be "playing the game".

When he asked how we finance WING TV, I told him we work day jobs. His response to this was hearty laughter, followed by the comment, "Listen, your problem lies in the fact that you guys don't have a racket. You need to get a racket."

My reply: "We're not interested in getting a racket."

Mr. "X": "Haven't you ever heard of OPM?"

Me: "OPM? No. What is OPM?"

Mr. "X": OPM is an acronym for 'Other People's Money'. "X" then went on to tell me how much easier it would be to run WING TV if we'd simply get other people to foot the bills for doing what we're doing. According to "X," that's how anybody who is successful is doing it. That's how the "big boys" like Jones and Rense are doing it. After all, you don't see them working day jobs, do you? The reason they're successful is because they understand how to play the game. And the name of the game is OPM.

I was pretty disgusted with this type of advice coming from someone who I'd presumed to be a person operating under honorable and ethical guidelines. I made it clear to "X" that we have no intention of playing their "OPM game". "X" said we're stupid if we don't do it because "everybody's doing it."

Everybody's doing it? No, not everybody. There are people like Thorn and me in the alternative media who are not feeding off the OPM free cash cow.

We ended the phone call, but this man's words have haunted me ever since.

Think about it. He's correct in saying that shysters atop the alternative media food chain are sucking money out of you like your pocket is a sieve, and that their shows and websites are breeding grounds to foment irrational fear and paranoia in the listening audience. And it works masterfully, because the most suggestible listeners dutifully pay up.

You don't see the "big boys" like Jones and Rense out there working for a living, do you? No. They don't have to, because they've got you doing all the work --- then forking over your hard-earned money to them.

Their websites are slick, polished, and highly suggestive that there is quite a bit of money behind them. So, where does the bulk of that money come from? It comes out of your pocket.

By buying their "end of the world" and "New Age" remedies, energized water, fake food (Ener-Food), toe fungus, British water filters, etc, you are enabling the OPM racket to flourish and thrive. You, the listener and consumer, are making it possible for these shysters to peddle their snake oil and propaganda on an ongoing basis. This makes it possible for the fear-mongers to sit back and watch the dollars roll in. With a scam like this, why should they go out and get a real job? The OPM racket is not a new one. We've all seen this before with unscrupulous televangelists. Peter Schaenk even compared these individuals to the huckster Elmer Ganty. You're their meal-ticket as long as you remain freaked out and sweating bullets. These men are fully capable of working (even part-time jobs) to pay their own bills. But y'see, they'd rather have you do that for them. That's why it's called a "racket".

In essence, you are paying them to bullshit you and feed you heavy doses of fear on a daily basis, and they hold themselves to be above questioning. The snake oil salesmen have no accountability because YOU don't hold them accountable. No wonder they're so smug.

Nice little racket, huh?