Joe's bomb

[Beau]

What he doesn't even realize is the so-called "degrading" remarks are not even defamatory at all. They are meant to offer reflection. This kind of help is rarely given, and yet GC acts as though he got punched in the mouth. Grow up dude, and get off yourself.

 

[Vulcan59]

... Heck, I have donated several times (and never received a thank you email, which I have to admit I considered a bit rude.)

FWIW, the few times that I have donated, I always got a thank you note. But when I made the donation, I made it because I truly felt that I had benefited from the material presented. In fact I sort of felt guilty that I was reading tons of material and not doing anything to contribute. And in a sense I wasn't expecting anything in return. It felt good (STS I know) that I could do something.

 

[Laura]

... Heck, I have donated several times (and never recieved a thank you email, which I have to admit I considered a bit rude.)

Well, as I said, we save EVERYTHING. Every email, every receipt, every scrap of paper. I found two emails that were sent to thank you for just writing to say hello. I didn't find a single paypal donation, but maybe you used worldpay. If that is the case, then no, you don't get a thank you because the transaction is handled by an international bank and we know next to nothing about it since the information is confidential unless an order is made and we receive the info needed to fill it.

What strikes me is that you have really been cooking up a long-term grudge for some reason. The only reason I can divine out of all you have written is that you expected to be received as some sort of savior and you weren't and you can't forgive me for that.

In reading back over your emails, that does come across. You are very focused on being a "star" of some sort in the Cassiopaea constellation and you went to all kinds of lengths to convince me that you were and that I would be rejecting a destined "savior of the world" if I did not take you at your word.

But frankly (let's be frank, shall we?) your entire manner, attitude, the way you talked, your foul language and crude discourse - not to mention the subjects of same - was such a turn-off that it was difficult for us to get through the visit.

Again: we were content to be polite for the duration of the visit and once you were gone, to continue our way and let you go yours. Too bad you did not offer us the same courtesy. The only reason I can divine out of all you have written is that you expected to be received as some sort of savior and you weren't and you can't forgive me for that.

May I also suggest that, in addition to creating your own website and doing your own thing, you might want to go hang out with Vincent Bridges and crowd. I'm sure you will have a lot to offer them and they will be thrilled to have the inside scoop from someone who has actually been in my house. Attacking and defaming me gives them a reason to live and you should fit right in.

If people like you weren't attacking me, I'd worry that I had lost my way.

 

[ark]

There is a reason that physical hardship is part of most spiritual practices (Including some of Gurdjueff's exercises I might add.

Well, if so, why don't you start your own school, doing better than Gurdjieff?

He should have drank less and made better use of them.).

Well, if so, why don't you start your own school, doing better than Gurdjieff? No Armagnac, no cigarettes, just physical exercises. But I think the aerobic schools do jsut that?

I would not make the statement unless it has happened to me consistantly enough to confirm that it aids in both concentration and will. These aspect will greatly inhance ones ability to have metaphysical experiences much like both the C's sessions and the Ra material suggest.

Sure. You will get some metaphysical experiences. But the question is: of what quality? How that would add to the Knowledge? A sniper shooting at people needs to have will and concentration. What is the use of will and concentration when there is no knowledge, no service to others?

GC: I am not defending my profession. Honestly, I can't wait for the world to decend into chaos so I can leave it. I am stating that it has it's merits to aid in meditation and viewing of the self so that you can seek further into the void of the self, which is part of everything.

I see it as rather selfish, ego oriented. Read it again: "I can't wait for the world to decend into chaos so I can leave it. " I f so, why are you doing these all "exercises". If you stop doing them, perhaps you will leave the world sooner, and you will not have to way that long?
But I am not sure if you will see the contradictions in your reasoning.

GC: Worthy of? I don't get it. Much along the lines of Ark saying he is an award winning physicist, I am stating that when I say I know something about how to properly maintain the physical vehicle due it survival, I am stating just that.

But, you see, the body is less important. The soul is. What is better: to live a healthy life and do nothing for other people (short of teaching them how to live healthy lifes etc), or to DO something that counts or, at least, that has a chance to count?

There are ego-oriented ways, and there are other ways, where ego is not important, what is important is adding to the existing pool of knowledge. And here seems to be your weakness. You should judge your own accomplishments not on the basis of your physical fitness or life habits, but on the basis of how much did you add to the knowledge, how many puzzles did you solve? How many important new things did you notice and shared with others. These are the results that really count. All the rest is of a secondary relevance.

When you will start working in THIS direction, you dimm view of the world will also change. You will not wish to leave this world soon (which is egotism), rather you would work VERY hard in order to do as much good as possible in your life. And you certainly know that in this non-linear world what YOU do (or cease to do) may essentially affect the future of the whole Universe.

 

[ark]

After his last post, that I deleted, I moved GC to the no-post category. This forum has better things to do than concentrate upon Grey Cats - pretty egotistic creatures (though it is not their "fault")

P.S. After some little contemplation, I deleted GC from this forum as well. It should help him to find another, "better", place.

To listen to The Old Grey Cat: go here :)

 

[Nathan]

The cheese, a mouse is drawn.
The picture, drawn with a mouse.

:D

 

[Jacques]

Yes, it is an incomplete system, but not for the reason you suggest. It is incomplete because those who complete it don't come back to share it as he did. It was a sacrifice for him to do that, and don't ever forget it. And it is the same for me. I could very easily devote myself to just my own evolution and transition, but because I love my children, my friends, and so many others, I have chosen, as a duty, as a form of conscious suffering to NOT do that.

Thank you so much Laura. These are no words that i know that could really say how much grateful i am.

The only thing that i can say more than thank you very much is i will do all my best to follow your guidance.

 

[mada85]

Apologies if I have repeated any observations made elsewhere - I wrote this post before reading other replies to GreyCat's recent post.

If you notice, most of your rsponses are ripe with insults.

I read the same responses from Joe and I did not see any insults. I saw honest feedback with little or no 'noise'. Perhaps that's why it looked to you like insults.

Gurdjieff died Joe, he died of alcohol related health problems. If his philosophy was sound, had he really seen into who and what he was, would he not have prolonged his life?

Amazing! The great GreyCat knows better than one of the greatest masters who ever lived on this planet, what said master should or should not have done! How do you know what G would or would not have done? Do you have access to G's soul? You are presupposing that the goal of the work is to prolong the life of the body.

[Gurdjieff's] is an incomplete system.

It does appear, from a direct comparison with the work of Mouravieff, that what you say is true. However, the system that we have from Gurdjieff is given to us, not in G's own words, but in the words of Ouspensky recollecting what G said.

I was also exhausted from an groin pull several weeks earlier

I have to wonder - if you move your own body in such a way as to allow injuries, can you truly help someone else to move in a way that prevents them?

Joe: "It is interesting that you chose to respond with defensiveness rather than thinking about what I said to you. It is somewhat of a classic self-calming maneuver for someone to respond to something that someone sees in us by pointing out that "well, we all have these problems. If we all have these problems, then "there is no reason to highlight mine."

I fail to see how admitting that I also run my own programs is being defensive. I wrote: "We are all loaded with programs. There is no end to that assumption. What is to say you aren't running just different programs? I have never denied that I run programs. You just observe the program and eventually it falls away, to be replaced by a more effiecient program that you need to disect to reach a higher understanding"

I fail to see how you can so so stubbornly misunderstand what Joe is saying. He is correct - what you wrote is a classic self-calming manoeuvre.

There is a reason that physical hardship is part of most spiritual practices (Including some of Gurdjueff's exercises I might add. He should have drank less and made better use of them.).

It seems you are desperate for physical immortality and self flagellation.

How do you know G didn't make the best possible use of his exercises or what G 'should' have done? You are judging G based on your own assumptions. You keep bringing everything back to the physical level, which leads me to wonder if you are an OP? Precisely what is the reason that physical hardship is part of most spiritual practice? You offer no evidence and this sounds like self-justifying waffle designed to impress others with your esoteric knowledge, something I have noticed in other posts you have written.

Wow Joe, and I suppose picasso's stuff was all just squiggly lines as well.

Yes it was and is, and most of his work is quite disturbing to look at for any length of time. Picasso had appalling notions about women. Did you know that at one time he 'branded' his current amour with a lighted cigarette?

Humor is very powerful, Joe, and it's sad to see you belittle both it and me. It makes you seem very cold.

I agree. Humour is very powerful. Joe isn't belittling humour - have you read any of his articles on SOTT? Joe has a wonderful sense of humour. He is belittling, if that is the right word, playing the clown, which is something completely different from humour.

Mundane...so very sad Joe that you can belittle someone so.

I don't see any belittling going here. Joe is giving you feedback without noise. You are trying to belittle and insult Joe, with whom you clearly have very strong personal issues.

And it's no small chore to ready body posture, eye contact, and general mood when interacting with somone.

This shocks me. You say that it's 'no small chore' for you to read body posture etc. Why would it be hard work for you? Could it be that you are so out of touch with your own body that you cannot read the bodies of others? I get a very strange sense of disconnection between what you do and what you say. You think of yourself as a great healer and benefactor of humanity and yet you cannot even read body postures and so on without it being hard work. Perhaps this is an assumption on my part, but I would expect someone who professes the ability to help another person, in the way you suggest you can, to have the ability to understand the body of another.

GreyCat, you come across as one consumed by self importance, who cannot take simple observation delivered with clarity and honesty, without reacting with bitterness and gall. It seems your screen name is well chosen, I can just see the grey cat spitting and hissing as the fireman tries to help it out of the tree.

 

[mada85]

Yes, it is an incomplete system, but not for the reason you suggest. It is incomplete because those who complete it don't come back to share it as he did. It was a sacrifice for him to do that, and don't ever forget it. And it is the same for me. I could very easily devote myself to just my own evolution and transition, but because I love my children, my friends, and so many others, I have chosen, as a duty, as a form of conscious suffering to NOT do that.

Dear Laura - I want to add a note of my deepest gratitude to you for this, for your work, for SoTT, and for helping my awakening. For years I was into newage (to rhyme with sewage) and one day, in the Planetary Activation Organisation forum on Yahoo, I came across a reference to Cassiopaea and a little bell rang in my mind; from there I found your work. Nothing else has helped me to wake up to the reality of this world as has your work.

Thank you.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Laura, you may want to look into amino acid therapies. Combined with MSM (methylsulfonylmethane - the organic form of the mineral sulfur, the kind your body can absorb and use) it may just do the trick for overcoming debilitating injuries, as well as overall improvement in physiological functioning. I have had some impressive results with these in my family. If you are interested, there are a couple of good books to start with: The Amino Revolution: The Breakthrough Program That Will Change the Way You Feel by Robert Erdmann, Ph.d. with Merion Jones and The MSM Miracle: Enhance Your Health with Organic Sulfur by Earl L. Mindell, R.Ph., Ph.D. These two books are written for the layman as self help therapies. There is also Amino Acids in Therapy: A Guide to the Therapeutic Application of Protein Constituents by Leon Chaitow, D.O., N.D. written more for therapists/naturopathic doctors.

Briefly, amino acids are the building blocks of the long chains of protein molecules which are the constituents of all of the body’s cells and tissues. There are somewhere between 20 and 28 identified amino acids, broken down into essential (body does not synthesize, must be provided in diet) and non-essential (the body can synthesize if proper nutrients are present, etc.). They are central to the biochemistry of the body. They are crucial to proper hormone, enzyme, and neurotransmitter production and utilization, as well as the whole daily anabolic/catabolic cycle (construction and regeneration of new protein structures {& enzymes & hormones} vs. destructive phase where existing proteins are torn down and enzymes & hormones dismantled).

It is important to take free-form amino acids (not protein powders/drinks) and that start with L-, for example L-Histidine, because isomers (chemically identical, but physically different {like mirror images}) exist for all amino acids (except for Glycine) that will start with D-, e.g. D-Methionine. You can take a complete blend of around 18 to 22 free form amino acids as well as 1 to 5 individual ones in combination for your specific conditions/problems, and if combined with their cofactors of specific vitamins and minerals, it may just get you to a point where you can get back enough physical vitality and increased energy to continue your very important work without such obstacles as physical ailments.

You may purchase all your amino acids and MSM from JoMar Laboratories, 583-B Division Street, Campbell, CA 95008, 800-538-4545 or 408-374-5920, fax: 408-374-5922, www.jomarlabs.com info@jomarlabs.com, as well as the books mentioned, if you can’t find them anywhere else. Jo Mar Labs is supposed to be a source of safe, non-polluted supplements; they come in powder form or capsules.

Also you may want to check into Dr. Hulda R. Clark’s information, such as the book The Cure for All Diseases, where you can learn about an herbal parasite killing program combined with an electronic "zapper" for killing parasites. In this book there is also information about herbal recipes for cleansing the kidneys and one for cleansing the liver, which can bring great benefits. Your liver must be parasite free before the liver cleanse, and it is recommended to do the kidney cleanse before the liver cleanse. There is much more information about this in the following thread:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5069&p=4

Go to my post #37 on page 4

I hope this can help some of your problems, if you choose to research and try it.

As to where the rest of this thread has got to, it is a familiar pattern of (GreyCat, in this case) going from defensiveness and some arrogance into an offensive attack. It is simply amazing that he held a grudge so long and only showed his "true colors" after all this time. It is also kind of creepy to think that he stayed at your house with such an agenda and capable of such devious tactics to get what he was after.

Laura, again, thank you for all of your sacrifices and the wealth of invaluable information you have gathered and presented, as well as the group of people which have formed as a result.

 

[Laura]

you may want to look into amino acid therapies

Thanks for this. I have ordered a couple of books and will be reading up on it. I do have a small selection of amino acids that I take now and again for my heart but never thought about the idea that they could be useful in other respects.

As for Hulda Clark, we have been following that for years now. Many cleanses done, have three zappers and have used them quite a bit over the years, etc.

Again, thanks for the info. I'll be looking into it!

 

[Niall]

I mean, I know your Irish, and the circus scene there is still pretty backward (I worked there for six months, so I can say that.)

Buster, you don't wanna mess with the Irish

I suppose I could assigne the same phrase for a guy who surfs the internet all day, chain smokes, and waits for the end of the world.

Yeh? And? So? What? He has already accomplished more than you ever will.

Heck, I have donated several times (and never recieved a thank you email, which I have to admit I considered a bit rude.).

Well ex-CUSE me! Listen, don't worry about recognition: if I'm still around post-cataclysm, I'll see to it that a plaque is erected in your honour.

“Here Raptured Grey Cat
Beloved by All, He Gave His All

O, and he contributed generously to SotT"

ad nauseum

Were any at SOTT aware that Greycat was the clown who visited the chateau some years ago? Perhaps you let him be on the forum until he showed his true colours? Either way, 'twas interesting seeing his programs, thanks everyone.

Funny how this thread was opened in appreciation for something Joe had helped us see in the context of the 'Bucketman-psychic-network' thread...

The idea that "we are the darkness from which we flee" sounds very much like the new age disinfo that is so prevalent these days. The "darkness" is a "foreign installation" to be fought and overcome, not "integrated" or "not looked at" in order to make it go away.

... but ended up becoming the stage for GC's theatrics in which a long-held grudge – against Joe! - played out.

 

[Miss Isness]

Laura,

Sorry you had to go through this.


Joe,

You were more than patient.

Gray Cat,

It's your bomb.

 

[Joe]

I mean, I know your Irish, and the circus scene there is still pretty backward (I worked there for six months, so I can say that.)

Buster, you don't wanna mess with the Irish

I suppose I could assigne the same phrase for a guy who surfs the internet all day, chain smokes, and waits for the end of the world.

Not that it is of any consequence, but I don't chain smoke. Probably have about two or three roll-my-own a day, and then only when I am concentrating on something. When I'm not, I can go weeks without. More of a hobby than a habit for me. I have a theory that it's loosely based on being an A-blood type. No absolutes of course.

Joe

 

[Nathan]

Not that it is of any consequence, but I don't chain smoke.

Well, it was obviously an effort to make a caricature out of you using ridiculous exaggerations. These exaggerations also seemed apparent in a great deal of what Grey Cat said. I took his account of events in general as either twisted out of context or completely false, and I'm sure most forum readers did the same.