John Kaminski Goes Off the Deep End
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Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
We learn not only about ourselves from these discussions, but by examining the tactics, manipulations and doublespeak, etc.. of people like Kaminski and others in various threads on this forum, we learn how to PROTECT ourselves.
We learn how to avoid or STOP being food for psychopaths, narcissists, etc...
We can learn and grow here, and as Henry pointed out, it's important to not only question the ideas of others, but we must also be open to questioning our own ideas.
It's called LEARNING.
We learn how to avoid or STOP being food for psychopaths, narcissists, etc...
We can learn and grow here, and as Henry pointed out, it's important to not only question the ideas of others, but we must also be open to questioning our own ideas.
It's called LEARNING.
Exactly so. In short, conserving that "positive universal energy" and keeping psychopaths and narcissists from eating it and using it for evil.Lisa said:
However, following the advice of Melcheesideck, one would only end up being food for deviants. But then, maybe that is Mel's agenda? Hunting...
Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
Here ye, here ye...
According to Kaminski's latest piece, HAPPINESS is what will save us. He also added at the end of the following piece for people to "flood him with donations". (Removed by me because of its tackiness.)
According to JK, gratitude leads to happiness and happiness will save us. So I guess we're supposed to flood JK with $$$, and FLOOD was the word he used - so that his "gratitude" will make everybody happy, most notably John himself....LOL.
Funny, where was this "gratitude-that-makes-John-happy" when SOTT was helping him?
Lisa
__________________________________________________________________________________________
The way the world should be
What Chuang Tzu's recluse
told the Marquis Wu of Wei
By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
'He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the
help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do that, then he
should do it with his tongue; abhor it from his heart; and that is the
least of faith.'
- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Sahih Muslim Hadith 79
Corruption rules the world. What we can get away with is our highest
hope. Mark Twain said good luck is when the arrow hits the man next to
you. He also said, "Luck never gives, it only lends."
CITIZEN EVACUATION UPDATE (prognosis for AD 2007): Scuttlebutt from
Naval Intelligence: The global warming scare will facilitate the
implementation of microwave devices throughout the world that will
enable the corporate controllers to beam electric pulses into the
brains of everyone nearby, as is now being done in Iraq, scrambling the
brains of U.S. troops as well as the besieged locals. This scenario
could happen in the U.S. unless you believe that America has an honest
government still actually working for the people, in which case you
should ignore all this and let it catch you unawares. Have you noticed
all those new cameras at your local intersections? That means the
towers are probably in place in your area.
Also, during the inevitable mass insurrections about to occur, be
prepared for fentanyl drops from Blackwater helicopters like the stuff
that killed hundreds in a Moscow theater. Don't be surprised. Your life
has already been on the line for longer than you know. Everyone should
be buying facemasks at this point.
The great Neocon dislocation is about to begin. The great
anesthetization. Tribulation, perhaps. I guess, really, that it
happened some time ago and I am very late in reporting it.
Two thousand five hundred years ago, Chuang Tzu recounted the story a
recluse told to the Marquis Wu of Wei:
"Haven't you ever heard about the men who are exiled?' A few days after
they have left their homelands, they are delighted if they come across
an old acquaintance. When a few weeks or a month have passed, they are
delighted if they come across someone they had known by sight when they
were at home. And by the time a year has passed, they are delighted if
they come across someone who even looks as though he might be a
countryman. The longer they are away from their countrymen, the more
deeply they long for them - isn't that it? A man who has fled into the
wilderness, where goosefoot and woodbine tangle the little trails of
the polecat and the weasel, and has lived there in emptiness and
isolation for a long time, will be delighted if he hears so much as the
rustle of a human footfall. And how much more so if he hears his own
brothers and kin chattering and laughing at his side! It has been a
long time, I think, since one who speaks like a True Man has sat
chattering and laughing at our ruler's side."
The Wandering Boy who hid in libraries found the library of his dreams
in cyberspace and learned more in a few years that he had learned in
his entire life, read on:
The recluse, Hsi! Wu-kuei, said, "Heaven and earth provide nourishment
for all things alike. To have ascended to a high position cannot be
considered an advantage; to live in lowliness cannot be considered a
handicap. Now you, as sole ruler of this land of ten thousand chariots,
may tax the resources of the entire populace of your realm in
nourishing the appetites of your ears and eyes, your nose and mouth.
But the spirit will not permit such a way of life. The spirit loves
harmony and hates licentiousness. Licentiousness is a kind of sickness,
and that is why I have come to offer my comfort. I just wonder, my
lord, how aware you are of your own sickness?"
Marquis Wu said, "I have in fact been hoping to see you for a long
time, Sir. I would like to cherish my people, practice righteousness,
and lay down the weapons of war - how would that do?"
So, two and half millennia later, you have to wonder why they call it
evolution. Chuang Tzu goes on ....
The unity of the Way is something that virtue can never master; what
understanding does not understand is something that debate can never
encompass. To apply names in the manner of the Confucians and Mo-ists
is to invite evil. The sea does not refuse the rivers that come flowing
eastward into it - it is the perfection of greatness.
The sage embraces all heaven and earth, and his bounty extends to the
whole world, yet no one knows who he is or what family he belongs to.
For this reason, in life he holds no titles, in death he receives no
posthumous names. Realities do not gather about him, names do not stick
to him - this is what is called the Great Man.
We must believe that where we are is real in order to live at all, and
in order to do that, we must take control of it as best we can.
The foot treads a very small area of the ground, but although the area
is small, the foot must rely upon the support of the untrod ground all
around before it can go forward in confidence. The understanding of man
is paltry, but although it is paltry, it must rely upon all those
things that it does not understand before it can understand what is
meant by Heaven. To understand the Great Unity, to understand the Great
Yin, to understand the Great Eye, to understand the Great Equality, to
understand the Great Method, to understand the Great Trust, to
understand the Great Serenity - this is perfection. With the Great
Unity you may penetrate it; with the Great Yin, unknot it; with the
Great Eye, see it; with the Great Equality, follow it; with the Great
Method, embody it; with the Great Trust, reach it; with the Great
Serenity, hold it fast.
The great question keeps popping up: We know what the trouble is, but
what are we going to do about it?
End with what is Heavenly, follow what is bright, hide in what is
pivotal, begin in what is objective - then your com prehension will
seem like noncomprehension, your understanding will seem like no
understanding; not understanding it, you will later understand it. Your
questions about it cannot have a limit, and yet they cannot not have a
limit. Vague and slippery, there is yet some reality there. Past and
present, it does not alter - nothing can do it injury. We may say that
there is one great goal, may we not? Why not inquire about it?
It is most important to be precise in your perceptions. See things for
what they really are. Although it is exceedingly difficult to choose
among issues upon which to focus in this overdeveloped age of
cyberinformation, cut to the chase.
Realize that our bond with the planet has been severed by abstraction.
We have projected the very images of our worst nightmares into
third-dimensional reality, and the result is a plethora of plastic
poisons that foul our seas and undermine our genetic structures.
This ubiquitous black cloud of our own nightmares, now vividly
manifested in reality, consumes the planet and asphyxiates all living
species with its nauseating synthetic flatulence. The real human aroma
smells like shit.
As humans, we have lost control of our structures and ourselves to
clever puppeteers who are cynical about what they really believe, and
as a consequence, prey on their brethren for profit. This cost is
intolerable to all except those who participate in the scam.
The human being alone among all earthborne lifeforms has the power to
determine the fate of the planet. Will this responsibility be totally
erased by the fear that is engendered by the temporality of existence?
The only way out is to realize what an honor and a privilege it has
been for me to do all this, and I thank you for that.
Gratitude is the pathway to happiness. Learn from the mistakes you
observe. The truth is actually in the error, sitting there for all to
see and learn from.
The human race must make a choice, and soon. It must decide that
happiness, and not fear, is the most important thing. Our fear is
killing us, only our happiness will save us.
To make happiness reign beyond the sun for as long as the future shall
be is the goal we must follow if we are to survive as a species. It's
not that hard to do. All you have to do is love someone and simply
respect that they are on the same path as us. And that is the way of
the universe.
Otherwise we are lost in the foul odor of our own desires, and don't
deserve to survive.
According to Kaminski's latest piece, HAPPINESS is what will save us. He also added at the end of the following piece for people to "flood him with donations". (Removed by me because of its tackiness.)
According to JK, gratitude leads to happiness and happiness will save us. So I guess we're supposed to flood JK with $$$, and FLOOD was the word he used - so that his "gratitude" will make everybody happy, most notably John himself....LOL.
Funny, where was this "gratitude-that-makes-John-happy" when SOTT was helping him?
Lisa
__________________________________________________________________________________________
The way the world should be
What Chuang Tzu's recluse
told the Marquis Wu of Wei
By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
'He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the
help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do that, then he
should do it with his tongue; abhor it from his heart; and that is the
least of faith.'
- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Sahih Muslim Hadith 79
Corruption rules the world. What we can get away with is our highest
hope. Mark Twain said good luck is when the arrow hits the man next to
you. He also said, "Luck never gives, it only lends."
CITIZEN EVACUATION UPDATE (prognosis for AD 2007): Scuttlebutt from
Naval Intelligence: The global warming scare will facilitate the
implementation of microwave devices throughout the world that will
enable the corporate controllers to beam electric pulses into the
brains of everyone nearby, as is now being done in Iraq, scrambling the
brains of U.S. troops as well as the besieged locals. This scenario
could happen in the U.S. unless you believe that America has an honest
government still actually working for the people, in which case you
should ignore all this and let it catch you unawares. Have you noticed
all those new cameras at your local intersections? That means the
towers are probably in place in your area.
Also, during the inevitable mass insurrections about to occur, be
prepared for fentanyl drops from Blackwater helicopters like the stuff
that killed hundreds in a Moscow theater. Don't be surprised. Your life
has already been on the line for longer than you know. Everyone should
be buying facemasks at this point.
The great Neocon dislocation is about to begin. The great
anesthetization. Tribulation, perhaps. I guess, really, that it
happened some time ago and I am very late in reporting it.
Two thousand five hundred years ago, Chuang Tzu recounted the story a
recluse told to the Marquis Wu of Wei:
"Haven't you ever heard about the men who are exiled?' A few days after
they have left their homelands, they are delighted if they come across
an old acquaintance. When a few weeks or a month have passed, they are
delighted if they come across someone they had known by sight when they
were at home. And by the time a year has passed, they are delighted if
they come across someone who even looks as though he might be a
countryman. The longer they are away from their countrymen, the more
deeply they long for them - isn't that it? A man who has fled into the
wilderness, where goosefoot and woodbine tangle the little trails of
the polecat and the weasel, and has lived there in emptiness and
isolation for a long time, will be delighted if he hears so much as the
rustle of a human footfall. And how much more so if he hears his own
brothers and kin chattering and laughing at his side! It has been a
long time, I think, since one who speaks like a True Man has sat
chattering and laughing at our ruler's side."
The Wandering Boy who hid in libraries found the library of his dreams
in cyberspace and learned more in a few years that he had learned in
his entire life, read on:
The recluse, Hsi! Wu-kuei, said, "Heaven and earth provide nourishment
for all things alike. To have ascended to a high position cannot be
considered an advantage; to live in lowliness cannot be considered a
handicap. Now you, as sole ruler of this land of ten thousand chariots,
may tax the resources of the entire populace of your realm in
nourishing the appetites of your ears and eyes, your nose and mouth.
But the spirit will not permit such a way of life. The spirit loves
harmony and hates licentiousness. Licentiousness is a kind of sickness,
and that is why I have come to offer my comfort. I just wonder, my
lord, how aware you are of your own sickness?"
Marquis Wu said, "I have in fact been hoping to see you for a long
time, Sir. I would like to cherish my people, practice righteousness,
and lay down the weapons of war - how would that do?"
So, two and half millennia later, you have to wonder why they call it
evolution. Chuang Tzu goes on ....
The unity of the Way is something that virtue can never master; what
understanding does not understand is something that debate can never
encompass. To apply names in the manner of the Confucians and Mo-ists
is to invite evil. The sea does not refuse the rivers that come flowing
eastward into it - it is the perfection of greatness.
The sage embraces all heaven and earth, and his bounty extends to the
whole world, yet no one knows who he is or what family he belongs to.
For this reason, in life he holds no titles, in death he receives no
posthumous names. Realities do not gather about him, names do not stick
to him - this is what is called the Great Man.
We must believe that where we are is real in order to live at all, and
in order to do that, we must take control of it as best we can.
The foot treads a very small area of the ground, but although the area
is small, the foot must rely upon the support of the untrod ground all
around before it can go forward in confidence. The understanding of man
is paltry, but although it is paltry, it must rely upon all those
things that it does not understand before it can understand what is
meant by Heaven. To understand the Great Unity, to understand the Great
Yin, to understand the Great Eye, to understand the Great Equality, to
understand the Great Method, to understand the Great Trust, to
understand the Great Serenity - this is perfection. With the Great
Unity you may penetrate it; with the Great Yin, unknot it; with the
Great Eye, see it; with the Great Equality, follow it; with the Great
Method, embody it; with the Great Trust, reach it; with the Great
Serenity, hold it fast.
The great question keeps popping up: We know what the trouble is, but
what are we going to do about it?
End with what is Heavenly, follow what is bright, hide in what is
pivotal, begin in what is objective - then your com prehension will
seem like noncomprehension, your understanding will seem like no
understanding; not understanding it, you will later understand it. Your
questions about it cannot have a limit, and yet they cannot not have a
limit. Vague and slippery, there is yet some reality there. Past and
present, it does not alter - nothing can do it injury. We may say that
there is one great goal, may we not? Why not inquire about it?
It is most important to be precise in your perceptions. See things for
what they really are. Although it is exceedingly difficult to choose
among issues upon which to focus in this overdeveloped age of
cyberinformation, cut to the chase.
Realize that our bond with the planet has been severed by abstraction.
We have projected the very images of our worst nightmares into
third-dimensional reality, and the result is a plethora of plastic
poisons that foul our seas and undermine our genetic structures.
This ubiquitous black cloud of our own nightmares, now vividly
manifested in reality, consumes the planet and asphyxiates all living
species with its nauseating synthetic flatulence. The real human aroma
smells like shit.
As humans, we have lost control of our structures and ourselves to
clever puppeteers who are cynical about what they really believe, and
as a consequence, prey on their brethren for profit. This cost is
intolerable to all except those who participate in the scam.
The human being alone among all earthborne lifeforms has the power to
determine the fate of the planet. Will this responsibility be totally
erased by the fear that is engendered by the temporality of existence?
The only way out is to realize what an honor and a privilege it has
been for me to do all this, and I thank you for that.
Gratitude is the pathway to happiness. Learn from the mistakes you
observe. The truth is actually in the error, sitting there for all to
see and learn from.
The human race must make a choice, and soon. It must decide that
happiness, and not fear, is the most important thing. Our fear is
killing us, only our happiness will save us.
To make happiness reign beyond the sun for as long as the future shall
be is the goal we must follow if we are to survive as a species. It's
not that hard to do. All you have to do is love someone and simply
respect that they are on the same path as us. And that is the way of
the universe.
Otherwise we are lost in the foul odor of our own desires, and don't
deserve to survive.
Lisa Guliani
The Living Force
~~~~~~~~~~~Enter Jay Weidner, Stage left~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Tuesday, October 31st, we at WING TV discussed the recent hacking of our website, the ongoing smear attacks against me and Thorn, and the ongoing smearjob attacks being perpetrated against Laura, Ark & SOTT over the last 5 years. Laura, Ark, et al have been taking a tremendous amount of heat, being painted as a "cult", marginalized and lied about, etc.. and they are not only being attacked lately by John Kaminski, but also in the past (still ongoing, apparently) by the 3 Amigos, Jay Weidner, Vinnie Bridges, and Jeff Rense.
Just a short while after the October 31st WING broadcast went online, I got a phone call from Jay Weidner.
This was my first contact with Mr. Weidner.
I took some notes pasted here below, but regrettably he was speaking so fast, I know I didn't catch ALL of what he said.
The following is the gist of the conversation:
Jay Weidner just called me.
He seemed to be in meltdown mode.
He was going on and on, saying he has not attacked Laura / Ark, he has apologized to both Laura / Ark, that the Jadczyks promised to take down the stuff on their website about him, but then they didn't.
also mentioned how Laura/Ark instead posted his emails to them, then saying he (Weidner) is a psychopath.
Weidner said he has no part in the attacks against the Jadczyks by Vinnie Bridges, and that he is not hooked up with Jeff Rense, and is NOT a friend of Jeff Rense.
JW states that he did meet Rense for two hours once, several years ago in Santa Barbara.
JW was talking a mile a minute, talking over me, and I had to raise my voice to cut in over him several times so I could get him to listen. He talks so you can't get a word in.
I asked him, if he is so sincere in what he is saying, that he is not involved and hasn't been involved in the attacks against the Jadczyks, why not contact Laura /Ark directly and clear up this little "misperception"?
He said Vinnie Bridges put his name on some documents but he didn't write them.
I said, Why would he do that?
JW: Because he is a psychopath!!
I asked him why he is calling me, and what exactly he wants from me.
He wanted to be on my show.
He said it repeatedly. Yeah, hold your breath.
I said, No - first you must clear up this mess with Laura & Ark - and you must do so PUBLICLY and so it cannot be misconstrued in any way whatsoever.
You need to publicly address the attacks against Laura by Vinnie Bridges, et al.
You need to address it again, if you are sincere in what you're saying.
JW's response: , "Aren't you interested in credible information?
Me: YES. How do I know what you're saying to me is credible information, sir?
I find Ark & Laura very credible. But there are a lot of non-credible people out there passing off a lot of b.s lies and saying that that, too, is "credible".
JW to me: Don't you know Ark worked for DARPA?
Aha. The DARPA Card. So I said, YES. I do know that.
How is that relevant to the attacks against Laura & Ark & SOTT going on in which you are named?
I asked him why he was trying to plant a seed of mistrust in me about Ark.
I repeated the question when he didn't answer it.
JW: I'm not, I'm not.
ME: Seems like it to me.
That was a red flag to me. So I said to him, are you next going to tell me that Laura & Ark & SOTT are a cult? He said, no. "I didn't say that."
I asked him, then what do you think they do?
He said (and I quote): "They are a group of people who do what they do."
So I repeated his own statement back to him.
I asked him what kind of answer was that?
And then I said, NO. They are a group of RESEARCHERS, Mr. Weidner.
You should know that already, right?
JW kept repeating that he has already apologized to the Jadczyks, and blah blah blah.
Me to JW: Well then, if everything between you and Laura & Ark is all hunky-dory, then you should have no problem contacting them directly if you think you are being misperceived. Correct?
JW: No, no, I already contacted them.
Me: When was that? When was the last time you contacted them?
JW: 2005.
Me: Well,perhaps you should contact them via email again and address your concerns with them.
JW was giving me lame excuses why he can't email Laura or Ark, such as he has no contact info, can't find their email address on the SOTT website, etc..
Plus, he kept saying " I already DID that!"
(referring to a few long ago, private apologies he made to the Jadczyks)
Over and over, I kept telling him he needs to publicly address any misperceptions involving himself, with those directly involved in a PUBLIC way that cannot be misconstrued. Weidner was very argumentative.
He kept resisting the idea of contacting Laura /Ark and he kept trying to get me to have him on our show.
No can do. Sorry Jay-boy.
I repeated AGAIN, that he must hash this all out with the Jadczyks, and that he should come out publicly against Vinnie Bridges, Jeff Rense, etc.. condemning them - and notably Bridges, for the attacks on Laura/Ark.
JW: Vinnie doesn't even know Rense.."
Me: "How do you know that, sir?"
JW: "Uh, well, he could know him, I guess.."
He said that Laura and Ark had accepted his previous apology.
Me: "Fine. If they've accepted your apology, then you should have no reason not to contact them and get this all out in the open. Right?"
JW: " But they put my emails on their website."
Me: "So what? You're say you're telling the truth, right? So big deal then. Once you send someone an email, it belongs to THEM. Why does it matter if they put your emails online on their website if you're being honest and you're sincere and have good intentions?"
I guess he couldn't figure out how to answer that one, so I asked him:
Do you think you're a good guy or a bad guy, Mr. Weidner? Are you a bad guy?"
JW: I don't know what I am.
Me: You don't know what you are?
What kind of answer is that, and how much confidence in what you're saying should that response inspire in me?
No response.
He did keep saying that Vinnie Bridges IS the TRUE villain who has fomented all the attacks, all the trouble.
Me: Your name keeps popping up all over the place in these attacks.
If you're not involved, then why does YOUR name keep appearing on Godlike Productions forum?
JW: Vinnie & Stormbear are doing that.
Vinnie, Vinnie, Vinnie, blah blah blah.
Me: Why don't you call the law if they are harassing or stalking you?
JW: I can't afford to call the law.
Me: It's free to call the authorities, sir.
I repeatedly had to bring him back to center, as he kept trying to divert off the point.
He then asked if I would contact Laura/Ark.
Me: Oh yes, I am certainly going to contact Laura& Ark. I said I would convey all that he expressed to me, and then I repeated again that he should address this matter publicly and denounce Bridges, et al. for all they've been doing.
JW: I have already! (repeated for the umpteenth time)
Me: Do it again then. And keep doing it, if you're for real and you have a conscience. Laura & Ark have been viciously attacked and smeared for FIVE years now. Don't you care, if you're being genuine?
If you're really sincere, then your actions will speak louder than your words.
So I really don't know why you're so resistant to the idea of addressing this publicly with Laura & Ark.
Why you're so reticent and resistant to contacting them and clearing your name once and for all, if you're being honest and you really are concerned about Laura.
If you have any conscience, this shouldn't be an issue for you.
But you sound to me like you're only concerned with yourself, not with what has been happening to Laura & Ark.
JW: Yes, I care. I have already done that. In 2005.
Me: Publicly denounce Bridges et al again, and keep doing that.
Actions, not words.
If everything is hashed out between you and Laura & Ark, then how come they still don't trust you, sir?
How come they do not trust you right now?
JW: Because of Vinnie Bridges....
Me: Are you suggesting that Laura & Ark are duped by Bridges? They are blaming you because Bridges has pulled one over on them? Are you suggesting that Laura & Ark are that clueless & non-discerning?
That's pretty funny, Jay.
I started laughing and he asked me what I was laughing about.
I said, that whole notion was very comical to me.
He said, "That's not funny."
I said, It certainly is to me...
))
I asked him why does it matter to him what I think of him.
JW: Doesn't it matter to you what other people think of you?
Me: I know I care about what people of conscience perceive of me. I care about what's real and true. I care about being able to live with myself. That's what matters to me. And I don't waste time worrying about what other people think of me, as long as I stick to what is real and true and don't stray from that path.
I can't control what other people think of me.
He called twice. His first call somehow disconnected.
Suddenly he wasn't on the other end of the line, and it was when he was in the middle of a sentence about Jon Benet Ramsey - someone doing research about her murder.
He called back.
He said he didn't disconnect and I know damn well I didn't disconnect.
He kept talking and talking and it reminded me of Bill O'Reilly.
spin, spin, spin... faster, faster, faster...
He said he can't call the Jadczyks to discuss this with them because he can't afford to call France.
Me: You can't afford a phone card? I'm poor and even I can afford a phone card, sir."
JW: "Ok, give me Laura's phone number and I'll call her."
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! AS IF!!!!!!!!
Me: Are you kidding me or what? I'm not going to give out their phone number. I'm not at liberty to just give out their phone number to you or to anyone. I have suggested to you repeatedly to contact them,
address them via email or directly in their forum, in front of everyone.
You keep resisting that idea, which doesn't exactly make me believe what you're telling me is the truth.
This went on for 15 minutes, maybe a few more than that...
Finally, he hung up. He sounded tired, like Dave Von Kleist sounded after trying to turn me round and round and trying to make me back off and those efforts failed. Same as Stadtmiller did when he called and tried to bully me.
This guy actually thought he could worm his way onto our show saying he wanted to defend himself against being called one of Laura's attackers. He also denied being Rense's friend.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Will I next be getting a call from Vinnie The Man himself?
_________________________________________________________________________________________
It gets better though: 1st email from Jay Weidner
This guy must have a rock for a head.
_________________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Victor and Lisa
I would really like to be given a chance to respond to the spurious
charges against me.
Because they have been leveled at me through your radio show I would
greatly appreciate the chance to respond in kind. I would answer any
and all questions put to me concerning the charges that you have
placed against me via the radio show. I think that it would not only
be a fair thing to do but it would show that you guys care about
letting all sides get heard. I hope you let me on the air.
Let me know and thanks for listening.
Jay Weidner
____________________________________________________________________________________
[Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:17:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lisa Guliani"
Subject: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
To: jayweidner@
Mr. Weidner,
In thinking over your phone calls of yesterday, our telephone conversation,and
your subsequent email,I think the answer to your last question regarding where a
rumor regarding any friendship between you and Jeff Rense originated, came from
political writer, John Kaminski.
Now, you stated to me on the phone that you are not now, and never have been friends
with Jeff Rense, and you only met him for two hours several years ago. If this is indeed
the case, we certainly don't want to misrepresent you or that brief association in any way.
So, in the interest of getting to the bottom of this matter once and for all,would you be
interested in writing up a brief piece for us regarding the untruth of the Weidner-Rense
friendship rumor, basically restating what you said to me on the phone yesterday?
It seems to me that this would be a good way to clear up any baseless rumors
and put an end to them. How does this sound to you?
Regarding Vinnie Bridges: If indeed you are not associating with Mr. Bridges in any way and
also want that matter publicly clarified and resolved, my suggestion is to include a list of specific
items you wish to renounce as far as anything that he's written, published and attributed falsely to
you. It is best to include active links, documentation, etc. and to be very clear in your statement,
so as not to be misconstrued.
If you truly show good faith toward the Jadczyks in this way,and still feel that you are being unfairly
misrepresented by Laura & Ark, please address that issue as well - again - including whatever necessary
documentation (links, etc..) so we can check out your information.
We are very willing to do this in the interest of accuracy, truth and fairness.
In light of your phone calls and email, this issue between you and the Jadczyks is now rather interesting,
and we'd like you to write us up something fresh, if you don't mind. Your statement needn't be saga-length, but should include all pertinent details with respect to your side of the story.
This includes the issue of the aforementioned rumor regarding your friendship with Jeff Rense.
Please be as clear and concise as possible and be sure to include documentation that substantiates
the things you refute. This is important, I believe, in getting to the bottom of this ongoing mess.
If we do find your information credible, we will most certainly publish it and will consider having you on
our program to publicly address all your main points.
Please let me know if the above idea sounds agreeable and reasonable to you.
I look forward to hearing from you, sir.
Best wishes,
Lisa Guliani
WING TV
http://www.wingtv.net/]
At this time, I emailed Laura & Ark and asked them to please weigh in and comment on Weidner's statements.
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In the meantime, Weidner had this to say in response to my email:
[From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:29:46 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
Hi Lisa
Thanks for your letter. It really shows that you are interested in the truth.
I don't need to say that much and I am not into attacking people
(except for the Bush administration). That said I think it is
important for everyone to understand that Jeff Rense and I are not,
or have ever, been friends. We are friendly, I guess, in a long
distance way. He has had me on his show a couple of times and he has
printed four or five of my many essays. As I told you he and I met
for a couple of hours in Santa Barbara in 1998, eight years ago, and
I have not seen him since. I appreciate what he does on his web site
and his radio show and I know nothing of his personal life or
background as he knows nothing of mine either.
As for Vincent Bridges that is a different story. When I foolishly
allowed him into my important research on Fulcanelli in 1997 I also
gave him a chance to appear on a national radio show hosted by my
good friend Laura Lee. Before his appearance on the show he sent her
an email with his biography. This is something that Laura Lee asked
of all her guests. The biography was exactly what he had already
told me about himself. That is that he had written for many national
magazines like Rolling Stone, High Times, and that he had written and
published a novel by DAW publishing.
It turned out that the entire biography was false. I am sure that
this did not make Laura Lee very happy and it permanently injured our
friendship. This false biography was only the beginning of the
nightmare which included him publishing a book by the two of us where
- to this day - I have not received any money even though 5000 copies
were sold.
A law suit is in the works.
There is so much more including the misunderstandings with Laura
Jadczyk and Ark, attacks on me by Stormbear Jeff Williams which
include threats on my life by him. But what is the point? Vincent
Bridges reputation now lies in tatters as it should.
I have not seen Mr. Bridges since 1999 when I kicked him out of my
house. I have no wish to communicate with him ever again. What is
the use - it would all be lies anyway.
Because of Mr. Bridges manipulation of events a lot of bad blood
went down between the Jadczyks and myself. He continues to use my
name in the attacks even though I have written numerous emails asking
him to stop.
However I have apologized to the Jadczyks in a very clear manner and
have stopped all such attacks. They have not accepted my apology and
continue to attack me and misconstrue my intentions.
Thanks for your time.
Jay Weidner
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Next Weidner email:
From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 08:45:18 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
Lisa
In your note you say that it was John Kaminski who told you that
Rense and I are friends. Did you actually hear him say this or did
you hear it from a third party?
Also why didn't you do any follow up on this before you ran with the
story? Ethical journalism requires at least two sources for a story
and no third party hearsay. I suppose it is possible that you just
believe everything that he says because he is a published writer. I
don't believe anyone and I always follow up before I run with
something.
Also I would still like the chance to go on your show and correct
what you and Victor have been saying. Certainly I deserve the chance
to defend myself against these untrue charges.
Let me know.
Jay
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Here is my emailed response to Jay Weidner:
Mr. Weidner, you said:
"In your note you say that it was John Kaminski who told you that
Rense and I are friends. Did you actually hear him say this or did
you hear it from a third party?"
I've highlighted all my responses for you.
Lisa: The information that I have is 100% credible and I also have
in my possession,a statement substantiating this which originates
directly from Rense himself, which totally contradicts what YOU have
stated to me regarding the "friendship" between the two of you.
(It is signed by Rense, though not addressed to me).
You also said:
"Also why didn't you do any follow up on this before you ran with the story?"
Lisa: I have involved myself in more followup on this matter than you apparently presume, sir.
You also said:
"Ethical journalism requires at least two sources for a story and no third party hearsay."
Lisa: According to MY research, sir, YOU appear to be unethical, by
allowing long diatribes signed and copyrighted by yourself to remain
on the internet, while you privately continue to deny to be their author.
What exactly do you expect me to think, Mr. Weidner?
Moreover,in light of the above, you aren't exactly the best qualified to give ME instructions
about what is ethical and what is not, wouldn't you agree?
I'm hoping you can see it from my perspective.
You go on to say:
"I suppose it is possible that you just believe everything that he says because he is a published writer.
I don't believe anyone and I always follow up before I run with something."
Lisa: My own research makes me strongly doubt your above statement.
You say:
"Also I would still like the chance to go on your show and correct what you and Victor have been saying.
Certainly I deserve the chance to defend myself against these untrue charges."
Lisa: It would be, in my opinion and as already previously suggested
to you, Mr. Weidner, a very good idea for you to clean up the very
mess that you've created. Please realize that if you fail to do this, any possible "show" may simply prove
to everybody exactly the opposite of what it is you seek: it may prove that you are dishonest, a liar.
And that is NOT what you have in mind, I strongly suspect.
Again, I've indicated to you already what I believe is the wisest
course for you and us to take, sir.
First, clear up the mess.
I do hope you understand what kind of "mess" I refer to.
In addition, I strongly suggest that you read this:
http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/jay_weidner_cult_freak.php
A question for you, sir:
I would very much like to know if you consider tantric practices
as less weird than say, using a Ouiji board?
Very much looking forward to your response, Mr. Weidner..
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Weidner's response:
[From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:08:22 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Lisa Guliani wrote:
>
> JW: "In your note you say that it was John Kaminski who told you that Rense and I are friends.
Did you actually hear him say this or did you hear it from a third party?"
>
> Lisa: The information that I have is 100% credible and I also have
> in my possession,a statement substantiating this which originates
> directly from Rense himself, which totally contradicts what YOU have
> stated to me regarding the "friendship" between the two of you.
> (It is signed by Rense, though not addressed to me).
JW: I would like to see that letter. I will also write to Jeff and see if he said this. Of course you have not produced the letter so I don't know if it is true. A better question might be what is Jeff's defination of friendship? Does a 2 hour meeting once constitute a friendship? Have you written to Rense to see if my story checks out? In what sense does this purported letter contradict me? Does it say that there are more than the one 2 hour meeting that we had? Did he send me get well card when I was in the hospital? Does he know that my mother died? Does he know how many children I have?, My wife's name?
This is what MY friend's know and do, how about you?
Who was this letter addressed to? Where did it originate? May I see it?
>
> JW said:
> "Also why didn't you do any follow up on this before you ran with the story?"
>
Lisa: I have involved myself in more followup on this matter than you apparently presume, sir.
>
> JW said:
>"Ethical journalism requires at least two sources for a story and no third party hearsay."
>
> Lisa: According to MY research, sir, YOU appear to be unethical, by
> allowing long diatribes signed and copyryghted by yourself to remain
> on the internet, while you privately continue to deny to be their author.
> What exactly do you expect me to think, Mr. Weidner?
> Moreover,in light of the above, you aren't exactly the best qualified to give ME instructions about what
> is ethical and what is not, wouldn't you agree? I'm hoping you can see it from my perspective.
JW: I did not write the letter that you say i wrote. Vincent Bridges wrote it and signed my name. I have written to him several times asking it to be taken down and he refuses. The letteris up only on Bridges site, not on any of mine. The writing style is not mine, the verbiage is not mine, it is an attacked fostered by Bridges in an attempt to get me and Laura fighting each other.
>
JW: "I suppose it is possible that you just believe everything that he says because he is a published writer.
I don't believe anyone and I always follow up before I run with something."
>
> Lisa: My own research makes me strongly doubt your above statement.
>
> JW: "Also I would still like the chance to go on your show and correct
> what you and Victor have been saying.
Certainly I deserve the chance to defend myself against these untrue charges."
>
> Lisa: It would be, in my opinion and as already previously suggested
> to you, Mr. Weidner, a very good idea for you to clean up the very
> mess that you've created. Please realize that if you fail to do this,
> any possible "show" may simply prove to everybody exactly the opposite
> of what it is you seek: it may prove that you are dishonest,a liar.
> And that is NOT what you have in mind, I strongly suspect.
>
> Again, I've indicated to you already what I believe is the wisest
> course for you and us to take, sir.
> First, clear up the mess.
> I do hope you understand what kind of "mess" I refer to.
I am trying to clean up this mess caused by Bridges and Jadczyk. What do you think I am doing?
>
> In addition, I strongly suggest that you read this:
>
> http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/jay_weidner_cult_freak.php
>
> A question for you, sir:
>I would very much like to know if you consider tantric practices as less weird than say, using a Ouiji board?
JW: As I didn't write it I don't have an answer.
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Subsequently, I received a bcc of my previous email to Weidner, which he apparently had forwarded to "someone", but since he bcc'd, I can't say for sure who that person is. 3 guesses...)
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And then, this from Weidner:
[From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:34:49 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
On Nov 4, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Lisa Guliani wrote:
>
> Mr. Weidner, you said:
> "I would like to see that letter."
>
> Lisa: No, I prefer to hold onto it for the time being.
> You have not, thus far,inspired in me any reason to trust you.
> Add to this the fact that you still need to clean up your mess.
>
> JW said:
> I did not write the letter that you say i wrote.
> Vincent Bridges wrote it and signed my name.
> I have written to him several times asking it to be taken down
> and he refuses. The letter is up only on Bridges site, not on
> any of mine. The writing style is not mine, the verbiage is not mine,
> it is an attacked fostered by Bridges in an attempt to get me and Laura
> fighting each other.
>
> Lisa: Sir, we can go round and round about this, but what's the point of circling the airport and never landing?
> The bottom line is:It does not matter what you say privately.
> PUBLICLY, it is copyrighted by "Jay Weidner"
>
> JW said:
> I am trying to clean up this mess caused by Bridges and Jadczyk.
> What do you think I am doing?
>
> Lisa: I suggest you stop "trying" and just DO what has been already
> suggested to you multiple times now in my previous responses.
>
> Regarding this question I asked previously:
>
> I would very much like to know if you consider tantric practices
> as less weird than say, using a Ouiji board?
>You replied: "As I didn't write it I don't have an answer."
>
> Lisa: Well, you can SAY that,but... nevertheless, later, in 2003, you wrote the following:
>Quote from Weidner:
> "I am a journalist and I am investigating the criminal activities of the Cassiopaea Cult.
This means that I am also writing a series of articles concerning the Cassiopaea Cult."
>
> Lisa: Do you confirm or deny this?
>
JW: In 2003, with the manipulation still going I wrote a private email saying that I was working on a series of articles - notice that I did not say that I had written any yet, - I was fully intending to write a series on them when I began to realize how serious a problem Mr Vincent Bridges was. I also paid for a web site that Vincent had a lot of crap up on in 2003. I changed the password on that site and took it down in June 2004.
All of this is making my point for me. I wrote to Laura and Ark in 2005 and said it was time to bury the hatchet and I was the first and only party to apologize. I never wrote any articles on them and I will not. But I do expect fair treatment by people on the outside looking in. Laura had called me a cointelpro agent hundreds of times all over the web without offering any evidence. Most of this is still up.
Despite this I still apologized for my behavior because that is the right thing to do. Just as trying to clear the record with you is also the right thing to do. There is no need for recriminations or anger. That would be playing into others hands. The truth is the only thing that matters.
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Finally (hopefully), I received a last email from Weidner. Notice how he just wouldn't contact Laura and Ark directly to clean up his own mess. He wanted me to do it for him and even suggested on the phone I call them FOR him.
[To: "Lisa Guliani"
From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: no hope
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:13:29 -0800
Lisa
I have reread your letters and I can only think that you are on
Laura's side and there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
I just expected some fairness from you.
I see no point in carrying on this conversation any further.
In peace,
Jay
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Impression of Jay Weidner: CAGEY.
Lisa
On Tuesday, October 31st, we at WING TV discussed the recent hacking of our website, the ongoing smear attacks against me and Thorn, and the ongoing smearjob attacks being perpetrated against Laura, Ark & SOTT over the last 5 years. Laura, Ark, et al have been taking a tremendous amount of heat, being painted as a "cult", marginalized and lied about, etc.. and they are not only being attacked lately by John Kaminski, but also in the past (still ongoing, apparently) by the 3 Amigos, Jay Weidner, Vinnie Bridges, and Jeff Rense.
Just a short while after the October 31st WING broadcast went online, I got a phone call from Jay Weidner.
This was my first contact with Mr. Weidner.
I took some notes pasted here below, but regrettably he was speaking so fast, I know I didn't catch ALL of what he said.
The following is the gist of the conversation:
Jay Weidner just called me.
He seemed to be in meltdown mode.
He was going on and on, saying he has not attacked Laura / Ark, he has apologized to both Laura / Ark, that the Jadczyks promised to take down the stuff on their website about him, but then they didn't.
also mentioned how Laura/Ark instead posted his emails to them, then saying he (Weidner) is a psychopath.
Weidner said he has no part in the attacks against the Jadczyks by Vinnie Bridges, and that he is not hooked up with Jeff Rense, and is NOT a friend of Jeff Rense.
JW states that he did meet Rense for two hours once, several years ago in Santa Barbara.
JW was talking a mile a minute, talking over me, and I had to raise my voice to cut in over him several times so I could get him to listen. He talks so you can't get a word in.
I asked him, if he is so sincere in what he is saying, that he is not involved and hasn't been involved in the attacks against the Jadczyks, why not contact Laura /Ark directly and clear up this little "misperception"?
He said Vinnie Bridges put his name on some documents but he didn't write them.
I said, Why would he do that?
JW: Because he is a psychopath!!
I asked him why he is calling me, and what exactly he wants from me.
He wanted to be on my show.
He said it repeatedly. Yeah, hold your breath.
I said, No - first you must clear up this mess with Laura & Ark - and you must do so PUBLICLY and so it cannot be misconstrued in any way whatsoever.
You need to publicly address the attacks against Laura by Vinnie Bridges, et al.
You need to address it again, if you are sincere in what you're saying.
JW's response: , "Aren't you interested in credible information?
Me: YES. How do I know what you're saying to me is credible information, sir?
I find Ark & Laura very credible. But there are a lot of non-credible people out there passing off a lot of b.s lies and saying that that, too, is "credible".
JW to me: Don't you know Ark worked for DARPA?
Aha. The DARPA Card. So I said, YES. I do know that.
How is that relevant to the attacks against Laura & Ark & SOTT going on in which you are named?
I asked him why he was trying to plant a seed of mistrust in me about Ark.
I repeated the question when he didn't answer it.
JW: I'm not, I'm not.
ME: Seems like it to me.
That was a red flag to me. So I said to him, are you next going to tell me that Laura & Ark & SOTT are a cult? He said, no. "I didn't say that."
I asked him, then what do you think they do?
He said (and I quote): "They are a group of people who do what they do."
So I repeated his own statement back to him.
I asked him what kind of answer was that?
And then I said, NO. They are a group of RESEARCHERS, Mr. Weidner.
You should know that already, right?
JW kept repeating that he has already apologized to the Jadczyks, and blah blah blah.
Me to JW: Well then, if everything between you and Laura & Ark is all hunky-dory, then you should have no problem contacting them directly if you think you are being misperceived. Correct?
JW: No, no, I already contacted them.
Me: When was that? When was the last time you contacted them?
JW: 2005.
Me: Well,perhaps you should contact them via email again and address your concerns with them.
JW was giving me lame excuses why he can't email Laura or Ark, such as he has no contact info, can't find their email address on the SOTT website, etc..
Plus, he kept saying " I already DID that!"
(referring to a few long ago, private apologies he made to the Jadczyks)
Over and over, I kept telling him he needs to publicly address any misperceptions involving himself, with those directly involved in a PUBLIC way that cannot be misconstrued. Weidner was very argumentative.
He kept resisting the idea of contacting Laura /Ark and he kept trying to get me to have him on our show.
No can do. Sorry Jay-boy.
I repeated AGAIN, that he must hash this all out with the Jadczyks, and that he should come out publicly against Vinnie Bridges, Jeff Rense, etc.. condemning them - and notably Bridges, for the attacks on Laura/Ark.
JW: Vinnie doesn't even know Rense.."
Me: "How do you know that, sir?"
JW: "Uh, well, he could know him, I guess.."
He said that Laura and Ark had accepted his previous apology.
Me: "Fine. If they've accepted your apology, then you should have no reason not to contact them and get this all out in the open. Right?"
JW: " But they put my emails on their website."
Me: "So what? You're say you're telling the truth, right? So big deal then. Once you send someone an email, it belongs to THEM. Why does it matter if they put your emails online on their website if you're being honest and you're sincere and have good intentions?"
I guess he couldn't figure out how to answer that one, so I asked him:
Do you think you're a good guy or a bad guy, Mr. Weidner? Are you a bad guy?"
JW: I don't know what I am.
Me: You don't know what you are?
What kind of answer is that, and how much confidence in what you're saying should that response inspire in me?
No response.
He did keep saying that Vinnie Bridges IS the TRUE villain who has fomented all the attacks, all the trouble.
Me: Your name keeps popping up all over the place in these attacks.
If you're not involved, then why does YOUR name keep appearing on Godlike Productions forum?
JW: Vinnie & Stormbear are doing that.
Vinnie, Vinnie, Vinnie, blah blah blah.
Me: Why don't you call the law if they are harassing or stalking you?
JW: I can't afford to call the law.
Me: It's free to call the authorities, sir.
I repeatedly had to bring him back to center, as he kept trying to divert off the point.
He then asked if I would contact Laura/Ark.
Me: Oh yes, I am certainly going to contact Laura& Ark. I said I would convey all that he expressed to me, and then I repeated again that he should address this matter publicly and denounce Bridges, et al. for all they've been doing.
JW: I have already! (repeated for the umpteenth time)
Me: Do it again then. And keep doing it, if you're for real and you have a conscience. Laura & Ark have been viciously attacked and smeared for FIVE years now. Don't you care, if you're being genuine?
If you're really sincere, then your actions will speak louder than your words.
So I really don't know why you're so resistant to the idea of addressing this publicly with Laura & Ark.
Why you're so reticent and resistant to contacting them and clearing your name once and for all, if you're being honest and you really are concerned about Laura.
If you have any conscience, this shouldn't be an issue for you.
But you sound to me like you're only concerned with yourself, not with what has been happening to Laura & Ark.
JW: Yes, I care. I have already done that. In 2005.
Me: Publicly denounce Bridges et al again, and keep doing that.
Actions, not words.
If everything is hashed out between you and Laura & Ark, then how come they still don't trust you, sir?
How come they do not trust you right now?
JW: Because of Vinnie Bridges....
Me: Are you suggesting that Laura & Ark are duped by Bridges? They are blaming you because Bridges has pulled one over on them? Are you suggesting that Laura & Ark are that clueless & non-discerning?
That's pretty funny, Jay.
I started laughing and he asked me what I was laughing about.
I said, that whole notion was very comical to me.
He said, "That's not funny."
I said, It certainly is to me...
))I asked him why does it matter to him what I think of him.
JW: Doesn't it matter to you what other people think of you?
Me: I know I care about what people of conscience perceive of me. I care about what's real and true. I care about being able to live with myself. That's what matters to me. And I don't waste time worrying about what other people think of me, as long as I stick to what is real and true and don't stray from that path.
I can't control what other people think of me.
He called twice. His first call somehow disconnected.
Suddenly he wasn't on the other end of the line, and it was when he was in the middle of a sentence about Jon Benet Ramsey - someone doing research about her murder.
He called back.
He said he didn't disconnect and I know damn well I didn't disconnect.
He kept talking and talking and it reminded me of Bill O'Reilly.
spin, spin, spin... faster, faster, faster...
He said he can't call the Jadczyks to discuss this with them because he can't afford to call France.
Me: You can't afford a phone card? I'm poor and even I can afford a phone card, sir."
JW: "Ok, give me Laura's phone number and I'll call her."
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! AS IF!!!!!!!!
Me: Are you kidding me or what? I'm not going to give out their phone number. I'm not at liberty to just give out their phone number to you or to anyone. I have suggested to you repeatedly to contact them,
address them via email or directly in their forum, in front of everyone.
You keep resisting that idea, which doesn't exactly make me believe what you're telling me is the truth.
This went on for 15 minutes, maybe a few more than that...
Finally, he hung up. He sounded tired, like Dave Von Kleist sounded after trying to turn me round and round and trying to make me back off and those efforts failed. Same as Stadtmiller did when he called and tried to bully me.
This guy actually thought he could worm his way onto our show saying he wanted to defend himself against being called one of Laura's attackers. He also denied being Rense's friend.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Will I next be getting a call from Vinnie The Man himself?
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It gets better though: 1st email from Jay Weidner
This guy must have a rock for a head.
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Hi Victor and Lisa
I would really like to be given a chance to respond to the spurious
charges against me.
Because they have been leveled at me through your radio show I would
greatly appreciate the chance to respond in kind. I would answer any
and all questions put to me concerning the charges that you have
placed against me via the radio show. I think that it would not only
be a fair thing to do but it would show that you guys care about
letting all sides get heard. I hope you let me on the air.
Let me know and thanks for listening.
Jay Weidner
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[Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:17:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lisa Guliani"
Subject: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
To: jayweidner@
Mr. Weidner,
In thinking over your phone calls of yesterday, our telephone conversation,and
your subsequent email,I think the answer to your last question regarding where a
rumor regarding any friendship between you and Jeff Rense originated, came from
political writer, John Kaminski.
Now, you stated to me on the phone that you are not now, and never have been friends
with Jeff Rense, and you only met him for two hours several years ago. If this is indeed
the case, we certainly don't want to misrepresent you or that brief association in any way.
So, in the interest of getting to the bottom of this matter once and for all,would you be
interested in writing up a brief piece for us regarding the untruth of the Weidner-Rense
friendship rumor, basically restating what you said to me on the phone yesterday?
It seems to me that this would be a good way to clear up any baseless rumors
and put an end to them. How does this sound to you?
Regarding Vinnie Bridges: If indeed you are not associating with Mr. Bridges in any way and
also want that matter publicly clarified and resolved, my suggestion is to include a list of specific
items you wish to renounce as far as anything that he's written, published and attributed falsely to
you. It is best to include active links, documentation, etc. and to be very clear in your statement,
so as not to be misconstrued.
If you truly show good faith toward the Jadczyks in this way,and still feel that you are being unfairly
misrepresented by Laura & Ark, please address that issue as well - again - including whatever necessary
documentation (links, etc..) so we can check out your information.
We are very willing to do this in the interest of accuracy, truth and fairness.
In light of your phone calls and email, this issue between you and the Jadczyks is now rather interesting,
and we'd like you to write us up something fresh, if you don't mind. Your statement needn't be saga-length, but should include all pertinent details with respect to your side of the story.
This includes the issue of the aforementioned rumor regarding your friendship with Jeff Rense.
Please be as clear and concise as possible and be sure to include documentation that substantiates
the things you refute. This is important, I believe, in getting to the bottom of this ongoing mess.
If we do find your information credible, we will most certainly publish it and will consider having you on
our program to publicly address all your main points.
Please let me know if the above idea sounds agreeable and reasonable to you.
I look forward to hearing from you, sir.
Best wishes,
Lisa Guliani
WING TV
http://www.wingtv.net/]
At this time, I emailed Laura & Ark and asked them to please weigh in and comment on Weidner's statements.
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In the meantime, Weidner had this to say in response to my email:
[From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:29:46 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
Hi Lisa
Thanks for your letter. It really shows that you are interested in the truth.
I don't need to say that much and I am not into attacking people
(except for the Bush administration). That said I think it is
important for everyone to understand that Jeff Rense and I are not,
or have ever, been friends. We are friendly, I guess, in a long
distance way. He has had me on his show a couple of times and he has
printed four or five of my many essays. As I told you he and I met
for a couple of hours in Santa Barbara in 1998, eight years ago, and
I have not seen him since. I appreciate what he does on his web site
and his radio show and I know nothing of his personal life or
background as he knows nothing of mine either.
As for Vincent Bridges that is a different story. When I foolishly
allowed him into my important research on Fulcanelli in 1997 I also
gave him a chance to appear on a national radio show hosted by my
good friend Laura Lee. Before his appearance on the show he sent her
an email with his biography. This is something that Laura Lee asked
of all her guests. The biography was exactly what he had already
told me about himself. That is that he had written for many national
magazines like Rolling Stone, High Times, and that he had written and
published a novel by DAW publishing.
It turned out that the entire biography was false. I am sure that
this did not make Laura Lee very happy and it permanently injured our
friendship. This false biography was only the beginning of the
nightmare which included him publishing a book by the two of us where
- to this day - I have not received any money even though 5000 copies
were sold.
A law suit is in the works.
There is so much more including the misunderstandings with Laura
Jadczyk and Ark, attacks on me by Stormbear Jeff Williams which
include threats on my life by him. But what is the point? Vincent
Bridges reputation now lies in tatters as it should.
I have not seen Mr. Bridges since 1999 when I kicked him out of my
house. I have no wish to communicate with him ever again. What is
the use - it would all be lies anyway.
Because of Mr. Bridges manipulation of events a lot of bad blood
went down between the Jadczyks and myself. He continues to use my
name in the attacks even though I have written numerous emails asking
him to stop.
However I have apologized to the Jadczyks in a very clear manner and
have stopped all such attacks. They have not accepted my apology and
continue to attack me and misconstrue my intentions.
Thanks for your time.
Jay Weidner
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Next Weidner email:
From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 08:45:18 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
Lisa
In your note you say that it was John Kaminski who told you that
Rense and I are friends. Did you actually hear him say this or did
you hear it from a third party?
Also why didn't you do any follow up on this before you ran with the
story? Ethical journalism requires at least two sources for a story
and no third party hearsay. I suppose it is possible that you just
believe everything that he says because he is a published writer. I
don't believe anyone and I always follow up before I run with
something.
Also I would still like the chance to go on your show and correct
what you and Victor have been saying. Certainly I deserve the chance
to defend myself against these untrue charges.
Let me know.
Jay
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Here is my emailed response to Jay Weidner:
Mr. Weidner, you said:
"In your note you say that it was John Kaminski who told you that
Rense and I are friends. Did you actually hear him say this or did
you hear it from a third party?"
I've highlighted all my responses for you.
Lisa: The information that I have is 100% credible and I also have
in my possession,a statement substantiating this which originates
directly from Rense himself, which totally contradicts what YOU have
stated to me regarding the "friendship" between the two of you.
(It is signed by Rense, though not addressed to me).
You also said:
"Also why didn't you do any follow up on this before you ran with the story?"
Lisa: I have involved myself in more followup on this matter than you apparently presume, sir.
You also said:
"Ethical journalism requires at least two sources for a story and no third party hearsay."
Lisa: According to MY research, sir, YOU appear to be unethical, by
allowing long diatribes signed and copyrighted by yourself to remain
on the internet, while you privately continue to deny to be their author.
What exactly do you expect me to think, Mr. Weidner?
Moreover,in light of the above, you aren't exactly the best qualified to give ME instructions
about what is ethical and what is not, wouldn't you agree?
I'm hoping you can see it from my perspective.
You go on to say:
"I suppose it is possible that you just believe everything that he says because he is a published writer.
I don't believe anyone and I always follow up before I run with something."
Lisa: My own research makes me strongly doubt your above statement.
You say:
"Also I would still like the chance to go on your show and correct what you and Victor have been saying.
Certainly I deserve the chance to defend myself against these untrue charges."
Lisa: It would be, in my opinion and as already previously suggested
to you, Mr. Weidner, a very good idea for you to clean up the very
mess that you've created. Please realize that if you fail to do this, any possible "show" may simply prove
to everybody exactly the opposite of what it is you seek: it may prove that you are dishonest, a liar.
And that is NOT what you have in mind, I strongly suspect.
Again, I've indicated to you already what I believe is the wisest
course for you and us to take, sir.
First, clear up the mess.
I do hope you understand what kind of "mess" I refer to.
In addition, I strongly suggest that you read this:
http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/jay_weidner_cult_freak.php
A question for you, sir:
I would very much like to know if you consider tantric practices
as less weird than say, using a Ouiji board?
Very much looking forward to your response, Mr. Weidner..
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Weidner's response:
[From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:08:22 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Lisa Guliani wrote:
>
> JW: "In your note you say that it was John Kaminski who told you that Rense and I are friends.
Did you actually hear him say this or did you hear it from a third party?"
>
> Lisa: The information that I have is 100% credible and I also have
> in my possession,a statement substantiating this which originates
> directly from Rense himself, which totally contradicts what YOU have
> stated to me regarding the "friendship" between the two of you.
> (It is signed by Rense, though not addressed to me).
JW: I would like to see that letter. I will also write to Jeff and see if he said this. Of course you have not produced the letter so I don't know if it is true. A better question might be what is Jeff's defination of friendship? Does a 2 hour meeting once constitute a friendship? Have you written to Rense to see if my story checks out? In what sense does this purported letter contradict me? Does it say that there are more than the one 2 hour meeting that we had? Did he send me get well card when I was in the hospital? Does he know that my mother died? Does he know how many children I have?, My wife's name?
This is what MY friend's know and do, how about you?
Who was this letter addressed to? Where did it originate? May I see it?
>
> JW said:
> "Also why didn't you do any follow up on this before you ran with the story?"
>
Lisa: I have involved myself in more followup on this matter than you apparently presume, sir.
>
> JW said:
>"Ethical journalism requires at least two sources for a story and no third party hearsay."
>
> Lisa: According to MY research, sir, YOU appear to be unethical, by
> allowing long diatribes signed and copyryghted by yourself to remain
> on the internet, while you privately continue to deny to be their author.
> What exactly do you expect me to think, Mr. Weidner?
> Moreover,in light of the above, you aren't exactly the best qualified to give ME instructions about what
> is ethical and what is not, wouldn't you agree? I'm hoping you can see it from my perspective.
JW: I did not write the letter that you say i wrote. Vincent Bridges wrote it and signed my name. I have written to him several times asking it to be taken down and he refuses. The letteris up only on Bridges site, not on any of mine. The writing style is not mine, the verbiage is not mine, it is an attacked fostered by Bridges in an attempt to get me and Laura fighting each other.
>
JW: "I suppose it is possible that you just believe everything that he says because he is a published writer.
I don't believe anyone and I always follow up before I run with something."
>
> Lisa: My own research makes me strongly doubt your above statement.
>
> JW: "Also I would still like the chance to go on your show and correct
> what you and Victor have been saying.
Certainly I deserve the chance to defend myself against these untrue charges."
>
> Lisa: It would be, in my opinion and as already previously suggested
> to you, Mr. Weidner, a very good idea for you to clean up the very
> mess that you've created. Please realize that if you fail to do this,
> any possible "show" may simply prove to everybody exactly the opposite
> of what it is you seek: it may prove that you are dishonest,a liar.
> And that is NOT what you have in mind, I strongly suspect.
>
> Again, I've indicated to you already what I believe is the wisest
> course for you and us to take, sir.
> First, clear up the mess.
> I do hope you understand what kind of "mess" I refer to.
I am trying to clean up this mess caused by Bridges and Jadczyk. What do you think I am doing?
>
> In addition, I strongly suggest that you read this:
>
> http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/jay_weidner_cult_freak.php
>
> A question for you, sir:
>I would very much like to know if you consider tantric practices as less weird than say, using a Ouiji board?
JW: As I didn't write it I don't have an answer.
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Subsequently, I received a bcc of my previous email to Weidner, which he apparently had forwarded to "someone", but since he bcc'd, I can't say for sure who that person is. 3 guesses...
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And then, this from Weidner:
[From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: Re: Attention: Jay Weidner from WING TV
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 13:34:49 -0800
To: "Lisa Guliani"
On Nov 4, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Lisa Guliani wrote:
>
> Mr. Weidner, you said:
> "I would like to see that letter."
>
> Lisa: No, I prefer to hold onto it for the time being.
> You have not, thus far,inspired in me any reason to trust you.
> Add to this the fact that you still need to clean up your mess.
>
> JW said:
> I did not write the letter that you say i wrote.
> Vincent Bridges wrote it and signed my name.
> I have written to him several times asking it to be taken down
> and he refuses. The letter is up only on Bridges site, not on
> any of mine. The writing style is not mine, the verbiage is not mine,
> it is an attacked fostered by Bridges in an attempt to get me and Laura
> fighting each other.
>
> Lisa: Sir, we can go round and round about this, but what's the point of circling the airport and never landing?
> The bottom line is:It does not matter what you say privately.
> PUBLICLY, it is copyrighted by "Jay Weidner"
>
> JW said:
> I am trying to clean up this mess caused by Bridges and Jadczyk.
> What do you think I am doing?
>
> Lisa: I suggest you stop "trying" and just DO what has been already
> suggested to you multiple times now in my previous responses.
>
> Regarding this question I asked previously:
>
> I would very much like to know if you consider tantric practices
> as less weird than say, using a Ouiji board?
>You replied: "As I didn't write it I don't have an answer."
>
> Lisa: Well, you can SAY that,but... nevertheless, later, in 2003, you wrote the following:
>Quote from Weidner:
> "I am a journalist and I am investigating the criminal activities of the Cassiopaea Cult.
This means that I am also writing a series of articles concerning the Cassiopaea Cult."
>
> Lisa: Do you confirm or deny this?
>
JW: In 2003, with the manipulation still going I wrote a private email saying that I was working on a series of articles - notice that I did not say that I had written any yet, - I was fully intending to write a series on them when I began to realize how serious a problem Mr Vincent Bridges was. I also paid for a web site that Vincent had a lot of crap up on in 2003. I changed the password on that site and took it down in June 2004.
All of this is making my point for me. I wrote to Laura and Ark in 2005 and said it was time to bury the hatchet and I was the first and only party to apologize. I never wrote any articles on them and I will not. But I do expect fair treatment by people on the outside looking in. Laura had called me a cointelpro agent hundreds of times all over the web without offering any evidence. Most of this is still up.
Despite this I still apologized for my behavior because that is the right thing to do. Just as trying to clear the record with you is also the right thing to do. There is no need for recriminations or anger. That would be playing into others hands. The truth is the only thing that matters.
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Finally (hopefully), I received a last email from Weidner. Notice how he just wouldn't contact Laura and Ark directly to clean up his own mess. He wanted me to do it for him and even suggested on the phone I call them FOR him.
[To: "Lisa Guliani"
From: "Jay Weidner"
Subject: no hope
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:13:29 -0800
Lisa
I have reread your letters and I can only think that you are on
Laura's side and there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
I just expected some fairness from you.
I see no point in carrying on this conversation any further.
In peace,
Jay
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Impression of Jay Weidner: CAGEY.
Lisa
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
"Horrendous!" That's hilarious.
Man, if he didn't inject his stupid personal life into every essay he writes I might be able to sympathize...
Man, if he didn't inject his stupid personal life into every essay he writes I might be able to sympathize...
In case anyone wonders about Jay Weidner suddenly waking up to "what a problem Vinnie was, you might want to take a look at the emails he was writing about Vinnie back in 2002. See:Jay Weidner said:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley2.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley3.htm
Also see:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/webmaster.htm
And then, to see where he claims to have "apologized" see:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/maynerd-most-scam.htm
Now, for an interesting insight, it seems that all was not exactly as Weidner has described it between him and Vinnie and Stormbear Williams back in 2003, either. I have in my possession an email that was accidentally published to a public maillist (or maybe not so accidental?) from Stormbear Williams to Jay Weidner. Handily, Stormbear hadn't learned how to use a mail program and left the original email from Weidner at the bottom. For the sake of clarity, I'll paste Weidner's letter to Stormbear first, and then Stormbear's response.
Jay Weidner said:
Charming social circle, yes?Stormbear Williams said:
This is interesting, considering the following, from http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley3.htmWeidner said:
Translation: "Vincent isn't my partner, we just work together".
Therefore, "Rense isn't my friend, I just work with him". ;)
Yeah, Jay is a graduate of the Bill Clinton school of Truth: "I did NOT have sex with that woman!"HKoehli said:
Here is the output of Whois for the domain "cassiopaea.net"
So, he owns the domain that was bought to smear us.
If he is so "good" - he can put a public disclaimer and apology there, and then give the domain back to us. Wouldn't it be a nice first step, I mean if he is for real?
But there is something else about this that is bugging me and connects Jay Weidner to Kaminski in an odd way: the weird sex stuff that is in the background of all these people like some sort of undercurrent or sub-text.
Have a look here:
http:(2slash)www(dot)sharronrose.com/PriestessReview.htm
Sharron Rose is Jay's wife:
http:(2slash)www(dot)sharronrose.com/sharron_bio.htm
Note: Jay Weidner is her "tantric consort". And John Kaminski is Barbra-renee Brighenti's "tantric consort" (an assumption, but based on her affiliation with Osho and his writings on the subject, seems to be likely). So what is UP with this stuff? I really don't care, it is their business, but when you start looking at his connections and his manipulations - and HER connections and manipulations not to mention Kaminski and Brighenti, you can't help but start making hypotheses about the COINTELPRO network.
What makes it even weirder is this:
http:(2slash)educate-yourself(dot)org/cn/lauraknightjadczykexpose2004.shtml
Then see:
http:(2slash)www(dot)rense.com/general41/armed.htm
A reader who reads the "educateyourself" site sent this saying it just went up two days ago. The timing is interesting. Maybe this is Rense and Weidner's "answer." They ain't gonna push Lisa because they are worried about something she may have in the way of documentation. In other words, when Weidner "gave up," he must have been instructed to do so because, as you can see from all other interactions with him, he has no problem's flying off the handle and making a fool of himself. But he didn't this time. Why? Probably because Rense is calling the shots.
Also, the fact that Weidner obviously isn't going to push Bridges is odd since he repeatedly says he can't stand the guy and acts so helpless about somebody using his name illegally. Heck, he didn't have any problems going after us and trying to intimidate our webmaster. So what is up with that? Is Vinnie blackmailing Weidner?
Regarding Collen Johnston, I never met the woman in my life. More than that, the writing style is Vinnie's, not Colleen's. Again, he is writing stuff and using other people's names with their tacit or active permission. What does he have on her?
I DID get some stuff that had been scrubbed from the web about her - she once hung out with some really strange types, and also hung out with Mater Dei people. I THINK that's a sort of catholic thing like Opus Dei.
A member of our group used to be a member of Colleen's weird, truly cultic discussion group, and this member forwarded all the discussions from there to me once. Those people are REALLY weird. All about sex with aliens and "ain't it awful, but I must be so special that they come and rape me all the time" type of thing. You get the feeling that they really WISH it was happening.
Total perverts.
The thing is, no matter which of them it is, when you poke around a little bit, you always find these weird traces of funky sex stuff. Like James Neff and his "Christian Nudism" with paintings of naked women with little girl looking bodies. And then, Vinnie Bridges with his "star kids camp." THAT really spooks me. And Elaine Belisha (owner of GLP) and her bondage and discipline associations and the websites of her kid who apparently learned it at an early age. Then, of course, Weidner and his Tantra and Kaminski and his tantra. Finally, to bring the whole thing around in a circle, there are the Jack Blood and Rob Revere creeps and their whole "sex oriented" crap aimed at Lisa, and not a one of these other creeps ever said a word in her defense - not even her "good friend" Kaminski.
I get the feeling that there is something really sick and perverted connecting all these people together "under the covers," and I tell ya, it gives me the willies.
For all I know, Weidner is just a "useful idiot" caught in their web. But if so, there's only one way out: to tell the truth and tell it long and loud.
Which makes me wonder...
I mean, if they are good friends and all that, why can't it be in the open? What's all the secrecy about? Why are they playing this little game? Does it mean that Weidner and Bridges are really friends behind the scenes and even their "animosity" is a front? What about the alleged "animosity" between Kaminski and Rense? Between Kaminski and Daryl Bradford Smith? Between Kaminski and Judy Andreas? The latter is so concerned about her appearance that you just have to wonder...
On the other hand, each and every one of them could really believe in their own position, and that it "opposes" the positions of those they don't "like" or "approve of," and all the while their opposition is manufactured by "handlers" or even just the general laws of people running on emotional energy and having their buttons pushed. It could all be hyperdimensional manipulation, too!
It's a can of worms, that's for sure.
A
Anders
Guest
After reading Lisa's posts about her phone conversations and interactions with Jay Weirdner I was impressed by her way of dealing with him and keeping him to the issue at hand. It was almost like a textbook example of how to deal with predatory behaviour.
Sleepyvinny in another thread copied some extracts from George Simon's book 'In Sheeps Clothing', which summons up the theory of how to deal with it. It is worth repeating here, I think as Lisa has just showed the practical aspect of it.
The thread was: Redefining The Terms of Engagement
Anders
Sleepyvinny in another thread copied some extracts from George Simon's book 'In Sheeps Clothing', which summons up the theory of how to deal with it. It is worth repeating here, I think as Lisa has just showed the practical aspect of it.
The thread was: Redefining The Terms of Engagement
sleepyvinny said:
A new insight into the foreign world of the psychopathLaura said:
Anders
allen
Jedi Master
Sounds to me like Kaminski either has a bit of a messianic complex going or he is looking for an escape hatch from all this dang reality that is making life uncomfortable. He has a bunch of paragraphs toward the end that all begin with the problems we face:
After that, he starts to sound a bit like a drunk in a bar. You know the ones (well, maybe some of you don't) who sound vaguely coherent and philisophical when they first chat you up, then leave you with the theme song from The Twilight Zone ringing in your ears?
But his solution only involves him...Kaminski said:
Perhaps I missed something here. I've been enduring a sinus infection, so my thoughts have been a bit cloudy.Kaminski said:
After that, he starts to sound a bit like a drunk in a bar. You know the ones (well, maybe some of you don't) who sound vaguely coherent and philisophical when they first chat you up, then leave you with the theme song from The Twilight Zone ringing in your ears?
Uhm...right. The more I think about it, the more he really does sound like a drunk in a bar. His words have the sound of someone who collapsed inside to me. I see what he means by learning from his mistakes, but he keeps ploughing ahead with the same "every Jew is in on the conspiracy" nonsense. Clearly, he has not learned a damn thing from his mistakes. Just like the drunk in the bar, going on about learning from mistakes and picking yourself up by your own bootstraps...then passing out in their own vomit and being dragged to the street.Kaminski said:
Perhaps part of the answer may be in this quote from Weidner's correspondence, where he wrote:Laura said:
and also this:In 2001 said:
I guess there may be more "secret societies" than just "Satanists"? What is the relation between Rene Guenon and Tantra - I wonder.... Is there a dark-dark side of Rosicrucians?In 2003 said:
Check this: www(dot)rosicrucian-order(dot)com/agartha.htm
