Jordan Peterson: Gender Pronouns and Free Speech War

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Recently posted by JP. An Interview with Douglas Murry.

For the first 30 minutes it feels good, kind of like, back in the groove. And it was nice digging through the crazy lefty world we are living in and listening to them call a spade a spade. AND THEN SHAZAM!

At minute :30 JP says, about the US elections: “That’s a rat’s nest to be investigated” and off they went for the rest of the interview.

Metaphorically speaking, I think they fell on the ice and hit their heads, then spent the rest of the interview holding each other’s hands while trying to slip and slide their way back to the solid ground again. Blind spots for sure.

By now we are all probably seeing situations like: someone can comprehend a conspiracy like 911 as well as others, but be completely fooled by the covid or vaccines. (that’s actually something I’ve been thinking about, and there must be a reasonable answer for that, but some other time)

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Season 4 Episode 3: Douglas Murray (bitchute.com)

Points of interest:

Trump is reprehensible.

Vaccinations are good “take a deep breath and wait for the vaccine”

No transhumanism conspiracy. (in fact, they are poo-poo on conspiracy issues)

CCP = Bad

Anyway, political commentary is apparently not their forte !
 
Yes, watched that yesterday and felt similar to you Adobe. I felt strong revulsion and sickness when JBP said Biden's job is easy, he just has to immunize 100 % of the population, no alternatives. And this disgusting shifting of responsibility for basically every problem to "conspiratorial thinking", even hypothetical problems of the future will be due to Trump inserting a conpiratorial narrative, which is the election fraud or him having won the election....
 
mkrnhr said:
After all the trouble JP had with the big pharma-based medicine (and official diet recommendations), one would think that he would have some reservations in trusting 100% of the population to an experimental vaccine. Lesson not learned maybe?
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Yeah... He even had to go to Russia for treatment because 'Western' medicine wasn't cutting it.

It's very odd. Then again, maybe after watching his wife almost die and almost kicking the bucket himself, he's being far more careful about what battles he fights. Or the dude is just exhausted.

Couple that with the fact that he was never good at understanding the more political/psychopathy stuff, and I suspect his 'glory days' are over.
 
Scottie said:
Couple that with the fact that he was never good at understanding the more political/psychopathy stuff, and I suspect his 'glory days' are over.
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I would have used a question mark to end the sentence rather than a full stop. I personally consider JP as brilliant as before. A toned down projection in front of a camera? Less ’intensity’ in responses? Less speculation? Maybe he is in different phase of his life and he cares about different stuff? Expectations of his interviews if any, should be equaled by the message multiplied by the gratitude he is still alive.
 
Ina said:
I would have used a question mark to end the sentence rather than a full stop. I personally consider JP as brilliant as before. A toned down projection in front of a camera? Less ’intensity’ in responses? Less speculation? Maybe he is in different phase of his life and he cares about different stuff? Expectations of his interviews if any, should be equaled by the message multiplied by the gratitude he is still alive.
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Or is it maybe the case that you nowadays have to make wholesale confessions of faith to the official narrative, otherwise your vids might be taken down without giving any exact reasons? Then you might be able to consider Murray's and Peterson's statements as strategic enclosure. But in that case I would avoid these topics entirely, so I am not sure.

I have a question about these courts that rejected Trump's allegations of voter fraud. They said all courts rejected these allegations except one, even Republican dominated courts rejected them. Peterson and Murray are saying that after hearing these court decisions, one has to come to the conclusion that if you are now still supporting Trump that means you believe that Trump and his family are the only uncorrupted elements of the political and justice system, which is according to them ridiculous. Can somebody unpack or comment on this a little bit please? It is difficult for me to verify this, so some insights would be appreciated.
 
Ina said:
I would have used a question mark to end the sentence rather than a full stop. I personally consider JP as brilliant as before. A toned down projection in front of a camera? Less ’intensity’ in responses? Less speculation? Maybe he is in different phase of his life and he cares about different stuff? Expectations of his interviews if any, should be equaled by the message multiplied by the gratitude he is still alive.
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I don't doubt that he's brilliant. I'll also read his new book when it comes out.

Mostly, I'm just thinking that if I was in his shoes, I'd be thinking twice about stirring up any hornet nests in the near future - understandably so!

Also, because we've repeatedly noted that when it comes to more political stuff, he seems to have certain blinds spots, AND since the madness we see developing in the world (especially the USA) is primarily political in nature, it seems to me like he won't be a 'Big Force' in the same way that he used to be.

That doesn't mean he's suddenly useless or has nothing to contribute. I just have a hard time seeing him touring the world and having a huge, active following - as he runs himself ragged like before. I'm sure he has learned a few hard lessons.

Lesson #1: It takes a network. One man more or less alone doesn't stand a chance.
 
Nielow said:
Or is it maybe the case that you nowadays have to make wholesale confessions of faith to the official narrative, otherwise your vids might be taken down without giving any exact reasons? Then you might be able to consider Murray's and Peterson's statements as strategic enclosure. But in that case I would avoid these topics entirely, so I am not sure.

I have a question about these courts that rejected Trump's allegations of voter fraud. They said all courts rejected these allegations except one, even Republican dominated courts rejected them. Peterson and Murray are saying that after hearing these court decisions, one has to come to the conclusion that if you are now still supporting Trump that means you believe that Trump and his family are the only uncorrupted elements of the political and justice system, which is according to them ridiculous. Can somebody unpack or comment on this a little bit please? It is difficult for me to verify this, so some insights would be appreciated.
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I had more or less the same thought. If you want to be in business you have to learn diplomacy. JP is a public figure. What we watch is part of his business and so he must follow certain rules. Clearly he is not in the Hero business.

Regarding the ‘the only uncorrupted was Trump’ perhaps I should go back to the video. As I recall it there were two parallel notions discussed becaused it was mentioned twice and that made it confusing. One idea was the feedback loop on behalf of both dems and reps. The second idea was the ‘iredeemable corruption’ in the system.

What I liked was the Forgiveness and Redemption paradigm. I will try look for the Maddening Crowds by Douglas Murray.
 
Nielow said:
Peterson and Murray are saying that after hearing these court decisions, one has to come to the conclusion that if you are now still supporting Trump that means you believe that Trump and his family are the only uncorrupted elements of the political and justice system, which is according to them ridiculous. Can somebody unpack or comment on this a little bit please? It is difficult for me to verify this, so some insights would be appreciated.
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Can you give a timestamp for this part of the conversation as well as what it is that you would like insight about or what you would like to be unpacked?
 
like people said above his blind spots with big pharma are worrysome, the kind you could discard as common sense but that takes lives, like the iatrogenic psych drugs he praises innocently on some videos...which is a true contradiction not only to his position, as psychologists don't prescribe drugs but his experience(again you could disregard it as naivety or benzo-induced dementia)
just little things right..
 
Adobe said:
At minute :30 JP says, about the US elections: “That’s a rat’s nest to be investigated” and off they went for the rest of the interview.
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Had only caught a bit of this last night, however he did point out (after the 30 min. mark) the feedback loops going on regarding political and social discourse, and he had made some points. Moreover, he seemed to then briefly touch on the issue of psychopathy, and the nature of depression that is arising after conditions are being pressed down upon society, currently (no sides are immune if sides are taken) - said in a short version, osit. However, if exponential depression is being created by current conditions (obviously), then the study of psychopathy would need to delve into the ideas of Hare at al. concerning the successful types who do much of the political and economic downward pressing itself. Taking it a step further, If that was acknowledged by JP, then the very base would need to have attached itself to the ideas of ponerology; corporate and institutional-wise, et cetera et cetera. So, it seems that JP has basically been speaking of the ideological intellectual class of the far-left with all their embedded teaching tools, and he has felt their ideological wrath himself as people well know - yet not discussed from the root psychological language of ponerology. JP may also be much more aware of PP, too, and yet it is not something he might be comfortable referencing. Don't really know.

It is known that JP missed the boat on pharmacology treatments that almost took him out, yet also caught (with the help of his daughter) new ways to help adjust his diet that made a big difference.

In the video (again after 30. min.) he also discussed 'not' going down "the rabbit hole" of stealing the election - just a little data/media confirmation bias, or just plain old avoidance of getting into the muck of it all on his part. In this, unfortunately, somewhere further along there was the usuals default negative quip was made against conspiracies - now can't have those after all.

Adobe said:
Anyway, political commentary is apparently not their forte !
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Yes, not, and some of this has been said before on various issues he brings up, such as what Scottie mentions:
Scottie said:
Also, because we've repeatedly noted that when it comes to more political stuff, he seems to have certain blinds spots, AND since the madness we see developing in the world (especially the USA) is primarily political in nature, it seems to me like he won't be a 'Big Force' in the same way that he used to be.
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Yes, seems so, and yet I would not count JP out where he can help, and he can help (and maybe not right away), especially if he networked as discussed below:
Scottie said:
That doesn't mean he's suddenly useless or has nothing to contribute. I just have a hard time seeing him touring the world and having a huge, active following - as he runs himself ragged like before. I'm sure he has learned a few hard lessons.

Lesson #1: It takes a network. One man more or less alone doesn't stand a chance.
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There are many well know astute professors, for instance, who as a networking group (take Working Group on Syria, Propaganda and Media), on the one hand, make excellent analysis of data and call a spade a spade - who see the political manipulating field in the data. However, one or more of the same group cannot see climate data properly, and in fact help to drive the C02 bus. As Caesar said, people are fickle.
 
A Jay said:
Can you give a timestamp for this part of the conversation as well as what it is that you would like insight about or what you would like to be unpacked?
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You can find that part of the conversation at about 1:07:00, maybe start a couple minutes earlier to understand how they got there.

I am wondering if these statements are just repeating the official narrative (and maybe strategic) or if these are original ideas of Peterson and Murray. They present it as if through hearing these court decision, any doubts about a legitimate Biden presidency have to now be kind of diagnosed as the irrational belief that only the Trump family is uncorrupted. I guess what I am asking is, if these court decisions can be trusted or not. I know this might be difficult if not impossible to answer. I am still confused about this election, because of hearing so many conflicting views.
 
I actually feel a bit chagrin about discussing JP and DM with the metaphor I used. Both of them, and certainly JP I think deserve more respect considering the work they have done. I guess it was my attempt to call a spade a spade. Aside from the “great” work that JP has done, this political review was out of his area of understanding. And should be called out. Not by me, as I’m certainly unqualified, yet here I am. They both have large followings and to suggest the things they did is potentially harmful.

It has been suggested that they were knowingly paying their due to the devil, in an effort to remain in the arena and to profit. I don’t think so; I believe JP has better roots and character than that.

It could be an academia bias, as being steeped in the “never go with the conspiracy theory! You will die there!” Or, mind programing, beaming…. something? They cannot see, or have no concept of Gurdjieff’s evil magician.

There seems to be an epidemic of blind-spots going on everywhere. From really good and high-profile leaders of, let’s just call it the “truth” movement, all the way down to friends and family that I deal with daily.

An idea I’m working with is “if” this is the ending of endings. The final harvest. Then after some 300,000+ years, having lived who knows how many lifetimes, and many recent “shocks” to both the herd and individuals that… everyone is becoming who they are.

I understand that going to meditate in a temple for a lifetime is not overly beneficial, that is to say, the whole-personal experience and being in the herd is where the lessons are for well-balanced development. So, a lifetime in the temple secluded from the storms of life, intrigue, and deceptions would leave a person shallow of soul development. So, I want to look at the whole banana. This person I’m dealing with today…where were they and what have they been doing for the last 300,000 years? Have they missed whole areas of development? And they simple cannot make up that development here and now in the last few moments of this class. They will just have to go through this exam / harvest etc. with a missing, or a few missing bricks so to speak. Too late, were here. Show us what you’ve got. Show your hand.

If “John” is a genius with math and languages, and we all looked up to him as a leader, yet during the exams we realized he is ignorant of geography, then we should adjust for that. Point out his mistakes, and double down on the concept of balanced, well rounded learning. (networking is helpful in seeing my own missing bricks)

Iv always thought this life was part of something bigger. Iv always been skeptical of gov’s or groups manipulating others. I’ve always felt that the herd can turn on me at any moment, so don’t be too surprised when they do. Why do I seem to have those particular bricks? I was raised by WWII / great depression-era family of sceptics…maybe that’s why? Past life experiences, maybe that's why? I don’t know. (btw these particular traits leave me vulnerable to pattern recognition run amuck, so it’s not all sunshine and lollypops)

I don’t know the origin of blind-spots, but I’m confident they exist, and I’m trying to understand them.

Its good to see JP wanting to work again. I remember him saying, a few years ago, that he wanted to rent a large church and continue his biblical series teachings. That would be great. Of course, the crappy covid thing is in the way now, but it would be good in one form or another.
 
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