Jordan Peterson: Gender Pronouns and Free Speech War

[Ben]

To really understand this situation fully I think I would to have to know more about what exactly JP has seen in the way of footage out of Gaza. I'm thinking of photos and videos of mass graves, IDF openly gloating, executions, genocidal statements on the news (the goddamn rape riots for Christ's sake!) - the full works. It's possible he has shielded himself somewhat by just selectively avoiding such material. Social media algorithms help the user to curate their own personal illusion. Subconscious substitution and selection of data does the heavy lifting.

I think the only way I could find myself entrenched in his current position is to find a way to deny the existence or validity of that evidence. I suppose if the influence of his 'network' is to help him deny this reality, tell him not to worry about it, then that could be a factor I'm underestimating. Evidence of deliberate killing of civilians on a widespread scale, sanctioned by government and institutions, is a pretty clear red line for me. If Russia starts doing it, I'm going to change my mind. I don't think that change would be easy or quick, but I can't imagine seeing a year of this kind of evidence and still not at the very least feeling conflicted.

I can't imagine how he's experiencing the world right now and I'm glad of that, it's truly disturbing to try.

 

[axj]

Evidence of deliberate killing of civilians on a widespread scale, sanctioned by government and institutions, is a pretty clear red line for me.

Jewish people I talked to about the Gaza genocide rationalize it away with "Hamas is using civilians as human shields". Maybe Peterson does similar mental gymnastics.

 

[Alana]

To really understand this situation fully I think I would to have to know more about what exactly JP has seen in the way of footage out of Gaza. I'm thinking of photos and videos of mass graves, IDF openly gloating, executions, genocidal statements on the news (the goddamn rape riots for Christ's sake!) - the full works.

I am pretty sure I've seen quite a few people on X tagging him on videos, images and news releases of the above atrocities and asking him what he thought of them. Especially during the "rape riots" or when one of the rapists became a national hero and was paraded through Israeli tv shows

I don't know how he "explained" that to himself, he probably looks at such posts and deletes them immediately. But you have to see it to delete it, even if it's just a glance.

I think that his fundamental belief, like any zionist, is that the jews are chosen, intelligent, special! and israel is seen as the bastion of civilization! while "the savages surrounding them are no better than animals", whatever happens to them does not perturb his conscience.

Once you dehumanize any group of people, anything goes, which is highly ironic and tragic, since it is often the non-human psychopaths that start the trend.

 

[RedFox]

I don't know how he "explained" that to himself, he probably looks at such posts and deletes them immediately. But you have to see it to delete it, even if it's just a glance.

I think based on what he's said publicly, he just labels them all (psychopathic) trolls.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1678861333125648389

Most anonymous troll-demons
Are derisive cowards
And they are much more likely than others
To be
Narcissistic
Psychopathic
Machievellian
And (because that's apparently not enough)
Sadistic

So defend them all you want
But know who they are
And who you're standing up for

For every one brave whistleblower
There are a thousand evil slugs

As to those that are not anonymous, he probably labels them the same. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see him go down the line of wanting to ban/prosecute those who post 'disinformation' at some point.

 

[mkrnhr]

My take on the Peterson case is that because he has a soul, thus not a mere OP, he's responsible for his actions because of free will. A programmed OP who has no access to information is excusable. A souled person (great soul = greater free will?) with an intellect, access to information, who refuses to see what's in front of them, and who refuses to look at what countless people at pointing at, has made a choice, that of evil.

 

[Ryan]

Can they just program anyone at all?

The fact that you, or anyone, is asking that question proves that is not the case. I'm reminded of Laura's similar question to the C's:

A: The proper understanding is more important than how it was reached.
Q: So, it is the conclusion. But, the deeper I go, the more I see that this world is REALLY controlled by these negative beings! They really have us under their thumbs.
A: Do they?? If so, then how is it that you can communicate with us?
Q: Well, obviously, not completely. They like to THINK they do.

There's also what the C's mentioned at the end of last year:

A: Be aware that your own group is under scrutiny and subject to attack if all are not fully aware and communicating. It would be helpful for all of you to read Paul's letter about love a few times per week and ponder each aspect in relation to yourself and others. Times ahead are going to be shocking and unstable. Hold fast to your network and do not allow yourselves to be stampeded or externally driven. Ask when needed and we will be here. Peace be with you. Goodbye.

The Wave Chapter 72: The Nonlinear Dynamics of Love and Complex Systems: Debugging the Universe

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

And if I have prophetic powers – that is, the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose; and understand all the secret truths and mysteries and possess all knowledge, and if I have faith so that I can remove mountains, but have not love I am nothing – a useless nobody.

Even if I dole out all that I have to give food to the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love endures long and is patient and kind; love never is envious nor boils over with jealousy; is not boastful or vainglorious, does not display itself haughtily.

It is not conceited – arrogant and inflated with pride; it is not rude, and does not act unbecomingly. Love does not insist on its own rights or its own way, for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it – pays no attention to a suffered wrong.

It does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices when right and truth prevail.

Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstance and it endures everything without weakening.

Love never fails – never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end. As for prophecy, it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for tongues, they will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will be superseded by truth.

For our knowledge is fragmentary and our prophecy is fragmentary.

But when the complete and perfect comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away – become antiquated, void and superseded.

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; now that I have become a man, I am done with childish ways and have put them aside.

For now we are looking in a mirror that gives only a dim reflection of reality as in a riddle or an enigma, but then, when perfection comes, we shall see in reality and face to face! Now I know in part; but then I shall know and understand fully and clearly, even in the same manner as I have been fully and clearly known and understood by God. [..]

And Ashworth's translation of the last part:

"For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part. But at the coming of age, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child: when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known." (1 Cor 13:10-12)

And so, faith, hope, love abide; these three, but the greatest of these is love.” (1 Corinthians 13:1–13)

 

[Ben]

Jewish people I talked to about the Gaza genocide rationalize it away with "Hamas is using civilians as human shields". Maybe Peterson does similar mental gymnastics.

Probably, I just would have thought that such an obviously weak argument would fail on an intelligent person (who isn't seriously character disturbed). Perhaps JP is more racist/islamophobic than I assumed possible, and his programming has exploited that fact. That would be ironic, if the opposition to wokeism which made him such a prominent voice ended up taking him down because he took it too far. Real racism, as in the supremacist colonial mindset (which usually has religious elements) is still appalling even if authorities have abused that concept. Israel is the most glaringly obvious example of that in the world right now.

It's like he has no concept of true religion at all, he might as well be an atheist.

 

[Bluegazer]

A question for you, but for everyone else also. Although, maybe it's an unfair one given everyone's time here in the group.

I think the answer lies in understanding the difference between the body of knowledge that JP has and the knowledge of this group.
How much does JP know about psychopathy as we know here? Does JP know about hyperdimensional realities and their inhabitants?
To my mind JP is a good example of how knowledge protects and ignorance endangers.​

 

[loreta]

I think the answer lies in understanding the difference between the body of knowledge that JP has and the knowledge of this group.
How much does JP know about psychopathy as we know here? Does JP know about hyperdimensional realities and their inhabitants?
To my mind JP is a good example of how knowledge protects and ignorance endangers.​

You can support a regime that kills innocent people without being aware of it. We saw this with Covid-19. Ignorance, fear and propaganda blind those who support a genocidal regime. But there are also those who know and support this regime for other reasons, power for example; and also others because they suffer from psychiatric illnesses, are psychopaths themselves. Have no spirit inside them. I don't know about JP. Maybe he was really scared, maybe he decided to sell his soul to the devil.

 

[taratai]

My take on the Peterson case is that because he has a soul, thus not a mere OP, he's responsible for his actions because of free will. A programmed OP who has no access to information is excusable. A souled person (great soul = greater free will?) with an intellect, access to information, who refuses to see what's in front of them, and who refuses to look at what countless people at pointing at, has made a choice, that of evil.

But is there really a soul inside? If you look at him, do you see a man with a soul, or an empty body, a husk of a once great man?

Does he still have a soul? Or is it just hanging on its last strings, barely attached to his body?

I think it's not an accident that he turned into what he is now after his coma episode. Whatever happened to him "on the other side" must have severed his connection to his "greater side", and what was left was an empty space, free real estate to be taken by whoever is first to claim it. And Zionism was already there, lurking, waiting for an opportunity to jump in.

Now he is being completely driven by external influences outside of his own control, controlled by forces he does not understand, that have claimed his body as their own.
Is a souled being that disconnected from its soul really any different than an organic portal?

 

[Turgon]

And people just don't take this literally. Peterson himself is a wannabe bible academic and lecturer, but it made no difference. Push him on metaphysics and he can't give a straight answer to anything.

He said as much in one of his interviews. That once he got to metaphysics, that's where his knowledge and understanding ended. It shows considering he's taken up with those who 'follow the law' instead of living by the spirit. Even his lack of interest in the NT as opposed to OT biblical references.

 

[axj]

Is a souled being that disconnected from its soul really any different than an organic portal?

Is it possible for a souled being to be fully disconnected from its soul? After all, the soul is who we are and disconnecting the soul from the body would lead to death or a zombie-like empty vessel (which the C's mentioned can be done with technology). Alternatively, possession of the body by another being is also possible.

 

[Redrock12]

And here's the biggest problem. And all of us here know it. 'Those' that want to silence you... Because JP had two or three years there where he was smeared and insulted and challenged every day. He held his own and fought it and usually won. He knew all about those who wanted to silence him.

But it's the unseen forces. As Paul said:



And people just don't take this literally. Peterson himself is a wannabe bible academic and lecturer, but it made no difference. Push him on metaphysics and he can't give a straight answer to anything.

Probably due to his knowledge being woefully inadequate believing that "hey everybody, I got a doctorate in psychology so that makes me an expert on everything metaphysical, I'm now a member of the untouchable all-knowing elite.
Poor stupid man.

 

[T.C.]

Is it possible for a souled being to be fully disconnected from its soul? After all, the soul is who we are and disconnecting the soul from the body would lead to death or a zombie-like empty vessel (which the C's mentioned can be done with technology). Alternatively, possession of the body by another being is also possible.

The C's did say that it's possible for a person/body/3D human to become disconnected from their soul, and that the person would even know that something had happened or they would feel different.

You say, "the soul is who we are", but I'm not sure why you think that. One of the foundational principles of the fourth way Work is the opposite of that: that we are an artificially created personality and only through esoteric work can we grow a soul or connect with our higher centres/higher self/soul.

OP's can't do this, but they are not physically dead or appear to others as zombie-like empty vessels.

 

[polly]

Is a souled being that disconnected from its soul really any different than an organic portal?

Alternatively, possession of the body by another being is also possible.

Thanks all! How interesting that these observations have come up. JP did have a "breakdown," medical issues, and now appears "different." I've often wondered, when a person is experiencing cognitive decline and various other psychological issues, is this programming or attack? Are you left open for the inhabiting? It would take knowledge to even question and attempt to protect oneself. I wonder if JP knows that something has happened to him, and his "knowledge" is not adequate enough to protect him. Is he kept alive as an example to others who question STS 3D-4D existence?

They've killed countless others. Was he too good of a tool to just do away with? Can they just program anyone at all?