Jordan Peterson: Gender Pronouns and Free Speech War

I don't know if this video of a talk Peterson gave about Postmodernism has been posted on here before, it was uploaded two months ago but could certainly be older than that, but it's worth a watch. He is clearly very upset about what postmodern thinking has done to Western society, yet that anger is being directed positively to spread the correct message about what is so wrong about postmodernism. It's fantastic and makes me even more grateful that we have Peterson around the bring a little sanity into the crazy world.


https://youtu.be/NhPUxmrQqS0
 
Thanks for the link to yet another great video from Jordan Peterson. His statement about resentment, arrogance and deceit being a triad of evil perfectly sums up the attitudes of many educated, elitist persons I've encountered. Their bitterness has already incited division, madness and violence. Not exactly what normal people want in this life.

The idea of having post-modernism starved at its source is powerful, if not genius. It's heartening to see younger people in the audience reacting positively to this strategy.
 
There are also two more excellent interviews with him online, one with Jocko:


https://youtu.be/23dArPpXgCM?rel=0

and one with Dave Rubin about his new book (haven't finished it yet):


https://youtu.be/GJJClhqGq_M


He's such a beacon of light, especially considering his huge audience. I can't help but think that the very fact he's around signifies some change in the timeline... I shudder to think of a different timeline where Hillary is president and Jordan never rose to fame or didn't make it through his depression and physical problems! What a horror that timeline must be.

Fascinating to watch how all this is unfolding and where it will lead.
 
It seems the below video wasn't posted yet unless I missed it. It's from October and JP interviews two lawyers who were on his side during the most intense C-16 battle. It turns out that the authorities go further with the bill - as JP expected from the beginning. Now, they demand from Canadian (Ontario, so far) lawyers to write, sign and submit their "Statement od Principles" relating to "equality and diversity". If lawyers want to keep their licenses, they are forced to confess their world views (falsely, in more sane cases) and actively promote current version of political correctness. Where is the old-fashioned and by all means reasonable apolitical position within legal professions? It used to be a principle, at least officially. Now it's gone legally.

From the video description:
Oct 10, 2017
Ontario lawyers/paralegals: Indicate your objection to the Law Society demands (confidentiality ensured)....

(It can be difficult for individual lawyers to stand up against such unwarranted intrusion singly. In consequence, we established the website to generate an estimate of the degree of dissatisfaction and resistance. The number of signatories will be made public, on that same website, within the first week--and updated regularly--but no personally identifying details will be released. )

Summary: Recently, the Law Society of Upper Canada (Ontario) has made major revisions to their requirements for the annual submission for legal practitioners in that province. As part of a five-part strategic program known as “Accelerating Culture Shift,” all lawyers are now required to write, submit and abide by a "Statement of Principles." The details can be viewed here https://www.lsuc.on.ca/EDI/ -- a site which indicates what lawyers now need to “KNOW AND DO” (caps in the original) for 2017.

In this video, I discuss this new demand (enforced by the power of government and law) with practicing lawyer Jared Brown and Professor Bruce Pardy of Queen’s University, both of whom testified, along with me, last year at the Canadian Senate on the compelled speech required by federal Bill C-16.

The content of the now-mandatory “Statement of Principles” has been dictated and will be reviewed for compliance by the Law Society itself: Acknowledgement of the “obligation to promote equality, diversity and inclusion generally, and in… behavior towards colleagues, employees, clients and the public.” This is part of a broader claim by the same society of systemic racism endemic in the legal profession in Ontario – a claim for which very little credible evidence has been collected and distributed.

Furthermore, the Society now requires every legal workplace of 10 or more licensees to “develop, implement and maintain a human rights/diversity policy” and to undergo an “equality, diversity and inclusion self-assessment for their legal workplace, to be provided to the Law Society" (which will also “encourage legal workplaces to conduct inclusion surveys by providing them with sample templates.”)

Failure to do comply brings with it the threat of serious penalties, including reputational damage and, more seriously, loss of the right to practice.

By implementing such requirements the Law Society has shifted from an organization ensuring competent practice to one dedicated to policing political and philosophical attitude and behavior. This is a clear and egregious example of compelled speech, and should be rejected as unacceptable by those at whom it is aimed. ....

47 mins

https://youtu.be/YGC3y1BPzwA
 
luc said:
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He's such a beacon of light, especially considering his huge audience. I can't help but think that the very fact he's around signifies some change in the timeline... I shudder to think of a different timeline where Hillary is president and Jordan never rose to fame or didn't make it through his depression and physical problems! What a horror that timeline must be.

Fascinating to watch how all this is unfolding and where it will lead.

Thanks for posting the videos luc. I haven't yet watched the first one but the second was just fascinating.
 
Thanks Luc and POB, Just started on the Rubin one, will check out the others when time permits :)

I just saw JP post this new vid on his FB, looks interesting

Identity politics and the Marxist lie of white privilege

https://youtu.be/PfH8IG7Awk0
 
Possibility of Being said:
It seems the below video wasn't posted yet unless I missed it. It's from October and JP interviews two lawyers who were on his side during the most intense C-16 battle. It turns out that the authorities go further with the bill - as JP expected from the beginning. Now, they demand from Canadian (Ontario, so far) lawyers to write, sign and submit their "Statement od Principles" relating to "equality and diversity". If lawyers want to keep their licenses, they are forced to confess their world views (falsely, in more sane cases) and actively promote current version of political correctness. Where is the old-fashioned and by all means reasonable apolitical position within legal professions? It used to be a principle, at least officially. Now it's gone legally.

From the video description:
Oct 10, 2017
Ontario lawyers/paralegals: Indicate your objection to the Law Society demands (confidentiality ensured)....

(It can be difficult for individual lawyers to stand up against such unwarranted intrusion singly. In consequence, we established the website to generate an estimate of the degree of dissatisfaction and resistance. The number of signatories will be made public, on that same website, within the first week--and updated regularly--but no personally identifying details will be released. )

Summary: Recently, the Law Society of Upper Canada (Ontario) has made major revisions to their requirements for the annual submission for legal practitioners in that province. As part of a five-part strategic program known as “Accelerating Culture Shift,” all lawyers are now required to write, submit and abide by a "Statement of Principles." The details can be viewed here https://www.lsuc.on.ca/EDI/ -- a site which indicates what lawyers now need to “KNOW AND DO” (caps in the original) for 2017.

In this video, I discuss this new demand (enforced by the power of government and law) with practicing lawyer Jared Brown and Professor Bruce Pardy of Queen’s University, both of whom testified, along with me, last year at the Canadian Senate on the compelled speech required by federal Bill C-16.

The content of the now-mandatory “Statement of Principles” has been dictated and will be reviewed for compliance by the Law Society itself: Acknowledgement of the “obligation to promote equality, diversity and inclusion generally, and in… behavior towards colleagues, employees, clients and the public.” This is part of a broader claim by the same society of systemic racism endemic in the legal profession in Ontario – a claim for which very little credible evidence has been collected and distributed.

Furthermore, the Society now requires every legal workplace of 10 or more licensees to “develop, implement and maintain a human rights/diversity policy” and to undergo an “equality, diversity and inclusion self-assessment for their legal workplace, to be provided to the Law Society" (which will also “encourage legal workplaces to conduct inclusion surveys by providing them with sample templates.”)

Failure to do comply brings with it the threat of serious penalties, including reputational damage and, more seriously, loss of the right to practice.

By implementing such requirements the Law Society has shifted from an organization ensuring competent practice to one dedicated to policing political and philosophical attitude and behavior. This is a clear and egregious example of compelled speech, and should be rejected as unacceptable by those at whom it is aimed. ....

47 mins

https://youtu.be/YGC3y1BPzwA

Whoa, and thanks for posting. In sum, this has such extremely profound implications upon society in perhaps many unimaginable levels as yet to be seen - and like Peterson discuses, there is a "creep" effect to all this. Once you take it to a law society and indoctrinated it within their Statement of Principles, like Peterson also inferred, you don't even recognize it after awhile - you are self-correcting. People in society are already self-censoring.

Of Peterson's guests on the video, the lower panel has lawyer Jared Brown, and you can see Jared back in May before this all got rolled up in the Canadian Senate arguing against and showing this direction for what it is. What it is is incredibly dangerous; oh, it does not appear that way from certain seats, yet it is a dirty snowball gathering speed.

Like many at their places of work, 'Statements of Principles' (SP's) are undergoing significant changes of alignment to these new social principles with continuous monitoring of same. This transcends to policies and whatever else guilds behaviors. There is nothing wrong with having SP's and policies per se, yet the "creep" is changing them, and you have to read them a few times to get the drift.

The law, C-16, is Federal, with arms that reach into many outside organizations and employers, yet they are still within federal jurisdiction (directly or indirectly). The Ontario law society operates in Federal and Provincial courts, so they have them both. Other provincial law societies will quickly follow on the heels until it is across the board. Provincial and even municiple legislation is already being drawn up and the corporations will follow suit - educational institutions at any level is a given, as will be medical and social, or so it seems.

Prison For Refusing Gender Pronouns? Lawyer Explains Bill C-16, Compelled Speech, to Canadian Senate


https://youtu.be/bMbqCHPB9jg
 
Here is another interesting video. The discussion focuses around the forgotten counterbalance to rights: duty. The omission of duty makes discussions around rights lame. Peterson says in a general sense our duty is to cultivate our property and not merely to own it, such that everyone benefits, and there is a deep discussion about this. His response to being accused of being priviledged is that he is not privileged, he is cultivated.


https://youtu.be/kteHW6t4G0g
 
I haven't watched it yet myself, but Jordan Peterson recommends this documentary about himself: "In my opinion, the filmmaker selected his clips with extraordinary care. Editing is a true art. Jordan Peterson: Truth in the Time of Chaos - full documentary https://t.co/fkqQc939e9 via @YouTube"


https://youtu.be/EjqXXengN1s
 
I hope this thread is the right one. Just a heads up for Dutchies. Jordan Peterson will give a keynote speech in Rijswijk, near The Hague, on January 19.

For more information see: https://nl.sott.net/article/4733-Grootdenker-Jordan-Peterson-komt-naar-Nederland-Een-voorproefje
 
monotonic said:
Here is another interesting video. The discussion focuses around the forgotten counterbalance to rights: duty. The omission of duty makes discussions around rights lame. Peterson says in a general sense our duty is to cultivate our property and not merely to own it, such that everyone benefits, and there is a deep discussion about this. His response to being accused of being priviledged is that he is not privileged, he is cultivated.

Not surprising that Shapiro really liked that idea of ownership being a result of cultivation. No prizes for guessing what was in his head.
 
Mariama said:
I hope this thread is the right one. Just a heads up for Dutchies. Jordan Peterson will give a keynote speech in Rijswijk, near The Hague, on January 19.

For more information see: https://nl.sott.net/article/4733-Grootdenker-Jordan-Peterson-komt-naar-Nederland-Een-voorproefje

Thanks, Mariama!

I'll be going to the event, and I was wondering if anyone has an idea of which questions to ask or what kind of information to give or topic to discuss if the opportunity arises that I can talk to him. There is also the possibility to send an email with questions or suggestions to the organizers of the event and they will send them to Jordan Peterson. JP encourages people to send him questions or suggestions. Any ideas? Thank you!
 
Oxajil said:
Mariama said:
I hope this thread is the right one. Just a heads up for Dutchies. Jordan Peterson will give a keynote speech in Rijswijk, near The Hague, on January 19.

For more information see: https://nl.sott.net/article/4733-Grootdenker-Jordan-Peterson-komt-naar-Nederland-Een-voorproefje

Thanks, Mariama!

I'll be going to the event, and I was wondering if anyone has an idea of which questions to ask or what kind of information to give or topic to discuss if the opportunity arises that I can talk to him. There is also the possibility to send an email with questions or suggestions to the organizers of the event and they will send them to Jordan Peterson. JP encourages people to send him questions or suggestions. Any ideas? Thank you!

Oops, forgot to mention that, Oxajil! Maybe a question about the culture war that is also raging in earnest in The Netherlands? And what we can do to not be taken in by one side or the other? I don't know, I am a bit tired now, I will have a think. I hope others will chime in.
So great that you will be going to the event. :thup:

BTW, one article was published in de Volkskrant pouring gas on the fire by discarding this 'alt-right' event. _https://www.volkskrant.nl/opinie/waarom-nodigt-platform-de-nederlandse-leeuw-bijna-uitsluitend-zeer-rechtse-sprekers-uit-voor-een-debat~a4556251/

And there is this one: http://sargasso.nl/nederlandse-leeuw/

Found on this far left site of a 'research group' called kafka. https://kafka.nl/
 
To my surprise we can also add weblog GeenStijl into the mix as interested 'bystanders'.

For a recent overview (in Dutch) see : _https://www.geenstijl.nl/search/?keyword=Jordan+Peterson
 

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