Julian Assange Discussion

Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Reminds me of Jeff Rense touting the fact that he was listed on a government website as a "disinfo source." Yeah, right. What better way to send ALL alternative news/views readers to his site!
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Jason (ocean59) said:
[quote author=www.independent.co.uk/news/media/online/wanted-by-the-cia-the-man-who-keeps-no-secrets-2029083.html]
"Sure," he says when we speak after his talk,

This is the only reference given as to the nature of the "interview." So, I'm guessing it was rather impromptu, and Assange probably did not know very much about who the guy is.[/quote]

Which makes no sense whatsoever. If Julian didn't know the guy, he shouldn't have been able to get anywhere near him.

While we are taking the author's word that the interview is accurate; if Assange truly did not say that about 9/11 and it got published, he seems the type of guy that would immediately twitter the discrepancy/twisted words and clarify. Sadly, my instincts are not telling me to hold my breath for that tweet.

Again we'll just have to wait and see. The interview is not posted on the official Wikileaks Facebook page...which is odd since every other interview he's done is.

I strongly suspect he has to watch what he "tweets," when and where, use disposable phones, etc.

Haha, like that movie Patrick Stewart starred in, Safe House? Now that would be a truly awesome twist to this story. :D

"Awesome" is not the word that comes to mind when I think of Julian being murdered. :cry:

It is an interesting movie, and will be interesting to see what the next scene brings. Popcorn, anyone? :)

No...but if you've got a box of tissues handy I'll take a few.
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Guardian said:
Haha, like that movie Patrick Stewart starred in, Safe House? Now that would be a truly awesome twist to this story. :D

"Awesome" is not the word that comes to mind when I think of Julian being murdered. :cry:
To clarify the usage of the word 'awesome' (to be impressive, or inspiring awe), I was referring to the brilliance of the possibility of such a defense being used. In the movie Safe House, this is what saves Patrick Stewart's life - and it is the reason he does not get murdered iirc.

It is an interesting movie, and will be interesting to see what the next scene brings. Popcorn, anyone? :)

No...but if you've got a box of tissues handy I'll take a few.

Sorry, it was not my intention to make light of the situation in order to cause sadness. I just find it all truly intriguing, and in many ways, it is a real life spy vs. spy thriller. I haven't read anything yet about this story that has made me want to cry, but I do feel for the man in that he probably undergoes more stress in one day than I do all year. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they are trying to murder Assange, and as Laura pointed out, if they (CIA, etc.) really wanted to do that, it would have probably already happened.

And of course I do have tissues available in addition to the popcorn. Because I really don't know what to expect next!

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Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Jason (ocean59) said:
Sorry, it was not my intention to make light of the situation in order to cause sadness.

No need to apologize, it's me... lately I just bust out bawling at the drop of a hat. Some of the tomato plants got too hot/dry and died...I cried, we pass roadkill on the highway...I cry, they can show a flood on the weather channel, and I'll start crying :-[

Evidently I'm turning "pre-menopausal" and crying a couple times a day is part of the package. Even reading SOTT has turned into a Kleenex consumption orgy. I shouldn't have replied to your post while I was all weepy. :cry:
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Guardian said:
Jason (ocean59) said:
Sorry, it was not my intention to make light of the situation in order to cause sadness.

No need to apologize, it's me... lately I just bust out bawling at the drop of a hat. Some of the tomato plants got too hot/dry and died...I cried, we pass roadkill on the highway...I cry, they can show a flood on the weather channel, and I'll start crying :-[

Evidently I'm turning "pre-menopausal" and crying a couple times a day is part of the package. Even reading SOTT has turned into a Kleenex consumption orgy. I shouldn't have replied to your post while I was all weepy. :cry:

:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

Tears are the rain that heals our hearts. Go ahead and cry when you need to. (((((Hugs))))))
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Gimpy said:
Guardian said:
Jason (ocean59) said:
Sorry, it was not my intention to make light of the situation in order to cause sadness.

No need to apologize, it's me... lately I just bust out bawling at the drop of a hat. Some of the tomato plants got too hot/dry and died...I cried, we pass roadkill on the highway...I cry, they can show a flood on the weather channel, and I'll start crying :-[

Evidently I'm turning "pre-menopausal" and crying a couple times a day is part of the package. Even reading SOTT has turned into a Kleenex consumption orgy. I shouldn't have replied to your post while I was all weepy. :cry:

:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

Tears are the rain that heals our hearts. Go ahead and cry when you need to. (((((Hugs))))))

So true. It is always better to let those emotions flow freely, than to hold them in. It's crazy world we live in!
((((Hugs also)))
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Jason (ocean59) said:
Gimpy said:
:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

Tears are the rain that heals our hearts. Go ahead and cry when you need to. (((((Hugs))))))

So true. It is always better to let those emotions flow freely, than to hold them in. It's crazy world we live in!
((((Hugs also)))

Thanks guys, it's just been one of those weeks...and it's only Wednesday. :rolleyes:

On top of everything else, I don't feel so great, kinda like I'm fighting off a cold.. headaches, throat hurts, etc., and I never get sick. I think something might be wrong with the AC, I keep smelling something weird...but no one else smells it, so it might just be me? I changed all three filters just in case.
Then I read about the Rhino mommy murdered for her horn, and got all snotty again
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Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Wikileaks Releases Nearly 100,000 Internal Military Documents From Afghanistan

Afghanistan war logs: Story behind biggest leak in intelligence history

From US military computers to a cafe in Brussels, how thousands of classified papers found their way to online activists

US authorities have known for weeks that they have suffered a haemorrhage of secret information on a scale which makes even the leaking of the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam war look limited by comparison.

The Afghan war logs, from which the Guardian reports today, consist of 92,201 internal records of actions by the US military in Afghanistan between January 2004 and December 2009 – threat reports from intelligence agencies, plans and accounts of coalition operations, descriptions of enemy attacks and roadside bombs, records of meetings with local politicians, most of them classified secret.

The Guardian's source for these is Wikileaks, the website which specialises in publishing untraceable material from whistleblowers, which is simultaneously publishing raw material from the logs.

Washington fears it may have lost even more highly sensitive material including an archive of tens of thousands of cable messages sent by US embassies around the world, reflecting arms deals, trade talks, secret meetings and uncensored opinion of other governments.

Wikileaks' founder, Julian Assange, says that in the last two months they have received yet another huge batch of "high-quality material" from military sources and that officers from the Pentagon's criminal investigations department have asked him to meet them on neutral territory to help them plug the sequence of leaks. He has not agreed to do so.

Behind today's revelations lie two distinct stories: first, of the Pentagon's attempts to trace the leaks with painful results for one young soldier; and second, a unique collaboration between the Guardian, the New York Times and Der Spiegel magazine in Germany to sift the huge trove of data for material of public interest and to distribute globally this secret record of the world's most powerful nation at war.

The Pentagon was slow to engage. The evidence they have now collected suggests it was last November that somebody working in a high-security facility inside a US military base in Iraq started to copy secret material. On 18 February Wikileaks posted a single document – a classified cable from the US embassy in Reykjavik to Washington, recording the complaints of Icelandic politicians that they were being bullied by the British and Dutch over the collapse of the Icesave bank; and the tart remark of an Icelandic diplomat who described his own president as "unpredictable". Some Wikileaks workers in Iceland claimed they saw signs that they were being followed after this disclosure.

But the Americans evidently were nowhere nearer to discovering the source when, on 5 April, Assange held a press conference in Washington to reveal US military video of a group of civilians in Baghdad, including two Reuters staff, being shot down in the street in 2007 by Apache helicopters: their crew could be heard crowing about their "good shooting" before destroying a van which had come to rescue a wounded man and which turned out to be carrying two children on its front seat.

It was not until late May that the Pentagon finally closed in on a suspect, and that was only after a very strange sequence of events. On 21 May, a Californian computer hacker called Adrian Lamo was contacted by somebody with the online name Bradass87 who started to swap instant messages with him. He was immediately extraordinarily open: "hi... how are you?… im an army intelligence analyst, deployed to eastern bagdad … if you had unprecedented access to classified networks, 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for 8+ months, what would you do?"

For five days, Bradass87 opened his heart to Lamo. He described how his job gave him access to two secret networks: the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, SIPRNET, which carries US diplomatic and military intelligence classified "secret"; and the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System which uses a different security system to carry similar material classified up to "top secret". He said this had allowed him to see "incredible things, awful things … that belong in the public domain and not on some server stored in a dark room in Washington DC … almost criminal political backdealings … the non-PR version of world events and crises."

Bradass87 suggested that "someone I know intimately" had been downloading and compressing and encrypting all this data and uploading it to someone he identified as Julian Assange. At times, he claimed he himself had leaked the material, suggesting that he had taken in blank CDs, labelled as Lady Gaga's music, slotted them into his high-security laptop and lip-synched to nonexistent music to cover his downloading: "i want people to see the truth," he said.

He dwelled on the abundance of the disclosure: "its open diplomacy … its Climategate with a global scope and breathtaking depth … its beautiful and horrifying … It's public data, it belongs in the public domain." At one point, Bradass87 caught himself and said: "i can't believe what im confessing to you." It was too late. Unknown to him, two days into their exchange, on 23 May, Lamo had contacted the US military. On 25 May he met officers from the Pentagon's criminal investigations department in a Starbucks and gave them a printout of Bradass87's online chat.

On 26 May, at US Forward Operating Base Hammer, 25 miles outside Baghdad, a 22-year-old intelligence analyst named Bradley Manning was arrested, shipped across the border to Kuwait and locked up in a military prison.

News of the arrest leaked out slowly, primarily through Wired News, whose senior editor, Kevin Poulsen, is a friend of Lamo's and who published edited extracts from Bradass87's chatlogs. Pressure started to build on Assange: the Pentagon said formally that it would like to find him; Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, said he thought Assange could be in some physical danger; Ellsberg and two other former whistleblowers warned that US agencies would "do all possible to make an example" of the Wikileaks founder. Assange cancelled a planned trip to Las Vegas and went to ground.

After several days trying to make contact through intermediaries, the Guardian finally caught up with Assange in a café in Brussels where he had surfaced to speak at the European parliament.

Assange volunteered that Wikileaks was in possession of several million files, which amounted to an untold history of American government activity around the world, disclosing numerous important and controversial activities. They were putting the finishing touches to an accessible version of the data which they were preparing to post immediately on the internet in order to pre-empt any attempt to censor it.

But he also feared that the significance of the logs and some of the important stories buried in them might be missed if they were simply dumped raw on to the web. Instead he agreed that a small team of specialist reporters from the Guardian could have access to the logs for a few weeks before Wikileaks published, to decode them and establish what they revealed about the conduct of the war.

To reduce the risk of gagging by the authorities, the database would also be made available to the New York Times and the German weekly, Der Spiegel which, along with the Guardian, would publish simultaneously in three different jurisdictions. Under the arrangement, Assange would have no influence on the stories we wrote, but would have a voice in the timing of publication.

He would place the first tranche of data in encrypted form on a secret website and the Guardian would access it with a user name and password constructed from the commercial logo on the cafe's napkin.

Today's stories are based on that batch of logs. Wikileaks has simultaneously published much of the raw data. It says it has been careful to weed out material which could jeopardise human sources.

Since the release of the Apache helicopter video, there has been some evidence of low-level attempts to smear Wikileaks. Online stories accuse Assange of spending Wikileaks money on expensive hotels (at a follow-up meeting in Stockholm, he slept on an office floor); of selling data to mainstream media (the subject of money was never mentioned); or charging for media interviews (also never mentioned).

Earlier this year, Wikileaks published a US military document which disclosed a plan to "destroy the centre of gravity" of Wikileaks by attacking its trustworthiness.

Meanwhile, somewhere in Kuwait, Manning has been charged under US miitary law with improperly downloading and releasing information, including the Icelandic cable and the video of Apache helicopters shooting civilians in Baghdad. He faces trial by court martial with the promise of a heavy jail sentence.

Ellsberg has described Manning as "a new hero of mine". In his online chat, Bradass87 looked into the future: "god knows what happens now … hopefully, worldwide discussion, debates and reforms. if not … we're doomed."
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

And a very interesting interactive map here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablog/interactive/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-war-logs-events - which is a collection of logs assembled by The Guardian of what they refer to as significant events. All the red dots refer to civilian casualties (of which this is probably a very small sample).

This all kinda smells like controlled opposition a la "limited hangout". I would think that the missing cables would be more sensitive to PTB interests than the logs. Let's see if those ever get public release.
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Heimdallr said:
This all kinda smells like controlled opposition a la "limited hangout". I would think that the missing cables would be more sensitive to PTB interests than the logs. Let's see if those ever get public release.

Julian has denied having any "State Department Cables" since the US governmental first accused Manning of passing them to Julian.
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Pretty good watch:

1of11 WikiLeaks Keynote Address at The Next HOPE 7-22-10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U7dAujk5E4&feature=player_embedded
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

That the Zionist controlled media is involved in this instead of just ignoring Assange into oblivion is highly suspect. What does Israel have to gain by hanging the U.S. out to dry? And what do the Zionists in Washington have to gain by continuing to support Israel in the face of the facts on the ground: that Israel has been spying against the U.S. for decades; that Israel did the U.S.S. Liberty thing; that Israel did 9-11; that probably the missing trillions that were reported just before 9-11 have all gone to Israel; and on and on and on.

In short, why is Israel destroying the U.S., setting up the conditions for Revolution, and why is the U.S. helping with both hands?

My guess is what it has always been: that Israel has tons of personal info on each and every individual in public office in the U.S. (with possibly one or two exceptions) and has been blackmailing them for cooperation for years. Not just public office people, but journalists, judges, and anybody in any position to really do anything about exposing or stopping Israel.

When you ask "cui bono" about an ultimate outcome, you are asking the wrong question because psychopaths do not have any ability to plan ahead, to understand consequences to themselves. This is one of the reasons that people have problems understanding these "conspiracy theory" scenarios. They cannot imagine the utter stupidity of the psychopath in terms of future and consequences to the self.
 
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Jason (ocean59) said:
Pretty good watch:

1of11 WikiLeaks Keynote Address at The Next HOPE 7-22-10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U7dAujk5E4&feature=player_embedded
Some key points of the video (Clif Notes due to length of video):


WL rep: "But it's important to remember that Wikileaks is not just Julian. So, this whole idea of hunting for him, you can cut off the head, but there will be more. You just...can't stop us."

The video as a whole is interesting because it is the first time I have seen a spokesperson other than Assange representing the organization. Emmanuel Goldstein introduces him only as "Wikileaks" and his slide show displays the name Jacob Appelbaum. He begins with a lengthy "please don't arrest me" spiel, as the HOPE conference is a major well known hackers conference, and Feds are always in attendance by default.

Also, they announce that the WL legal team representing Manning is demanding $200,000 before they will continue to work on the case, and the beginning of a fundraiser.

Most of the rest is detailed vision and detailed current and future strategy of WL, with many specific ideas. It is suggested, amongst other things, that what must really now be done for Wikileaks to continue properly is for Americans to demand legal resolutions similar to Iceland be passed on the protection of freedom of information.

The assertions of Wikileaks having been founded upon Tor sniffing are strongly refuted and the journalists involved are denounced as well.

The announcement of the resumption of secure submissions for new leaks is made (overhaul complete), and the new URLs are displayed for all to see and disseminate. Additional security measures involving a complex SSL Fingerprint are also shown for the first time, with the request reproduce far and wide. Also, they will be utilizing the bittorrent system for future distribution via dynamic magnet URLs. Many other technical security details are discussed thoroughly.

Ultimately the entire hacker community is called upon to help out with security under these new frameworks, to root out and discover attempts at hijacking and subversion. Many calls to action are made throughout for anyone and everyone to join in and help the project, whether by creating addition Tor exit nodes for WL, or sharing the security details of WL protocol far and wide. The repeating meme was "Stop just thinking about it and start doing something to help us make this work" In short: they need help, and lots of it, in many different areas and on many levels.

I particularly liked the closing motto/spiel "Think globally, hack locally" :)

A somewhat insightful look at the organization, from multiple standpoints. He seems pretty sincere, imo, but you still hard to call at this point. I'd like to hear what that guy in particular has to say about 9/11. In conjunction with Julian's remarks, I think this would be highly significant to know. All I could find on Google was a tweet he made to someone just last week recommending this very interesting investigation from the Washington Post into the secret government formed in the wake of 9/11 and how it is out of control today.

For a somewhat critical but mostly empty response to this speech, you can check out this guy's blog on blogspot, he makes some interesting points: The Next Hope and Wikileaks are wrong about Bradley Manning
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Laura said:
That the Zionist controlled media is involved in this instead of just ignoring Assange into oblivion is highly suspect. What does Israel have to gain by hanging the U.S. out to dry? And what do the Zionists in Washington have to gain by continuing to support Israel in the face of the facts on the ground: that Israel has been spying against the U.S. for decades; that Israel did the U.S.S. Liberty thing; that Israel did 9-11; that probably the missing trillions that were reported just before 9-11 have all gone to Israel; and on and on and on.

In short, why is Israel destroying the U.S., setting up the conditions for Revolution, and why is the U.S. helping with both hands?

My guess is what it has always been: that Israel has tons of personal info on each and every individual in public office in the U.S. (with possibly one or two exceptions) and has been blackmailing them for cooperation for years. Not just public office people, but journalists, judges, and anybody in any position to really do anything about exposing or stopping Israel.

When you ask "cui bono" about an ultimate outcome, you are asking the wrong question because psychopaths do not have any ability to plan ahead, to understand consequences to themselves. This is one of the reasons that people have problems understanding these "conspiracy theory" scenarios. They cannot imagine the utter stupidity of the psychopath in terms of future and consequences to the self.


Sounds about right. It certainly makes me wonder if there isn't some sort of Israeli connection to WL. They are, after all, quite talented in the ways of information control and predetermined 'anonymous' events that end up being rather high profile and shaping the course of politics.

Total anonymity corrupts anonymously I guess. What other country would even be able to offer Assange 'protection' against the government manhunt anyways? Clearly he is being protected by some large unseen forces, and I don't think it's Iceland, or the hacker community (as evidenced by the neverending "Please help us, we need help" and "Please don't arrest me" in the last vid I posted). Seems they are getting along just fine all things considered, without even a hint of actual trouble or shutdown attempt despite all the rhetoric. Assange still gives public talks without problems, and so does Appelbaum. Seems a little too smooth sailing really.

On the other hand, it is kind of big news when 90,000 leaked intelligence documents are released, and with the promise of another classified video on the way. and I think it'd be pretty difficult for the MSM not to cover loudly.

Also exists the possibility, that perhaps they don't actually have any control over Assange and WL at all (however unlikely), and that keeping a media spotlight on him will be a tool they can use to monitor and further manipulate the situation (as in, if he steps too far out of line in the future, whatever smear/disinfo campaign that is run would be immediate and far reaching).
 
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Jason (ocean59) said:
On the other hand, it is kind of big news when 90,000 leaked intelligence documents are released, and with the promise of another classified video on the way. and I think it'd be pretty difficult for the MSM not to cover loudly.

Solid evidence of almost 5000 innocent civilians slaughtered, many of them children....when the US has maintained there's "only" been about 500 civilian casualties. Approx. 1 in 4 KILLS have been non combatants.

If you had to choose what to expose to the world next, can you think of anything you'd rather shine a spotlight on?

Also exists the possibility, that perhaps they don't actually have any control over Assange and WL at all (however unlikely)

Perhaps the murdering psychopaths currently in control of this planet are just beginning to realize that they've become completely and utterly dependent on a form of technology that less than 1% of them can even remotely understand? Rumor has it that "hackers" are REALLY good at planning ahead...wayyyyyyyyy ahead.
 
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