Julian Assange Discussion

Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

go2 said:
Guardian, what is this secret plan? Do you mean Operation Clean Break?

How should I know? It really wouldn't be much of a "secret plan" if it was posted all over the Internet now would it? ;D

All I'm saying is that I'd watch what happens as opposed to listen to what third parties have to say about Julian.
"Julian believes this" and "Julian thinks that" is really a huge waste of time IMHO.

It's the documents Wikileaks has just posted, and what is to come, which are important. People can estimate casualties and speculate on US military and intelligence operations 'til the cows come home...but making raw data on the MURDERS public is something else entirely.

It's not over 'til the fat Cray sings :)
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Trouble in paradise?

http://news.webindia123.com/news/articles/World/20100730/1556988.html

US Vice-President says problems within ISI being dealt with
Washington | July 30, 2010 12:01:13 AM IST

US Vice President Joe Biden has said that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI)'s links with the Taliban, highlighted in the leaked US classified military documents, was a problem that his government is dealing with.

WikiLeaks, the whistle-blower organization has posted over 90000 classified documents about the Afghan war on its website, which suggests that between 2004 and 2009, elements of ISI had armed, trained and financed the Taliban.

"I'm getting very close to what I shouldn't be talking about in terms of classification. But what was talked about in those leaks were the intelligence community within the ISI," The Daily Times quoted Biden, as having said on NBC's "Today" show.

"That is the sort of the CIA of Pakistan. That has been a problem in the past. It is a problem we're dealing with and is changing," he added.

Biden further said that the US is moving forward in the war on terror, and identifying locations in and around the Pakistan-Afghanistan border areas.

"I assure you, we are doing significant damage to Al-Qaeda in Pakistan as well as in Afghanistan so we're making progress. But the truth of the matter is that there's more to go," Biden said.

"We're in Afghanistan for one express purpose, Al-Qaeda, the threat to the US. Al-Qaeda exists in those mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are not there to nation build. We're not out there deciding we're going to turn this into a Jeffersonian democracy and build that country," he added. (ANI)
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Snowball effect in progress?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38493475/ns/us_news-security/

WikiLeaks founder vows more leaks
New whistleblowers said to provide 'significant' documents on BP spill, military abuses


WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange holds up an issue of the British daily The Guardian at a news conference Monday in London, after the site published 91,000 secret U.S. documents on the war in Afghanistan.
by Michael Isikoff National investigative correspondent
NBC News


The WikiLeaks website has received additional “very significant” material about U.S. military abuses from anonymous whistleblowers since the publication of its leaked Afghan war logs and plans to post the new documents within weeks, the group’s founder said Friday.

In an interview with NBC News, Julian Assange, the controversial WikiLeaks chief, said in just the last few days the website — which aggressively solicits leaked documents from whistleblowers — has received a "wide variety" of fresh material, including documents on the oil giant BP and "internal abuses," including sexual abuse, within the U.S. military. The enormous international publicity given the Afghan documents has “emboldened” more whistleblowers to step forward and contact the organization, he said.

Assange’s vow to publicize more internal government documents comes in the wake of furious criticism of WikiLeaks from the Obama administration and members of Congress over its publication of 91,000 classified U.S. documents on the war in Afghanistan — at least some of which appear to identify the names of U.S. and Afghan government informants and cooperative parties in the war against the Taliban.

The U.S. military, working with the FBI, also has stepped up its investigation into the disclosure, announcing Friday that it had transferred Army intelligence analyst Pfc. Bradley Manning — described by Pentagon officials as a “person of interest” in the probe — from Kuwait to Quantico, Va. Manning already stands accused of providing WikiLeaks with a video of a U.S. air strike that killed civilians in Iraq.

At a news conference at the Pentagon on Thursday, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates charged that the WikiLeaks material had endangered the safety of U.S. troops and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that Assange and WikiLeaks may “already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family.”
Story: Pentagon: Leak probe may go beyond military

But Assange shot back Friday that if the names of any Afghan informants were identified in the WikiLeaks documents, the U.S. military has only itself to blame for what he said would be a “disgraceful” lapse in security by allowing easy accessibility to such material. While declining to identify any of the organizations sources, he said the documents were available through SIPRNET (Secret Internet Protocol Router Network) — the Defense Department’s standard classified Internet network that is widely accessible to “hundreds of thousands” of soldiers and defense contractors around the world.

Even WikiLeaks internally uses “code names” and code words to shield the identities of its sources, he said.
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Birgitta Jónsdóttir: Wikileaks Docs Expose Obama's Lies on Winning The War in Afghanistan 1/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5V8UreNiIg&feature=player_embedded

Birgitta Jónsdóttir: Wikileaks Docs Expose Obama's Lies on Winning The War in Afghanistan 2/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed9MsmJxWmU&feature=related

Birgitta Jónsdóttir: Wikileaks Docs Expose Obama's Lies on Winning The War in Afghanistan 3/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_ZdSQinAsU&feature=related
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

I believe this is the same "Chris Floyd" who's attempting to minimize the affect of the Afgan War Diaries
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212865-Leaky-Vessels-Wikileaks-Revelations-Will-Comfort-Washington-Warmongers-Confirm-Conventional-Wisdom

The same "Chris Floyd" who writes for the Christian Science Monitor.
Al'righty then ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q93Wsi0Qf8&feature=player_embedded


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Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Guardian said:
Assange to NDTV: ISI danger is very real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxmvsc-634E

Of course it is. That is because the ISI was involved in helping to launder money for 9-11. See: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/mahmoud_ahmed.htm
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Laura said:
Guardian said:
Assange to NDTV: ISI danger is very real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxmvsc-634E

Of course it is. That is because the ISI was involved in helping to launder money for 9-11. See: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/mahmoud_ahmed.htm

I think it's pretty obvious that Wikileaks is preaching to the choir when it comes to this group and a scant few others. At first it was somewhat disturbing to read the "So what, this isn't anything we didn't already know" responses to the release of 90,000 + documents proving various war crimes and illegal conspiracies. Then I realized that many of the people throwing around the criticism don't understand that the release of the classified documents, and what is yet to come... is being done to educate/wake up the other 99.9% of the population.

NO offense intended here, but you guys are NOT the norm (which is exactly why the forum feels like "home" to me) I doubt that anything Wikileaks publishes will come as a surprise to anyone here...but there are 10's of MILLIONS of people who just might shift their thinking and open their minds just a bit when they see hard EVIDENCE of this evil machine posted right before their eyes.

By USING the mainstream media, Wikileaks now has the attention of the entire world and I doubt that there is a government on this planet that hasn't downloaded the docs and assigned a team to go through them with a fine toothed comb. Rumor has it that there's a lot of alliance breaking info in them there files.

Watching the "elite" tie themselves in knots as they try various spin control methods would be funny if this entire endeavor wasn't so deadly serious. The entire worldwide US/Israel/Corporate illusion is based upon myths and fictions that Wikileaks is doing its very best to publicly shred...and the party's just getting started.
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

The Listening Post - WikiLeaks and the media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibdTVXatBjY
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Guardian said:
I think it's pretty obvious that Wikileaks is preaching to the choir when it comes to this group and a scant few others. At first it was somewhat disturbing to read the "So what, this isn't anything we didn't already know" responses to the release of 90,000 + documents proving various war crimes and illegal conspiracies. Then I realized that many of the people throwing around the criticism don't understand that the release of the classified documents, and what is yet to come... is being done to educate/wake up the other 99.9% of the population.

The problem is, without context, a lot of what is being released is not helping things. And then there are the obvious issue with Assange and 9-11. But, we'll see what happens. It's easy to jump on the "he's just cointelpro" bandwagon when that may not be the case. He just may be a very good geek and a very bad analyst.
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Just got this in my mailbox:

Wiki-Leaks is Israel (like we all didn’t know)

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WikiLeaks is lame. Please, everyone, go to the site and read everything there. I have seen more confidential information on a weather report... When you read Mr. Assange’s output, you are looking at one of the Mossad games, nothing more... The game today is using Wikileaks, given its 15 minutes of fame for trashing the US in Iraq with the helicopter video, to spread imaginary stories about Pakistan, the only nuclear power in the Middle East capable of standing up to Israel, and the enemy of India [NB: Perhaps even more important, Pakistan is a staunch ally of China — a most dangerous liaison where USrael is concerned]
____________________________________


By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Veterans Today
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/screenhunter_24-jul-29-12-45/

Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners. What is our “leak” site really about? This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it off as the story of the century.

Even the cover story, the mysterious Assange fleeing the murderous CIA, working to save the world is lame. WikiLeaks is lame. Please, everyone, go to the site and read everything there. I have seen more confidential information on a weather report. Assange is hardly a James Bond figure. Woody Allen is masculine in comparison.

Journalists all get leaks, and frankly, we don’t print most of them. Some we can’t trust. Some are just too dangerous. Some are simply illegal. Some are blatantly self serving Israeli propaganda coated with a veneer of anti-Americanism. This is “Wiki-leaks” material. What is important is what they don’t print. The only things that come out about Israel, the country most vulnerable to leaks, the country always up to the most skullduggery, is an occasional harmless story like their major leak on East Jerusalem settlements. It hit the New York Times first.

When you read Mr. Assange’s output, you are looking at one of the Mossad games, nothing more. They send some stories to Fox News, some to CNN, some to the Washington Post or London Times. They have their pick as their friends and co-workers own those outlets and so many more. The game today is using Wikileaks, given its 15 minutes of fame for trashing the US in Iraq with the helicopter video, to spread imaginary stories about Pakistan, the only nuclear power in the Middle East capable of standing up to Israel and the enemy of India.

India is what it is all really about. Israel is playing India for a fall, drawing them into their games the way they did with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan. India will wake up with their government bought off, blackmailed, up to their neck in wars and insurgencies at home and fighting Israel’s enemies abroad. India is the next real target for rape, destruction, destabilization by Israel and our “Wiki-leak” is part of that game. [NB: If you aren’t already aware: India is by far Israel’s strongest ally in that hemisphere. Do your research; you’ll be shocked by the plethora of joint manufacturing and development programs currently going on between these two countries. Oh, and the Mumbai bombing: Absolutely a Mossad-ISI-CIA false flag]...

Another chosen victim, of course, is the United States, hated enemy of Israel, not for public consumption, however. Check the names of those who looted the American economy. In the top dresser drawer of 80% of those who took the US into bankruptcy, you will find an Israeli passport.

Did anyone ask why nothing was reported in 90,000 pages regarding the massive drug dealing in Afghanistan? With stories in the press around the world reporting that President Karzai and his brother are the biggest druglords in the world, why would this not be mentioned? Is it because Karzai is a good friend of the Indo-Israeli alliance that runs Wiki-leaks?

Classified Army documents are filled to the brim with reports that the CIA and their private contractors are involved in drug operations with Karzai but also other names are named including many prominent Americans, some members of congress. I won’t leak their names but I know they are in the documents. If Wiki got what they say they got, then most of their documents would have reported corruption, drug dealing, governments of a dozen countries would have been mentioned.

If real leaks were made public and we did something about it, first by arresting the gangsters and spies filling congress, the White House and every federal agency, we might balance our budget but who would be left to do the Sunday morning talk shows? If you want the names of those who would really be on leaked documents, check your TV listings. It isn’t a coincidence. Those chosen to lie on television are also being paid for other duties as well.

Israel would have been cited for laundering drug money for the Taliban. It is in the documents. I didn’t release them. That is illegal.

BG Asif Haroon Raja of Pakistan, former Attache to Egypt and respected intelligence analyst had the following to say about the Wiki barrage:


“Unsubstantiated and fabricated allegations against Pakistan and its premier institutions are so absurd and decayed that it gives nausea to the reader. Only ones who enjoy the stale jokes are its manufacturers or the game players. ISI-Taliban closeness has been drummed up in such a manner as if it is the biggest sin ever committed. Each time it is presented with a new flavor to make it look more breathtaking. This unholy practice has been going on systematically and incessantly for the last six years to condition the minds of the world audience and to convert falsehood into truth. Story of this nature is routinely published in western media every fortnightly.

In the last few months write ups on this subject have suddenly gained impetus. Previously, accusations were in the form of allegations made by newspapers and think tanks. Now top US civil and military officials have jumped into the arena with loins girded up and have started using high handed tactics openly without caring for diplomatic decorum. Propaganda assault together with verbal assaults by visiting officials and drone attacks have become a norm. They have become xenophobic and overbearing. This can be gauged from the mood of the three US visitors who visited Islamabad recently.

Prickly Hillary Clinton can see ghost of Osama sauntering in Pakistan each time she lands in Pakistan . Through her lens she sees ISI in cahoots with Taliban. She again reminded our harried rulers that any attack on US homeland with connection to Pakistan would have devastating consequences upon Pak-US relations. She conceitedly dangled few carrots to make them do more. Grim looking Holbrooke and tense ridden Adm. Mike Mullen harbored similar ideas. The trio wanted Pak Army to cut off its entire links with Taliban, consider Indians as friends and to promptly launch an operation in North Waziristan to chase out Haqqani network and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the two outfits most dreaded by USA . LeT has been put on the hit list to please India .

Wikileaks is a follow up of London Report and some of the objectives behind it are to keep Pakistan pressured and cornered, authenticate Indian allegations about ISI’s involvement in various acts of terror in Afghanistan, demonise LeT and defame ISI, exert pressure on Obama Administration to affect a change in its policy of softness towards Pakistan, reconciliation with Taliban and withdrawal of coalition forces. India together with Northern Alliance and pro-war American senior officials are possibly behind the Wikileaks scandal. This report is less harmful for Pakistan and more injurious for USA since source reports on Pakistan mostly provided by RAAM and RAW agents were never taken seriously by the receivers. Receiving officers have been noting their remarks on such reports as lacking in authenticity, biased and devoid of credibility. Moreover, such manipulated leakages would further widen rather than build trust gap between USA and Pakistan .”


When Joe Biden and General Petraeus both reported that Israel was endangering American troops, the classified portion of this involved Israeli operations in Afghanistan, which are extensive. Why would General Petraeus have gone to congress about Israel if he didn’t have documents? We couldn’t manage to leak those also? They are all over Washington, anyone could pick them up. They just don’t. Ask Oliver Stone why.

Hundreds of pages of reports of Israeli and Indian operatives in Pakistan’s region called Baluchistan were tossed out also. Their involvement in terrorism, not only against Iran but working directly with the Taliban in Pakistan was there but not included. So much wasn’t included.

Nothing involving drug flights being serviced by Israeli companies was released. It was in the files. If we really want to leak things, they are out there. It can get bloody.

Wikileaks leaves a trail of stench from Mr. Assange right to Tel Aviv. If anyone couldn’t see it, the corporate press or the Israeli press or the Zionist press or whatever the current buzz word is for the useless press, they put you on the path. They are the ones putting a spotlight on the disinformation and failing miserably to note how obviously the leaks have been edited to serve Israeli games.

Wikileaks is Israel. Assange works for them, I hope not unwittingly. I hate it when people are duped. I would rather he were paid or being blackmailed. I always want the useless to be rewarded in this life because, just in case their is another one after this, they know what they can expect there.

It won’t be pleasant.

I didn’t want to write this, add to the problem. Even negative publicity is publicity. Every time I am attacked, my readership goes up dramatically. It almost encourages one to be abrasive and unnecessarily controversial, like with Fox News.

Let’s cut this short. Wikileaks is simply another ploy by the ultra powerful Israel lobby, a cheap game meant to humiliate the United States, destroy Paksitan and build a reputation for a puppet. I suspect it will fail. I hope this effort is useful in that endeavor.
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Laura said:
The problem is, without context, a lot of what is being released is not helping things.

Not yet anyway...but then again, it's been less than a week, and rumor has it that Wikileaks is just getting warmed up. Perhaps not putting the data into any particular context was intentional? Maybe Wikileaks hopes that grassroots, human journalists will render the data for their readers and viewers... the "small people?"

I've never seen where Julian or anyone with Wikileaks have claimed to be anything other than data miners? Ultimately, it's up to each and every citizen to decide if they want to investigate the truth, or turn their backs on the reality of war. I think not using the data to try and impose any particular viewpoint might fall into the respecting free will category?

And then there are the obvious issue with Assange and 9-11.

According to a guy named "Matthew Bell" ...whose alleged quote from Julian is being posted to every disinfo site on the net. If I were Julian I really wouldn't give a whole lot of energy to lies being told about me in order to distract from the truth of what I was actually posting. Would you?

But, we'll see what happens. It's easy to jump on the "he's just cointelpro" bandwagon when that may not be the case. He just may be a very good geek and a very bad analyst.

He could also be a very good geek with no desire to be an analyst. Perhaps he wants to teach people to think for themselves...and give them the tools to do so. As you say, we'll just have to see what happens. :)
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Laura said:
Just got this in my mailbox:

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Veterans Today
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/screenhunter_24-jul-29-12-45/

This would be the same Gordon Duff (ex-Marine) who's been telling folks that Israel is going to assassinate Obama?

I'd send him a copy of your book :P
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Please keep in mind that "Cryptome" is owned and operated by the US government, and wired.com appears to be controlled by the PTB as well...so reading between the lines is advised..


http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/wikileaks-insurance-file/
WikiLeaks Posts Mysterious ‘Insurance’ File

* By Kim Zetter Email Author
* July 30, 2010 |
* 3:09 pm |

In the wake of strong U.S. government statements condemning WikiLeaks’ recent publishing of 77,000 Afghan War documents, the secret-spilling site has posted a mysterious encrypted file labeled “insurance.”

The huge file, posted on the Afghan War page at the WikiLeaks site, is 1.4 GB and is encrypted with AES256. The file’s size dwarfs the size of all the other files on the page combined. The file has also been posted on a torrent download site.

WikiLeaks, on Sunday, posted several files containing the 77,000 Afghan war documents in a single “dump” file and in several other files containing versions of the documents in various searchable formats.

Cryptome, a separate secret-spilling site, has speculated that the new file added days later may have been posted as insurance in case something happens to the WikiLeaks website or to the organization’s founder, Julian Assange. In either scenario, WikiLeaks volunteers, under a prearranged agreement with Assange, could send out a password or passphrase to allow anyone who has downloaded the file to open it.

It’s not known what the file contains but it could include the balance of data that U.S. Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning claimed to have leaked to Assange before he was arrested in May.


In chats with former hacker Adrian Lamo, Manning disclosed that he had provided Assange with a different war log cache than the one that WikiLeaks already published. This one was said to contain 500,000 events from the Iraq War between 2004 and 2009. WikiLeaks has never commented on whether it received that cache.

Additionally, Manning said he sent Assange video showing a deadly 2009 U.S. firefight near the Garani village in Afghanistan that local authorities say killed 100 civilians, most of them children, as well as 260,000 U.S. State Department cables.

Manning never mentioned leaking the Afghan War log to WikiLeaks in his chats with Lamo, but Defense Department officials told The Wall Street Journal that investigators had found evidence on Manning’s Army computer that tied him to that leak.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen strongly condemned WikiLeaks’ publication of the Afghan War log at a Pentagon press briefing on Thursday.

Gates said the leak was “potentially severe and dangerous for our troops, our allies and our Afghan partners” and said that “tactics, techniques and procedures will become known to our adversaries” as a result.

Mullen was even more direct and said that WikiLeaks “might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier” or an Afghan informant who aided the United States.

Several media outlets have found the names of Afghan informants in the documents WikiLeaks published, as well as information identifying their location in some instances. A Taliban spokesman told Britain’s Channel 4 news that the group was sifting through the WikiLeaks documents to get the names of suspected informants and would punish anyone found to have collaborated with the United States and its allies.

Wired.com has sent a message to WikiLeaks inquiring about the file.

Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/wikileaks-insurance-file/#ixzz0vHCc9xWP
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

You gonna download it and try to figure out the password?
 
Re: Soldier Betrayed by Online Informant with Wikileaks

Laura said:
You gonna download it and try to figure out the password?

LOL... I bet every government on the planet is trying to decrypt it as we speak. I think I'll just save a copy for a rainy day. ;)
 
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