Personally, I would agree with this statement.
I was confused when I read this:
I'm wondering why the C's would call this particular karma, 'punishment'.
Karmic and Simple Understandings.
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Personally, I would agree with this statement.
I was confused when I read this:
I'm wondering why the C's would call this particular karma, 'punishment'.
Maybe punishment is not the exactly right word, as we tend to use it. In the Cs notation ‘punishment’ is more akin to some ‘balancing’ of past deeds. In order to progress further up the staircase, all deeds that run counter to STO goals (effectively STS) need to be offset by deeds oriented towards STO. Like the weighing on a scale - however, what offsets what may be more complicated than we perceive here on 3D.
Maybe this is too simplistic, but this is my current understanding.
Maybe this is too simplistic, but this is my current understanding.
Chetofloj
Jedi
The black race is very strong, they are physically strong, perhaps in the past they behaved very hostile towards others.
yes, cayce said it
BHelmet
The Living Force
Because a spade is a spade? Even if the outside observer feels it should be a club because spades are pointy?
IOW Objective reality meets subjective wishes about what realty “should” be? We can see what we wish to be true as the manifested dominant reality precisely because there is a part of us that wishes it was true here in the world we inhabit and certainly it must be true somewhere, at the very least.
Why shouldn’t Karma be punishment when that is what is required and even actually desired? I think calling it punishment is the issue. It’s a loaded term fraught with triggers. If we call karma a “natural reaction or consequence” to our actions thoughts and feelings, does that change it?
Simpler to call a spade a spade. “Y’all F’d up big time. Only way your soul advances is through suffering. Next!”
How to move forward with finding an "End of a Karmic Cycle in My Life"
In the end, it will be the little things in life that have the most meaning
Breaking Free: Recognizing the End of a Karmic Cycle in My Life
For those who identify with the concept of karma, you might be familiar with the idea of karmic lessons, which are profound lessons that remain unresolved and transcend lifetimes. Karmic lessons encompass the themes and situations we failed to learn from in the past.
Like Laura said with Cassiopaean's:
Session 24 November 1994
A: Absolutely don't let others distract you. You have suffered many attempts at distraction away from truth. Now follow some proclamations: Pause. All there is is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even inanimate matter learns it is all an "Illusion." Each individual possesses all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access.
Session 24 November 1994
A: Absolutely don't let others distract you. You have suffered many attempts at distraction away from truth. Now follow some proclamations: Pause. All there is is lessons. This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even inanimate matter learns it is all an "Illusion." Each individual possesses all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access.
I think, because whatever we do to others it will comeback to us, good or bad.soon or later. So, we have to learn and respect others Free Will.
18.12 Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but forgiveness of self. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.
Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.
I always thought that karma is, "What goes around comes around" or "You reap what you sow". I thought I would put the question, "What is Karma" in the Brave search. They have, what I am assuming, is an AI at the top of the page that responds to what is put in the search bar. Here are a couple things it said, which, basically, is what I have always thought Karma is:
So as far as I see it, yes, Karma can be punishment for things you have done in the past that harmed others. But that's just my understanding of it.
I have come to understand that karma involves both past life deeds and events in the span of a lifetime. As far as I have read:
Karma makes you change roles. When you were the victimizer in the next life you are the victim. The lesson is: Put yourself in the other's shoes.
In the span of one lifetime, without having to reincarnate, crimes and/or mistakes that have immediate punishment, whether you go to prison or are expelled from a group, etc.
Karma can also be to lead a life without the bourgeois joys but with moments of peace for the purpose of reflection. Sometimes an unfruitful life (e.g. not having children, not being successful in your endeavors) puts us in the situation where a plant when pruned and prevented from bearing fruit, makes it grow stronger and healthier.
Karma can also be when we are in the process of learning, we get depressed, our body hurts and then we recover. The same process of cleansing hurts us because we have to scrape off the dirt that is stuck in the body, and in the soul.
Karma could also be one's own inner struggle between two opinions and making difficult decisions, because in the past we were passive, indifferent or simply ignorant.
We can deal with a single karma, or several karmas, from past lives and current karmas.
Karma makes you change roles. When you were the victimizer in the next life you are the victim. The lesson is: Put yourself in the other's shoes.
In the span of one lifetime, without having to reincarnate, crimes and/or mistakes that have immediate punishment, whether you go to prison or are expelled from a group, etc.
Karma can also be to lead a life without the bourgeois joys but with moments of peace for the purpose of reflection. Sometimes an unfruitful life (e.g. not having children, not being successful in your endeavors) puts us in the situation where a plant when pruned and prevented from bearing fruit, makes it grow stronger and healthier.
Karma can also be when we are in the process of learning, we get depressed, our body hurts and then we recover. The same process of cleansing hurts us because we have to scrape off the dirt that is stuck in the body, and in the soul.
Karma could also be one's own inner struggle between two opinions and making difficult decisions, because in the past we were passive, indifferent or simply ignorant.
We can deal with a single karma, or several karmas, from past lives and current karmas.
Chetofloj
Jedi
I have roots from the Inca Indians since they were in Bolivia and northwest Argentina.
The Indians were exterminated, colonized, conquered, however there are still Aboriginal tribes.
I have an Italian family too so I guess I don't have to pay the karma of my ancestors?
A mix of Romans and Incas haha what a mix! I hope to have the Gene subversive to the Nephalim influence the Cs said that Semitism does not necessarily have to do with Jews.
Bernardo GA
Jedi
I feel quite identified with that.
Thank you Noctus for raising your question.
As you may have noticed, my comment was not very precise.
When I gave my opinion, I did not know or did not remember that the Cas had used the word “punishment” in relation or linkage with Karma.
Evidently my statement was not correct, at least it was not correct in its entirety.
I have noticed that I still have a lot of biases to keep discovering in myself.
Since I have been on the forum I keep putting things out of my mind, which are really a hindrance.
In this particular case, I think I must find objectivity in the concept or true meaning of the term “punishment”.
I can acknowledge and confess, that I have always felt repulsion for the concept or idea of “punishment”.
It may be that the emotional factor has a lot to do with this.
Specifically, my biased view regarding the link that Karma may have with punishment, may be because of certain unpleasant things that I have observed in the educational system in general, in early education both at the family and institutional level, etc.
Something that could illustrate what I mean, is for example, that it is too common to see that when the adult in charge of protecting, guiding, teaching children, they emphatically use the resource of reward or punishment, to achieve for example, that a child stops bothering another child.
Something typical is: “If you don't stop bothering your classmate, or your little brother, this afternoon you won't go to play ball with your friends”, or “You won't eat dessert”, etc.
If this is what is sown, if in order to educate children they are permanently made to think about the benefits or detriments that they will obtain FOR THEMSELVES according to their actions, if the emphasis for an educational system is placed there, neglecting and underestimating the bases of true learning, that is, what is the most important thing for them.
bases of true learning, which is what we call here “External Consideration”, without the latter as a primary basis in the educational system, human society as a whole will continue to get sicker and sicker.
It is true that there are many people who, with good judgment, manage to make the children in this type of situation reconsider, making them aware of the suffering of the other child, and only if there is no other choice, they resort to the other measures mentioned above, because these are also necessary in their proper measure.
But unfortunately these people who handle this matter with balance are the great minority, and they do not owe their good judgment to the education system.
They are resilient, and the children who find themselves in their path are fortunate.
It is evident that STS is in charge.
They are infiltrated in all areas, and what they begin to model in the human psyche at an early age, they take advantage of and reinforce even more, influencing through religions, where they are also infiltrated, deforming the true messages from on high, using half-truths to deceive.
The implanted idea of a God who will reward those who behave well and punish those who misbehave, is very easy to assimilate and/or accept by a huge number of people, since they have been educated, not to say trained, since childhood, with the emphasis placed on “Internal Consideration”.
I know what I am saying is not news to people here in the forum.
I am only bringing it up, because I am trying to find the reason for my predisposition to the term “punishment”.
I guess seeing so much manipulation based on fear of punishment, seeing so much underhanded terrorism in the education system, seeing humanity headed for greater slavery than it is already in, sometimes it makes it hard to be objective in thought.
I agree with you.
Things are what they are, beyond the name we give them.
Likewise, agreeing on how we name such a thing or such another thing, I think it is essential to be able to communicate.
I don't know if you agree with me on that point.
Maybe it's just your interpretation, but for me it was more than that, as something so simple made me think quite a bit. Thanks for that, and to everyone for sharing so much interesting, and enlightening stuff.
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Il Matto
Jedi
I've been wondering about 'Karmic Understandings' in the context of my own life and the above makes sense to me.
Along with the question, mentioned earlier in the thread, about Karma being referred to as a punishment, my first thought about this was to think of this in terms of lessons. If the universe is one big school and lessons are all there are then it seems reasonable to me that we will be faced with the lessons we need to learn one way or another - it may seem like a punishment, but that may be because we're still looking at what it being offered to us from a self-serving perspective (or at least I understand that to be my initial perspective when faced with something hard that I need to learn).
The important thing is that we do what must be done to release the Karmic programmes with knowledge input; paying close attention to reality; mediation and breathwork.
In the factory-style set up of modern schooling that demands conformity, I think it inevitable that this sort of coercion is the favoured method for maintaining control. I don't think that 'learning' (beyond a materialistic, utilitarian sense of the word) is really what schools are for.
I'd be very interested to read an expansion of your thoughts on the idea of external consideration as the basis of true learning - how do you think that relates to simple and karmic understandings?
Seconded.
