Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

[3DStudent]

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Those are very good readings. I would guess that your fasting glucose is also at a good level. The ketone level seems to depend on both diet (i.e. ketogenic diet) and glucose status/metabolic health (as well as time of day -- later tends to be higher).

And fasting glucose levels should be ideally 85 at the most.

Thanks for reporting 3D student, those levels are very very good, and the ratio doable: under 10 grams of carbs and 1 grams of protein per kilo :)

Yeah, I thought those were pretty decent ketone levels. My glucose last month was 83 ml/dL. And that was with a 10 hour fast.

 

[beetlemaniac]

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Those are very good readings. I would guess that your fasting glucose is also at a good level. The ketone level seems to depend on both diet (i.e. ketogenic diet) and glucose status/metabolic health (as well as time of day -- later tends to be higher).

And fasting glucose levels should be ideally 85 at the most.

Thanks for reporting 3D student, those levels are very very good, and the ratio doable: under 10 grams of carbs and 1 grams of protein per kilo :)

Yeah, I thought those were pretty decent ketone levels. My glucose last month was 83 ml/dL. And that was with a 10 hour fast.

Hi 3d student, just curious, how many grams protein do you have for each meal, and do you skip lunch?

 

[3DStudent]

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Hi 3d student, just curious, how many grams protein do you have for each meal, and do you skip lunch?

I shoot for 24g of protein a meal just to be under the 25g limit. I only skip lunch one day a week to do a 12 hour fast. But normally it's 3 meals a day, with bone broth (and some sardines or a little meat) for dinner.

 

[Gaby]

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Hi 3d student, just curious, how many grams protein do you have for each meal, and do you skip lunch?

I shoot for 24g of protein a meal just to be under the 25g limit. I only skip lunch one day a week to do a 12 hour fast. But normally it's 3 meals a day, with bone broth (and some sardines or a little meat) for dinner.

3D Student, do you have any caffeine at all? Tea? Occasional coffee? What about dark chocolate?

 

[3DStudent]

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3D Student, do you have any caffeine at all? Tea? Occasional coffee? What about dark chocolate?

During that period of checking blood ketone levels, I would have been taking a large cup of green tea twice a day, occasionally three cups. I've also taken black tea and about 2 TBsp of cocoa in water with stevia, both about two large cups a day. I made some butter chocolate with stevia and xylitol also some months ago.

Right now I'm not drinking tea, but have some yerba mate left and I'm taking just one cup a day. I didn't participate in the coffee experiment, because too much caffeine increases my anxiety. So just teas and cocoa for me.

 

[Eboard10]

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I've been on the Ketogenic Diet for 8-10 months now, though I did come out of ketosis on several occasions, and have experienced tremendous improvements. I used to get frequent headaches which have now almost completely disappeared. I also don't have anymore stomach aches and have greatly reduced inflammation overall to name a few. However, I am still having some issues when it comes to fat intake. I keep to the 4:1 fat-to-protein ratio but I seem to have some slight indigestion problems when having too much bone broth. I also tolerate pork fat better than other meat fats, unless I cook them very well. I usually eat either organic of local grass-fed meats so I don't think that the issue is due to the quality of the meats.

I wonder if others have had similar problems with eating fat or if it is a specific condition. Initially, I thought it could be due to the transition phase from eating a high-carb diet to a high-fat one but it still persist after all this time. It's not that I get any bloating, but eating bone broth just gives my stomach an odd sensation. :/

 

[emilien512]

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... It's not that I get any bloating, but eating bone broth just gives my stomach an odd sensation. :/

I think I can relate to this part. When I used to drink bone broth before, the stomach would hurt and headaches would come, my only conclusion was that during preparation, if not done properly, some broken parts of the bones would end up in the broth, which could explain the pain where the body fights to get rid of the toxins. I never succeeded to prepare a broth correctly so I always thought it woul depend on the preparation.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[monotonic]

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I'm finding that 1/4 teaspoon cider vinegar makes almost everything taste better and improves digestion, and that using more than that seems to have a negative effect. I think it may have to do with pH balance. We haven't been able to get an HCl supplement. Could it be you need more HCl to digest the minerals?

For instance if I put 10 drops of Concentrace minerals in a glass of water, it will cause digestion problems with the next meal. However if I just drink distilled water I seem to start needing more minerals. I've found 4 drops per glass appears to be around the optimum. However the serving size is 40 drops per day, which is simply impossible for me.

 

[Eboard10]

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I'm finding that 1/4 teaspoon cider vinegar makes almost everything taste better and improves digestion, and that using more than that seems to have a negative effect. I think it may have to do with pH balance. We haven't been able to get an HCl supplement. Could it be you need more HCl to digest the minerals?

For instance if I put 10 drops of Concentrace minerals in a glass of water, it will cause digestion problems with the next meal. However if I just drink distilled water I seem to start needing more minerals. I've found 4 drops per glass appears to be around the optimum. However the serving size is 40 drops per day, which is simply impossible for me.

I tried using cider vinegar a couple of times but couldn't seem to tolerate it well, it also inflamed my facial skin almost instantaneously. I do have a low pH of 5.0 which seems to indicate I may have issues absorbing minerals and vitamins from the food I ingest (do correct me if I'm wrong).

I can get some concentrate minerals and see how I react. When would be best to take it?

 

[monotonic]

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Eboard10, I'm not sure about the best time to take trace minerals, but due to the lack of availability of HCl for me I looked for other ways to improve digestion. In PBPM Nora says that low HCl causes zinc deficiency, which in turn causes more HCl defciency; it is a runaway train. I found that taking zinc helps. H. Pylori overgrowth also can cause low HCl. B vitamins can also help with digestion.

 

[monotonic]

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· Elevated salivary pH.

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· Elevated bacterial protein and lipid concentration.

· Elevated concentration of protein and urea in submandibular salivary gland secretions.

· Low individual inhibitory factors.

· Higher total salivary lipid levels.

 

[Eboard10]

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Eboard10, I'm not sure about the best time to take trace minerals, but due to the lack of availability of HCl for me I looked for other ways to improve digestion. In PBPM Nora says that low HCl causes zinc deficiency, which in turn causes more HCl defciency; it is a runaway train. I found that taking zinc helps. H. Pylori overgrowth also can cause low HCl. B vitamins can also help with digestion.

Thanks monotonic, I already take both zinc and vitamin B supplements along with magnesium and cod liver oil. Will try changing my diet slightly and see how my stomach reacts.

 

[Psalehesost]

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Another digestive aid which some have had success with - though not specifically for bone broth as far as I know - is sauerkraut. I add a big spoonful to each meal, which keeps things working and my gut feeling better. It goes very well in broth.

 

[monotonic]

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I found it even has a positive effect on my biorhythm, and helped adjust my sleep cycles.

As I've posted before, lactic acid and most of the other acids found in fermented foods combine with minerals to create useful, bioavailable salts whereas acetic acid (vinegar) tends to create inflammatory salts. You can check this on wikipedia by looking up potassium lactate, potassium acetate, potassium malate and so on for each mineral and acid. For this reason I am curious to try fermenting nut milk as a way of producing lactic acid to use in place of vinegar.

 

[Eboard10]

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Another digestive aid which some have had success with - though not specifically for bone broth as far as I know - is sauerkraut. I add a big spoonful to each meal, which keeps things working and my gut feeling better. It goes very well in broth.

Probably worth trying some sauerkraut. I have so far avoided any vegetables but since there has been some discussion on the beneficial effects of fermented foods, it may be worth a try.