Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

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For about 2 years now, we have been eating (me and my roomate + her daughter) food from our local farmers markets. We started off eating whatever vegetablesn fruits, and meats we could get. On average we would eat primarily (aveageay about 60% carbohydrates (vegatbles mostly) and the rest meats. It slighlty changed how well I was feeling from day to day from what I had experienced the prior 15 years. Now, we have recently started eating a lot more meats after reading and researching a little bit on the Ketogenic diet. The results so far (2 weeks almost no carbs) have been quite amazing for me!

Most of the changes I have noticed are horomones (I think). I feel less stressed, some (what seem like) sociopathic traits I had have dissappeared, I feel happier as well. Interestingly my addiciton to sex has dropped off significantly, I can't really figure out why (or if that is a bad thing). I am also getting better sleep, as well as my general day to day stretches of energy levels are much more stable. I've also lost my addiction to sugar psychologically, I don't think about wanting it anymore.

As for my roomate. She is taking things a little more slowly. I am trying to get her to get involved on the forum but no luck yet.


All I think about now is MAKIN BACON!
Ill post again later with progress.

Thanks everyone ( and especially laura!!)
 
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Mildain said:
As for my roomate. She is taking things a little more slowly. I am trying to get her to get involved on the forum but no luck yet.
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It's really important to remember that it's her choice regarding what she wants to eat as it's her life and her free will to do with it as she pleases. So if she's taking things more slowly or doesn't want to do the ketogenic diet or even if she wants to change to eating junk food, she's absolutely free to do that, as she might have a different aim with her dietary choices or simply not be interested in these changes.

As well, it's also really important to remember that this forum is not for everyone and having this forum and this material forced upon a person can be extremely detrimental to them, to yourself, and also potentially to the forum itself (and possibly others, for that matter). If she's aware of the forum, she'll either become interested in it on her own or not, but if you force it on her or bring it up a lot it can cause a number of problems for everyone.

Have you had a chance to familiarize yourself with the concepts of Strategic Enclosure and External Consideration already?
 
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I am not familiar with those things yet - I tried reading the links you posted, but they are incredibly difficult to understand .. I think I just need some time for my brain to recover from a lifetime of poison and selfishness and bad choices I've been making.. but the issues of health need to come first - if I can't think straight, I won't ever understand complex concepts like that.

I guess I might seem a bit childish, I apologize if this is how it seems.

What I need to focus on are the basic things about living healthy so I can think more clearly - some very basic philosophies and critical thinking skills I think I sorely lack, and are a bit above my capacity to understand and use properly (at least it seems that way right now). I do need to do a lot more reading and stuff, but it's going to take a while.

Thanks for your input on that, i'll study those concepts a little more to at least try to get a better understanding of them.

Cheers.
 
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Mildain said:
I am not familiar with those things yet - I tried reading the links you posted, but they are incredibly difficult to understand .. I think I just need some time for my brain to recover from a lifetime of poison and selfishness and bad choices I've been making.. but the issues of health need to come first - if I can't think straight, I won't ever understand complex concepts like that.
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It looks like you've made some very healthy choices for yourself, Mildain. You're right - health issues must be cleared up first. And, there's nothing wrong with taking things slowly. :)

As well, there's no need to rush your partner into anything - if/when they are ready and ask, you'll know where to point them. In the interim, perhaps just focus on your reading and your health pursuits and see where things take you both.

Hang in there.
 
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One thing that can help right away is the EE meditation program. I like to think about the 4th way practices while pipe breathing.

http://eiriu-eolas.org/
 
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Thanks 1984. =)

Mono : I've already tried a little bit of the Eiru Eolas, but I am not sure if I am doing it right. It forces a yawning reflex whenever I try, makes my eyes water - and makes me sleepy. Sometimes though, those things don't happen - and I get a really pleasant and relaxing feeling from it. I have been trying this throughout the last week here and there, while at work, home, etc. Still though, I think I have to review the instructional audio and videos again. I don't think I'm doing the pipe breathing properly.

:-[
 
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This helped me a lot with getting through EE:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14410.msg112025.html#msg112025
 
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Mildain said:
Thanks 1984. =)

Mono : I've already tried a little bit of the Eiru Eolas, but I am not sure if I am doing it right. It forces a yawning reflex whenever I try, makes my eyes water - and makes me sleepy. Sometimes though, those things don't happen - and I get a really pleasant and relaxing feeling from it. I have been trying this throughout the last week here and there, while at work, home, etc. Still though, I think I have to review the instructional audio and videos again. I don't think I'm doing the pipe breathing properly.

:-[
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These are actually quite normal reactions for some of us when beginning EE so don't let that concern you. Those type symptoms stop with regular practice. Perhaps just do the pipe breathing and round breathing initially and then pick up the beatha after you've adjusted to the routine? And, as you mention, reviewing the instructional video again for additional guidance is a good idea.
 
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I am finally down to RDA-level protein intake (0.8 g/kg body weight) and pretty much at my ideal weight of about 166lb/75kg (75 * 0.8 = 60, or two servings a day of meat). This would be great if I weren't heavily fatigued and somewhat out of breath much of the time. It sounds rather like what the VLC nay-sayers were warning about, but I intend to try to figure it out rather than giving up and becoming a nay-sayer. If I last long enough.

From the symptoms, I suspect an upper GI infection that is ruining my digestion and dumping partially digested crud into my colon where it ferments horribly. It wouldn't be the first such case. I have a doctor that seems willing to prescribe, if I can figure out from tests what agent is involved. She has no more idea than me. I strongly suspect, after this long, that this is not going to be a simple dietary fix.

(My labs, by the way, from a physical in May looked great except for thyroid, which was wonky. But then I already knew that. I have managed to evade cholesterol testing, until I have learned a little more and can give the doctor the tests I want to include along with the standard ones.)

But anyway, what I am wondering about at the moment is - how much protein does gluconeogenesis consume? The protein RDA is formulated for carbivores, of course (isn't everything?) and I am wondering if my diet may be protein deficient. I didn't exactly choose this level: my appetite doesn't seem to be doing its job and much of the time I am just not hungry. 60g/d is about as much protein as I can stand at the moment.

You'd think this would be a common question that would be easy to Google, but I have had no luck so far. Instead, I get stuff like "too little protein induces gluconeogenesis," from people that just say stuff. Huh? As far as I know, GNG is regulated by glucagon, insulin's antagonist. When you don't eat carbs, glucose drops, glucagon rises, and GNG kicks in. But it's not very efficient. 100g of protein (and protein is just one of the inputs) yields only about 57g of glucose, even though carbohydrate and protein are roughly equivalent, energetically by weight, in dietary intake.

If I knew my glucose demand, given my keto-adaptation, I could calculate a rough guess estimate. But I don't. Any ideas?
 
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Well, I see that I am not the only one that can't answer my earlier question.

I am shifting my KD to also conform to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD). So far, that just means drinking my coffee black the way I always used to, and weaker, and at least temporarily giving up salami. The salami I buy is uncured and sugar free, and should be fine, but I don't want to take a chance on it right now.

I have increased the amount of low-carb raw veggies I am eating (ever try duck fat and vinegar dressing?), and reintroduced liver. I am not finished with iron testing, but I need my vitamins.
 
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Have many others noticed a sensitivity to butter? If so what were your symptoms?

After a week of strictly staying away from any dairy, I decided to throw a stick of butter in with my pork mince, and the usual cumin, turmeric, salt and pepper. After about an hour or so, I've got what I can only describe as small intestine ache.

I'm going to stay away from it for another week, then reintroduce it, just to be certain.
 
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Immersion said:
Have many others noticed a sensitivity to butter? If so what were your symptoms?

After a week of strictly staying away from any dairy, I decided to throw a stick of butter in with my pork mince, and the usual cumin, turmeric, salt and pepper. After about an hour or so, I've got what I can only describe as small intestine ache.

I'm going to stay away from it for another week, then reintroduce it, just to be certain.
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A stick of butter? How much fat was there per serving from all sources? Ingest enough fat all at once and you might very well feel something. It depends on your digestive capacity.
 
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It was about 50 grams in my serving. The rest of the fat was made up of a 60% pork fat to 40% pork protein.

It was a usual sized meal for me, and if I ever take in too much fat I get a kind of nausea.
 
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It can take up to two years to heal the gut. You have to be pretty strict, or entirely strict, and careful, during that period. After your gut is healed, you have more options though you won't want to eat certain things ever again, and other things, only occasionally.
 
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Immersion said:
Have many others noticed a sensitivity to butter? If so what were your symptoms?
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I cannot eat any kind of dairy at all, not even ghee. I'm allergic to dairy. As far as symptoms, I think there are different symptoms for different people. If you want to know if you are sensitive to butter, I'd say to use only butter as your source of fat at a meal, or in tea, or a cup of broth, or all of the above. That should tell you if it's the butter.
 
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