Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

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Btw Meechel17, All last week my poos were great after 2 months of being bad but I was eating sauerkraut with every meal last week with two ox biles and one betaine stright after. Yesterday when I came home I poo'd a solid one but then later in evening and throughout night I had the squirts. Not sure what went wrong, I didnt eat any veg yesterday so that may be it. I've also struggled with depression at times while trying to adapt and its funny how yesterday hours before I started suffering from diarrhea that I became very, very depressed. Seems to be related that bad bowels equal bad mood.

How are you feeling generally?

Jamie
 
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mugatea said:
I think not drinking before or after eating can help digestion - it helps me. I found not going carb free straight away helps but they are so many variables it's very hard to be able to actyally say whats wrong.

Thanks Mugatea, I generally drink all my water and tea in between meals after having received that advice from a naturopath years ago. I think it definitely helps digestion. Since being Paleo, I discovered that carbs were not my friend, so I did gradually go off them to a major extent. However, it's only been the last couple of weeks that I have limited my diet to pretty much exclusively fat and protein. I'm going to carry on and see how it goes.
 
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mugatea said:
Btw Meechel17, All last week my poos were great after 2 months of being bad but I was eating sauerkraut with every meal last week with two ox biles and one betaine stright after. Yesterday when I came home I poo'd a solid one but then later in evening and throughout night I had the squirts. Not sure what went wrong, I didnt eat any veg yesterday so that may be it. I've also struggled with depression at times while trying to adapt and its funny how yesterday hours before I started suffering from diarrhea that I became very, very depressed. Seems to be related that bad bowels equal bad mood.

How are you feeling generally?

Jamie

I am going to start some sauerkraut today, and I think I have to go to the city tomorrow so will pick some good stuff up there to get me through until my homemade is ready. Will also pick up ox bile.
My mood has been good and I'm feeling pretty good - took the dogs for a long walk yesterday in the bush looking for chaga and that was great. I could have gone longer, but I was getting cold and it was getting dark. I think my achy bits are mostly feeling better although for the first time in a week my back is a bit sore this morning.
Thank you so much for your kind feedback! :)
 
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Remember to get unpasteurized sauerkraut and if you are gonna make it there is a thread here advising how to do it proper.

Jamie
 
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mugatea said:
Remember to get unpasteurized sauerkraut and if you are gonna make it there is a thread here advising how to do it proper.

Jamie

Yup, that is why I have to buy in the city - nobody in my town sells it. I have a proper sauerkraut jar here, have had it for some time and have been procrastinating... I kept buying cabbage and then sauteing it or putting it in soup or making coleslaw instead of doing what I actually intended to do. Today is the day!!!

Thanks again for your advice :)
 
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Meechel17 said:
Of course those numbers are very approximate because for all the pages I have looked at for fat, carb and protein content of foods vary so much in their amounts. Which source do you find the most reliable? I tried looking at the one that was posted on here near the beginning of the thread and it is no longer available.

Yeah, they can vary. I will try a few different ones and pick what seems the closest or the average. I use http://nutritiondata.self.com/ the most. And I use this Windows app called Nutrition Facts for offline look-ups. It's very basic and will just give you common foods though.
 
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3D Student said:
Meechel17 said:
Of course those numbers are very approximate because for all the pages I have looked at for fat, carb and protein content of foods vary so much in their amounts. Which source do you find the most reliable? I tried looking at the one that was posted on here near the beginning of the thread and it is no longer available.

Yeah, they can vary. I will try a few different ones and pick what seems the closest or the average. I use http://nutritiondata.self.com/ the most. And I use this Windows app called Nutrition Facts for offline look-ups. It's very basic and will just give you common foods though.
Perfect! Thank you so much!!!
 
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Hi,
Today I have done my blood tests. Here I post the results. I worry because cholesterol levels are considerably higher than last time. At that time I was sick, I feel fine now. My weight stabilized between 63 and 64 kgs, my height is 1.65 cm.
In two months I will have an appointment with a specialist in internal medicine and I wish these figures were lower. The doctor will want to prescribe me lipid lowering medication and I'd rather not get to that point. I do not want to take it.
I'm thinking of walking intensely every day. But I do not know what else would help. Maybe L-carnitine?

Blood test:
Glucose: 81 mg / dl
Cholesterol: 394 mgr / dl (before 226 mgr / dl -24/01/14)
Triglycerides: 56 mgr / dl ("24mgr / dl")
HDL: 106 mgr / dl ("70mgr / dl")
LDL: 277 mgr / dl ('168 mgr / dl ")
Creatinine: 0.73 mgr / dl
Filtering gromerular: 85 ml / min
ALT: 21 U / l
LDH: 152 U / l
Calcium: 9.9 mgr / dl
Albumin 4.4 g / dl
Sodium 139 mEq / l
Potassium 4.1 mEq / l

TSH: 3.72

Red cells: 4.56
Hemoglobin: 14
Hematocrit: 40
Iron: 79
Transferrin: 254
Ferritin: 87
Transferrin saturation index: 22.1

24h urine cortisol take longer. This is a request to check to verify a previous result was high (409).
I do not take any medicine now. I just take supplements:
- Vit D and Vit K2
- Omega 3 and Evening Primrose Oil
- Vit E (occasionally)
- Vit C: 4-6 grams daily. I noticed my nails a little more fragile.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your comments and advice. :flowers:
 
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Ariadna said:
Cholesterol: 394 mgr / dl (before 226 mgr / dl -24/01/14)
Triglycerides: 56 mgr / dl ("24mgr / dl")
HDL: 106 mgr / dl ("70mgr / dl")

LDL: 277 mgr / dl ('168 mgr / dl ")

Hello!

LDL is formed by anti-inflammatory components which are significantly bigger, and inflammatory components (derived from sugar/carbs) which are significantly smaller. Labs don't subdivide these LDL components. You can indirectly estimate it by seeing your HDL and Triglycerides. If the former is high and the later one is low, such as yours, your cholesterol must have a great deal of anti-inflammatory components. Large fluffy components can raise the LDL significantly, as they are after all, big.

In addition to that, when triglycerides are low, there is a tendency to overestimate LDL cholesterol. This is a technical error. From Stephen D. Phinney and Jeff S. Volek. The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living. Beyond Obesity LLC (May 19, 2011):

Less appreciated are the potential errors associated with low plasma triglycerides, a condition that is highly relevant when interpreting the LDL-C response to low carbohydrate diets since they often result in marked reductions in triglycerides.
For example, a published case report describes a man with plasma triglycerides of 55 mg/dL who had an estimated LDL-C of 172 mg/ dL using the traditional Freidewald equation. But when measured by two separate direct methods, his actual LDL-C proved to be 126 mg/dL.
In a formal study of 115 volunteers with plasma triglycerides less than 100 mg/dL, use of the Friedewald formula resulted in a statistically significant overestimation of LDL-C by an average of 12 mg/dL.
How does this play out if you are on a low carbohydrate diet? Let's assume that a low car-bohydrate diet causes a reduction of triglycerides from 200 to 75 mg/dL with no change in total and HDL cholesterol. As a result, the calculated LDL-C from the Friedewald equation would necessarily increase from 100 to 125 mg/dL. How much of this 25% increase is real and how much artifact? That can only be determined by a direct assessment of LDL-C, which most physicians do not bother to do.

Your iron deposits are low, so there is no extra iron oxidizing your cholesterol. I would be worried if cholesterol came back low or low-ish. Low cholesterol levels can be seen in women who end up with an auto-immune disease.

You can repeat cholesterol levels before your next appointment. Sometimes levels fluctuate by much.

If I were you and depending on the internist and my relationship with him/her, I would either get the statin prescription and then throw it on the waste basket. If I would have time and energy to deal with my internist's ego, I would bring studies and articles such as the report from the President of the Royal College of Physicians telling how a doctor making a case for these drugs can quite easily look ill-informed, biased or just plain stupid in the eyes of their patients (I'm quoting directly!!). Or I would simply not consent and would simply say in a polite way that I want to repeat the tests further down the road after some lifestyle changes.

For more info, see:

Vascular surgeons write a damning report about lowering cholesterol drugs
http://www.sott.net/article/266064-Vascular-surgeons-write-a-damning-report-about-lowering-cholesterol-drugs

Prominent doctors declare their opposition to the planned expansion of statin prescribing
http://www.sott.net/article/280687-Prominent-doctors-declare-their-opposition-to-the-planned-expansion-of-statin-prescribing

The more cholesterol the merrier! Evidence links higher cholesterol with lower risk of death
http://www.sott.net/article/283810-The-more-cholesterol-the-merrier-Evidence-links-higher-cholesterol-with-lower-risk-of-death

We have in Spanish SOTT a great deal of articles on cholesterol. You can use the search function to read some of them. However, I suggest this one if you want to study the LDL particle subdivision with more detail:

Mitos y verdades sobre el colesterol, y las enfermedades cardiovasculares
http://es.sott.net/article/22429-Mitos-y-verdades-sobre-el-colesterol-y-las-enfermedades-cardiovasculares

Hope this helps!
 
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Thanks Gaby, your words and information are a priceless gift for me and for other forum members too, I think so. We are lucky to have you, your knowledge and your sense of humor. :D
The truth is that I feel good and my character has become calmer. According to the blood test the diet seems to go more or less well :)
I will read carefully the articles you have added to the forum. Is better to have good arguments and knowledge if necessary.
Thanks again. :flowers:
 
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This diet is getting me down. I don't regret starting but never thought it would be this hard. I have never been so depressed in my life although at the moment I'm feeling reasonably fine but some days have been the lowest I can remember ever feeling and I've been at real risk losing very close friends cause of my behaviour on days when I've been at my lowest (I push people away).

I have to eat some veg daily, so usually nearly a whole sweet potato at dinner or some other veg else I get explosive runs. Is this to be expected after around 2 months? While I have been in ketosis I still dont think I'm adapted or fully adapted. I've been pretty stict and think I have done things proper, probiotics, digestive aids etc - no cheating ever yet things are sure taking their time.

Everyone knows I've been on Keto since the beginning and I've been bragging how good it is and trying to get them to read Keto Adapted but I dont think after the two months I've had anyone will be convinced to go for it.

Jamie
 
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mugatea said:
I have to eat some veg daily, so usually nearly a whole sweet potato at dinner or some other veg else I get explosive runs.

What you described seems to account for some 20 up to 40 grams of carbs per day. With that amount you'll still certainly be in ketosis. If you have resources, you can get a keto meter like the one from Abbot labs: Precision Xtra. You'll know for certain if you are in keto range, or way over.

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I have found that most people tend to overdo it in the initial stages.
 
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Gaby said:
I have found that most people tend to overdo it in the initial stages.

Thanks, I am careful about the carbs. Do you mean most people tend to jump in the deep end too soon? According to ketostix I'm usually around 15-40 milimolar.
 
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mugatea said:
This diet is getting me down. I don't regret starting but never thought it would be this hard. I have never been so depressed in my life although at the moment I'm feeling reasonably fine but some days have been the lowest I can remember ever feeling and I've been at real risk losing very close friends cause of my behaviour on days when I've been at my lowest (I push people away).

I have to eat some veg daily, so usually nearly a whole sweet potato at dinner or some other veg else I get explosive runs. Is this to be expected after around 2 months? While I have been in ketosis I still dont think I'm adapted or fully adapted. I've been pretty stict and think I have done things proper, probiotics, digestive aids etc - no cheating ever yet things are sure taking their time.

Jamie, I'm sorry you're going through this. So you think all this is only because you changed your diet? Is there maybe something else that bothers you, some additional cause that you can think of, journal it or something?

mugatea said:
Everyone knows I've been on Keto since the beginning and I've been bragging how good it is and trying to get them to read Keto Adapted but I dont think after the two months I've had anyone will be convinced to go for it.
Jamie

Yes, me too, I just want to share it with others, but it bothers me because it's so mechanical and unconscious. I've found myself talking to close people about fats, carbs and so on, what should they eat and how good would it be for them... and they didn't even ask for advice! :rolleyes: And I can see it only later and then I think "what did you do"... I think I should read and work on external consideration.

Hope everything will get better for you soon, hold on!
 
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mugatea said:
Gaby said:
I have found that most people tend to overdo it in the initial stages.

Thanks, I am careful about the carbs. Do you mean most people tend to jump in the deep end too soon? According to ketostix I'm usually around 15-40 milimolar.

Yeah, most people tend to jump in the deep end with practically zero carbs. Some people get the ketostix and they realize they can eat more carbs while staying in ideal range. Some people's gut definitely benefit from fermented veggies like sauerkraut, it keeps their gut flora happy.
 
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