Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

[will01]

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I was searching for some guides on the autoimmune protocol and I've found that The Paleo Mom website contains very detailed information on it.

I'm sorry if someone has already mentioned it and I missed it, but I thought it can be very useful for those who have autoimmune conditions or noticed having several allergic reactions and food sensitivities: The Autoimmune Protocol

It is the first place where I find an explanation of why Stevia can be "like gluten" for some of us:

Steviol glycosides are synthesized in the same pathway and end up being structurally very similar to the plant hormones gibberellin and kaurene. This means that steviol glycosides have a hormone structure. The majority of toxicological studies establish that stevia is safe, however there are some studies showing that it can act as a mutagen and may increase the risk of cancer (these studies are in the minority and tend to use quite high concentrations, so they are readily discarded in discussions of the overall safety of consuming stevia). Whether or not stevia causes genetic mutations is not the only cause for concern, however (even if safety studies focus on this particular property). For those with autoimmune disease, in which hormones have such a dramatic impact on disease development and progression, the impact of consuming stevia on hormone regulation is relevant.

There is evidence that steviol glycosides have contraceptive effects in both males and females. In particular, one specific steviol glycoside, called stevioside, has been shown to have potent contraceptive properties in female rats, implying that stevia may have an impact on estrogen, progesterone or both. In another study, male rats fed stevia extracts showed a decrease in fertility, reduced testosterone levels and testicular atrophy, potentially attributable binding of steviol glycosides with an androgen receptor. Although no studies have been conducted evaluating the impact of stevia on fertility in humans, the stevia plant was traditionally used to control the fertility of women by the Guarani Indians in southern Brazil. While small and occasional consumption of stevia likely has little to no impact on general health, it should not be consumed on a regular basis especially by those with altered hormone balance and dysfunctional immune systems.

One thing I was wondering (and I'm sorry again if someone has already mentioned) is if avocado can also be added on the list of possible triggers. I've found a mention to its toxicity to animals in the forum, because of the Persin in it, but it's generally stated that it normally doesn't cause reactions on humans, except in very allergic people (which is the case of people with autoimmune disease). There is also the fact that avocados have a lot of omega-6 fatty acids, which would mean that consuming it everyday could increase inflammation and that could be problematic for sensitive people (prone to inflammation). That leads me to think that it should be avoided, am I right? The thing is that, from what I can find on the subject, avocado is included in all autoimmune protocols.

Thanks for posting this Yas. Stevia is something I have used on a daily basis, for the most part, for a long time. When I began using it, I remember searching for studies on it's safety, but finding no significant concerns. Though I have never noticed any issues with stevia, it is something I have never tested by elimination from the diet, so this may be worth trying.

I can't stand the taste of liver, so I'm hoping the meat mix turned out all right. I do like pate, so I'm hopeful...

Hey Meechel17, have you taken a look at the meatloaf recipe video? Its an easy way to eat lots of liver and the taste of the meat and herbs nicely covers up the taste of the liver.

Meatloaf video link :D

Yes, I was going to mention that mixing ground liver and meat is great for those who dislike the liver taste. Also the texture of whole liver is displeasing to me. The mixture of two parts fatty meat to one part liver, ground into meat patties fried in fat, is what I usually have 2 - 3 times a week. To me, the liver taste is barely noticeable. If you really dislike liver, try starting with a small amount in the meat and increase it over time. This is a trick I used when transitioning my cats to a raw food diet. They refused to eat the raw food with the recommended amount of liver initially, so I reduced it to one quarter the amount and built up again over a few weeks.

 

[SeekinTruth]

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Some forum members have mentioned being sensitive to stevia (others are to xylitol). I don't have a problem with either. For those suffering autoimmune problems, it's very important to get to the bottom of ANYTHING problematic that could complicate straightening things out. Some health issues are not so easy/straight-forward to completely get over, so you have to be very thorough. But for those not dealing with such issues, the good thing about stevia is that very little goes a long way - it's VERY sweet, so don't have to use much at all. That's why I tend to use stevia more than xylitol normally. Xylitol is about as sweet as sugar and has exactly the same amount of carbs and calories as table sugar, where stevia, being way sweeter, and have almost no carbs/calories is easier to use, if tolerated, when trying to have as low carbs as possible....

 

[Yas]

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Some forum members have mentioned being sensitive to stevia (others are to xylitol). I don't have a problem with either. For those suffering autoimmune problems, it's very important to get to the bottom of ANYTHING problematic that could complicate straightening things out. Some health issues are not so easy/straight-forward to completely get over, so you have to be very thorough. But for those not dealing with such issues, the good thing about stevia is that very little goes a long way - it's VERY sweet, so don't have to use much at all. That's why I tend to use stevia more than xylitol normally. Xylitol is about as sweet as sugar and has exactly the same amount of carbs and calories as table sugar, where stevia, being way sweeter, and have almost no carbs/calories is easier to use, if tolerated, when trying to have as low carbs as possible....

Yes, I agree with the above, I don't think Stevia is bad per se, is just that there are some sensitive people that can have a problem with it. For those people, it is very important to do an elimination diet and reintroduce things one by one in order to find out the triggers, maybe Stevia isn't a trigger, maybe it is... the only way to find out is by trying it. I used to use Stevia on a daily basis as well... until I've found that it was triggering an autoimmune response. And I think that I can even use it from time to time, as long as it isn't on a daily basis, but I haven't tried it yet.

 

[davey72]

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This is interesting info about stevia. I have been consuming it everyday.
In regards to the taste of liver i have found that if i cut it up and add it to any kind of hamburger with spices that thisworks very well to cover the taste and texture. Wether you make burgers or a meatloaf.

 

[riclapaz]

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Thank you for bringing this issue to the Yas stevia, a time I was using it, and for me if I had a reaction, I cause bowel problems, bloating, gas, etc, now I use xylitol, I tolerate better, as mentioned SeekinTruth, you have to consume moderately carbohydrates. A question avocado also mentioned as a trigger for autoimmune diseases, someone could share what has been your experience eating avocado? have you noticed any reaction?

 

[Carl]

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Thank you for bringing this issue to the Yas stevia, a time I was using it, and for me if I had a reaction, I cause bowel problems, bloating, gas, etc, now I use xylitol, I tolerate better, as mentioned SeekinTruth, you have to consume moderately carbohydrates. A question avocado also mentioned as a trigger for autoimmune diseases, someone could share what has been your experience eating avocado? have you noticed any reaction?

It's usually hard for me to gauge reactions with foods because there are too many variables and any negative reactions come in the form of slow systemic inflammation and subtle mood problems, rather than a more obvious "indicator". However I can say that avocados give me painful, itchy lips every time.

 

[riclapaz]

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Thanks for sharing Carl, you say a point I was losing, the reaction is slow and subtle, I like avocado sporadically, maybe not so noticeable if I have a reaction to it, I'll do some experimenting and see how everything goes, also have read that coconut is not tolerable by some people, only use coconut cream for fat bomb, I think also I will have to make a removal and then reintriducirlo to see any difference in reaction or something, devils coconut is my favorite. :(

 

[SeekinTruth]

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Thanks for sharing Carl, you say a point I was losing, the reaction is slow and subtle, I like avocado sporadically, maybe not so noticeable if I have a reaction to it, I'll do some experimenting and see how everything goes, also have read that coconut is not tolerable by some people, only use coconut cream for fat bomb, I think also I will have to make a removal and then reintriducirlo to see any difference in reaction or something, devils coconut is my favorite. :(

For what it's worth, if you're going to experiment, try eliminating all coconut products. It may turn out that you can only tolerate coconut oil, for example, when reintroducing. Or it may turn out even coconut oil is off limits (or can't be consumed to often/too much). Just from a theoretical point of view, the oil should be the least problematic. But the only way to find out is for each to do the experiment.

 

[Keyhole]

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Thanks for sharing Carl, you say a point I was losing, the reaction is slow and subtle, I like avocado sporadically, maybe not so noticeable if I have a reaction to it, I'll do some experimenting and see how everything goes, also have read that coconut is not tolerable by some people, only use coconut cream for fat bomb, I think also I will have to make a removal and then reintriducirlo to see any difference in reaction or something, devils coconut is my favorite. :(

For what it's worth, if you're going to experiment, try eliminating all coconut products. It may turn out that you can only tolerate coconut oil, for example, when reintroducing. Or it may turn out even coconut oil is off limits (or can't be consumed to often/too much). Just from a theoretical point of view, the oil should be the least problematic. But the only way to find out is for each to do the experiment.

Yep, definitely try eliminating all coconut products and especially coconut cream for a while. When I eliminated it for a while and then reintroduced I had extreme stomach cramps and diarrhoea for like a whole week! That coconut cream stuff can cause some nasty reactions in people.

 

[riclapaz]

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Thanks for sharing Carl, you say a point I was losing, the reaction is slow and subtle, I like avocado sporadically, maybe not so noticeable if I have a reaction to it, I'll do some experimenting and see how everything goes, also have read that coconut is not tolerable by some people, only use coconut cream for fat bomb, I think also I will have to make a removal and then reintriducirlo to see any difference in reaction or something, devils coconut is my favorite. :(

For what it's worth, if you're going to experiment, try eliminating all coconut products. It may turn out that you can only tolerate coconut oil, for example, when reintroducing. Or it may turn out even coconut oil is off limits (or can't be consumed to often/too much). Just from a theoretical point of view, the oil should be the least problematic. But the only way to find out is for each to do the experiment.

Yep, definitely try eliminating all coconut products and especially coconut cream for a while. When I eliminated it for a while and then reintroduced I had extreme stomach cramps and diarrhoea for like a whole week! That coconut cream stuff can cause some nasty reactions in people.

Thanks SeekinTruth and Keyhole , I think I might be fooling myself, thinking that coconut did not cause any reaction, your comments are appreciated :)

 

[Trobar]

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A very BIG thank you! to everyone that has posted and contributed to this thread. I am just beginning to gather information on ketosis and the ketogenic diet and feeling a bit overwhelmed. The posts have been helping me very much. I just watched the meatloaf and the fat bomb video on youtube and found them to be very helpful. As I begin my own journey with this information I will post and hope to be able to contribute and give instead of only taking this valuable information. Thanks again!

 

[Laura]

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A couple items on sott that are interesting. Nothing that we don't know already, but useful for sharing with friends and family:

http://www.sott.net/article/293709-Actually-you-dont-need-carbohydrates-for-energy

http://www.sott.net/article/293703-How-your-digestion-controls-your-immune-system

 

[Keyhole]

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http://www.sott.net/article/293709-Actually-you-dont-need-carbohydrates-for-energy

I ended up in a debate in my science class with my teacher was was adamant that we require carbohydrates for health, so thanks for the articles especially the one about carbohydrates.

Both have been shared!

 

[SeekinTruth]

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http://www.sott.net/article/293709-Actually-you-dont-need-carbohydrates-for-energy

I ended up in a debate in my science class with my teacher was was adamant that we require carbohydrates for health, so thanks for the articles especially the one about carbohydrates.

Both have been shared!

If THAT was true, I'd be the picture of health when I was a "carboholic" fiend earlier in my life (I used eat tons of carbs AND fat - but used to take about 3000 mg of vitamin C everyday, so didn't have health issues for a while). AND I'd be dead now, as I've been having less than 15 grams of carbs a day for the last four years!

 

[Keyhole]

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If THAT was true, I'd be the picture of health when I was a "carboholic" fiend earlier in my life (I used eat tons of carbs AND fat - but used to take about 3000 mg of vitamin C everyday, so didn't have health issues for a while). AND I'd be dead now, as I've been having less than 15 grams of carbs a day for the last four years!

For a year now Iv'e been totalling about 15 grams of carbs a day as well and have never felt more healthy than I do now. I actually find it difficult to incorporate any more than 15g into the day! A few grams of xylitol, cocoa and some cabbage or broccoli with my dinner occasionally is all that I can manage, any more and I feel too full with all of the fat!

Funnily enough, after I posted that article my teacher DID read it and came to speak to me in the next lesson. It turns out she's now actually in ketosis and has been for the past three weeks maxing 30 carbs a day . Was a bit of a suprise