Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

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Fluffy said:
I just finished reading Maria Emmerich's Keto Adapted and have a question about evening primrose oil of which she claims that phenylalanine in it has great benefits but then suggests we stay away from aspartame. I was under the impression that phenylalanine was the main reason aspartame is so bad?? In Australia things like sugar free chewing gum says on the pack separate to the ingredients list 'contains phenylalanine' .

I'm a bit confused by this, there are contradicting bits of info out there about phenylalanine.

Otherwise the book was pretty good. Not a fan of her recipes though. I like to keep things simple, too many flavours trigger me to want to eat more and her sweetener of choice, Swerve, says it contains natural flavours but say that it's from fruit and vegetable derived sources and not MSG but don't specify what sources, that seems a bit suspect to me... I use Now foods erythritol and add a few drops of top quality stevia when I make sweets. I am looking forward to not wanting to have any sweets at all though because once I have a little bit I want more even though I'm not hungry.

How long did it take for others to get over their sweet tooth on keto?

Speaking of sweeteners, following Maria's advise I bought some Swerve, confectioners style which she uses a lot in her sweets/baking. I had intended to do some baking with it but haven't gotten around to that yet(as a remedy for sweet cravings, which are growing less, fortunately). The only info for this here is what Fluffy posted above. The ingredients on the package say: Erythritol, oligosaccharides and natural flavors. Stevia and xylitol are mainly used by others here it seems and I'm wondering if there may be more info someone can share on the Swerve, perhaps not being to good. I also use stevia, mainly in tea or hot cacao(with the swerve). Also wanted to mention this since Maria's books and such have been highly recommended here but maybe some "glitches" to be aware of? I know she uses dairy in her recipes somewhat but states "only if tolerated".

thanks
 
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Laura said:
A couple items on sott that are interesting. Nothing that we don't know already, but useful for sharing with friends and family:

http://www.sott.net/article/293709-Actually-you-dont-need-carbohydrates-for-energy

http://www.sott.net/article/293703-How-your-digestion-controls-your-immune-system


Thanks for posting this Laura. It is good to recap on all the articles, which I will read and save. I seriously know that my health is still compromised and apart from sleep it must still be the leaky gut - which I know takes at least 2 years to cure. Also I will go back to base again and cut everything out. Having just bought 3 dozen organic eggs I will make a pile of fat bombs and some mayo. (I also have avocados left). Fat bombs can stay in the freezer so I just have fats, bone-broth and fatty meat.

At least my weight has stabilized for a long while now and I am not losing any. I am 8st 6/7 though my average before was 9st - 9st 3/4

Also my supplements and probiotics. (one of my new tablets is giving me nausea though I don't know which - may even be the increase in Vit C). I may have to cut them out and try introducing one at a time.

Even after so long I still cannot tolerate the fat without Beteine tablets - so again must be due to the leaky gut and inflammation i must have.


Keyhole - thanks for the suggestion re the canner and equipment. They have been on my 'wish list' since the thread began nearly. I just cannot afford 'extras' atm. Tight budget in an understatement atm. :( Though maybe some break-through soon!
 
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Keyhole said:
Meechel17 said:
I can't stand the taste of liver, so I'm hoping the meat mix turned out all right. I do like pate, so I'm hopeful...

Hey Meechel17, have you taken a look at the meatloaf recipe video? Its an easy way to eat lots of liver and the taste of the meat and herbs nicely covers up the taste of the liver.

Meatloaf video link :D

Thanks, Keyhole! I hadn't seen that, so I will definitely take a look. I have lots of grass fed beef liver and access to lots more, so if I could tolerate it, I would certainly eat a lot more.
As for my pate, it's delicious, although it's a bit too salty. So I eat it with cucumber or lettuce and its perfect. I could easily eat this every day. Incidentally, I added lamb kidneys (I find kidneys more disgusting than liver, lol), and you can't tell.
 
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riclapaz said:
Thanks for sharing Carl, you say a point I was losing, the reaction is slow and subtle, I like avocado sporadically, maybe not so noticeable if I have a reaction to it, I'll do some experimenting and see how everything goes, also have read that coconut is not tolerable by some people, only use coconut cream for fat bomb, I think also I will have to make a removal and then reintriducirlo to see any difference in reaction or something, devils coconut is my favorite. :(

I generally eat half an avocado every morning with my breakfast and have no issues with it. However, I have not eliminated it from my diet, so if I did and then reintroduced, perhaps I would react? I'm not sure. Things seem to go pretty well for me if I religiously stick to my basic diet which is pretty well limited to meat, fat, sauerkraut, cucumbers, lettuce, avocados, eggs and bone broth.
However, I have not had any coconut products of any kind for well over a month, and I had some last week and certainly reacted. Upset stomach, breakout on my face, diarrhea and gas. :(
 
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I'm sorry that I'll post again about intolerance (I feel like I'm always coming up with more things to eliminate from diet :rolleyes: LOL ), but, remember, not everyone is THAT sensitive, and it probably goes down to severe gut damage plus a genetic tendency.

Anyways, I left avocados for a few days, then ate again and I noticed some reactions such as itching and constipation. I also ate radish yesterday and woke up today with a strong headache and discomfort in eyes and ears. So I looked up for radish intolerance and found that it is very high in a common allergy trigger that is (as usual) unknown: Salicylate

There's quite a lot of information out there in the web because it's so common so just doing a search in Google brings up lots of information. Anyway, again from Paleo Mom:

What are salicylates? Salicylates are the salts and esters of salicylic acid, an organic acid that is a key ingredient in aspirin and other pain medications, is frequently found in cosmetics and beauty products, and is also naturally occurring in varying concentrations in plants. In plants, salicylates act as a natural immune hormone and preservative, protecting the plants against diseases, insects, fungi, and bacterial infection. Why does it always come down to plants’ natural protective mechanisms!?

Salicylic acid is toxic to everyone in high doses. In the case of salicylate sensitivity/intolerance, much smaller doses produce symptoms of toxicity. Salicylate sensitivity/intolerance was initially described in terms of adverse drug reactions; and to date, most of the studies regarding salicylate sensitivity are performed in the context of drugs and medications that contain salicylates and/or salicylic acid. Although the research into this intolerance is still limited, the definition has expanded to a more inclusive definition including sensitivity to foods and to cleaning and beauty products that contain high levels of salicylates1,2. The typical reactions are gastrointestinal and/or asthma-related and/or what is called pseudoanaphylaxis (the symptoms of anaphylaxis through a non-IgE antibody mediated pathway). Symptoms of salicylate sensitivity include:

- Itchy skin, hives or rashes
- Stomach pain, nausea and/or diarrhea
- Asthma and other breathing difficulties, such as persistent cough
- Headaches
- Swelling of hands, feet, eyelids, face and/or lips (angioedema)
- Changes in skin color
- Fatigue
- Sore, itchy, puffy or burning eyes
- Nasal Congestion or sinusitis
- Memory loss and poor concentration (linked to ADHD)
- Ringing in the ears
- Depression and anxiety

Salicylate Intolerance may be a key player in many gastrointestinal disorders, such as Inflammatory Bowel Disease, Colitis and Crohn’s Disease 3,4,5,6. It is also deeply implicated in asthma (the reason why aspirin and other NSAIDs are not recommended for asthmatics) 4,6,7 and may be linked to Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder 4. There also seems to be an important link to inflammation since supplementation with high doses of omega-3 fatty acids (in the form of fish oil) reduces symptoms dramatically 8.

There is no diagnostic test for salicylate sensitivity. The only method to determine whether or not you are intolerant to salicylates is to dramatically reduce your exposure from both your diet and your environment and see if you improve. If you do, then the typical recommendation is to consume salicylates and see if your symptoms return.

She says the environmental factors, such as beauty and self-hygiene products are more important than food, and she doesn't necessarily recommends eliminating foods high in Salycilate; however, many other people with sensitivity report diminished symptoms when avoiding those foods, and reactions to them as well.

The interesting things it that it includes 3 super healthy foods that I noticed that can be problematic for some: sauerkraut, coconut products and avocado.

Another interesting thing is that the site Salicylate Sensitivity, for example, says:

A Word about Histamine and Amine Intolerance
People who are salicylate intolerant are also likely to develop an Amine Sensitivity or Histamine Intolerance. Histamine and the similar amine substances occur naturally in a variety of foods. They especially develop from the breakdown of protein and fermentation that occurs during food processing. Therefore, fermented products such as alcohol and some cheeses are especially high in amines. Also, meats that have been cooked too long or are not fresh can be very high in amines. Symptoms of Histamine or Amine Sensitivity include (but are not limited to) flushing, sweating, increased heart rate and palpitations, fall in blood pressure, fainting, asthma, tissue swelling, headaches, migraines, itching, rashes, hives, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, and tingling/itching/burning in the mouth. Amines have the ability to affect the width of blood vessels therefore causing a variety of circulation problems. As you can see some of the symptoms of amine intolerance are similar to salicylate intolerance. In fact around 70% of foods that are high in salicylate are also high in amines.

There is plenty of information about histamine reaction on the forum, and, since it is an inflammatory reaction (am i right?), it might mean that, again, salicylate intolerance may be due to a tendency to inflammation, i.e. autoimmunity. (I might be completely wrong here, so correct me if my reasoning about the issue is faulty ;) )

If this is the case, I guess that after sticking for some time to an autoimmune protocol, avoiding salicylate as well (those who have reactions to it), taking probiotics such as Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG, and maybe some natural antihistamines such as Boswellia and Comfrey, can help... and then, after some time, one can probably be more tolerant to some of those foods, I suppose.

Another interesting piece of information I found (and I'm sorry again if it was already mentioned here), is that N-Acetyl-Cysteine can block intestinal DAO, which is an enzyme that interacts with histamine and reducing it increases the histamine concentrations. In this very interesting article about histamine intolerance:

Whilst some foods do not naturally contain histamine, they are able to function as histamine liberators, whereby they encourage the release of stored histamine from the various cells around the body, e.g. citrus fruits. Various medications may also do the same.

Histamine is not the only bioactive substance that can lead to histamine intolerance. Other compounds of the same class (biogenic amines) are able to interact with the enzymes responsible for metabolising histamine (particularly in the gut), further reducing the concentration of enzymes available to interact with histamine and effectively increasing the histamine concentrations.

Therefore, increased histamine concentrations may be achieved via food by any combination of the following;

- histamine in food,
- histamine liberators in food,
- DAO blockers in food,
- DAO competitors in food.

So... I was wondering if I should also leave the NAC supplement I'm taking... :/

fwiw...
 
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Thank you for this info, Yas. It's very informative and equally important for those of us suffering from histamine intolerance.
 
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Yas said:
I'm sorry that I'll post again about intolerance (I feel like I'm always coming up with more things to eliminate from diet :rolleyes: LOL ), but, remember, not everyone is THAT sensitive, and it probably goes down to severe gut damage plus a genetic tendency.

Anyways, I left avocados for a few days, then ate again and I noticed some reactions such as itching and constipation. I also ate radish yesterday and woke up today with a strong headache and discomfort in eyes and ears. So I looked up for radish intolerance and found that it is very high in a common allergy trigger that is (as usual) unknown: Salicylate
No need to be sorry, Yas. I also have the same/similar intolerances. Although I typically assume that everyone will eventually experience the same, I guess the best way to find out is by removing them for a bit and then taking them up again even if the reaction isn't what we perceive as extreme. I also currently suspect that not everyone's histamine reaction is exactly the same. Like maybe some may experience sneezing, runny nose, constant clearing of the throat - basically cold type symptoms.

Thanks for posting it. I also think it's very informative. :)
 
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Yas said:
I'm sorry that I'll post again about intolerance (I feel like I'm always coming up with more things to eliminate from diet :rolleyes: LOL ), but, remember, not everyone is THAT sensitive, and it probably goes down to severe gut damage plus a genetic tendency.

That info is very useful! I wonder, have you considered French Oak Extract?

It is currently researched and less histamine allergies are among its benefits. I'm on my third bottle and noticed that my histamine sensitivity is better. I also tolerate onions and garlic which I couldn't before. My next test is canned food. I was getting very "itchy" with stored foods. We'll see. Might be worth a try.
 
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Gaby said:
Yas said:
I'm sorry that I'll post again about intolerance (I feel like I'm always coming up with more things to eliminate from diet :rolleyes: LOL ), but, remember, not everyone is THAT sensitive, and it probably goes down to severe gut damage plus a genetic tendency.

That info is very useful! I wonder, have you considered French Oak Extract?

It is currently researched and less histamine allergies are among its benefits. I'm on my third bottle and noticed that my histamine sensitivity is better. I also tolerate onions and garlic which I couldn't before. My next test is canned food. I was getting very "itchy" with stored foods. We'll see. Might be worth a try.

I'm glad that it is useful! :D

I haven't tried that, I'll have look! Thank you!

BTW, I don't think that it is necessary to quit the NAC, right? It seems to be quite good for some other things...
 
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Yas said:
BTW, I don't think that it is necessary to quit the NAC, right? It seems to be quite good for some other things...

Yeah, I would keep it. Perhaps only if you don't see progress or have suspicions. I think that NAC really helped me not to get the flu this year. It is good stuff :)
 
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NAC is the one supplement that I take almost every day without fail, sometimes several times a day. It really helps me cope with the reactions I have to many foods/substances. When I react, I tend to get phlegmy, and it is very thick and annoying. NAC thins the secretions and helps me to eliminate them.

As to sensitivities, yeah, I was really disappointed after my birthday banana fat bomb to discover that bananas are very unfriendly to my system. I even tested it again to make sure it was the banana. It was. However, I DO love bananas... so maybe I'll put up with it once a year.
 
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Laura said:
NAC is the one supplement that I take almost every day without fail, sometimes several times a day. It really helps me cope with the reactions I have to many foods/substances. When I react, I tend to get phlegmy, and it is very thick and annoying. NAC thins the secretions and helps me to eliminate them.

As to sensitivities, yeah, I was really disappointed after my birthday banana fat bomb to discover that bananas are very unfriendly to my system. I even tested it again to make sure it was the banana. It was. However, I DO love bananas... so maybe I'll put up with it once a year.

I discovered the same :cry: I can handle just a little bit of banana! Thank god I got no problem with other fruits like mango (which I love although it has a high level of sugar and can't eat that much) and any berries
 
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Laura said:
As to sensitivities, yeah, I was really disappointed after my birthday banana fat bomb to discover that bananas are very unfriendly to my system. I even tested it again to make sure it was the banana. It was. However, I DO love bananas... so maybe I'll put up with it once a year.

I remember you said that the banana bomb custard was poured in speculoos shells made from spelt. Are you sure you were not reacting to spelt, though? Even what we call in French 'petit épeautre' (small spelt) still contains 7% gluten.
 
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Thanks for the info, Yas!

Yas said:
Gaby said:
Yas said:
I'm sorry that I'll post again about intolerance (I feel like I'm always coming up with more things to eliminate from diet :rolleyes: LOL ), but, remember, not everyone is THAT sensitive, and it probably goes down to severe gut damage plus a genetic tendency.

That info is very useful! I wonder, have you considered French Oak Extract?

It is currently researched and less histamine allergies are among its benefits. I'm on my third bottle and noticed that my histamine sensitivity is better. I also tolerate onions and garlic which I couldn't before. My next test is canned food. I was getting very "itchy" with stored foods. We'll see. Might be worth a try.

I'm glad that it is useful! :D

I haven't tried that, I'll have look! Thank you!

BTW, I don't think that it is necessary to quit the NAC, right? It seems to be quite good for some other things...

That's really interesting about the extract's effect on histamine allergies. I tried it once some time ago, but I may have taken too much and I had a bit of a panic attack. Granted the attack could have been triggered by something else. I think I'll do some more research on it and see if it's worth trying again.
 
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