Killary Clinton, The Donald, or Jill Stein: The US Election

axj said:
I think Putin also sort of endorsed him, ...
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Yes.

Putin had good things to say about him. I think a question to C's might be helpful -- regarding Trump's true nature and motivations. (The answers may be rather surprising I think.)

In a (more highly charged) manner, he sort of reminds me of Perot in 1992. Until Perot quit amidst threats to his family. (It's possible he may face same as well -- eventually.)

I find Trump's remarks on Libya and Iraq truthful. But major deceptions often do carry specks of truth, so as to artfully deceive.

I could be wrong.

FWIW.
 
[quote author= axj]I think Putin also sort of endorsed him, ...
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[quote author= sitting]Yes.

Putin had good things to say about him.[/quote][/quote]

Putin was just being diplomatic I suspect, part of the job. Same reason why is keep calling his American counterparts, partners.

As for Trump and the support he receives, it shows America is ready for fascism I think. In the end it doesn't matter who the elites choose. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. But I think that by now the PTB should realize that Trump has a talent for rallying people up like we haven't seen since Nazi Germany. Fascism was always the goal I think. Trump could help it accelerate and make it happen like never before. It may be a risk, since his behavior is 'nostalgic' to say the least and many do take notice. But a lot of people if not the majority seem to love it. Why let such a moment go to waste.

On the other hand, his behavior is making Hillary appear like an 'angel'. So people may again feel obliged to choose 'the lesser evil' But if Trump keeps gaining momentum the Elites will surely take notice. Last election round only 30% who could vote did. Let's say the other part around 50% had no candidate they could believe in. Meaning there is a lot of anger waiting to be untapped. Trump appears perfect for the job.
 
The way I see it, many Americans are fed up with the elites and therefore choose candidates who seem to be "anti-elite", though more successfully on the Republican than the Democratic side. In a way, Obama was also sold as "anti-elite", though both Trump and Sanders try to portay themselves as even more anti-elite than that.

There is a danger in all that anger, as has been pointed out, and more likely than not the elites will find a way to direct that anger in ways that are favorable to them. Though there is also a chance that things genuinely won't go their way and that a major miscalculation will be made.
 
I have viewed Trump as an experiment on the US population whose main purpose is to insure that Hillary getting elected can seem somehow plausible. Kind of like Dukakis being put up against GHW Bush. If it is all a controlled puppet show from the top behind the scenes, as it seems, Killary is a slam dunk fait accompli... anyway, that is my gut-level 'read'. Whoopee.

As a side benefit, the PTB get to test the waters and take the temperature of the state of the American "mind'. (But, God only knows what the real numbers are of actual support for the various candidates.) I also view Trump as kind of a measure of dissatisfaction with the status quo litmus test: i.e., how many people are so fed up that they would accept ANYTHING, even a complete XXXXXXX as president? I have thought that this election season reality show is a measure of the success of the various apathy and ignorance inducing programs. Ha, kind of like sticking a meat thermometer into the turkey in the oven to see if it is time to make the gravy yet. A kind of market research into the soul of the american citizen in general.

But I can't be too sure - could the PTB really install Trump?! It is a staggering thought. I think it is important to remember that we are not choosing the president; that we are witnessing a dog and pony show; that the president is chosen for those of us in the USA. Who is best suited to carry out the agenda? I am not so sure any more. But either Hillary or Trump is a kind of evil poison. (and Bernie the controlled 'opposition'?) What's the real difference? Hemlock or electro-shock therapy? This is looking like a choice that is not really a choice.
 
sitting said:
axj said:
I think Putin also sort of endorsed him, ...
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Yes.

Putin had good things to say about him. I think a question to C's might be helpful -- regarding Trump's true nature and motivations. (The answers may be rather surprising I think.)
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As previously noted, Putin was being "diplomatic". In fact, I think Putin was being "innocently sarcastic". What he said was that Trump was a "smart guy" or words to that effect. He never said he was a good guy nor did he endorse him.
 
Laura said:
As previously noted, Putin was being "diplomatic". In fact, I think Putin was being "innocently sarcastic". What he said was that Trump was a "smart guy" or words to that effect.

He never said he was a good guy nor did he endorse him.
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Hi Laura,

You are right. And I made sure there was a caveat in what I had said:

"I find Trump's remarks on Libya and Iraq truthful. But major deceptions
often do carry specks of truth, so as to artfully deceive."

For those worried about a fascist state, my sense is we already have one. But of course it can be made much more dire. The American populace is indeed angry ... because they are desperate. So many are trying to survive from paycheck to paycheck. Or no paycheck at all. Desperate people will turn to desperate things.

My post was in no way an endorsement of Trump. But I honestly think the dynamics underlying his candidacy (and him personally) is worthy of "extra-dimensional" insight. I suspect there's much more to all this than just anger. (And I still think the answers may surprise.)

But I could be very wrong.

FWIW.
 
BHelmet said:
I think it is important to remember that we are not choosing the president; that we are witnessing a dog and pony show; that the president is chosen for those of us in the USA.
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I very much agree. And everything I've said is really within this context.

The one thing worth keeping in mind however, is that the universe (at the end of the day) remains open. And given sufficient butterfly wing power, the mosaic (timeline) can shift. We had one such happening recently I think. And the result (at least for the Syrian people) was indeed life giving.

I could be wrong.

FWIW.
 
Here's my speculation. The next president has already been chosen and it wont be Trump. He is to much of a loose cannon and can't be counted on. We see how he behaves, changing from one day to the next in what he says. He has mental/personality issues that make him quick to change and unstable. He could blow any number of plans at the drop of a hat. Clinton however is totally different in this regard. She'll see it through, follow orders and can be counted on with no surprises. It seems a good possibility, Trump is being used to gauge the minds of the American people as others have said here, which makes sense.

However the story unfolds of Clinton winning, it needs to be believable so the public will buy it. After that, when she sits in the white house, the information gathered by the Trump campaign will be put to use in some way.

I could be wrong of course as sitting would say.
 
I think a major factor to an eventual election of Trump is whether the AIPAC endorses him or not. Poor Americans have to choose between an overt Nazi in Trump and a covert Nazi in Killary Klington. It's a win-win situation for the system in any case.
 
Early on in this election process, I was pretty sure Hillary had already been "selected" and Trump was the loose canon, set out to put the Republican Party in a mess, with a candidate who was unelectable. Now, it seems that Trump might actually win. God help us. It is just so depressing, watching people act like rabid dogs, standing behind a clearly pathological person who endorses torture, Muslim deportations, a Mexican wall and all other manner of lunacy. It seems he truly represents the mindset of many Americans. The mask is off. The sickness is in your face. Looks like it is time for Plan B (to escape the loony bin). :ninja:
 
sitting said:
I find Trump's remarks on Libya and Iraq truthful. But major deceptions often do carry specks of truth, so as to artfully deceive.
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In the case of people like Trump, who obviously suffer from either Narcissistic Personality Disorder or full-blown psychopahty, I would say that any truths that come out of their mouths do so simply by accident. They don't care what the truth is; they simply estimate what is probably going to be better for their personal cause, and if that happens to be truth, it's "fine, whatever" for them. In the case of Trump's remarks on foreign policy, I think he was just trying to distinguish himself from the other candidates by taking a 'refreshing' stance on things. That just happened to be supportive of Putin - because everyone else was saying the opposite.

As for Putin himself, what do you think people would have thought of him had he criticized Trump after Trump gave him a good mark? It's diplomacy but also common sense. Besides, Putin has always behaved like a gentleman, and I doubt he would ever criticize the candidate of another country (which is strictly an internal affair) unless there was an obvious and compelling reason for him to do it.
 
There is one essential difference between Hitler and Trump. All what is left is total economic collapse. With that in mind I don’t see how Hillary could channel all that anger away from their ivory towers. Trump is perfect for the job. He will blame all immigrants and Moslem's and make it work.

America’s total transition to fascism was never meant to be beautiful. There will always be people who resist. But now 14 years after 9/11, most will not resist anymore, they will beg for it. And that’s when you call it in. All that anger needs to be channeled. If you wait to long people will find their own alternatives.

As for AIPAC and Trump. Don't they understand that he is there Hitler they have been waiting for. He will exterminate the entire 4 million Muslim population within a year inside US borders if he gets his way and move on to all other undesirables.

As for the minority who will resist. Those FEMA camps are also build for them. The US already has put in place an immense infrastructure for holocaust 2.0.

For the EU where fascism is more difficult to achieve. Some countries will have to play a more essential role. I am guessing Erdogan will be eager to help out with holocaust 2.0 for just the right deal. I mean we are talking here about the same EU who told Greece to push all immigrants back to sea to let them drown.

When the time comes. I know that Putin will not stay silent. Russia stood up to the Nazi’s. Now they have to stand up against the entire globalization of Nazism. This time, they will truly stand all alone.


I am beginning to understand why the new social order laid out by Pierre has militias. How else to fight back. The Militias of Donbass and Luhansk knew when it was the right time to resist. The Kurds know it. In Europe almost all military power is transferred to the government. We are essential powerless.
 
The Cs once said 4D STS control whether the economy goes up or down... the whole thing is a sham... so if it takes the economy collapsing to get Trump in, that means that he is the elect to lead the US as mandated from those levels...

Looking at the progression of the presidency since 2000s, Hillary seems to be more the natural choice... Bush to Obama to ?... Hillary would be more a continuation, an accentuation... If Obama was Bush 2.0, she'd be Obama 2.0.... she would be able to better implement certain programmes... Trump would almost be like an anomaly on that graph of progression, a break... I don't know... in poker for example, sometimes you are in these situations where you don't know really but at each turn you must put money down to back up what you think... usually if you go all the way, more often than not, it turns out the obvious answer was the correct one i.e. if you knew you didn't have the strongest possible hand and you were hoping they were bluffing but they kept on calling and raising and when it came time to turn the cards over.. guess what? they had the strongest hand!

Hillary is packing some serious heat... Trump just has a bunch of rabid angry supporters... when it comes time to turn the cards over... it'll more than likely be shown that's all he had whilst Killary was like on a royal flush i.e. 'slam dunk fait accompli'.. she's got the supporters (liberals/feminazis/moderates... in short, she's got the centre ground on lock-down + the left), the endorsements, the money, wall street, international backing, lineage, she'll be the first woman US president... what else does she really need to win? her list is ridiculously long... what does Trump have? Angry supporters? Is that it.. he needs to add more to his list... It's like a one dimensional angry boxer going in against Floyd Mayweather... i.e. as much as you hate to admit it, you know who's going to win.
 
bjorn said:
For the EU where fascism is more difficult to achieve.
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I'm not so sure.

I think it's harder here in the U.S. -- primarily due to this element:

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/what-country-has-the-most-guns/

Hence the reason for so many false flags -- to get that "gun control" mindset cemented in minds.
But the ingrained & independent nature of some states and its people, poses a major resistance to such attempts.

It is this element (an armed populace) that gives rise to a semblance of balance. Absent this counter-force, things would've gone much further along I think.

But I could be wrong.

FWIW.
 
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