I agree - we have to remember that the suffering is like the fire used to cook a meal. Once the meal is cooked then it's time to prepare the meal and dining room for guests, and at that point we are more focused on serving others. And, since that is another stage entirely, it is also an entirely new challenge. The point being that without the heat we cannot prepare the 'meal' at all, and there is an entire celebration waiting for us at dinner!3D Student said:I find it hard to imagine what life would be like without self-made or mechanical suffering. But I've been at periods in life where there is more flow and less suffering. So if you work out your programs and gain an understanding of yourself, I think you could get to that point. There will always be accidents or things external that come upon you, but you'd have eliminated your self suffering through knowledge.Joe said:It's possible, I suppose, that there is only a certain amount of suffering/learning that is necessary until the suffering part is no longer necessary, because the suffering part is a function of a lack of understanding/awareness. Once a certain level is reached, learning can proceed without the suffering, at least as we experience it at this level.
But maybe it's not so hard to imagine. Without that suffering, you'd just get on with life and continue pursuing your Aim(s). And on to new and more complex things. So I kind of see this type of suffering as a sort of obstacle, that you overcome after some time and learning.
But what is being 'cooked'? Well Dabrowski would say that it's our real personality - that through suffering we develop the values that will spur us to DO rather than simply react to everything. Then our real work begins. It could be connections to a different thought center, to our higher selves, where we find commitment to a higher cause through the deep grief caused by learning the truth of who we really are, and then what the world is really like. And as we move through that process we come into greater and deeper contact with others on the same path, and an entire 'banquet' comes into existence.
But what about those who make us suffer for their own sadistic reasons? Well it seems that suffering functions as a form of payment. We must suffer in order to pay off our debts, and there are those who make us suffer in order to feed off of that energy and keep us 'enslaved'. Either way there's no getting around it. We either suffer the depredations of the sadistic weirdos out there or we learn to take our suffering into our own hands and pay for a different future. As the C's said in the April 16th Session, we either pass through the 'Valley of the Shadow' or we walk off a cliff.