"Life Without Bread"

Laurentien2

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So far, my list look like this;

Liver ( calve, chicken, goose)
bacon
Pork ( chops,ribs, roast )
Veal
Fatty fish.

I was wondering if duck which is very fatty is on the list. Beef and chicken don't have enough fat, I don't want to eat it but the amount of fat in duck seem like a good add to the list.
 

SeekinTruth

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Laurentien said:
SeekinTruth said:
Laurentien, you may also benefit from taking high doses of L-Glutamine (5000-6000 mg) and slippery elm, and maybe aloe vera to heal your gut faster.
I will rise L-Glutamine to 5000mg but not sure if I can find slippery elm, I will check at the health store today. I just read about it on the net and it sound very good.
Some of it benefice are;
When taken internally, it is highly nutritive and healing for all inflammatory conditions of the stomach, intestines, colon, and urinary organs. When combined with psyllium seed, it is a very potent drink that helps to evacuate the bowels and thus helps in relieving even the most persistent constipation.
Thanks.
I'm not sure it's a good idea to take psyllium seed with the slippery elm, it may do more damage than good. Be very careful with any type of fiber. You may also benefit from Boswellia, and even extra (higher doses) Acetyl L-Carnitine and NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) to get faster gut healing. Also I've read deglycyrrhizinated licorice helps.

Laurentien said:
So far, my list look like this;

Liver ( calve, chicken, goose)
bacon
Pork ( chops,ribs, roast )
Veal
Fatty fish.

I was wondering if duck which is very fatty is on the list. Beef and chicken don't have enough fat, I don't want to eat it but the amount of fat in duck seem like a good add to the list.
If you don't have a problem with ghee or other high quality animal fat, you might occasionally be able to eat chicken and beef -- as long as they're organic, grass fed and finished -- and add fat on the side.
 

Laurentien2

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Posté par: SeekinTruth
« le: Aujourd'hui à 09:48:59 am »

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I'm not sure it's a good idea to take psyllium seed with the slippery elm, it may do more damage than good. Be very careful with any type of fiber. You may also benefit from Boswellia, and even extra (higher doses) Acetyl L-Carnitine and NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) to get faster gut healing. Also I've read deglycyrrhizinated licorice helps.
I wasn't thinking of using psyllium and thing are moving down, got my first bowels movement this morning. Acetyl L-Carnitine is not sold in Canada so I need to order it but I got NAC at home and will start it today. Everything seem to agree with the 0 fibers, 0 carbs so far but it is still early.

If you don't have a problem with ghee or other high quality animal fat, you might occasionally be able to eat chicken and beef -- as long as they're organic, grass fed and finished -- and add fat on the side.
I don't have problem with fat at all but my grass fed beef is so lean except for part like cheek and breast (brisket). I still have a lot of beef in the freezer but I will process it with the pressure caner and keep as reserve.
 

mb

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Laurentien said:
...I will start reading PBPM today and hopefully, I will understand more on this subject.
You might want to go through Fiber Menace first. It's not that many pages, and it contains much detail about the GI tract that you won't find in the other books we have been reading here, and that you need to understand. It even contrasts some of the unwise "standard medical advice" with the statements of the physicians' own reference texts. It could be scary to read, because who likes to think about having GI disease, but don't put off learning what you need to know.

FM doesn't agree with some of the other books about low-carb dieting, presenting instead a low-fiber approach. The author has had severe GI disease himself, and writes from a different perspective. When in doubt over conflicting views, I tend to favor PBPM.

It is really unfortunate that we have this huge disconnect between the medical/food processing industry and reality. It is very confusing and it has its intended effect -- people believe what they are told and make and keep themselves sick. When confronted with the facts, ordinary folks often say it is too confusing -- there is nothing they can do. Doctors, generally, seem to be better trained in not being confused by the facts, and use scare tactics to try to bring you in line. Without having this network to cut through the confusion, it could be very difficult to fight the trend.

Diet is where the "theory" about what is happening in this world ends and it becomes a life-and-death matter to see the truth, break the spell on your own thinking, and act appropriately and quickly on your own behalf. Once you do that, none of the other material you read here will be theoretical any longer.
 

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SeekinTruth said:
I'm not sure it's a good idea to take psyllium seed with the slippery elm, it may do more damage than good. Be very careful with any type of fiber. You may also benefit from Boswellia, and even extra (higher doses) Acetyl L-Carnitine and NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) to get faster gut healing. Also I've read deglycyrrhizinated licorice helps.
Absolutely correct. The slippery elm is okay because it is a ground up tree bark, but NO psyllium seed. That stuff nearly killed Atriedes.
 

Laurentien2

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Posté par: Megan
« le: Aujourd'hui à 10:25:51 am »
You might want to go through Fiber Menace first.
I just ordered the book today Megan and probably will finish PBPM before it arrive but thanks for sharing your though on it.
It sure is confusing if you haven't read enough on the subject, as is my case, on low carbs and low fibers diet. I have learned to trust this forum above all over the years and absolutely feel safe to follow their recommendation. I thought to catch up with this tread come September and read more but, things turned out that I needed advice urgently to heal part of my GI tract, which is in a condition that I never suspected. I may not have been thoroughly in the diet last summer, some days going over the 70 gr of carbs but did raise my fat consumption gradually to a high level. I'm surprise, so far, how my body adapt to the 0 carbs, 0 fibers and like to think that my liver at least got some benefice from my fat consumption.
It is still early but so far no craving for carbs but I try not to look at the berries in fridge to long. My wife and daughter are on a low carbs diet too but, haven't let go of fruit yet. Gabrielle dropped the last blini for breakfast this week but my spouse did not yet. I'm not pushing her, it will be her decision. She will read the books first and process at her own speed. As for our daughter, she is under 30 gram of carbs a day this week and for a 10 years old this is encouraging. She eat like me except for a little portion of fruit now and some vegies. She always preferred meat and specially fat when very young, pointing to have the bone of a T-Bone from her baby chair. We thought it funny and let her have it, fortunately we didn't brain wash her to think that fat was evil. She as no difficulty to adapt at all and the result stiil developing but so far all positive. As a example, she as a lot of stamina and energy. I tested her endurance last summer and was amaze how strong for her age she is. Creatively speaking, she started to play piano at school last years, she chose an art program, and her composition make her teachers cry. They think that she as a great talent and didn't believe us first when they were told that nobody in the family play the piano or any instrument for that matter. I like to think that the diet change since 2 years ago are for something in it. Anything that can help her develop her talent and creativity is welcome and, dieting seem more and more crucial as we go along on the learning path.

Thanks every one from the all the family. :hug:
 

Atreides

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Hey All,

L, Ailen, Psyche and others have been mentioning this thread a lot to me in the hopes that I would take the initiative to post on here about The List, seeing as I am pretty dense, I received a letter in the mail today signed by them with tediously patronizing directions on how to log into the forum and post a message. There were also some threats of bodily harm and a small hair voodoo doll with a small sign reading "OR ELSE."

Being the perceptive and high functioning person that I am, I got their subtle hints and hopped on over to this thread to see what's up.

The List (as opposed to the list, a list, shopping list, unordered list, and sales list) is a mysterious and powerful thing, mysterious in that no-one knows where it came from or how it works, or what's on it exactly, except that you can be pretty sure that whatever you are thinking about putting in your mouth is not on The List.

I should give a bit of backstory to The List, and talk some about its genesis, but I won't bore you with a) things you know or b) things you'll have to pretend to care about for the sake of being polite.

I was fat for a long time, I tried everything to not be fat. Being fat is hard. Wanted to die, almost died, didn't die. 27 years of my life now casually summed up in three sentences, let's skip to the good stuff.

There I was, sitting at my computer, I had not so long ago gotten out of the hospital where stuff took place (almost dieing painfully, almost having my entire colon removed, luckily due to Psyche, Ailen, and L fighting with the Doc to try Anti-biotics first, that wasn't the case) that has already been talked about, and I may write about at some point in a future piece I am calling "Atreides 'End' or The six million dollar colon", and I was in a slump. I had come up with a pretty serious problem.

I had never really thought about why I was fat, at least not in the sense of real thinking. Usually when you think about something, it's really just like playing a recording of other peoples thoughts and ideas, at least I think that applies to me, I won't suggest that other people suffer that same problem, but most of what goes through your head are all kinds of pop ideas about fatness, and meaningfulness, meaningless platitudes (it's what's on the inside that counts) and so on and so forth.

At this point I was pretty much back where I had always been in regards to my body, feeling essentially weak and worthless, unloved and unliked, and more importantly not deserving of love and like. It's really important to understand these two basic things:

1. The mind is not about rational stuff, and neither are feelings, especially for people who have a noticeable problem, like over-eating, over drinking and so on. The worst thing you can say to a person who thinks they don't deserve love is "I love you just the way you are." Because now all they think is that you're a liar. It's not supposed to make sense, in fact, the less sense it makes the deeper the problem is rooted and the worse you make it by trying to apply rational arguments to the problem.

2. Somethings are so deeply rooted in the mind that they really can't be fixed or fought, they need to be redirected in the right way and constantly monitored.

So, where was I? Oh yeah, wallowing in self pity and contemplating going on an ice cream and cake bender and finally doing myself and my colon in for good, actually part of me was like: "What effing luck, death by cake, no wrist slitting or hanging or nauseating drugs, this is like the suicidal jackpot!"

I had been up to this point eating very well by most standards in the house and was well on the way to recovery and losing weight at a decent pace, but had more or less plateaued on that front but I still had this hole inside. Where before I could fill it with snacks and tranquilizing delicious chemicals and sugars and get all higher to tranquilize myself from the horrifying emptiness inside, now I was screwed and couldn't do that anymore but lacked any established method for preventing it, or preventing the nigh irresistible desire.

There was nothing to stop me from going to the store and buying something evil, I could do as I had done before and eaten at the park and then drive home, pretending as if nothing happened. This presented itself as a problem. One that I had wrangled with, and lost, for all of my adult life up to this point. The truth of the situation is this: What is right is never enough, saving yourself is never enough, at that moment the prospect of killing myself with a delicious eclair, of giant subway samich seemed like a kind of heaven.

In the end, you have to do it for other people, but that is hard, especially when you can't actually put yourself in another's shoes, but luckily by this point I had detoxed enough that I was freeing my mind from the perpetual emotional deadness that I had been feeling most of my life. It's not that I didn't care about other people, it's more like there was only so much room in my brain for thinking about the reality I lived in and too much of it was taken up with hating myself and everyone else for not admitting how much they hated me. Yeah, the mind's a pretty kooky-fun place, remember, it's not supposed to make any sense at all.

At this point I caught myself in my downward spiral of self-loathing and wallowy goodness and changed gears, which is where I try to find fun and inspiring things online to read or watch to bring myself around. While on youtube checking out the latest Lady Gaga videos and jamming to Katy Perry, I noticed a video in my list from Carnegie Mellon. (I have most of the Unis subbed for their open courseware lectures and such) it was called the last lecture. By a professor at CMU who was terminally ill, and was giving his "last lecture". I watched it probably 10 times as it was very inspiring. It might not be so for you, I think it's mostly nerdy stuff, but there it is.

The way it inspired me at the moment I watched it was this idea of brick walls, and that they are there for people to prove how much they want something, how dedicated they are to a goal. I began to think about all kinds of philosophical and spiritual concepts, and especially about various ideas of what the next level of existence would be like and I began to think along the lines that it must be more difficult than this level of existence, and that although there may be variable physicality, I imagined that willing matter into a different shape would probably be pretty hard, in fact, if you can't do it here, then you probably can't even do it there etc. I began to think about what it takes to control matter in the here and now, and how that might be represented symbolically as a basic kind of transformation from one thing to another, or one form to another, and that the method is rather arbitrary in the end.

I cursed myself as being weak willed, and thought that will must have something to do with it, as well as intent, and the problem began to flesh itself out.

I love problem solving, it's a bit of an obsession, but I had until this point always hit a brick wall when it came to health issues, mainly because I was going about it all wrong. This of course was the culmination of years and years of thought on the problem (I am a very very very slow thinker.) But brick walls are there for a reason, overcoming them is important practice for life.

Needless to say I was at a point where it was either just go and die, or do something about it, and what really cinched it was a basic desire to do something good and worthwhile. I looked back on my life and saw and felt that I was in every sense I could find a complete and utter failure at everything I had ever tried, at least that is how I felt, I wanted to at least do something right, and I felt that that something shouldn't just benefit me. Suddenly solving the problem of being obese and all self-hatey was more about finding a way out to help other people and not so much about helping myself.

Not too long after that I was starting to venture out a bit, and I was driving to town for something or other and I kind of had a moment of complete and total divine inspiration, or at least that's what I like to call it, it's was probably just gas. I had a total moment of clarity where for a brief instant all of the entirety of the universe seemed to make a kind of twisted sense, and I realized that what I fundamentally lacked was religion in any real sense. That is, I found it very difficult to act because the framework of my mind was not "bound" together for support by some fundamental belief, I didn't believe in anything or anyone, least of all myself.

More to the point, the binding element of my mind was eroded from years of whatever it is I was doing to erode it, so I decided that I needed to church up a bit. It suddenly dawned on me that the way I looked at life, and food, and everything was completely retarded, and that I had never been able to change it because I was like a man trying to push a boulder out of the way without anything fixed to prop my feet against. But from my years of thinking I had come to the conclusion that things like the truth and facts were about as useful as balls on a priest when it comes to fighting erroneus thought patterns. What I needed was a powerful and convenient lie. Well, not a lie per se, but I needed an unverifiable and unquestionable belief in a higher power that could tell me to do what I already knew I should be doing.

Yeah, crazy. Crazy like a fox.

So I had to do a bit of cosmology and mythology and generally create some ambiguous but strong religious beliefs, then one kind of just popped out of its own accord, I never actually planned it, it was called The List.

This seems like it might have taken a bit of time, but I was at The List by the time I got back home. For awhile I kept it to myself, The List was my only comfort and helped guide my decisions when it came to eating. The List is not an actual list, it's much more than that, it's the representation of an entire philosophy about life and food. The List talks about food, but there is more on The List about what not to eat than there is to eat.

The List is direct and stern, there is no arguing with The List, there is no discussion with The List, The List speaks and you damn well better do what The List says.

So what does The List actually say?

The List says: Everything that exists serves a purpose, it was designed for that purpose, and almost everything in the universe doesn't have a damned thing to do with you, and certainly wasn't made for you to put it in your mouth. The Goddess didn't go about looking for new ways to fill your plate, your culinary enjoyment was actually the least of her worries. You are meant to only eat something that is obviously there for you to eat. It turns out, that's pork chops. Human beings are the Pork Chop's only natural predator. Whenever you are sitting there thinking: "Hmm what should I eat today?" Stop! Is there a pork chop in your vicinity or could you with little effort acquire a pork chop? If so, then you question is answered.

But wait you ask, what if I don't have access to a pork chop?

Is there any part of a pig at hand to consume? No? Then don't eat. Because if it isn't a pork chop, or part of a pig, then it's not on The List.

Basically, at this point, as The List has revealed itself, the only things you are allowed to consume are things from Pigs, tea, xylitol, and water. In fact a lot of The List has to do with under what conditions you can actually eat something.

The List says: You should never eat anything that isn't the product of some kind of naturally occurring reproduction, nor can you eat a thing that has been intentionally altered, or fed things that are not natural for it to consume, or are not products of a natural and undisturbed reproductive process. You cannot eat anything sold in a plastic container, with a barcode (the mark of the beast!).

While we've covered what is on The List, you should know that The List is predominantly about what is NOT on The List.

Vegetables of any kind are strictly forbidden by The List. Bird products of any kind are forbidden, if you must use duck fat, do so, but lard is preferred. Variety is strictly forbidden by The List, Recipes are forbidden. Herbs, flavorings, and seasonings of any kind are forbidden. Preparing food in any way, or by any method, for the purpose of "enhancing" the taste is strictly forbidden. The only things you may add to your food are salt.

The List says: People are strange. They must invariably live on the death of something else. Instead of minimizing what they kill, they are always looking for new things to kill and put in their mouths, and always trying to find new and innovative ways to derive pleasure from it. How exactly is this not the definition of sadism? Why do people think that of the multitude of rights a person has, the right to tasty food is of any importance at all in the grand scheme of things? Food is a necessity, and there are things put on this earth that are perfect for nourishing you, they have come to life with the knowledge that part of their purpose is to be eaten by you. There are still other things where part of their purpose is to be eaten by another creature, and another and so on. Each creature has only certain things that it is meant to eat, all the creatures of nature follow this rule, they have one, two, maybe three things on which they seek out and feed. While they may eat a varied diet at one time or another, when their preferred meal is present, they will always go for it.

But humans, they want to eat everything. They want to participate in the wholesale slaughter of just about everything that isn't poisonous, and some things that are, then they want to spice them up and shove them down their gullets, and they make this an almost defining aspect to their lives. They reminisce about the delights of past feasts, and spend endless hours planning new ones. Some are so gluttonous that they pay teams of people to prepare their meals, always demanding more and more and more gastronomical delights.

Many people have asked the question: Is x on the list.

The List says: No. If you have to ask at this point just remember that the default answer is no. If you aren't absolutely sure that The List will approve of what you are trying to eat then don't put it in your mouth. Maybe is not on The List.

But x is really delicious.

The List says: Delicious things are not on The List.

Can't we add x to The List?

The List says: Adding things to The List is not on The List.

Well x is on my list.

The List says: Good luck with that.

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The List thrives on belief in itself. Once I began following the list I lost another 10 kilos and am still losing, I began to feel much better, much more active, and was able to focus to a greater degree. I have found myself much more capable of understanding others and how they feel, I have become more sensitive and dedicated, and am rarely depressed at all, and when I am depressed, it's never the doom and gloom I hate myself and everyone and the world can go to hell kind of depression I was used to.

In the end, the whole point of The List is about changing how you think about food, in a fun and kooky way, it's a kind of misdirection for the mind. It's about making a conscious choice to think a specific way, something I think very few people ever do. It's about taking complete control of your mind and convincing it to do what you need it to do to accomplish your goals. Instead of berating yourself, or hating yourself, you simply give your mind a reason, totally illogical, to counteract the already illogical and unreasonable ideas in your head.

It also helps to counteract reasonable ideas built on logic and based on wrong assumptions, they are totally obliterated by The List.

When it comes to bad thinking, think of it a bit like a garden with weeds that grow so fast that by the time you get to the end, you have to start back at the beginning and you are always trying to pull up one weed or another and it's a constant chore. You can't win by doing the same things over and over again, you need something completely radical and way out in left field, something the weeds didn't expect.

The List may seem pretty specific to me, but there is a lot about The List that you might not understand from first looking at it, it's not really so much about what you should eat, but what you shouldn't eat, and even more importantly why you shouldn't. The List is about minimalism and, it's like dietary Aikido, and mental Aikido, and a whole bunch of do's. It's about making your life not have anything to do with your food. About separating your emotions from your food, that's not their purpose, animals aren't here to die so you can feel better about yourself. You should feel better about yourself because you do better things, doing things is what will actually help you feel better about yourself, food is a cheap way of getting your emo-yayas off.

Most people try to add things to The List, that's because they don't grok the purpose of The List, they want to make it into a justification for their same old bad ideas about food. They want to maintain their current way of thinking and The List becomes The Justification. In the end, The List is a kind of monodiet, that is what is meant by "Variety is not on The List." Saying you are bored with your food is also not on The List. Boredom isn't permitted because you can only be bored with your food if you are still thinking about food in the wrong way. I eat Pork Chops every day, day in and day out, sometimes I have a bit of bacon, or a piece of pork sausage, but generally speaking, I prefer the Pork Chop.

Now I don't want you to think that I always follow the list, I have been known to have a bit of lettuce now and again, and I once put some vinegar on my Pork Chop, but every single time I deviate from The List, I feel it almost immediately and I always regret it.

Finally, there is the idea of food and social-ness. I can generally only eat Pork Chops, it's the only thing I want to eat, I am never bored with them, I always prefer them, there are a great many things that I cannot eat, but I have yet to meet a single person who really cannot eat a Pork Chop. The List is about the least common denominator, the food that everyone can share together, that no one has to turn down because they are allergic, or know they will have a bad reaction.

So what have we learned?

The List is not a list, it's not a series of things or bullet points, or numbers. You can't write it down, you can't add to it, or take away from it, it's not that kind of thing. The List is like a fulcrum, you provide the lever and with it you can move your mental world. Once you learn and understand what The List is, you won't have to ask "Is this on The List" because you will understand why it's not on The List.
 

Path27

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Atreides said:
L, Ailen, Psyche and others have been mentioning this thread a lot to me in the hopes that I would take the initiative to post on here about The List, seeing as I am pretty dense, I received a letter in the mail today signed by them with tediously patronizing directions on how to log into the forum and post a message. There were also some threats of bodily harm and a small hair voodoo doll with a small sign reading "OR ELSE."
The only thing better than tough love is tough love done with creativity and a sense of humor. This cracked me up.

Thanks for putting the time and effort into posting this, Atreides. I feel comforted -- I was wondering if the fact that most days I eat exactly three things every day (two of them pork products) meant that I was lazy or uncreative. Now I know that it was The List manifesting Itself in my life.

This makes me think of the move Julie and Julia. I didn't really like Julie to begin with because she was so whiny and self-absorbed, but I did like Julia Roberts (at least how she was portrayed) and thought it was really neat being able to cook something different every day of the year. However, Julia was obviously not privy to the wisdom of The List. Too bad she never knew -- who knows what she could have done using only salt and porkchops.
 

seek10

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Thank you for the essay on the List, sounded mystical and it is on the lines of "Life is Religion". But at the end it is one effective guideline that fits into our life for optimum functionality as it is designed by some thing higher purpose that we can only hope to comprehend.
 

mb

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Laura said:
...The slippery elm is okay because it is a ground up tree bark, but NO psyllium seed. That stuff nearly killed Atriedes.
A brief excerpt from Fiber Menace:

Rules of transition for individuals affected by constipation and colorectal disorders

Supplemental fiber must go first. You won’t regret this decision because it doesn’t relieve constipation anyway, and causes exactly the same problems it purports to relieve and prevent—more constipation, and anorectal damage from large stools.

Fiber from psyllium is probably the most offensive, because it’s at once (1) a bulking agent capable of obstructing the esophagus and intestines, (2) an osmotic laxative capable of causing severe diarrhea, (3) a fermentable biomass that causes acidic damage of the intestinal epithelium, and (4) a severe allergen for some people. And all that besides the cramping, bloating, gases, and severe straining required to expel large stools.

According to the 2005 American College of Gastroenterology Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders Task Force,[8] psyllium recommendations are based on several “suboptimally designed” (that’s a euphemism for phony) clinical trials. Other bulking agents are just as useless:

“Guidelines for the Treatment of Chronic Constipation: ...poorly designed RCTs [randomly controlled trials] involving fewer than 100 patients do not demonstrate differences between calcium polycarbophil or methylcellulose compared with psyllium.[9]”

...

Monastyrsky, Konstantin (2011-01-14). Fiber Menace . Ageless Press. Kindle Edition.
 

SeekinTruth

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Atreides said:
Hey All,

L, Ailen, Psyche and others have been mentioning this thread a lot to me in the hopes that I would take the initiative to post on here about The List, seeing as I am pretty dense, I received a letter in the mail today signed by them with tediously patronizing directions on how to log into the forum and post a message. There were also some threats of bodily harm and a small hair voodoo doll with a small sign reading "OR ELSE."

Being the perceptive and high functioning person that I am, I got their subtle hints and hopped on over to this thread to see what's up.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for the laughs, Atreides!

I didn't have the life threatening and/or loss of colon threatening experience you did, but I pretty much follow The List as well. In the last few months, some people asked me what I eat, and my answer is always pork. If they ask what else, I say also pork, pork, and pork. And always fatty pork! :)
 

pete02

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Much thanks for your post Atreides. :headbanger:

As our diets have been changing so much with all the new info we keep learning I constantly find my List is getting smaller and smaller. However reading your post made me put myself in your shoes for a bit there and brought me back down to Earth about what food is really all about. Heck, after reading your list I think I can still lose a couple of things off of mine! All in all though your post was an amusing reminder that I needed to hear right about now and I'm grateful to you and the girls for posting it. It seems their directions were spot on because you did a champy job at logging in and posting! :lol:

Also really glad to hear that your feeling much better physically and mentally about yourself nowadays. You certainly deserve it! :rockon:
 

Laura

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Atreides said:
In the end, the whole point of The List is about changing how you think about food, in a fun and kooky way, it's a kind of misdirection for the mind. It's about making a conscious choice to think a specific way, something I think very few people ever do. It's about taking complete control of your mind and convincing it to do what you need it to do to accomplish your goals. Instead of berating yourself, or hating yourself, you simply give your mind a reason, totally illogical, to counteract the already illogical and unreasonable ideas in your head.
Even though Atriedes has made the above tongue-in-cheek remarks about The List, those of you who read his essay carefully - and more than once - may notice the extraordinary rationality of this attitude toward food. As he pointed out: food should not really be about pleasure - what is pleasurable in taking the life of another being? - but about spare functionality. The way you eat, what you eat or don't eat, will not make you pure or holy; but there is a rational, objective reason for optimal diet practice, and that is service to others. To be able to be of service with the minimum of suffering imposed on the planet and its living system in the process.
 

stellar

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Atriedes said:
Basically, at this point, as The List has revealed itself, the only things you are allowed to consume are things from Pigs, tea, xylitol, and water. In fact a lot of The List has to do with under what conditions you can actually eat something.

The List says: No. If you have to ask at this point just remember that the default answer is no. If you aren't absolutely sure that The List will approve of what you are trying to eat then don't put it in your mouth. Maybe is not on The List.
That basically sums up my daily menu and it works for me. I really just have to completely kick the coffee but it has been my hardest stumbling block.

Thank you Atreides for your post. It was very meaningful to me and I love your sense of humour and wit. It would be awesome to hear from you more often.


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stellar, keep at it and you'll eventually kick the coffee habit. I was a huge coffee drinker (4 or 5 huge mugs a day) and I kicked it completely around five years ago and haven't looked back. If I can do it, anyone can.
 
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