"Life Without Bread"

[SolarMother]

I got a block from Avast virus software when trying to go to their website. Did anyone else have this problem? Avast doesn't seem to have a way to bypass this block, ie, mark it safe. Does anyone know a way around it?

The message was "HTML: Script-inf"

I am not able to access this website either. I tried everything I could think of...
re-pasting in browser and google-ing the name. Came up with a white/blank page each time. Anyone else experiencing this?

Mess for me was: yelseek.com/_c_tracking/track.php?id=0

 

[truth seeker]

I can't get to the whitethunder website either even after clearing the cache and cookies and specifically changing the setting to allow the site. For those who have fb however, I have the link below. They also have an etsy page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/White-Thunder-Organics/352511503292#!/pages/White-Thunder-Organics/352511503292?sk=info

http://www.etsy.com/people/whitethunderorganics?ref=ls_profile

 

[Palinurus]

I also drew a blank screen with whitethunderorganics. I'm using AVG security suite. On their website I found this:

30-day site report for: whitethunderorganics.com Potentially Active Threats! During the last 7 days potentially active threats were detected on the main site of this domain. Threat Type: Script Injection. Highly Active. You have a high chance of encountering a threat of this type during daily browsing activity. Last 30-day summary report. Updated Oct 04, 2011 23:59 GMT Description: These pages have had references to remote exploit scripts (type 1702 and 1904) injected into them. Such pages are often corrupted, OR the referenced scripts may no longer be accessible, and thus the page may not be infective, but they are still potentially dangerous and should be avoided.

I have no clue as to how to circumvent this, but I see truth seeker in the meantime has found something useful.

 

[Hesper]

I have no clue as to how to circumvent this, but I see truth seeker in the meantime has found something useful.

Yeah, thanks Truth Seeker. It's strange because I was able to get to the website yesterday but now I'm having the same problem as everyone else.

 

[truth seeker]

I also called the number on the fb info page and left a message asking them about it. If they call me back, I'll post here.

 

[LQB]

I also called the number on the fb info page and left a message asking them about it. If they call me back, I'll post here.

Sorry I haven't gotten back to this thread sooner. When I ordered I did not use the website since it isn't finished. The best thing to do when ordering is to call them direct at 605 452 3233 (and e-mail is tristaolsen@whitethunderorganics.com). They seem like very nice folk - I'm sure they would like to hear about any probs with their website.

 

[Laura]

My decision, based upon what I have been able to learn about the risks, has been to strictly avoid grains, starch, and sugar because of my health situation (at risk of diabetes), but not to strictly avoid conventional meat or green vegetables when nothing else is available because not eating is more likely to cause me problems than contaminants in the food.

I take the same approach. Sometimes you have to make do, but there are a few things I avoid totally strictly, always and ever: grains, dairy, sugar. If that is ALL that is available, I'll drink water. But I try not to be in such situations by a little planning. And if I'm going to be in a place where I know I won't have many options, I'll take a bit of bacon or a sausage with me or even eat some roasted nuts though they can be inflammatory. They usually aren't if I just have them once in awhile.

 

[beetlemaniac]

Of course you have will make adjustments for the different situations in which you find yourself. If you haven't thought about it in advance and decided (more or less) what to do, you might find yourself doubting the choices you make (and visualizing things that might happen), and that uncertainty can manifest in the form of "symptoms." That can lead to more uncertainty and more "symptoms," and it can mask real symptoms that might come from eating food that is different from that to which you are accustomed. So I think it really has more to do with uncertainty than with "strictness."

The point you made about uncertainty manifesting as "symptoms" really nailed something in. I will be more conscious of the choices I make, and identify points where uncertainties could exist. I guess the important thing is to not get carried away by them and allowing them manifest as "symptoms."

Being "strict" can mean following a rule "because it is the rule" if there is not an objective basis. It can also represent beat-yourself-up programming, especially if you come from a narcissistic family. Strictness, when required, needs to arise from the facts, as best you can can know them.

I recognize this as the problem I had when I was on the USD, being from a narcissistic family system really made things hard. But it was good in the sense that I finally learned about what the Negative Introject really was all about.

My decision, based upon what I have been able to learn about the risks, has been to strictly avoid grains, starch, and sugar because of my health situation (at risk of diabetes), but not to strictly avoid conventional meat or green vegetables when nothing else is available because not eating is more likely to cause me problems than contaminants in the food.

I should be more strict as I have been introducing some sugar that's in the dark chocolate I've been indulging in recently.

 

[mcb]

I should be more strict as I have been introducing some sugar that's in the dark chocolate I've been indulging in recently.

Perhaps. I have chocolate made from cocoa powder, coconut oil, and coconut milk very occasionally, but I don't sweeten it with sugar (I used stevia the last time) and there is some external consideration involved. I don't want to go into details, but it's a little like you and your relatives. It differs from chocolate binges of the past in that after I have a little bit of it, I don't want any more! I suppose that is because of the limited carbs and high fat content.

When you say "should be" it makes me wonder what is happening. Sugar can be addicting, and you might be feeling some of that. In any case if you have set a reasonable dietary goal and then you do things that sabotage that goal, you need to do something about that -- do what you said you were going to do! To me (i.e. when it is me doing it) that kind of inconsistency is a much more serious problem than any dietary issue.

I don't think there is any easy fix for that kind of problem. You just need to keep your word.

 

[beetlemaniac]

I don't think there is any easy fix for that kind of problem. You just need to keep your word.

Thanks Megan. I just realised that the need to get my choc-fix seems to always be due to not fulfilling a more "essential" need, if I may use it in the Fourth Way sense of the word. That need seems to be for knowledge. When I encounter something that really fires me up, something that my essence needed to know, nothing matters, just that contact with knowledge. The desire can be painful!

Oh yeah, and about my first post, I was influenced by the belief that we inherit some kind of karmic burden from the animals we eat, which I translated (haphazardly) into emotional issues, which may not be the case. Maybe it's a burden in an energetic sense that is more difficult to quantify.

 

[Gwenllian]

What about clay, salt and some essential oils?
Anybody any experience?

Yes, with green clay (Montmorillonite) : I simply put clay containing water in my mouth and brush with a soft brush. But although I use the "surfine" drinkable clay I take care to use only the "mud", so no "grain of sand" comes into my mouth.
After brushing and rinsing I put clay-water in my mouth again for five minutes, with has the effect of the clay drawing any little chunk that might be left between the teeth.

That is a good idea, danse la vie, to leave the clay water in your mouth.

I used clay together with salt a couple of times and I think I didn't rinse.
So at first my teeth would feel as if I had not brushed and then afterwards they would feel cleaned up.
With Weleda toothpastes (an organic brand) you are not meant to rinse your mouth with water afterwards, so that the toothpaste can do its work. I would assume it is the same for clay.

I will start using clay again in my toothpaste. ;)

The toothpaste, even from the organic shop, attacked my teeth and flesh, that's why I changed about 3 years ago. The toothaches disappeared.
But back then I added 3 drops sunflower oil in the clay water, otherwise my teeth still got very sensitive each time I drank the vitamin C. Since I changed to the fat diet though (as soon as it came out on the forum), my teeth also have changed and I no longer need to add oil.

That is great.

According to the teacher of my course in herbs sunflower oil is also good for the gums. Rinse for 15 minutes, until the oil has become white and watery. Eliminates waste products. Apparently, oil closes off, so that no bacteria can enter.

 

[Danse la vie]

What about clay, salt and some essential oils?
Anybody any experience?

That is a good idea, danse la vie, to leave the clay water in your mouth.

I used clay together with salt a couple of times and I think I didn't rinse.
(...)
With Weleda toothpastes (an organic brand) you are not meant to rinse your mouth with water afterwards, so that the toothpaste can do its work. I would assume it is the same for clay.

I will start using clay again in my toothpaste. ;)
(...) According to the teacher of my course in herbs sunflower oil is also good for the gums. Rinse for 15 minutes, until the oil has become white and watery. Eliminates waste products. Apparently, oil closes off, so that no bacteria can enter.

Mariama,
Also Weleda was too harsh for my teeth at that time.
Green clay is pulling all toxic stuff out of your mouth, including heavy metals and other nasty stuff from fillings, so I wrote after brushing I rinse the loaded clay water.
Then I pour fresh clay water in my mouth and keep it the way you do with sunflower oil.

I also did the sunflower oil procedure. It is miraculous to protect the deteriorating teeth from the acids attack, as long as we miss a fat diet. Clay has about the same deep cleansing purpose, plus it rebuilds the teeth : slowly before the fat diet, quickly after, provided we ingest enough vitamin C and other nutrients.

Using clay in your toothpaste might be difficult, as you would have to process the clay a lot in order to eliminate all grains of silica, that would be damaging for the tooth enamel. Same caution with sea salt. The more the clay is processed, the more it loses its properties.

Rather than trying to reproduce a toothpaste consistency, you might have it more efficient to forget it all and give a brand new look at your tooth cleansing mixture :
I just use a small glass jar in which I poor water, add some clay and let it rest. Before using my tooth-cleanse fluid, I just move the jar so the clay mud comes up, the silica grains staying on the bottom, and pour in my mouth the needed quantity.
I use it again for the mouth rinse-bath while I clean my face with the rest. Refill for the next use. Some kind of “paleo allround cleanser”…
Simple is beautiful.


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[Danse la vie]

Hmmm... now that you mention this, I am reminded of how sensitive my teeth used to be but now are way less sensitive. Heck, mine were so touchy, I had to rinse my mouth with warm water or it was painful. Nothing cold or hot could be allowed in my mouth. But now I can rinse my mouth with the regular cold water from the tap without feeling like I'm going to pass out!

Since the fat diet I can also even drink the cold water from the fridge. The plaque that built up between my bottom teeth has gone.
Spinach cooked without fat used to give my teeth a weird feel that the oxalic acid was doing its job of dissolving them. Spinach cooked with beef fat instead is doing no harm at all. The food themselves don’t seem to be the real matter, the way they are prepared changing all. Like it seems almonds can become significantly more edible when first germinated, then dried in the oven or roasted.

Since the fat diet, also the rebuilding of my teeth with the help of green clay has speeded up. There was a sort of cavity all over the top of one front tooth, starting from the limit of the gum (called in French “collet”), that was extending and constantly painful. After stopping any toothpaste and continuing to put green clay I saw it shrink gradually, and now with the fat diet it has completely rebuilt. There's only a fine darker line left.

Danse la vie

 

[Gwenllian]

Mariama,
Also Weleda was too harsh for my teeth at that time.
Green clay is pulling all toxic stuff out of your mouth, including heavy metals and other nasty stuff from fillings, so I wrote after brushing I rinse the loaded clay water.
Then I pour fresh clay water in my mouth and keep it the way you do with sunflower oil.

I also did the sunflower oil procedure. It is miraculous to protect the deteriorating teeth from the acids attack, as long as we miss a fat diet. Clay has about the same deep cleansing purpose, plus it rebuilds the teeth : slowly before the fat diet, quickly after, provided we ingest enough vitamin C and other nutrients.

Using clay in your toothpaste might be difficult, as you would have to process the clay a lot in order to eliminate all grains of silica, that would be damaging for the tooth enamel. Same caution with sea salt. The more the clay is processed, the more it loses its properties.

Rather than trying to reproduce a toothpaste consistency, you might have it more efficient to forget it all and give a brand new look at your tooth cleansing mixture :
I just use a small glass jar in which I poor water, add some clay and let it rest. Before using my tooth-cleanse fluid, I just move the jar so the clay mud comes up, the silica grains staying on the bottom, and pour in my mouth the needed quantity.
I use it again for the mouth rinse-bath while I clean my face with the rest. Refill for the next use. Some kind of “paleo allround cleanser”…
Simple is beautiful.


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Since the fat diet, also the rebuilding of my teeth with the help of green clay has speeded up. There was a sort of cavity all over the top of one front tooth, starting from the limit of the gum (called in French “collet”), that was extending and constantly painful. After stopping any toothpaste and continuing to put green clay I saw it shrink gradually, and now with the fat diet it has completely rebuilt. There's only a fine darker line left.

Danse la vie

This is wonderful information, danse la vie, thanks.

The reason I like the idea of salt had to with a cd that I listened to. A dentist explained how you could re-mineralise your teeth by rinsing water that is as hot as you can possibly stand with as much salt in it as much as you can stand. However, I think that if you have amalgam fillings this could be a problem. But I prefer clay instead.
I have worked with clay before. When my child had a nasty wound on his leg which had started infecting I used clay to clean his wound and get rid of the heat. It worked miracles. Also used it once with my partner who had some swelling in his foot. Used clay together with lemon essential oil. I am getting more and more confident.

I like the idea of first cleaning my teeth with clay and then use the rest for my face. :D
Have you ever used clay for your hair?

Thanks again, I will start tonight using clay as you said. Can't wait!

 

[Gwenllian]

Hi,

I was wondering. Is a high fat, somewhat high protein, low carb diet suitable for everybody?
Do different cultures have a different constitution?
What strikes me (and I admit I am fairly sensitive that way) is that books like Life without Bread and Primal Body, Primal Mind were written by white people. Was their research based on a cross-cultural population? (I haven't read PBPM yet.) I suspect that Lutz's research in Austria involved (a majority of) white people.
I myself am white, but have friends (one is from Indonesia) that are not. Is there any difference at all?
I have read a bit fairly quickly about the blood type diet, but was wondering the same thing. Was the research based on a cross-cultural population or does there need to be?

I have found that most white people that I know (myself included) use a white frame of reference. I may be wrong. Just my two thoughts.