"Life Without Bread"

[Laura]

I'll repeat it again: do not rely on the forum for all the information you need to conduct dietary experiments. Please read the books we discuss here. Please go slow and easy with these experiments. Everybody is different and unique so easy does it!

 

[Gertrudes]

It is VERY anti-cavity and there are special xylitol toothpastes made because of that.

Oh, that was a surprise. Xylitol is anti cavity?? I definitely have to try your recipe. Now I'm curious, what about the sea salt?

I can have a few once in awhile, but in general, not a few every day because it builds up inflammation. I really didn't like this fact, but there it is. It's just not worth it to experience the backaches and foggy head and dizziness that comes with eating nuts!
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Which is probably a good reason to mostly avoid them for about everybody. As we've noted, some people are like the canary in the mind, with instant reactions, others have ongoing, slow damage taking place with no overt symptoms.

Hmmm....I think I should stop nuts for a while. I don't notice anything specific, but it bothers me this sensation that almost borders addictiveness when eating them. This is usually not a good sign.

We were talking about that the other day and how the diet seems to bring out whatever is going on in the body and some people mistakenly blame the diet for that! But it seems obvious that if gluten and casein bind with the opiate receptors, just simply removing them can allow all kinds of symptoms to appear because you are no longer drugging your body. There may be other factors in gluten and casein that suppress symptoms while the gluten and casein do their damage silently... that's a scary thought.

I'm glad you brought that up. Throughout the years I have done a lot of damage to my body even tough it seemed like I was simply not susceptible, my body just kept going and going. Then I changed my diet, and I understood how it feels to actually live, and not drag myself around like a zombie who believes that feeling constantly tired is normal. Then I went paleo and my system just seems to have suffered a 180 degree turn. I have become super sensitive to a lot of things, and have had reactions I don't recall ever having. I think that it is very reasonable to hypothesize about the suppressing effect of gluten and casein though, and it may be the case that several of us are now experiencing a "re sensitization".

Yes, the fat nausea comes up for me now and again. When it does, I just pop an enzyme or two and that usually fixes me up. Really makes me realize how far off my system is from being able to consume and digest the things that it evolved on.

I know the feeling...
About enzymes, sometimes they seem to work for me, but most of the time they seem to make no difference. Yesterday (ironically after I posted) I ventured into eating a little bit more of fat then usual. I felt nauseous, and 8 hours after my entire lunch came out undigested. I hadn't taken digestive enzymes, but this has already happened when taking them after a more fat loaded meal.
I think that I'm underestimating the amount of fat that the meat or fish I eat has, and when adding that little bit more on the side, my body can't take it. It was my fault really, I already knew I should have been careful, but I just wanted to test it, again, for the one hundredth time...

 

[Gertrudes]

- hunger feeling
- stomach pains
- bloating (just happened once)
- pain in legs, arms, whole body basically (after my gut got rebuilt, I guess it was time for my other parts in my body to start getting used to burning fat, this lasted only 2 days)
- sometimes weak feeling in legs (also lasted for a few days)
- severe headache that lasted a whole day

Not specifically in that order, I have also had all of these symptoms Oxajil. In my case, the pain and fatigue disappeared once I went into full ketosis, thankfully. The bloating, stomach pains and the headache were, I think, excess protein related. They vanished after I cut down on protein. However, I can't eat that much fat either because it overwhelms my digestive system, so I have lost some weight. Nevertheless, and apart from when I do something silly (like eating too much), I'm feeling very good :)

Very good to hear how the diet has helped you though, not only from a purely physical level, but how it has also affected so much your own mental approach to food. I think that this has been happening a lot amongst many of us here :)

Thank you for the suggestion. I am allergic to celery and I couldn't find bacon with out either celery or sugar/honey. Before that, I was eating pemmican that I got on the net. I ran out of it though. I stopped measuring the protein also. I think I had zinc defeciency based on symptoms ( dry skin, tiredness memory issues etc. Other than crazy work ). Seems to have got it after started sauna back.

You could also cook any meat and chop it up/store it in the fridge to snack on.

It may be worth stopping the sauna's if your problems started with that, it may be you are detoxing too fast (this will cause all sorts of problems, such as emotional problems, fatigue and taxing the liver). It may also explain why you are skinny - the low carb diet acts like a diuretic so your body will loose water/salts/minerals faster than usual....if you are doing saunas you are also loosing water/salts/minerals. You'd need to be drinking a lot of water/salts/minerals to replace them (but be mindful not to over do them to, best research this). Dehydration and lack of salts and minerals will also cause emotional problems and fatigue, and severe dehydration leads to weight loss - a very serious condition.

Adding to what Redfox said, I think that it may also be relevant to mention how much dealing with constant stress and lack of proper sleep can strongly impact one's system. So much so that our bodies are simply less able to cope, and my guess is that detoxification in those circumstances may actually deplete them.
For example when I sleep less, my digestion is directly affected. And perhaps some of us here are familiar with the feeling of finally taking a break/holiday from our work after a prolonged, very stressful, and exhausting period, and we immediately become sick. It's as if our bodies have entered into shut down mode for a much needed regenerative period after having been so overwhelmed.

Not sure if this helps seek10, but it is just that I have a similar feeling to Anart's. You have talked a few times about how you were finding it hard to cope with so many things at once (lack of sleep, stress, work, and so on). Maybe this is playing a role on your health issues?

Take good care

 

[seek10]

Thank you for the suggestion. I am allergic to celery and I couldn't find bacon with out either celery or sugar/honey. Before that, I was eating pemmican that I got on the net. I ran out of it though. I stopped measuring the protein also. I think I had zinc defeciency based on symptoms ( dry skin, tiredness memory issues etc. Other than crazy work ). Seems to have got it after started sauna back.

Hi seek10, would you consider starting a thread in the swamp or another private section about what you're currently going through? My sense is that it's only partly physiological and that it might really benefit you to open up and talk about your stresses, your fears, your emotional struggles, your uncertainty and all the things that are draining you, worrying you and currently dragging you down. You don't have to deal with all of that by yourself - that's why we're here. Just a thought.

I was thiking of writing them for a while, but didn't. I will write it next few days.

It may be worth stopping the sauna's if your problems started with that, it may be you are detoxing too fast (this will cause all sorts of problems, such as emotional problems, fatigue and taxing the liver). It may also explain why you are skinny - the low carb diet acts like a diuretic so your body will loose water/salts/minerals faster than usual....if you are doing saunas you are also loosing water/salts/minerals. You'd need to be drinking a lot of water/salts/minerals to replace them (but be mindful not to over do them to, best research this). Dehydration and lack of salts and minerals will also cause emotional problems and fatigue, and severe dehydration leads to weight loss - a very serious condition.

I was cautious and going little slow than usual. Looks that is not sufficient. I was taking enough salt, but could be issue with other minerals and probably more water too. I will stop sauna for now. Regarding weught I am stuck at the same weight of 120 for last 2 years after glueten free diet is started. but recurrence of the dry skin some what surprised me.

I read some of the recommended books, needs to reread them and cross verify.

For example when I sleep less, my digestion is directly affected. And perhaps some of us here are familiar with the feeling of finally taking a break/holiday from our work after a prolonged, very stressful, and exhausting period, and we immediately become sick. It's as if our bodies have entered into shut down mode for a much needed regenerative period after having been so overwhelmed.
Take good care

you are right spont on. I have a crazy 2 week work situation went on with little sleep in between. At the time, My body seems to handled well. but last 2 or 3 days, feeling very exhausted, fatigued

thank you all for the suggestions.

 

[sebbe]

...I brush my teeth with a mixture of sodium bicarbonate, salt and xylitol. Works really well.

I can testify too to this, xylitol seems to be very good for teeth.

I make 2-3 mouthwash (10-15 mn each one, with one teaspoon) of xylitol each day since 6 month and i can see a very slowly rebuilding of my teeth (i take minerals too).

In this connection, i wonder if xylitol, by the sublingual way, can go through the mouth to blood, and, consequently, increase consumption of carbohydrate.

If this is the case, we must count it too in our ratio.

 

[Oxajil]

Hi Gertrudes, thanks, it is also good to hear that people are doing better with the changes they made with their diet :)

However, I can't eat that much fat either because it overwhelms my digestive system, so I have lost some weight.

Hmmm you mentioned nausea when you'd get in too much fat. Well do you get nausea when you add too much fat as in butter? Or do you get nausea when you add too much fat from any source (lard/tallow as well)?

Because, personally, from past experiences I only get nausea when I eat too much butter (coconut oil makes me nausea too). However, eating too much of fat from animal-meat, like lard, duck fat and tallow did not make me nausea. Too much fat from those sources simply made me not crave them anymore, I started to crave for fish instead, and ate fish, until I started craving lard again. So for me, only (an excess of) butter seemed to cause me nausea, which is also one of the reasons I don't take it at the moment.

Usually the fat from the meat and fish is enough for me, and sometimes I pour some cooked duck fat on my food or cook up some lard pieces. Never got nausea from them, so maybe if you've been using lotsa butter, you could try changing your fat sources? Dunno though!

And I've been thinking. Maybe butter may not be that natural for the body? I wonder when it was introduced to the human's diet? Perhaps the fat composition of butter (which is fat from milk) could be a bit unnatural to the body, compared to the fat composition of fat from meat? Or maybe it's not that and I'm just super casein sensitive. Guess as always, things depend on the person. Just a thought I thought I'd share.

 

[Gertrudes]

Thanks for the thoughts Oxajil, butter for me is also a big no no. I can have it very occasionally and in very small quantities, more then that and it wrecks my system, so it is basically excluded from my diet. However, I seem to do fine with Ghee.

About the nausea, my problem seems to be with fat in general, any type of fat. It's ok if I eat fatty meat or fish, although I am still careful, but what causes the problem is the extra fat I may add on. This happens both by adding fat from another source that not from the meat itself, or the fat that was released from the meat itself in a stew or roast for example. So now when I stew something I eat my meat and only pour a little bit of the released fat/sauce to any vegetables I may add.

I'm actually ok in eating little chunks of fat on their own, if it isn't with a meal. I suppose that because my meal is already fatty, my body can't take the excess, so I have to sort of divide my fat consumption through the day, and that really keeps my stomach and gut happy! My next step is to start getting used to program my day so as to have more frequent little meals as that seems to be how I digest best.

And I've been thinking. Maybe butter may not be that natural for the body? I wonder when it was introduced to the human's diet? Perhaps the fat composition of butter (which is fat from milk) could be a bit unnatural to the body, compared to the fat composition of fat from meat? Or maybe it's not that and I'm just super casein sensitive.

I thought about that, but many here seem to do Ok with butter. Then again, some symptoms don't become obvious until much later. I don't really know, but I do think that I'm very casein sensitive, which seems to be the case with you as well.

 

[seek10]

Hi Gertrudes, thanks, it is also good to hear that people are doing better with the changes they made with their diet :)

However, I can't eat that much fat either because it overwhelms my digestive system, so I have lost some weight.

Hmmm you mentioned nausea when you'd get in too much fat. Well do you get nausea when you add too much fat as in butter? Or do you get nausea when you add too much fat from any source (lard/tallow as well)?

Because, personally, from past experiences I only get nausea when I eat too much butter (coconut oil makes me nausea too). However, eating too much of fat from animal-meat, like lard, duck fat and tallow did not make me nausea. Too much fat from those sources simply made me not crave them anymore, I started to crave for fish instead, and ate fish, until I started craving lard again. So for me, only (an excess of) butter seemed to cause me nausea, which is also one of the reasons I don't take it at the moment.

And I've been thinking. Maybe butter may not be that natural for the body? I wonder when it was introduced to the human's diet? Perhaps the fat composition of butter (which is fat from milk) could be a bit unnatural to the body, compared to the fat composition of fat from meat? Or maybe it's not that and I'm just super casein sensitive. Guess as always, things depend on the person. Just a thought I thought I'd share.

yesterday, I cooked some beef flat top with coconut oil and add some extra coconut oil before eating (similar amount of duck fat I used to add), felt very nauseated. I had same observations with butter. I will try one more time with butter and see how it goes.

 

[mcb]

I feel nauseous too after eating a lot of fat. I have been interpreting that as a signal to "eat less fat." Since I am losing weight I want to limit fat somewhat anyway, and I don't have a problem with it as long as I do that.

Once I reach my goal (still about 20 out of 35 pounds to go) if I can't eat enough fat to maintain my weight then that will be a problem. I am hoping that doesn't happen.

After three months I still haven't felt the "Atkins Edge" but I am losing weight steadily if slowly without going hungry, and my blood sugar is the steadiest it has ever been (though a bit high at the last test). It is pretty amazing. I am feeling fatigue, but I have had that all my life and it isn't any worse than usual. It tends to diminish when the weather cools off.

 

[Ollie]

...I brush my teeth with a mixture of sodium bicarbonate, salt and xylitol. Works really well.

I've been using a combination of salt and bicarbonate of soda for about a year now, and can testify to its effectiveness. From Laura's post I've now added some Xylitol to the mix as well to get the reported extra benefit of dealing with cavities.

 

[Laura]

...I brush my teeth with a mixture of sodium bicarbonate, salt and xylitol. Works really well.

I've been using a combination of salt and bicarbonate of soda for about a year now, and can testify to its effectiveness. From Laura's post I've now added some Xylitol to the mix as well to get the reported extra benefit of dealing with cavities.

Not only that, it tastes better... maybe I'll add some mint oil to it ...

 

[Gwenllian]

...I brush my teeth with a mixture of sodium bicarbonate, salt and xylitol. Works really well.

I've been using a combination of salt and bicarbonate of soda for about a year now, and can testify to its effectiveness. From Laura's post I've now added some Xylitol to the mix as well to get the reported extra benefit of dealing with cavities.

What about clay, salt and some essential oils?
Anybody any experience?

 

[Danse la vie]

What about clay, salt and some essential oils?
Anybody any experience?

Yes, with green clay (Montmorillonite) : I simply put clay containing water in my mouth and brush with a soft brush. But although I use the "surfine" drinkable clay I take care to use only the "mud", so no "grain of sand" comes into my mouth.
After brushing and rinsing I put clay-water in my mouth again for five minutes, with has the effect of the clay drawing any little chunk that might be left between the teeth.

The toothpaste, even from the organic shop, attacked my teeth and flesh, that's why I changed about 3 years ago. The toothaches disappeared.
But back then I added 3 drops sunflower oil in the clay water, otherwise my teeth still got very sensitive each time I drank the vitamin C. Since I changed to the fat diet though (as soon as it came out on the forum), my teeth also have changed and I no longer need to add oil.

I'll look for Xylitol, thank you Laura and Sebbe for this information.

Danse la vie

 

[manitoban]

I would like to report a significant change that I've noticed since following the dietary recommendations. I've always had a tendency to feel cold really quickly, I'm the type that as soon as the weather gets cooler, I had to start wearing layers of clothes to stay warm. I always seemed to get cold when other people around me didn't even notice it. Sometimes I'd get so cold, it would take ages to warm up again.

But now there's been a big change, I feel warmer! Sounds weird, but it's like my regular body temperature is warmer than it used to be, and I simply don't get chilled like I used to. Quite a nice side benefit of the diet!!

 

[Laura]

But back then I added 3 drops sunflower oil in the clay water, otherwise my teeth still got very sensitive each time I drank the vitamin C. Since I changed to the fat diet though (as soon as it came out on the forum), my teeth also have changed and I no longer need to add oil.

Hmmm... now that you mention this, I am reminded of how sensitive my teeth used to be but now are way less sensitive. Heck, mine were so touchy, I had to rinse my mouth with warm water or it was painful. Nothing cold or hot could be allowed in my mouth. But now I can rinse my mouth with the regular cold water from the tap without feeling like I'm going to pass out!