"Life Without Bread"

[Gawan]

Update:

In a really short time my teeth tend to build up calculus. I was at the dentist about a month ago to remove it and check the overall health of my teeth, but after three weeks calculus is coming back. Well, I improved my cleaning technique after the visit and brushed every morning and before going to bed my teeth nonetheless dental calculus is showing up.

So know I suspect the diet for it, cause some years back it was never that bad.

One topic I found about it:

One more obervation: no tooth decay. Previously I had 1-3 fillings a year, now zero and no trace of tooth decay. BTW, I had stopped using toothpaste as well and have only been using thoothbrush and floss.

On the other hand, there was more calculus, so the dentist still made the money. Based on what I have read, more ammonia from dietary protein leads to more basic saliva which protects against dental caries, but facilitates mineral deposits. This has been reported by many Atkins followers. I suppose, cutting back on protein a bit should help me acheive the right balance between decay and calculus. Otherwise I will need to start chewing on raw bones to control calculus :)

_http://paleoclinic.blogspot.com/2010/08/no-turning-back.html

Well, I'm still about 60 gr. of proteins, sometimes more when I'm kind of starving or graving food, so I eat more. Especially in the evening I eat also some veggies to fill my stomach. And to the dental calculus, Weston A. Price doesn't mention a thing about it.

The other thing what didn't really improve is the dizziness in the morning, it gets a litte better when I drink something with salt, but I found out another thing, when I have an appointment and cycle to it (that means making sport), I'm feeling better, so maybe I should make some sport in the morning and see if it helps. Especially in the morning it is the most difficult time and in the evening I tend to get clear headed, when I sometimes feel as am I in a fog the rest of the day. So taking out nut-snacks, when I'm hungry is another option and going for more proteins. And it also look like that butter is not something for my body, I integrated it in the morning after several weeks and feeling a little bit worse than in the other days. It is almost every time the same symptoms when my body doesn't like something: kind of burning eyes and heaviness. So I continue to produce ghee and eat only butter, when there is no other way, for example when dining out.

And when someone is nauseated cause of overeating fat, what helps is taking a digestive enzyme (ox-bile), at least that did it for me at some points.

 

[Laura]

I've got the calculus problem too. I brush my teeth with a mixture of sodium bicarbonate, salt and xylitol. Works really well.

I've found nuts to be just too inflammatory or something. Psyche found an article about it here:

http://chriskresser.com/another-reason-you-shouldnt-go-nuts-on-nuts

I also get a little light headed now and then but it passes quickly if I drink plenty of water. I also salt my food very well.

I'm not counting my proteins - I just eat when I'm hungry, try to get plenty of fat along with it, and that's that. We had stewed lamb yesterday and I added a tablespoon of butter to the broth to make it a little fattier which I think may have been too much based on my morning experience...

I've had a bit of salad now and then and that seems to be okay even if it does make my stomach feel a little "full" which I never feel with just meat and fat. With meat and fat, I just feel "satisfied" rather quickly and not bloated.

I've started losing weight again after being on a plateau for months.

Overall, I feel much better, energy more stable and measured, and it is interesting to observe real changes occurring in my physiology.

 

[Kaigen]

I've started losing weight again after being on a plateau for months.

Overall, I feel much better, energy more stable and measured, and it is interesting to observe real changes occurring in my physiology.

Great to hear that Laura, and thanks for the Link!

 

[Gwenllian]

If the butcher is trimming the fat, what does he do with all the fat he trims from all the customers? Do they sell leg bones too? I find myself (although having never eaten it) craving bone marrow right now.
I know that the brain contains the most fat of any organ.....but I'm no where near brave enough to try eating something like that yet :/
Having said that though....I heard as a kid people use to make fish head soup. I'm pretty sure you'd be able to find pig/sheep head in France quite easily too.

True, I was in the south of France some time ago and did some shopping with an African friend of mine who bought the fish head in the market and made some soup with it! I even ate the eyes, apparently the most nutritious part? The man in the stall explained to us that they sold the fish heads as there were many Africans living in France, still making fish head soup.
Since Muslims still slaughter their own meat I am sure you can still find sheep heads?

 

[Lilou]

Since Muslims still slaughter their own meat I am sure you can still find sheep heads?

Yes, sheep head can be found and I was told it is the "best part". I,however, did not develop a taste for it. Brain sandwiches are also easily found in the Middle East.

 

[Gertrudes]

In a really short time my teeth tend to build up calculus.
(snip)
So know I suspect the diet for it, cause some years back it was never that bad.

One topic I found about it:

Thanks for that Gawan, I was also suspecting that my calculus was from the diet. I don't remember having it before and I have been noticing it since I went Paleo. Before the information about protein consumption versus body weight was posted and I was eating a lot of protein, calculus was at its worse.

I brush my teeth with a mixture of sodium bicarbonate, salt and xylitol. Works really well.

Is that all you add Laura, or do you add anything else to create a paste? I'm going to try it but I don't think I'll add xylitol as my body doesn't react well to it.

I've found nuts to be just too inflammatory or something. Psyche found an article about it here:

http://chriskresser.com/another-reason-you-shouldnt-go-nuts-on-nuts

I've been soaking nuts in boiling water with sea salt so that they are, in a way, cooked, and then leave them overnight. From the same article:

Modern evidence also suggests that at least some of the phytate can be broken down by soaking and roasting. The majority of this data indicates that soaking nuts for eighteen hours, dehydrating at very low temperatures (either in a food dehydrator or a low temperature oven), and then roasting or cooking the nuts would likely eliminate a large portion of the phytic acid.

Elanne and I have been preparing nuts like this for a few years, and I personally notice a huge difference in how I digest them. I used to have a heavy sensation in my stomach after eating nuts, but I don’t get that at all when I eat them after they’ve been prepared this way.

I've felt exactly like the author when eating unsoaked nuts. When I started soaking I noticed a big difference in the way I digested them.
I have also been dehydrating them in my oven, and although they do taste delicious in the end, it takes a lot of time, which means, a lot of energy consumption, so I've been looking for dehydrator prices. Because I can't afford one right now (they can be very expensive!), I'm considering not dehydrating them. I've been looking on the net for any specific need to dehydrate nuts after soaking, that is apart from longer preservation, but so far found nothing. So I'm not sure of whether dehydration is also used to eliminate phytic acid and other toxic substances, or simply for longer conservation. If it is the latter, one can just soak a small batch of nuts once in a while and keep them in the fridge.

Also, from another site:

Reducing phytic acid in nuts and seeds is tricky. Soaking nuts is recommended by Sally Fallon in Nourishing Traditions. The problem is that a nut has a small surface area. Soaking a ground food is more effective than soaking a whole nut or kernel. It would be better to grind the nut at least slightly before soaking it. I realize that you then have nuts pieces which are not always near as interesting as the whole nut. Nonetheless, this is a morsel of advice I offer in the Phytic Acid White Paper which you can purchase here.

Still, my guess is that nuts are not for everyone. They seem to contain so many toxins that even after an almost total removal they will likely trigger an inflammatory reaction in certain individuals.
Another thing that I've been noticing, is how they seem to create in me a similar reaction to eating a high carbohydrate snack. I eat one, then I want another, then another, and another.... So it is making me wonder.


I have been having much smaller meal portions and my gut and digestive system are really thanking me for that. It made, in fact, a huge difference.
Also, when eating fatty meat I can't add extra fat, otherwise I won't digest it and will end up with very bad nausea. So I eat fatty meat and in between meals I eat little chunks of hard, cold fat. It can't be liquid, otherwise I seem unable digest it. This issue of liquid warm fat versus cold hard fat is still puzzling me.

 

[Gertrudes]

Since Muslims still slaughter their own meat I am sure you can still find sheep heads?

Yes, sheep head can be found and I was told it is the "best part". I,however, did not develop a taste for it. Brain sandwiches are also easily found in the Middle East.

We used to have brain when I was a child and I loved it. Although I can well understand how if you've never eaten it, it will probably be hard to do so when you're an adult.
However, animal heads are incredibly cheap and they have a lot of nice fat. We bought half a pigs head the other day for almost nothing, and we had nice fatty (delicious) food for days.

 

[Meager1]

Just wanted to mention that I`m still feeling great, all the minor aches and pains from the past are gone and both thinking and focus seem to be much improved as well.
I discovered that on the days I forget to take kelp I have less energy, so I still need the iodine apparently.

I tried adding some home made whipped cream with fresh blueberries as a treat, but noticed this caused heart palpitations so I have given up even trying anything dairy, except for butter.

 

[Nienna]

Well, I'm still about 60 gr. of proteins, sometimes more when I'm kind of starving or graving food, so I eat more. Especially in the evening I eat also some veggies to fill my stomach. And to the dental calculus, Weston A. Price doesn't mention a thing about it.

Is there some way that instead of eating protein when you are starving to instead eat fat. The fat is what really satiates me. The more fat I eat, the less protein I want.

fwiw

 

[un chien anadolu]

I've got the calculus problem too. I brush my teeth with a mixture of sodium bicarbonate, salt and xylitol. Works really well.

I'm not counting my proteins - I just eat when I'm hungry, try to get plenty of fat along with it, and that's that. We had stewed lamb yesterday and I added a tablespoon of butter to the broth to make it a little fattier which I think may have been too much based on my morning experience...

Is butter in the allowed fats list ? I am asking because here, in Turkey duck fat and lard are almost impossible to find. Lately i found out that a traditional fat , which I used to know when i was a child, is actually ghee, i can't find it in Istanbul but i will order it from Southeast Anatolia . But until then all I have is butter , grapeseed oil, and olive oil.

 

[RedFox]

Is butter in the allowed fats list ? I am asking because here, in Turkey duck fat and lard are almost impossible to find. Lately i found out that a traditional fat , which I used to know when i was a child, is actually ghee, i can't find it in Istanbul but i will order it from Southeast Anatolia . But until then all I have is butter , grapeseed oil, and olive oil.

Butter is allowed - If you tolerate it. You can also make ghee easily from butter (search youtube for examples).
Personally I've been getting extra fatty pork/bacon and draining the fat off after cooking, so I have a good supply of pork/bacon fat (its Way better than shop bought lard, soft and delicious!)

Well, I'm still about 60 gr. of proteins, sometimes more when I'm kind of starving or graving food, so I eat more. Especially in the evening I eat also some veggies to fill my stomach. And to the dental calculus, Weston A. Price doesn't mention a thing about it.

Is there some way that instead of eating protein when you are starving to instead eat fat. The fat is what really satiates me. The more fat I eat, the less protein I want.

fwiw

I tend to agree with this, the excess protein will be being turned into carbs so may keep you out of ketosis. I've found that having 3 small buckwheat pancakes with fat on (10g of flour = 6g of carbs each) a day with each meal seems to reduce my need to eat lots of protein a lot. I can also eat more fat.
I'm also very skinny and have been going through similar problems to you Gawan.

 

[un chien anadolu]

Is butter in the allowed fats list ? I am asking because here, in Turkey duck fat and lard are almost impossible to find. Lately i found out that a traditional fat , which I used to know when i was a child, is actually ghee, i can't find it in Istanbul but i will order it from Southeast Anatolia . But until then all I have is butter , grapeseed oil, and olive oil.

Butter is allowed - If you tolerate it. You can also make ghee easily from butter (search youtube for examples).
Personally I've been getting extra fatty pork/bacon and draining the fat off after cooking, so I have a good supply of pork/bacon fat (its Way better than shop bought lard, soft and delicious!)

Thank you RedFox, i think i tolerate it. I also found out that there are some pig farms near my city , i am going to try to find them.

 

[seek10]

Is butter in the allowed fats list ? I am asking because here, in Turkey duck fat and lard are almost impossible to find. Lately i found out that a traditional fat , which I used to know when i was a child, is actually ghee, i can't find it in Istanbul but i will order it from Southeast Anatolia . But until then all I have is butter , grapeseed oil, and olive oil.

Butter is allowed - If you tolerate it. You can also make ghee easily from butter (search youtube for examples).
Personally I've been getting extra fatty pork/bacon and draining the fat off after cooking, so I have a good supply of pork/bacon fat (its Way better than shop bought lard, soft and delicious!)

Recently I purchased some butter which clearly mentioned that it is from cream . No mention of Milk in it on the description.but when I got the item, packaging says it contains milk. Not sure how to read the label that says 'It contains milk'. Are they trying to say cream is made of Milk or they added more milk to it. Any way, I tried a piece. It didn't go well with me, felt depressed and legs ached and other bad symptoms. But, I didn't find this problem with Ghee though.

Well, I'm still about 60 gr. of proteins, sometimes more when I'm kind of starving or graving food, so I eat more. Especially in the evening I eat also some veggies to fill my stomach. And to the dental calculus, Weston A. Price doesn't mention a thing about it.

Is there some way that instead of eating protein when you are starving to instead eat fat. The fat is what really satiates me. The more fat I eat, the less protein I want.

fwiw

I tend to agree with this, the excess protein will be being turned into carbs so may keep you out of ketosis. I've found that having 3 small buckwheat pancakes with fat on (10g of flour = 6g of carbs each) a day with each meal seems to reduce my need to eat lots of protein a lot. I can also eat more fat.
I'm also very skinny and have been going through similar problems to you Gawan.

Now a days, adrenal fatigue took over me and doesn't feel like making any thing. so I end up baking some chicken or beef patties in good amount of duck fat ( I guess ducks are raised on grain too). I continue to find my self skinny , and now skin dry came back , though I seems to feel satiated with fat . The biggest problem I face, I feel like eating, but I don't have any thing snack about , so I eat soaked and toasted the macademia, that too not going very well, still I end up munching as I don't have others to eat. So tired of everyday life.

 

[brainwave]

Hey Seek 10,

for a snack I keep strips of bacon and butter in a cooler at my desk at work. When I feel like munching I just eat a piece with a smear of butter. That works wonders.

 

[pete02]

Hey Seek 10,

for a snack I keep strips of bacon and butter in a cooler at my desk at work. When I feel like munching I just eat a piece with a smear of butter. That works wonders.

You know.. I've been doing that myself. I found that just having a couple of strips of bacon the other night held me over until the morning and the stuff is so yummy! :P