"Life Without Bread"

[Peam]

Frozen, salted lard makes a great snack or addition to food to get the extra fat in. It's a yummy Ukrainian tradition - sliced lard on a piece of bread. I find it delicious and filling without the toxic bread. Anyone else like a good, cold, salted piece of lard? Americans find it preposterous and for some reason disgusting but I grew up with it and these days especially enjoy it. It's not just for cooking!

Not frozen lard, but I remember as a lad we used to spread the soft solidified fat and brown sediment from the roast meat pan on bread with salt on. It was very nice.

Funny, I'd forgotten all about that. Thanks for reminding me SAO.

 

[dantem]

Thank you Laura.
I took from amazon with Kindle for Pc. Only 13 dollars!
The format is restrictive but it will do the trick.

Hi sebbe,

amazon asked me to register my own Kindle, something I don't have :) ... is there a way to order it for PC only?

You need to register yourself (and or the computer you are using) and don't need a Kindle and then you can read a book with the free kindle software on your comp.

Thanks Gawan, I hadn't run the kindle installation yet!

 

[sebbe]

Thank you Laura.
I took from amazon with Kindle for Pc. Only 13 dollars!
The format is restrictive but it will do the trick.

Hi sebbe,

amazon asked me to register my own Kindle, something I don't have :) ... is there a way to order it for PC only?

You need to register yourself (and or the computer you are using) and don't need a Kindle and then you can read a book with the free kindle software on your comp.

Thanks Gawan, I hadn't run the kindle installation yet!

Hello Dantem.
I've just downloaded "kindle for pc" , a program who allows read a book on your computer.

I 've nearly finished PBPM, and it is just a essential reading, i think.

To my surprise, it is very accessible.

 

[Gwenllian]

I am just wondering whether I will be able to find the right pork here in The Netherlands. We have our pig hotels (these large pig factories) over here and little space.

Hi Mariama,

Take a look at this site and see if you can find one close-by: _http://www.ekoplaza.nl/
You can get pork chops (riblap) there (and ghee too, by the way). But be aware of nitrates in some products and other ingredients, always read the label. Best would be to search for an organic butcher (biologische slagerij) in your neighborhood. That shouldn't be hard to find, I think. Fortunately, the pork products here in the Netherlands contain a very nice fatty layer, so that won't be a problem! Usually you can also order lard (reuzel) from the butcher, too.

Grass-fed meat, unfortunately, is expensive. I ordered once from here: _http://www.puregrazefoods.nl/welkom.html
They don't sell pork yet, but they're working on it.

If you find any nice places yourself, lemme know! Good luck. If you still can't find any sources nearby, tell me, and perhaps I can help with the searching.

Thanks Oxajil! :)
That is great. I will have a look.
Brilliant, Dutch pork meat is still fat. ;) Not what I had expected.

We do not have an organic butcher in the area, but our organic shop sells frozen organic meat.
http://www.arkemavlees.nl/

The owner is a lovely young lady and keen to help. I live in a small village, where there is still the typical village mentality.
I asked her whether the pigs were grain-fed and she immediately rang some organic farmers to find out. Apparently they do feed some (extra) grains (bijvoeren).
She is also looking into buying direct from farmers, which will be cheaper of course, cutting out the middleman (groothandel). Which is great. She knows we are good customers. And buy in bulk if possible.

I will keep you posted.

 

[Oxajil]

That's really good to hear Mariama, thanks for sharing! :D

 

[hesperides]

I also get issues here in the Canarian Islands to find any organic fatty meat at all and forget about inorganic fatty meat as well. It´s really disappointing. If that were not enough, one of the most popular Canarian dish called "gofio" which is corn mixed with water, is now also being imported from South America by the local corn grains sellers, when few years ago corn agriculture was one of the most important autochtonous sowing and cattle is now given a blend of fodder grains (also imported from South America) together with said imported corn. I really don´t rely on it as I never know if Monsanto´s GMO policy is to be found under these grains too. Last week I read that actually Spain appear to be the sole European country who doesn´t banish GMO stuff and its appalling how nobody cares/knows about it around here; I only found one dietitian shop owner that was aware of the situation but, as she said, sanitary inspections are so strict that people interested in raising organic cuttle (some intents were and are made) never could attained this goal successfully. For example, the autochtonous pig whose origin in the islands is said to be around 2500 years ago, is called black pig and looks pretty like the "porc noir du Bigorre", very, very fatty. It is now raised with the help of national funds as it was in extinction. But once again, as I could read in all the sites belonging to these cooperatives in charge, they are also fed with fodder & corn grains only. So finding organic or half organic lard or fatty meat looks like a great challenge at this moment. Another relevant point with organic meat here is the lack of open flat land and rain plus the fact most water supply used on the islands comes from seawater treatment plants! – almost nobody here can drink tap water nor use it for cooking, of course, so that we are left with vans delivering plastic containers of 5 liters while most cattle is given tap water, unsuitable for human consumption. Some ground water may be found on the mountains but the are very abrupt and therefore not ideal for large cattle raising either.

I also contacted some Spanish (mainland) organic exporters and was told they didn´t sell to the islands because of the distance (about 2000 km) to Canarian Islands since shipping cost would be too expensive. I also believe that if they would, there still would be the issue with the local sanitary offices which use acting in a rather undiscriminated way in my experience when it comes to supplements, food or tobacco import, included from mainland Spain!

So in the middle of this brainstorming situation and ongoing investigation in the hope of finding a farmer that would be raising and selling to me black porc or current porc as a favour, what I´m left with to eat is mostly fish and local goats, plenty of omega-3 oils/butter/coconut oil and duck fat sold in cans. It contains E-250 additive and hope it´s used as thickener of the thin gelatin layer at the bottom of the can, which I take back. As duck is much appreciated in France, maybe some of you could tell me if I´m right!

It seems there is no Canarian people in this forum as far as I could read so as to give me some feedback on fatty meat supply but in case there are, it would be great to know how you manage this situation. I always loved fatty meat!

 

[Laura]

No pigs on the island?

 

[3DStudent]

I take that much too just in case my gut needs some repair. I think it's a pretty standard dose because the scooper in my powder is 5g. Glad to see you are moving along well!

Thanks for sharing that you also take that much. Are you taking it once a day or three times a day?
Before that "accident" I was taking the capsules which were 500mg each. So, I was getting between 1500 and 3000mg a day, mostly 3000 as I would take two at a time. When I started using the powder I was using a third of the scoop 3 times a day. Now I'll just use the whole thing first thing in the morning as that seems to work best for me.

Sorry for a late reply. But I take all the 5 grams at once in the evening. Anyone notice that this message was from brainwave quoting me, yet it shows me as posting it? And then it says edited by brainwave.

In reference to what we eat, ya'll might want to take a look at this short thread, especially the last page of posts:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,10663.0.html

Well I think this week is my last one of green beans. I'm wondering if you get any plant DNA from eating coconut and olive oils? And I've been taking plant supplements like spirulina, kelp powder, and milk thistle which are plants too. Would it be best to eliminate them? Tea is also on The List, but that's a plant as well, and I've considered trying Yerba Mate. And I've ordered some 72% lean ground pork.

 

[forge]

[..]I'm wondering if you get any plant DNA from eating coconut and olive oils? And I've been taking plant supplements like spirulina, kelp powder, and milk thistle which are plants too. Would it be best to eliminate them? Tea is also on The List, but that's a plant as well, and I've considered trying Yerba Mate. And I've ordered some 72% lean ground pork.

I got a spooky premonition yesterday that only fat and meat will count. Plus what hunters were able to dig out of the earth: small, thick, hardened roots. In case of cometary bombardment (firestorms, flooding), hardened roots buried in the earth may have better chance. Good planning of those following the Preparedness-thread may prove invaluable as winter advances.

 

[Nienna]

No pigs on the island?

There are, but they are fed grains and corn, possibly GMO crapola.

For example, the autochtonous pig whose origin in the islands is said to be around 2500 years ago, is called black pig and looks pretty like the "porc noir du Bigorre", very, very fatty. It is now raised with the help of national funds as it was in extinction. But once again, as I could read in all the sites belonging to these cooperatives in charge, they are also fed with fodder & corn grains only.

 

[Regulattor]

Just some update from me.

Although I'm generally feeling ok, there is some issues that I still can't solve. My main problem is still weight gaining and despite all the fat and meats I'm consuming I have recently lost 1 - 1,5 kg of my 61kg. (39y, 175cm, male)

One thing that I've noticed in last few weeks is that I've increased intolerance for fiber containing food, especially veggies. I've tested Green beans and after few hours developed crampings in my lower abdomen and strong stimulus for bowel movement. When I'm consuming only sweet potato with bacon on gee, lard or duck fat I usually get constipated and have no bowel movements for the next 2-3 days, which are hard and require effort for excertion of stool, which then sinks. But if I'm consuming a little bit of fibrous food, transit time is much shorter and then I'm experiencing weird sensations in my stomach, which can last for days, like occasional loud peristaltic, feeling of strong heart pounding in my stomach/abdomen, cramping in my lower abdomen and strong and lasting stimulus for stool excertion, sometimes painful, accompanied with floating, poorly developed stools. So it seems that I'm unable to restore balanced digestion and I'm constantly hitting the wall or biting my own tail.

I've been taking L glutamine supplementation for the last 2 years (with pauses) without any side efects and now it seems that even small doses are provoking stomach cramping and something closer to diarrhea then normal stool.

My caloric consumption is around or slightly more then 2000 kcal/day, for instance my breakfast is 120g-140g of bacon on 60-80g of lard, ghee, duck or geese fat or mixed. Which gives around 1300-1500 kcal in a single meal! And usually I eat at least 500kcal or more during rest of the day. I'm often wondering myself where all this food is going? Problem is that I'm not feeling hungry for the much of the day after breakfast and sometimes I do skip meals. Often I have to force my self to eat later during the day.

Recently I've added bovine colostrum as supplementation, along with MSM and from last Spring regularly omega 3 (3-4 capsules/day), Sylimarin, Turmeric. I even try cutting some supplements out and then later introducing them again but without significant changes. Except with increasing omega 3 in which case I get more irritation in my guts.

Currently I'm little bit depressed. My family is concerned about my fat consumption as primary food source and so skinny as I am now I surely don't look healthy to disprove their views about my diet.

There is one thing thou. Few weeks ago I have left without digestive enzymes (ox bile, and hydrochloric acid) and from then it seems like my overall state have deteriorated. I have ordered new batch and waiting to see if there would be some improvements.

 

[Mountain Crown]

Hi Regulattor,

A few questions you may wish to consider:

Do you make and daily consume bone broth?
Are you detoxing your liver?
Are you eating enough sea salt?
Have you read Gut Sense and/or Fiber Menace ? – They’re available online free.

 

[Regulattor]

Hi Regulattor,

A few questions you may wish to consider:

Do you make and daily consume bone broth?
Are you detoxing your liver?
Are you eating enough sea salt?
Have you read Gut Sense and/or Fiber Menace ? – They’re available online free.

1. Yes I did. Unfortunately all of my broths so far were made wit some veggies, because my wife have done it for me and she thinks that this is the best way to make bone broth. I will however, as soon as possible, make my own without any added vegetables.

2. This Summer I've have supplemented my diet with Sylimarin, Turmeric, Molybdenum, vit. C and plenty of Sunshine for vit. D. Sylimarin is still on my daily schedule .

3. As per salt I didn't measure my intake. It could still be too low.

4. I'm currently reading Primal Body - Primal Mind as soon as I'm finished I'll start reading Gut Sense.

 

[hesperides]

No pigs on the island?

There are, but they are fed grains and corn, possibly GMO crapola.

For example, the autochtonous pig whose origin in the islands is said to be around 2500 years ago, is called black pig and looks pretty like the "porc noir du Bigorre", very, very fatty. It is now raised with the help of national funds as it was in extinction. But once again, as I could read in all the sites belonging to these cooperatives in charge, they are also fed with fodder & corn grains only.

Yes, that´s what I was trying to convey. I also forgot to mention all cattle use to be raised in closed farms, except for s few pigs, goats and lambs which you´ll find in narrow enclosures, with few or mostly no grass around them. When summer is over, I´ll drive to the north area up in the mountain which is a little bit more rainy then the rest of the island and maybe I´ll find some pig raiser or else; any kind of animal breathing fresh air, with natural water supply and having at least some agricultural feeding stuff mixed with their grains is now welcome to me.

 

[Laura]

Just some update from me.

Although I'm generally feeling ok, there is some issues that I still can't solve. My main problem is still weight gaining and despite all the fat and meats I'm consuming I have recently lost 1 - 1,5 kg of my 61kg. (39y, 175cm, male)

Same for Ark. I understand that there is a way to build up and that is to work out. But you might need to read up on that. I don't have the problem!

I do give Ark two or three buckwheat crackers per day with a thick load of butter on them. Sometimes, he gets a nut butter mixed with butter and a bit of xylitol.

One thing that I've noticed in last few weeks is that I've increased intolerance for fiber containing food, especially veggies. I've tested Green beans and after few hours developed crampings in my lower abdomen and strong stimulus for bowel movement. When I'm consuming only sweet potato with bacon on gee, lard or duck fat I usually get constipated and have no bowel movements for the next 2-3 days, which are hard and require effort for excertion of stool, which then sinks. But if I'm consuming a little bit of fibrous food, transit time is much shorter and then I'm experiencing weird sensations in my stomach, which can last for days, like occasional loud peristaltic, feeling of strong heart pounding in my stomach/abdomen, cramping in my lower abdomen and strong and lasting stimulus for stool excertion, sometimes painful, accompanied with floating, poorly developed stools. So it seems that I'm unable to restore balanced digestion and I'm constantly hitting the wall or biting my own tail.

I don't think that it's an inability to restore balanced digestion. Several of us are the same and it seems to be that we are simply designed to eat meat and have very low tolerance for fiber. Also, it takes a different kind of bacteria to digest veggies - they have to ferment - than meat. Nowadays, veggies actually make me constipated.

Try a bit of buckwheat crackers with butter and/or nut butters - but be sparing at first.

I've been taking L glutamine supplementation for the last 2 years (with pauses) without any side efects and now it seems that even small doses are provoking stomach cramping and something closer to diarrhea then normal stool.

Then stop it.

My caloric consumption is around or slightly more then 2000 kcal/day, for instance my breakfast is 120g-140g of bacon on 60-80g of lard, ghee, duck or geese fat or mixed. Which gives around 1300-1500 kcal in a single meal! And usually I eat at least 500kcal or more during rest of the day. I'm often wondering myself where all this food is going? Problem is that I'm not feeling hungry for the much of the day after breakfast and sometimes I do skip meals. Often I have to force my self to eat later during the day.

Same here. But maybe this is normal for some people?

Recently I've added bovine colostrum as supplementation, along with MSM and from last Spring regularly omega 3 (3-4 capsules/day), Sylimarin, Turmeric. I even try cutting some supplements out and then later introducing them again but without significant changes. Except with increasing omega 3 in which case I get more irritation in my guts.

Maybe the colostrum is bothering you? It can be unpleasant for some people, I've heard. Really tears them up. So stop that for a bit and see what happens. Don't know that you need MSM ... you can get sulphur by just rubbing some DMSO cream on yourself a few times a week as needed.

Do you take your omega 3 after a meal?

Currently I'm little bit depressed. My family is concerned about my fat consumption as primary food source and so skinny as I am now I surely don't look healthy to disprove their views about my diet.

If you are depressed, there could be something you are taking that is contributing to that. Turmeric, perhaps?

There is one thing thou. Few weeks ago I have left without digestive enzymes (ox bile, and hydrochloric acid) and from then it seems like my overall state have deteriorated. I have ordered new batch and waiting to see if there would be some improvements.

Well, here at the last you finally say something that MIGHT be a big part of the real problem. However, I don't take many digestive enzymes anymore... now and then when I need them, but my system seems to work fine on mainly meat. If I eat veggies, which I do from time to time because I like them, I seem to pay a price for it.