seek10 said:
I tried butter a couple of weeks back and as much as I enjoyed it, I found my body doesn't like it. I would turn into a sneezing madman! :) I'd be completely contested all day. Oh well.
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I tried butter a couple of weeks back and as much as I enjoyed it, I found my body doesn't like it. I would turn into a sneezing madman! :) I'd be completely contested all day. Oh well.
seek10 said:
First, I agree with the munching-on-bacon recommendation. That's what I do too. In my house we cook the bacon in a pan in the oven, and we always make more than what we eat, so that we can take it later to work with us. Also, after a while the bacon fat solidifies in the pan, and we add it on our bacon strips. Sometimes, I just have a spoonful of the fat alone, and I feel recharged :) I don't think it's hard to have some bacon with you. Just make a bit more in the morning, and there you have it, all day long.
Also, I want to ask whether you are taking any fish oils with your meals. I take 6 pills a day, and if I stop for a while, I find that my skin gets dryer too. Maybe you need more than 6 pills? Try it with different doses and see how it goes.
Duck fat is good, and so is ghee, and you can apply them both on everything you eat every day so you can get the amount of fat your body requires. Also, you shouldn't feel hungry on this diet. Don't go about measuring your protein intake, and eat as much meat as you need to make you feel full. Each person is different, and if you are a skinny, you need to eat more protein then, till you feel full. And keep pipe breathing... ;)
Gertrudes said:
I think it is for preservation mostly. Once I didn't dry out my soaked nuts enough and they got some mold on them. I had them out of the fridge for a few days though.
I'm surprised that some people don't measure their protein. I have been really exact about it. I use a calculator and find out how much meat I need to put in each meal. I thought it was an important point in PBPM that 25 grams is the limit for the cell repair effects of mTOR.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
3D Student said:
I don't measure my protein either - too complicated and I don't have time. Ultimately, these diet changes have made my life much easier and my health much better so the idea of having to measure protein at every meal is just not something I think I'll incorporate - but that's just my experience. If it's working for you, keep it up. If you want to put on weight, though, it might be wise to increase protein a bit - fwiw.
Just an addendum - the salted/frozen lard I mentioned earlier isn't raw, it is sold frozen but they cooked it by boiling it first. It's sold this way in Russian stores/delis. It just occured to
me that some of us may be buying raw lard so just wanted to clarify that.
me that some of us may be buying raw lard so just wanted to clarify that.
RyanX
The Living Force
anart said:
I just wanted to say something to this effect as well. Switching over to this new diet has simplified my life enormously. Instead of spending a half-hour to an hour in the kitchen for prep time on meals, it's literally down to nothing. For dinner, I warm up my grill pan, throw on the meat which is usually either pork chops, steak, brats, bacon-wrapped hamburgers, brats, or some combination of these, cook, flip, cook and eat. Occasionally, I'll fry up a small side of green beans in ghee or bacon fat as well. Breakfast is sausage and bacon, usually with an egg or two fried in bacon fat. For lunch I'll usually eat leftovers from breakfast or cut a few slices of summer sausage if I feel like it.
I've recently decided to take on some home improvement projects that I've been sorely neglecting for the last couple years. I had to kind of leave off where I stopped after my divorce got underway when all funding for home projects dried up. Back at that time I was making 2 loaves of bread every week along with whatever carbohydrate-filled meals I was eating at the time. Even with my ex-wife around to help out, I was still spending an inordinate amount of time in the kitchen on preparing meals and really felt the pinch for time on the days when I tried to do house work. The situation now is totally different. I can work almost up until meal time, throw something on the grill, eat and get back to work. I really don't think I'd be able to efficiently work on any projects had I not made this diet change. Not to mention I feel like I have more physical stamina when working on these projects as well - that always helps.
I just wanted to mention this as another side-benefit to switching to a low-carb diet in case anybody needed another reason to switch over. ;)
I totally agree Ryan, it's areal time saver. Not only meal prep, but also grocery shopping. If it was just me alone, I'd probably go to the store maybe once a month (or less even).
It seems that not only is this diet increasing overall health and freeing up time for more important tasks, it significantly reduces the "things" I need. If and when things go south, we'll already be prepared and used to NOT needing a bunch of stuff from the store. Others will be looking for their carb fix.
It seems that not only is this diet increasing overall health and freeing up time for more important tasks, it significantly reduces the "things" I need. If and when things go south, we'll already be prepared and used to NOT needing a bunch of stuff from the store. Others will be looking for their carb fix.
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RyanX said:
Something similar here. I did measure my protein (and carbs) initially and that helped to get an idea of how a certain amount of protein and carbs actually looked like on my plate, and now I can sort of tell.
RyanX said:
I am adding another "agreed" here. With pretty tight and busy schedule it's been really easy to just throw a sausage and eggs on a pan in the morning and get prepared while it cooks. And then sometimes have salo (salted lard) snacks in the middle of the day and another good meal with either pork or liver, or fish and a bit of green beans in the evening. It's all easy and quick. :)
As for measuring protein, I also stopped doing it and just make sure that the ratio of fat is higher than protein. Maybe my meals (especially breakfast) have more than 25 grams of protein (one or two fatty pork sausages and two eggs), but I can't really make my meals more frequent, and it's really important for me to eat enough in the morning so it would keep me going throughout a day. Especially since I am still a bit low on energy, particularly in the muscles when climbing stairs (also maybe because of the lingering cold and adaptation) and also because of not sleeping well. But luckily have no choice but to push through it. Should sort itself out eventually.
Gertrudes said:
No, I just wet my toothbrush and dip it in the jar to load the mixture.
Since you aren't usually swallowing things that you use to brush your teeth, I don't think the xylitol will upset your system. It is VERY anti-cavity and there are special xylitol toothpastes made because of that. It is also known to be deadly to candida which is one of the reasons I persisted in getting my body used to it by using only small amounts, like half- a teaspoon in a cup of tea. I'm still not able to tolerate much of it... if a dessert is made with it, I must limit the amount I eat or I'll have some serious bubbling going on in my gut with "results" shortly!
Gertrudes said:
I can have a few once in awhile, but in general, not a few every day because it builds up inflammation. I really didn't like this fact, but there it is. It's just not worth it to experience the backaches and foggy head and dizziness that comes with eating nuts!
Gertrudes said:
Which is probably a good reason to mostly avoid them for about everybody. As we've noted, some people are like the canary in the mind, with instant reactions, others have ongoing, slow damage taking place with no overt symptoms.
We were talking about that the other day and how the diet seems to bring out whatever is going on in the body and some people mistakenly blame the diet for that! But it seems obvious that if gluten and casein bind with the opiate receptors, just simply removing them can allow all kinds of symptoms to appear because you are no longer drugging your body. There may be other factors in gluten and casein that suppress symptoms while the gluten and casein do their damage silently... that's a scary thought.
Gertrudes said:
Same here. But I do try to eat at least as much, if not more, fat in ratio to the protein as I can.
Gertrudes said:
Yes, the fat nausea comes up for me now and again. When it does, I just pop an enzyme or two and that usually fixes me up. Really makes me realize how far off my system is from being able to consume and digest the things that it evolved on. Fortunately, the younger folks won't have the same problems some of us older people have, or the people whose genetics have been damaged by what their parents ate, resulting in some sort of auto-immune thing.
In the end, what works best for most of us here is just simply pork in its many varieties. Bacon is the favorite, of course, but we still eat the ground pork patties, lots of pork chops and ribs.
Hi everyone,
I'd like to share my experiences so far with the low-carb diet. Last time I posted I shared about me doing great on this diet for a week or so and then suddenly getting a hunger sensation that just would not go away. You advised me to not go low-carb until I've healed my gut, but after a great deal of thinking I chose to continue and to observe what happens, of course if things would have gotten worse, I would have stopped and followed your advice, I was just curious and acted upon my experiences of all the diet changes I have made in the past and looked at how I, and my gut, reacted to them. Please, allow me to explain.
Before starting the no-gluten&dairy dietary changes, I was "fine". I didn't/couldn't sense any physical pain or discomfort concerning my gut, just my sensitive and thin skin wasn't so good, I also had a more yellow-ish skin color. Anyhow, so I started to go off gluten and dairy, for about a year, and my skin cleared up a bit more, felt great, could think better and my gut became stronger, more sensitive so to speak. As I started eliminating gluten&dairy I experienced many vomiting-episodes. This was new to me because I rarely had them before the dietary changes, and now they occurred every time I ate something that probably was bad for me... That was a sign that my gut became stronger and more sensitive. After some more food eliminations, I stopped vomiting and stopped having these detox-experiences.
And now, with this low-carb diet, my gut was showing changes as well. Something I never experienced before, this hunger-sensation was new. So I thought that maybe this is a stage I have to go through? Maybe my gut is trying to understand that I want to become a ''fatovore'' and not a carbovore anymore? Maybe my gut was going through some rewiring? Maybe, leptin (which also controls feelings such as hunger), having been chaotic for years because of the many carbs, had to get balanced in some way, in order to function correctly in this state of ketosis? I thought about it, and I told myself to wait some days and see what happens. I care a lot about my body, and I promised myself that I would take careful steps and keep a close eye to myself. I continued eating fat and fatty meats, even though the hunger feeling was present, I decided to go through the pain, reassured myself, and waited to see what would happen.
I started taking L-glutamine during this time (and still take it), as well as some Black Walnut Wormwood Complex (in case I had some nasty parasites going on, but stopped that after 3 days), plus the low-carb supplements, such as L-Carnitine and potassium. After one day or so my stomach was increasing in pain at some moments of the day, but the hunger feeling started to slowly go away. I also totally eliminated any carb-source, I used to have a blini, but I stopped that, and I think that a-blini-a-day might've contributed to the ''slow''-transition.
After two days of having experienced the hunger feeling, it completely went away, as well as some of the stomach pains (hooray!), and when I decided to have a meal with ~40 grams of protein (something that never caused a reaction before) I suddenly experienced bad stomach pains again, and my stomach bloated!!!! I never experienced that before, I was like "So this is what bloating is huh!'' I think I know now why I had that hunger-feeling going on, I think it was my gut getting stronger and adapted to the LOW-protein, HIGH-fat, LOW-carb (actually 0 carbs) diet! 40 grams of protein (of fatty pork) was just too much now! This discomfort from this meal went on for some days, I tried to calm it down by massaging my stomach, adding apple cider vinegar to my meals, taking L-glutamine, and adding turmeric in my meals, AND of course lowering my protein-level to 20 grams. This went away and I never experienced the bloating feeling again. I only feel a slight tightness-feeling if I eat more than 25 protein, so I'mma just stick to below that.
In a nutshell, these are the symptoms I experienced, while transitioning, in order:
- hunger feeling
- stomach pains
- bloating (just happened once)
- pain in legs, arms, whole body basically (after my gut got rebuilt, I guess it was time for my other parts in my body to start getting used to burning fat, this lasted only 2 days)
- sometimes weak feeling in legs (also lasted for a few days)
- severe headache that lasted a whole day (especially around the temples, to this day I still feel a certain ''hardness'' around my temples, but it's not uncomfortable, I just think that my head is the most damaged part of my body and it will need a lot of time to get all healed up, if there hasn't been done any irreversible damage. My head actually does feel stronger, because usually traveling from city to city and walking too much would cause me a headache in the end, but that doesn't happen anymore!)
Right now, I don't have any of these symptoms.
Another sign that my gut has become stronger, was my severe reaction to nuts after my symptoms had settled down. Had no problem eating them before (and when I did, the reaction wasn't as severe), but won't have them now! A money-saver anyway. I also don't have any vegetables, they actually make me want to eat more food and they just mess with my mind. Another money-saver. My List mostly contains of Mackerel, Pork, Eggs and Duck fat/Lard. Sometimes I have some chicken as well, but I will try to substitute that, but it's a bit hard money-wise, I'll try. I also take some supplements of course. I stopped taking the low-carb supplements, but might take them again if the weak feeling in the legs ever comes back. Right now I just eat until I feel satiated and usually I would have small meals throughout the day. In the future I will also re-test butter, since last time I tried, I showed a reaction to it.
Other than the strong gut and head, I also have experienced the following >Very Interesting< benefit (I'm 21 by the way):
So I sensed a bit of lower abdominal pain which made me realize that I'm going to start my period. And when it did, well, ahem... it was pretty interesting to say the least. My blood loss reduced with 95%!! In other words, my first day felt like the last! No pains, at all, all I had was that small pain that simply let me knew that it was going to start. I also had no breast tenderness/pain as I would usually get (tried progesterone cream for that before, which didn't do much). Usually my period would last for 7 days, and now it took me 3 days. Normally, the first day was usually difficult, I sensed pain when I stood too long for example, but I didn't experience that either. No mood swings either, but I never really had them anyway.
So if I would tell this to someone, the first thing they might say is: ''Well is that normal???" And I think that just because almost every woman experiences severe pain during PMS and has mood swings, doesn't mean that that is normal. I think the different experiences depend on genetic factors, and lifestyle-factors. Maybe all these symptoms only started to exist when agriculture was introduced, plus the many harmful xenoestrogens, not to mention the bad oils and of course the carbs. Maybe it is normal to feel good and painless during PMS?
I had already experienced MUCH less pain when I cut off gluten and dairy. But now, I'm like supermode during the period...... I barely notice it.
Other benefits:
- clear mind
- more in touch with my emotions and the emotions of others
- more fit (when I run to catch the tram, I notice I can run longer, I also noticed that when I rested afterwards I naturally was breathing in through my nose and out through my mouth (while catching my breath)!)
- more red-ish skin color (better blood flow?)
- skin cleared up some more
- (more) stable energy throughout the day
- can remember dreams better
So all-in-all I've gained many benefits from this diet. I did have to go through some pain and adjustments, but the end-result is worth it. Sorry for the long post, but I thought I'd share it, since it might be helpful to others and also to show that the low-carb diet can bring great results. But everyone I guess mostly goes through different experiences/adjustments, and it really takes a lot of observation and self-body-knowledge (of past experiences) and of course book-knowledge to take the necessary steps that are needed for a healthy living. I'd also recommend keeping a Diet Journal. It is inspiring for me to read your experiences with this diet, especially that of Atriedes. Psychologically, in the beginning, it was a bit hard for me at first to understand why I'm doing this low-carb diet again, when there is so much food available, I asked myself: why am I restricting myself to so few a foods? But I remembered myself of all the reasons why I'm doing this. I'm doing this for me, because it is what my body deserves and needs, and my way of showing respect to Nature's design. It's about food being taken in with knowledge, and not with an ignorant mind. Many say that you are/become what you eat... so I guess it would be a good thing to pay attention to what you eat and what it does to you in order to understand yourself better! I know it helped me.
Right now I'm used to this diet, and I'm very happy with it.
Thank you for reading and I would have never come this far in my dietary changes without you, Thank you.
I'd like to share my experiences so far with the low-carb diet. Last time I posted I shared about me doing great on this diet for a week or so and then suddenly getting a hunger sensation that just would not go away. You advised me to not go low-carb until I've healed my gut, but after a great deal of thinking I chose to continue and to observe what happens, of course if things would have gotten worse, I would have stopped and followed your advice, I was just curious and acted upon my experiences of all the diet changes I have made in the past and looked at how I, and my gut, reacted to them. Please, allow me to explain.
Before starting the no-gluten&dairy dietary changes, I was "fine". I didn't/couldn't sense any physical pain or discomfort concerning my gut, just my sensitive and thin skin wasn't so good, I also had a more yellow-ish skin color. Anyhow, so I started to go off gluten and dairy, for about a year, and my skin cleared up a bit more, felt great, could think better and my gut became stronger, more sensitive so to speak. As I started eliminating gluten&dairy I experienced many vomiting-episodes. This was new to me because I rarely had them before the dietary changes, and now they occurred every time I ate something that probably was bad for me... That was a sign that my gut became stronger and more sensitive. After some more food eliminations, I stopped vomiting and stopped having these detox-experiences.
And now, with this low-carb diet, my gut was showing changes as well. Something I never experienced before, this hunger-sensation was new. So I thought that maybe this is a stage I have to go through? Maybe my gut is trying to understand that I want to become a ''fatovore'' and not a carbovore anymore? Maybe my gut was going through some rewiring? Maybe, leptin (which also controls feelings such as hunger), having been chaotic for years because of the many carbs, had to get balanced in some way, in order to function correctly in this state of ketosis? I thought about it, and I told myself to wait some days and see what happens. I care a lot about my body, and I promised myself that I would take careful steps and keep a close eye to myself. I continued eating fat and fatty meats, even though the hunger feeling was present, I decided to go through the pain, reassured myself, and waited to see what would happen.
I started taking L-glutamine during this time (and still take it), as well as some Black Walnut Wormwood Complex (in case I had some nasty parasites going on, but stopped that after 3 days), plus the low-carb supplements, such as L-Carnitine and potassium. After one day or so my stomach was increasing in pain at some moments of the day, but the hunger feeling started to slowly go away. I also totally eliminated any carb-source, I used to have a blini, but I stopped that, and I think that a-blini-a-day might've contributed to the ''slow''-transition.
After two days of having experienced the hunger feeling, it completely went away, as well as some of the stomach pains (hooray!), and when I decided to have a meal with ~40 grams of protein (something that never caused a reaction before) I suddenly experienced bad stomach pains again, and my stomach bloated!!!! I never experienced that before, I was like "So this is what bloating is huh!'' I think I know now why I had that hunger-feeling going on, I think it was my gut getting stronger and adapted to the LOW-protein, HIGH-fat, LOW-carb (actually 0 carbs) diet! 40 grams of protein (of fatty pork) was just too much now! This discomfort from this meal went on for some days, I tried to calm it down by massaging my stomach, adding apple cider vinegar to my meals, taking L-glutamine, and adding turmeric in my meals, AND of course lowering my protein-level to 20 grams. This went away and I never experienced the bloating feeling again. I only feel a slight tightness-feeling if I eat more than 25 protein, so I'mma just stick to below that.
In a nutshell, these are the symptoms I experienced, while transitioning, in order:
- hunger feeling
- stomach pains
- bloating (just happened once)
- pain in legs, arms, whole body basically (after my gut got rebuilt, I guess it was time for my other parts in my body to start getting used to burning fat, this lasted only 2 days)
- sometimes weak feeling in legs (also lasted for a few days)
- severe headache that lasted a whole day (especially around the temples, to this day I still feel a certain ''hardness'' around my temples, but it's not uncomfortable, I just think that my head is the most damaged part of my body and it will need a lot of time to get all healed up, if there hasn't been done any irreversible damage. My head actually does feel stronger, because usually traveling from city to city and walking too much would cause me a headache in the end, but that doesn't happen anymore!)
Right now, I don't have any of these symptoms.
Another sign that my gut has become stronger, was my severe reaction to nuts after my symptoms had settled down. Had no problem eating them before (and when I did, the reaction wasn't as severe), but won't have them now! A money-saver anyway. I also don't have any vegetables, they actually make me want to eat more food and they just mess with my mind. Another money-saver. My List mostly contains of Mackerel, Pork, Eggs and Duck fat/Lard. Sometimes I have some chicken as well, but I will try to substitute that, but it's a bit hard money-wise, I'll try. I also take some supplements of course. I stopped taking the low-carb supplements, but might take them again if the weak feeling in the legs ever comes back. Right now I just eat until I feel satiated and usually I would have small meals throughout the day. In the future I will also re-test butter, since last time I tried, I showed a reaction to it.
Other than the strong gut and head, I also have experienced the following >Very Interesting< benefit (I'm 21 by the way):
So I sensed a bit of lower abdominal pain which made me realize that I'm going to start my period. And when it did, well, ahem... it was pretty interesting to say the least. My blood loss reduced with 95%!! In other words, my first day felt like the last! No pains, at all, all I had was that small pain that simply let me knew that it was going to start. I also had no breast tenderness/pain as I would usually get (tried progesterone cream for that before, which didn't do much). Usually my period would last for 7 days, and now it took me 3 days. Normally, the first day was usually difficult, I sensed pain when I stood too long for example, but I didn't experience that either. No mood swings either, but I never really had them anyway.
So if I would tell this to someone, the first thing they might say is: ''Well is that normal???" And I think that just because almost every woman experiences severe pain during PMS and has mood swings, doesn't mean that that is normal. I think the different experiences depend on genetic factors, and lifestyle-factors. Maybe all these symptoms only started to exist when agriculture was introduced, plus the many harmful xenoestrogens, not to mention the bad oils and of course the carbs. Maybe it is normal to feel good and painless during PMS?
I had already experienced MUCH less pain when I cut off gluten and dairy. But now, I'm like supermode during the period...... I barely notice it.
Other benefits:
- clear mind
- more in touch with my emotions and the emotions of others
- more fit (when I run to catch the tram, I notice I can run longer, I also noticed that when I rested afterwards I naturally was breathing in through my nose and out through my mouth (while catching my breath)!)
- more red-ish skin color (better blood flow?)
- skin cleared up some more
- (more) stable energy throughout the day
- can remember dreams better
So all-in-all I've gained many benefits from this diet. I did have to go through some pain and adjustments, but the end-result is worth it. Sorry for the long post, but I thought I'd share it, since it might be helpful to others and also to show that the low-carb diet can bring great results. But everyone I guess mostly goes through different experiences/adjustments, and it really takes a lot of observation and self-body-knowledge (of past experiences) and of course book-knowledge to take the necessary steps that are needed for a healthy living. I'd also recommend keeping a Diet Journal. It is inspiring for me to read your experiences with this diet, especially that of Atriedes. Psychologically, in the beginning, it was a bit hard for me at first to understand why I'm doing this low-carb diet again, when there is so much food available, I asked myself: why am I restricting myself to so few a foods? But I remembered myself of all the reasons why I'm doing this. I'm doing this for me, because it is what my body deserves and needs, and my way of showing respect to Nature's design. It's about food being taken in with knowledge, and not with an ignorant mind. Many say that you are/become what you eat... so I guess it would be a good thing to pay attention to what you eat and what it does to you in order to understand yourself better! I know it helped me.
Right now I'm used to this diet, and I'm very happy with it.
Thank you for reading and I would have never come this far in my dietary changes without you, Thank you.
Laura said:
Okay, I like to check out both things.
Nienna Eluch said:
I put on everything I eat fat (ghee or butter) or soak veggies in it, so that there should be plenty of fat. I'm also eating now pork belly where the fat protein ratio is about 27gr to 13gr per 100gr and I really love the fat.
Gertrudes said:
I will experiment a little and eat more proteins, cause I'm still loosing weight. In the morning after the meal with clothing, I weighted about 62kg. And people keep telling me: "you look really thin, you should eat something" and it's maybe not the way to look too thin, so I increase things a bit.
Thank you for the suggestion. I am allergic to celery and I couldn't find bacon with out either celery or sugar/honey. Before that, I was eating pemmican that I got on the net. I ran out of it though. I stopped measuring the protein also. I think I had zinc defeciency based on symptoms ( dry skin, tiredness memory issues etc. Other than crazy work ). Seems to have got it after started sauna back.Alana said:
Yes I started taking omega 3 after lunch, that helps.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
seek10 said:
Hi seek10, would you consider starting a thread in the swamp or another private section about what you're currently going through? My sense is that it's only partly physiological and that it might really benefit you to open up and talk about your stresses, your fears, your emotional struggles, your uncertainty and all the things that are draining you, worrying you and currently dragging you down. You don't have to deal with all of that by yourself - that's why we're here. Just a thought.
seek10 said:
You could also cook any meat and chop it up/store it in the fridge to snack on.
It may be worth stopping the sauna's if your problems started with that, it may be you are detoxing too fast (this will cause all sorts of problems, such as emotional problems, fatigue and taxing the liver). It may also explain why you are skinny - the low carb diet acts like a diuretic so your body will loose water/salts/minerals faster than usual....if you are doing saunas you are also loosing water/salts/minerals. You'd need to be drinking a lot of water/salts/minerals to replace them (but be mindful not to over do them to, best research this). Dehydration and lack of salts and minerals will also cause emotional problems and fatigue, and severe dehydration leads to weight loss - a very serious condition.
