"Life Without Bread"
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beetlemaniac
The Living Force
Has anyone eaten any CAFO meat lately? My parents had come over and brought a few bags of roasted pork ribs. It's nice that they are not against my diet, and they try to help by sending food and things. Still, after having this (presumably CAFO) meat, I think my "inner equilibrium" sort off gave way to anxious and restless feelings. After EE yesterday, I still couldn't fully rid myself of those feelings. I couldn't get the centered calmness that I usually end up in at the end of POTS. At night I had anger dreams. I don't know if the meat is implicated in this but it's a thought, and I'm kind of convinced of that. Now I'm just feeling really angry and trying to do things with the anger, I guess 
mcb
The Living Force
beetlemaniac said:
I have it occasionally, when eating away from home. I've never noticed any obvious aftereffects, but then I don't believe that CAFO meat causes any obvious, immediate aftereffects (unless it is contaminated and undercooked). It would depend, of course, what else was on the plate besides meat.
beetlemaniac
The Living Force
Megan said:
About it being contaminated, the meat did smell off. Would it mean some kind of bacterial contamination?
mcb
The Living Force
beetlemaniac said:
If it smells strange after cooking you would be wise to avoid it, though I wouldn't eat it if it smelled bad when raw either. The most dangerous forms of contamination come from e. coli strains that can make you sick or worse even when there are only small numbers of them -- too few to be able to smell. They do not survive thorough cooking, however.
If it truly didn't smell right then it very well could have affected you. I would expect bad meat to cause gastrointestinal problems, though, not anxiety or anger, although it would depend on what organism was in it and what toxins were produced. If it had significant added sugar (from a BBQ sauce, for instance), that might affect your mood.
The antibiotic and hormone residues in CAFO meat are not at levels that would affect most people from occasional exposure, I don't believe. What concerns me the most is that CAFO-fattened animals are quite unhealthy by the time they are slaughtered, and while I don't think the nutritional consequences of this have been well studied (there wouldn't be research money for it), common sense tells me that this is not something I would want to be a regular part of my diet.
beetlemaniac
The Living Force
Megan said:
Ok thanks Megan. I was really trying to pin down the feelings on some cause. These emotional issues always make me, well, emotional.
mcb
The Living Force
beetlemaniac said:
I thought as much, but is that really about what is in the meat?
I don't especially like to eat conventional meat and produce myself. It was going on 3 years ago that I switched to "mostly organic" food, and when I did that it stopped and reversed the progression of arthritis that was developing in my hands. I don't know why that happened but it helped convince me that the extra cost was worth it.
I did not make a commitment NEVER to eat conventional foods. I can't see any reason for me to do so. If I am hungry, I need to eat something. I travel on business occasionally and have no access to what I normally eat, other than what I can pack in a suitcase. There are also social situations where I (with care) eat things I wouldn't normally have. I don't have a problem with that. It doesn't bother me, other than if I accidentally eat something that does bother me, physically.
My commitment is to do the best I can with the food I have available, taking into account the particular circumstances (i.e. external consideration). What is yours? If you have made a decision then it shouldn't bother you to behave consistently with that decision (and if it does then you can look at that). If you leave it undecided, that creates room for all sorts of "emotional" activity.
Hello everyone :)
I just want to post some great updates about the diet. It seems I 'm finally "getting" the List, and the general purpose that it has in our lives. I want to post more about this in the swamp, but it belongs here too.
I've been a workaholic my whole life, but have never really had the "machinery" required to get things done. Always starting and stopping, and without purpose. Well that's changed a bit. I'm getting the right amounts of fat and meat, restricting calories to small amounts at each meal, and have felt my energy levels sky-rocket.
At school I'm the VP of a club and deal with those responsibilities, work 35 hours a week, have 15 hours a week in classes, make time to stay up to date with the forum, volunteer 4 hours a week, and work an additional 5-8 hours a week with a professor helping him on his research.
Now the why behind all of this I want to address in the swamp. But the simple fact that I'm doing this while maintaining straight A's, getting assignments done several weeks ahead of time, and having a much better attitude at work really strikes me as "liberation". This diet and the "List" in general (which I've translated into my life as doing what needs to be done when it needs to be done) are amazing achievements. Honestly, thanks everyone!
Now, of course why am I doing all of this? I will need to take this to the swamp, I think, so I can find out, because I still need to get the purpose part down. I just wanted to share because, well, wow!
I just want to post some great updates about the diet. It seems I 'm finally "getting" the List, and the general purpose that it has in our lives. I want to post more about this in the swamp, but it belongs here too.
I've been a workaholic my whole life, but have never really had the "machinery" required to get things done. Always starting and stopping, and without purpose. Well that's changed a bit. I'm getting the right amounts of fat and meat, restricting calories to small amounts at each meal, and have felt my energy levels sky-rocket.
At school I'm the VP of a club and deal with those responsibilities, work 35 hours a week, have 15 hours a week in classes, make time to stay up to date with the forum, volunteer 4 hours a week, and work an additional 5-8 hours a week with a professor helping him on his research.
Now the why behind all of this I want to address in the swamp. But the simple fact that I'm doing this while maintaining straight A's, getting assignments done several weeks ahead of time, and having a much better attitude at work really strikes me as "liberation". This diet and the "List" in general (which I've translated into my life as doing what needs to be done when it needs to be done) are amazing achievements. Honestly, thanks everyone!
Now, of course why am I doing all of this? I will need to take this to the swamp, I think, so I can find out, because I still need to get the purpose part down. I just wanted to share because, well, wow!
Not to wander too far 
, I found a good source for organic free range pork (Berkshire). from their website:
Their website is: http://whitethunderorganics.com. I found them in the latest Weston Price Journal. The way they handle orders is unique. They take care of the shipping costs and use one of their (expensive) coolers. When you get the order, you drop a check in the cooler and send it back (pre-paid). We just ordered a bunch, so I'll have to report back on the quality - but I have little doubt it will be great. They also have pastured chicken and beef. Large orders could be shared with family/friends or other members nearby.
When talking with the owner, I asked about the pork chops. She said that they leave a lot of fat on and the chops also contain part of the tenderloin!
, I found a good source for organic free range pork (Berkshire). from their website:Their website is: http://whitethunderorganics.com. I found them in the latest Weston Price Journal. The way they handle orders is unique. They take care of the shipping costs and use one of their (expensive) coolers. When you get the order, you drop a check in the cooler and send it back (pre-paid). We just ordered a bunch, so I'll have to report back on the quality - but I have little doubt it will be great. They also have pastured chicken and beef. Large orders could be shared with family/friends or other members nearby.
When talking with the owner, I asked about the pork chops. She said that they leave a lot of fat on and the chops also contain part of the tenderloin!
LQB said:
I got a block from Avast virus software when trying to go to their website. Did anyone else have this problem? Avast doesn't seem to have a way to bypass this block, ie, mark it safe. Does anyone know a way around it?
The message was "HTML: Script-inf"
StrangeCaptain
Jedi Council Member
herondancer said:
If you are sure about something, then you can disable Avast temporarily by right-clicking on the little Avast icon in the lower right corner of your screen. On the menu, there is an option called "avast! shields control", and you can choose a block of time in which Avast's real-time protections are turned off for a little while.
beetlemaniac
The Living Force
Megan said:
Yep, your commitment is the same as mine.
Do you mean as being too strict, and not giving allowance to certain situations where I wouldn't have access to organic meat? I really went thru a "harsh" time with myself being too strict about the whole diet thing. But now I'm quite flexible.
BTW awesome stuff LQB, see you in the swamp!
mcb
The Living Force
beetlemaniac said:
Of course you have will make adjustments for the different situations in which you find yourself. If you haven't thought about it in advance and decided (more or less) what to do, you might find yourself doubting the choices you make (and visualizing things that might happen), and that uncertainty can manifest in the form of "symptoms." That can lead to more uncertainty and more "symptoms," and it can mask real symptoms that might come from eating food that is different from that to which you are accustomed. So I think it really has more to do with uncertainty than with "strictness."
Being "strict" can mean following a rule "because it is the rule" if there is not an objective basis. It can also represent beat-yourself-up programming, especially if you come from a narcissistic family. Strictness, when required, needs to arise from the facts, as best you can can know them.
My decision, based upon what I have been able to learn about the risks, has been to strictly avoid grains, starch, and sugar because of my health situation (at risk of diabetes), but not to strictly avoid conventional meat or green vegetables when nothing else is available because not eating is more likely to cause me problems than contaminants in the food.
