"Life Without Bread"

[stellar]

Ladygraypanther, I hope you do decide to stay with the forum because we are all here to learn together. I have no doubt others out there will not post because they feel they don't know enough to be able to contribute. When you think about it just be posting you may have given incentive to another to take that step. That IS helping someone and that IS contributing. So, FWIW, well done.

Since I joined a couple of years ago (expecting to be in a wheelchair in afew years) I have turned my life and health around incredibally. (I'm working as a capenter on construction sites, a 48 year old woman. ) I think you can too. It sounds like you may have a fair amount of time on your hands to dedicate to reading so I hope you do. Once you get started with the Diet and Psychology I don't think you'll look back.

I think the most important thing for newbies is to remain open minded and take every reply as a lesson to better oneself and grow in knowledge; self importance and 'old habits' needs to go out the window if you really want to help yourself (and others in turn). Enjoy learning :)

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

IMO This forum is composed of Olympian thinkers. For example, besides Laura, there are 20 year olds with the knowledge and wisdom of old sages and they’ve been thinking that way since they were 3years old. And let us not forget the bilinguals who make the statement, “This (English) is not my native language and then proceed to write the most eloquent pieces imaginable. There are some threads that still boggle my mind, like Organic Portals. Then there is The Work on which I will never, never, ever, ever open my mouth. Currently there are 1645 printable pages on this thread. I was at page 417 and had the unmitigated gall to open my mouth. That won’t happen again. After Laura’s reply. I went to Anart’s garden and ate some worms. I’m happy to not get the phrase “move along” or “maybe this forum isn’t for you”.

I think most of us on this forum have thought that way at some point - and still do sometimes. Yes, there are some great minds on this forum, that's why it's such an incredible opportunity to learn from them! Because you had the 'unmitigated gall to open your mouth', an exchange took place and it helped you (and others) understand something better. This is what this forum is about. We all have our role to play, however insignificant it may seem at first. There is a lot to catch up with at first but it gets a bit easier after a while. Keep interacting with us, we will all learn a lot! :)

 

[loreta]

We are here to learn, Ladygreypanther, there is nothing bad in learning. I like to come here (when I can) and be surrounded by Olympians minds. I feel secure. I have so many things to learn, yet, till I will be very very old. This afternoon I was thinking that since last year thanks to this forum and Sott.net my health has improve, not totally but I am in the good road, my mind also, my energy. But I am still a baby, maybe sometimes I am scare to be an adult. I don't post enough because my English is very bad.

Have a nice day Ladygreypanther.

Loreta

 

[Ðekel]

loreta,

your english is completely fine. i understood everything you typed.
i find that the message conveyed is more important that using huge words and getting every single grammatical construct right.
the point is, we're all still learning english. :)

i agree that we all have a lot to teach each other.

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here are some links that are relevant to this thread.
this is what they've been doing recently with yeast;

synthetic replacement chromosomes yield replicant yeast
http://io9.com/5840465/synthetic-replacement-chromosomes-give-us-replicant-yeast


cyborg yeast
http://io9.com/5857068/cyborg-yeast-could-idiot+proof-your-home+brew

things just keep on getting more and more interesting on the BBM.

 

[primechild]

Thanks Ladygreypanther, I went back and remembered all my medical history (that I didn't want to) because of you. And now its at the top of my post. wow I totally forgot about all of that. See, your post did help someone.

Medical History
8yrs old Menstrual/anemia - pain meds took for 5yrs stopped it since it wasn't helping
15yrs old Thyroid - meds 2yrs made me moody stopped taking them
17yrs 6months in bed pneumonia - spirit attachment fight
18yrs old goiter size of golf ball on left side - emergency
20yrs old funky leg cramps electric tingling both legs doctors couldn't figure it out (I think they where just messing with me and my PPO insurance)
22yrs old UTI - was a workaholic thought I was dying emergency room put me on cipro and two pain meds that didn't help at all, 5 days still feeling that I'm dying - went to emergency again developed cyst in kidney (their fault) they told me to wait for medicine to work. Went to gyno she told me "my body was not accepting the medicine" put me on cousin of penicillin within two hours didn't need any pain meds.
0yrs lol - always had low blood pressure resting 79/60 72 and active 105/79 72 (family problem or maybe its a good thing?)

2007: 189lbs 5'4
forced myself to eat six times a day, drink lots of water and I ate gluten free stuff

2011 jul-aug before Nj sis drama: 133lbs
meat, veg & fruit - rarely organic rice quiona
ate two or three times a day
fast elimination everyday in morning 4min or less

2011 aug-oct because of sis drama: 154lbs
stress lots fruits & meat, rice & chocolate everyday, veg
ate three plus meals or only once
had to start reading in bathroom again, 5min or more
(now that I review, above was my responsibility no matter how challenging it was to get right fuel.
If it wasn't for workshop & EE, I wouldn't have survived that ordeal.)

currently:139-141lbs
Oct 19 - Nov8 was mean to my body should have read all info first
30 - 0g carbs (celery/kale baked or sauteed in 1 1/2 cups of bacon grease)
48 - 32g protein
60 - 40g fat that I could measure (bacon package)
I felt fine with that low amount and wasn't hungry.
Keto sticks went from beige pink to purple high back to pink
3 to 4 days fast less than 3min elimination and almost nothing lol

I can't trust my body, since sometimes its not thirsty for 2 days nor hungry. If it had its way, eat like a glutton one day and nothing the next two days. or maybe I don't listen to its whispers?

Nov8 - now until I read everything (PBPM, VegMyth, sluggish liver, etc...)
30 - 0 carbs
no measuring protein
no measuring fat. I try to eat everything with bacon, pork fat or ghee
force myself to eat 2 times (Queen Breakfast and nothing after 7pm)
fast elimination every 2-3 days depends on how much carbs & protein

Supplements
5,000 Vitamin D3 has flax using it till its gone getting new

10g NOW potassium powder in 8oz or less water, 1-2tbls lemon with meals
(I chug it, don't like it and I bathed in it once, sticky)

GNC L glutamine powder in plain water force it at least 3 times a day on empty stomach

magnesium citrate w lemon at night after a leg (and now feet) cramp thing, maybe should up potassium to 99g as suggested.

Buying/research:
omega 3 krill
Lactoferrin
L-Carnitine
Lipase
NAC
lugo iodine
Probiotics

--current food fuel--
bacon (need to find one with out 2% sugar)
egg yolks only
pork sides (looks like bacon thicker less protein more fat)
Bone soup once a week (can't stand that stuff)
yay! found Mangalitsa pork waiting for when I can tour their farm.
-- carbs --
Kale Celery Sweet potatoes
with sea salt, fat and by themselves

--Lazy snacks when taking grandma to hospital and lots of doctors--
prosciutto (pork, salt and nothing else yay) & pork cracklings
buying myself two 24hour cold 12hours hot food jar yikes $30 each - won't have an excuse after getting those...

-- only for backup (can't stand eating these anymore)--
frozen Green beans
frozen broccoli
canned small sardines with skin and bones (I keep 5 in car)

Is eating bacon loaded with nitrates and other preservatives the lesser evil than eating organic no fat beef and chicken? I would guess yes for a 2 or 3 days but would like verification.

While I'm catching up... I'm already in keto-adapted passed through a week of smelling funky family, friends and co-workers commented (bathed twice a day, wouldn't come off)
Should I force myself to eat 3 meals instead of 2? and more carbs? or leave it as is while I catch up reading?

Still organizing notes and re-reading threads. PBPM & Myth on its way yay!

Thanks for the eggwhites choco xylitol cookies will make those in case holidays get to me. The original sugar ones freeze well, I'm guessing these will too:)

Thanks for all your patience. Let me know if this post was ok, TMI (too much info), too abstract...

 

[beetlemaniac]

Is eating bacon loaded with nitrates and other preservatives the lesser evil than eating organic no fat beef and chicken? I would guess yes for a 2 or 3 days but would like verification.

I think it's alright. You could boil the bacon before frying to get rid of some of the nitrates. But as usual organic nitrate-free would be best. If you tolerate butter you could put that on your beef or chicken (a lot of it :))

While I'm catching up... I'm already in keto-adapted passed through a week of smelling funky family, friends and co-workers commented (bathed twice a day, wouldn't come off)
Should I force myself to eat 3 meals instead of 2? and more carbs? or leave it as is while I catch up reading?

I think it depends on your hunger, it's good to feed yourself fat anytime you feel hungry, it'll probably speed up your ketoadaptation. I think adding carbs is for finding your tolerance level for carbs while keeping you in ketosis, so if you are not having problems with the fat digestion then I would keep the carbs low. Is there a reason you want to increase carbs?

Thanks for all your patience. Let me know if this post was ok, TMI (too much info), too abstract...

I didn't use all of the information you provided in your post to give the general suggestions above, I'm not really qualified to. I'm sorry you had lots of trouble with your health previously. But I think it was a good exercise for you to remember your past history, it'll probably really help once you read up on the material. You'll be able to apply the new knowledge to whatever you've previously experienced. :)

 

[RedFox]

10g NOW potassium powder in 8oz or less water

Kokiri, could you confirm you are NOT taking all 10g of potassium in one go? Because if you have taken 10g of potassium I'd get yourself down the emergency room asap! That could kill you.

 

[primechild]

Redfox thanks for your concern. It's total daily ammount Potassium gluconate, not at one time, label says about 45% daily req. One time is 3.48g x 2 or 3 times a day... Is that ok? Thanks.

Beetlemaniac thanks for the feedback. See I over did it on some info and was too abstract in very important info As for carbs, I feel as though I may have lowered them too fast? Or it could be I'm still concerned of what others think? I'm going to have to figure that out for myself... Thanks for the question.

 

[RedFox]

Redfox thanks for your concern. It's total daily ammount Potassium gluconate, not at one time, label says about 45% daily req. One time is 3.48g x 2 or 3 times a day... Is that ok? Thanks.

Thanks for the confirmation, I checked the NOW Potassium gluconate info, and that seems ok according to its label. Was concerned you where taking 10g of pure potassium.

 

[beetlemaniac]

Beetlemaniac thanks for the feedback. See I over did it on some info and was too abstract in very important info As for carbs, I feel as though I may have lowered them too fast? Or it could be I'm still concerned of what others think? I'm going to have to figure that out for myself... Thanks for the question.

Check out this excerpt from the New Atkins book which has some info on carb reduction:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22916.msg273908/topicseen.html#msg273908
You could try re-reading the posts to get a feel of where you're at now. You can also use the search tool to find things specific to your questions, right in this thread.

If you have any lingering problems you can always network :)

 

[Ollie]

At the end of August I tested myself for sensitivity to pork that was other than cured in some form or other – the result was that Pork Belly was for occasional use, and Pork Chops were definitely out, but a feeling that my body’s sensitivity to pork was reducing.

This week I bought some pork belly wit the intention of carrying out a series of tests with marinating and brining to determine my sensitivity level, starting with pork belly as bought – the control/benchmark. Much to my surprise it passed with flying colours, no need to continue the testing with this. Onwards and upwards.

Next, I’m buying some pork chops to experiment with them, to see my reaction, to see if my sensitivity to pork has reduced completely, or how to work with pork to overcome my body’s natural (to-date) reaction.

 

[SeekinTruth]

That's interesting, Trevrizent. I wonder what the sensitivity was that seems to be receding? Keep us updated with your continuing experiment as others might have similar sensitivities and can benefit from your data.

I'm sure glad I don't have any sensitivities to pork. It's my staple. :)

 

[RedFox]

This week I bought some pork belly wit the intention of carrying out a series of tests with marinating and brining to determine my sensitivity level, starting with pork belly as bought – the control/benchmark. Much to my surprise it passed with flying colours, no need to continue the testing with this. Onwards and upwards.

fwiw the last month or two so I was getting more and more loose bowels/fatigue in responce to eating pork, then other meats started as well. Tracked it down to needing more digestive enzymes/stomach acid support (I had stopped taking enzymes some months ago). So that may be something to consider - its not the meat that causes the reaction, but how well its digested perhaps.

 

[Ollie]

fwiw the last month or two so I was getting more and more loose bowels/fatigue in responce to eating pork, then other meats started as well. Tracked it down to needing more digestive enzymes/stomach acid support (I had stopped taking enzymes some months ago). So that may be something to consider - its not the meat that causes the reaction, but how well its digested perhaps.

Still taking digestive enzymes, and Betaine HCl, so can rule that one out, the latter is, I think, a lifetime supplement use. What I'm looking at is different ways of preparing (marinading etc, and different methods of 'cutting') the 'meat', and different ways of cooking the 'meat' to see what the various effects are - particularly for organ meats - in terms of what you refer to as 'how well it is digested', what will 'ease the way in'. First of all though, is getting pork sorted.

 

[Oxajil]

I'd like to give an update on how I'm doing so far. So I'm following this diet for 5 months now. And I seem to have gone through several stages of adaptment to the diet, being: pain in legs/arms > stomach pain > pain in the head, temples area. Now all those pains went away after some time, and I can sense my body has become stronger, especially my head. Usually I would easily get a headache just from low temperatures outside, but I don't seem to have that anymore.

Now, I'm experiencing another symptom... it started just as the weather outside got colder, so it could be related to that, or it is yet another stage of adaptment I'm going to have to go through. What's happening is that the amount of protein that I can have per meal has decreased even more, just a few bites seems to be enough and can keep me going for a couple of hours. If I have more, the symptom I would get is that my belly starts to swell up... To help myself through this, I will soon be supplementing myself with some digestive aid, and there is something else I need to deal with as well.

It's my program that thinks that I need more than I should. Having eaten and having been served a whole plate full for years and seeing others eating a lot has somehow installed this program in me that believes that large portions are normal and small portions are not (i.e. you're not providing yourself with ''enough'' food, so something must be wrong with you).

I think it's tied to what my parents used to tell me during my younger years when I didn't want to finish my plate, they'd say that I should eat more and that it is no wonder that I'm so skinny. It felt very negative and it hurt me, so whenever I would eat little it kind of feels wrong. And now that this bloated-stomach-symptom has come up, I'm in a way forced to eat small meals, because I don't like to see my body suffer. And I will do some EE and Journaling on this program and hopefully will be able to remember myself that it is only normal and natural to be having small meals on this diet.

At this time I'm also following a course in Food and Health at the university, and I was quite amazed, but not really surprised, to know that almost everything that has to do with food has increased in size over the years, even our food plates!:

"Researchers have observed that the average size of a dinner plate in the 1950s was 9 inches across. By the 80’s it had grown to 11 inches and today the average dinner plate is a whopping 13 inches."

So maybe it will be an extra help if I would buy myself some small plates. Thanks for reading.