"Life Without Bread"

Gandalf said:
However, at around 9h00 I am hungry and I could easily, if it was possible, eat the same thing that I just had for breakfast.

And it is always the same story after each meal. I am ok for a couple of hours but after that I am hungry as if i had not eaten for six hours.

Sound like you are setting yourself up for failure by continuing to allow your body to run on carbs which are being converted from the excess protein, not to mention the actual carbs you are eating.

Here's a couple things to think about:

The whole object of reducing carbs (including those that get made from too much protein) is to force a body that has been used to burning carbs for all your life to make the DNA changes necessary to become a fat burning machine.

I think I explained earlier in the thread that doing this may not be so easy because it is like changing out a gas engine from a car and replacing it with a diesel.

When your body finally does make the switch, you are in ketosis. As we've found out recently, this can be difficult to achieve even if we have eliminated ALL carb type foods if we eat too many proteins. Okay, big ahah! there.

Gedgaudas compares it to the difference between burning little sticks and paper in a wood stove to keep your house warm vs getting some good, aged oak logs in there arranged properly, that will burn slowly all day. Obviously, if you are trying to do the job with the small sticks and paper, you can burn literally hundreds of pounds of them just to keep the fire going, and you will have to spend all your time feeding that fire. For a lot less wood weight over the same period of time, you can get the same heating effect with the logs.

Think about that carefully.

Another issue here is this: we aren't concerned about calories because the "calories in/calories out" theory is clearly, provably, a load of BS. All calories are not equal and eating more calories than you need does not make everyone fat. It all depends on your genetics which determine how your body partitions the fuel resources. Some people burn the excess calories up in heat or nervous energy or excrete them. Some people store everything. Some people may start out burning excess off and slowly switch over to storing. It's variable.

Some of you may be thinking - or so it seems to me - that you must get a certain number of CALORIES per day, whether in protein or fats, to replace the number of CALORIES that you used to get in carbohydrates or that you have been told you need to get in order to function.

Get this: you can replace 10 bushels of paper and sticks with one bushel of aged, decent sized logs and get more steady and efficient heat from the wood stove and the same is true when you are replacing burning carbs with burning fat. Fat is more EFFICIENT. Remember what we read in "Life Without Bread" about the density of energy in fat vs carbs and how no energy has to be used to convert the fat for it to move into the cell and provide energy while carbs had to be "fixed up" and transformed, using energy, just to get them in there. "Fat supplies more energy than a comparable amount of carbohydrate, and low-carbohydrate diets tend to make your system of producing energy more efficient. Furthermore, many organs prefer fat for energy." Maybe it is useful to re-read Chapter Five of "Life Without Bread" at this point. It was posted earlier in the thread by Psyche:

Life Without Bread by Christian B. Allan said:
Chapter Five - Energy: Less is More

Energy is a topic that concerns us all, every day in every way. Whether you are trying to get the kids off to school or running a marathon, energy is the buzzword that all of us can relate to.

Most of us think of energy in terms of how we feel: "Am I tired?" "Do I have enough energy to finish mowing the lawn, or to make dinner?" Our overall well-being and ability to perform tasks is our individual measure of energy. But what is energy, and how is it created inside our body and in our cells?

These questions are so fundamentally important that we are devoting an entire chapter to discussing them. There are a great many myths surrounding energy production in the body and which foods supply energy. We hope to dispel some of the common themes that surround the dogma regarding carbohydrates and energy.

The most popular refrain for eating large amounts of carbohydrates is that people must consume them in their diet to get energy. Not only is this statement inaccurate, it also is misleading. The body has very specific mechanisms for generating energy. Using carbohydrates is only one such mechanism, and not necessarily the best one.

Furthermore, you do not need to eat carbohydrates to have them available for energy. Your body can make carbohydrates as needed, if the protein supply is adequate. Reducing your daily intake of carbohydrates to 72 grams or less-6 bread units—will result in more energy at your disposal, as long as you eat plenty of fat and protein. Don't just take our word for it: Try it for yourself! Only by direct experience will you appreciate the effects of low-carbohydrate nutrition on your own energy levels.

This chapter is one of the more technical chapters in this book. It may require reading more than once. Our purpose is to dispel some of the many inaccurate statements and old wives' tales that surround the physiology of energy production in people. Carbohydrates are not required to obtain energy. Fat supplies more energy than a comparable amount of carbohydrate, and low-carbohydrate diets tend to make your system of producing energy more efficient. Furthermore, many organs prefer fat for energy.

Here is a little tidbit that should shake you up. We have all been led to believe that low-fat diets are heart-healthy. But did you know that your heart primarily uses fat for energy? That's right. Carbohydrates contribute very little to the energy necessary to keep your heart beating, and the preferred fat is saturated fat. Thus, if you eat a high-carbohydrate diet, you are depriving your heart of exactly what it prefers to keep it beating.

If you are not interested in the specific biochemistry of energy production, then you could skip this chapter without losing the main point of the book. We will, however, use some of the principles from this chapter in chapter 10, so we recommend you at least glance through this material. But if you skip this chapter, you will need to accept our point that you do not need carbohydrates to get energy, even the much-touted fast energy.

ENERGY CYCLES

Energy production is a fundamental process required for life. It entails much more than simply having enough energy to walk up the stairs; without proper energy production, your cells cannot divide, all of the biochemical reactions that allow you to function will dissipate, and your body, as an organism, eventually will cease to function.

Energy can exist in many forms, such as heat, light, electrical, and chemical energy, but one of the basic laws of physics stipulates that energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only he changed from one form to another, ands is how it works for life on Earth.

The overall energy cycle of life is derived from the sun. The sun supplies the initial energy from nuclear fusion reactions that make animal and plant life possible.

Sunlight, one form of energy, gets converted by plants, trees, and shrubs into carbohydrates and oxygen. This process is called photosynthesis. Besides sunlight, photosynthesis also requires carbon dioxide and water. Melvin Calvin and scientists who worked with him during the 1950s at the University of California at Berkeley deter¬mined the many chemical steps that were involved in photosynthesis. Calvin was awarded the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1961 for his achievements in this area, and now photosynthesis is often called the Calvin cycle.

After making carbohydrates, animals consume the plants, and they use the breakdown of carbohydrates for energy. Carbohydrates also can be stored in animals as fat, which can be used by the other animals who eat them for energy. One by-product from the breakdown of carbohydrates is carbon dioxide, which the animals release into the environment, to be used by plants for photosynthesis. This, then, is the basic energy cycle.

In between the simple steps we just discussed there are many important steps that take place. In the course of this chapter, we want you to become familiar with how animals produce energy, as well as how animal energy production is different from primitive cell organisms. In turn, this information will help to dispel the myths surrounding carbohydrates and energy.

THE ENERGY OF LIFE

The energy used to support life is in the form of chemical energy that, as we have said, begins with the sun. This chemical energy arises from two basic processes. In one process energy, a molecule that supplies energy—food, for example—is oxidized to release energy. In another process, energy is obtained by rearrangement of molecules without oxidation.

Oxidation is a process that removes electrons (negatively charged subatomic particles) or adds oxygen to a molecule. The electrons that are removed from a food molecule are used by some cells to make energy. This process requires oxygen. In other types of cells, a process called fermentation takes place. Fermentation is a series of chemical steps that also yield energy, but this happens in the absence of oxygen, so no overall oxidation takes place.

In both of these processes, a molecule is generated called adenosine triphosphate, or ATP. This is the molecule that has the stored energy in the form of chemical bonds. Figure 5.1 shows the chemical structure of ATP. There are three phosphate groups (triphosphate) bound to an adenosine group. The important parts of this molecule are the phosphate groups because this is where the chemical energy is stored.

When cells need energy for their many different functions, the ATP molecule serves as the supplier by releasing the chemical energy stored within its chemical bonds. However, in order to release this energy for cells to use, the bonds must be broken. Two new molecules result from the bond breakage of ATP. These two new molecules are called adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and phosphate (P). By breaking one of the phosphate bonds, energy is released. This general process is summarized in Figure 5.2. In contrast, the stored energy in food is required to make ATP. This is another energy cycle of life.

The steps involved in making, storing, and using energy require an initial energy source. In the case of animals, this energy source is food. The food molecules get oxidized in the body's cells in order to release electrons from them. These electrons are used to make the ATP molecule, and in turn ATP is used by cells for energy. This is another of the many cycles that take place in life.

It is important to know:

• how different organisms obtain energy
• which food molecules are best for different organisms
• what the requirements are for different tissues and organs for the more complicated organisms

So many people believe, without scientific proof, that carbohydrates are what we need for energy, and that eating more carbohydrates will give us more energy. Yet, most of us have had experiences that suggest this isn't true. That sugary afternoon snack comes to mind—afterward you don't feel so great because energy levels usually decrease after the initial "rush." This is a direct result of low blood sugar from the overproduction of insulin.

So let's take a look at how different organisms create energy, and find out just how important carbohydrates are to humans.

CELLS: PAST AND PRESENT

The Earth is approximately four and a half billion years old. In all that time, only two different cell types have evolved: prokaryotes and eukaryotes. Bacteria were the first cells to live on this planet, and they are the prokaryotes. Higher life-forms marked the beginning of eukaryotic cell development, and eukaryotic cells make up the cells in all animals.

The main difference between these two cell types is that eukaryotes have cellular organelles, and prokaryotes don't. (You may recall the term organelle from biology class. Some representative organelles are the nucleus, ribosome, golgi apparatus, and mitochondria.) Organelles are specialized compartments within eukaryotic cells; they have specific functions and are surrounded by semipermeable membranes to isolate them from other parts of the cell.

Prokaryotes are much simpler than eukaryotes. In prokaryotic cells, there are no specialized organelles. All of the biochemical functions required to sustain life take place inside the cell in a kind of "cell soup," and there is no separation of different components.

The differences between these two types of cells are important because they give us clues about energy production in humans and how that differs from bacterial cell energy production. There also are some important differences in how these types of cells produce energy to sustain life.

ENERGY PRODUCTION IN PROKARYOTIC CELLS

We hope readers are still with us! This background information is essential for understanding the production of energy in human cells and because it relates to many aspects of cancer that will be pre¬sented in chapter 10. [See for instance "Can a high-fat diet beat cancer" to get an idea]

Since bacteria, or prokaryotes, appeared on Earth before oxygen was available, they had to produce energy in the absence of oxygen. This is the process of fermentation. Any process that takes place in the absence of oxygen is called an anaerobic process.

Bacteria mainly use glucose as their energy source. Glucose is a six-carbon molecule. The biochemical steps related to breaking down glucose to obtain energy are called glycolysis. The word glycolysis comes from the Greek roots glycos, meaning "sweet," and lysis, meaning "loosening," so glycolysis literally means "the loosening or splitting of something sweet."

The accepted view throughout the biochemical and biological scientific literature is that glycolysis is a primitive process, thought to have begun very early in biological history, before cells evolved to have specialized organelles. However, glycolysis remains a very im¬portant aspect of energy production in advanced life-forms, and oc¬curs in almost every living cell. Most of the decisive work in discovering the glycolytic pathways was done in the 1930s by the German biochemists G. Embden, 0. Meyerhof, and 0. Warburg.

Remember how energy production involves making ATP to be used throughout the cell? The basic steps in turning glucose into ATP involve the splitting, or breakdown, of the glucose molecule into two new molecules, each containing three carbons. One of the products of this breakdown is called glyceraldehyde-3-phosphate. Glyceraldehyde-3-phosphate is the only product from the glucose breakdown that can be oxidized; hence, its metabolism is the key to understanding how ATP is generated from glucose.

Here's how it works: After glyceraldehyde-3-phosphate is formed, a series of metabolic steps involving numerous enzymes convert it into phosphoenol pyruvate (PIT). The phosphate group is removed from PEP at this point to yield another very important molecule, called pyruvate. This is the exact step where ATP is gen¬erated from the original glycolysis of glucose. At this stage, two ATP molecules are generated for every one glucose molecule that was broken down because there are two PEP molecules for every glucose molecule. The ATP molecules can now be used for differ¬ent energy purposes inside the cells.

There are many more biochemical steps in glycolysis that are known to occur, but they are beyond the scope of this book. Still, it's important to at least have a feel for what takes place inside the cell.

Back to pyruvate. This three-carbon molecule has various fates, depending upon what type of cell it's from and what energy needs the cell has.

In one anaerobic reaction, pyruvate gets converted to the mole¬cule lactate. Lactate is an end product of the anaerobic oxidation of glucose. You may already have heard of lactic acid—it's a by-product that builds up in muscle tissue during strenuous exercise. This occurs because when depleted of oxygen, the cells in muscle tissue begin to make energy anaerobically, just like the cells of bacteria, and they produce lactic acid as the by-product.

The breakdown of glucose to lactate is only one type of fermentation, but it happens to be the simplest chemical fermentation that is known, which is consistent with its designation as a very primitive process.

Another type of fermentation is one that produces ethyl alcohol, otherwise known as the alcohol that you drink. In this process, the six-carbon glucose molecule is broken down to a two-carbon mole¬cule, ethyl alcohol, and a one-carbon molecule, carbon dioxide (CO2). Two ethyl alcohol and two carbon dioxide molecules are formed from every one-glucose molecule. Yeast are the organisms that are used to make the fermentation products that many of us enjoy from time to time. Yeast are among the simplest eukaryotic organisms, and are ac¬tually very interesting. One of the reasons yeast use fermentation is for survival. In an overripe piece of fruit, for example, yeast will ferment the sugar deep within the fruit where there is little oxygen, which will generate alcohol. The alcohol kills any bacteria that are present, but the yeast survive. Once the yeast are exposed to oxygen after the fruit decomposes, the yeast can switch and use the alcohol for energy. They're very clever little organisms!

ENERGY PRODUCTION IN EUKARYOTIC CELLS

As time progressed on Earth, plants eventually emerged and began to produce oxygen as a by-product of their metabolism. Other or¬ganisms then adapted to the presence of oxygen, and a major change was made in the way that energy was produced. Oxygen became the fuel that drives the generation of ATP. Respiration is the name given to the process of obtaining energy in the presence of oxygen.

Everyone knows that we need oxygen to live. This is because oxy¬gen is used by the body's cells to produce energy by aerobic oxidation. Eukaryotes produce energy in the cellular organelles called the mito¬chondria. The mitochondria are perhaps the most important organelles in our bodies because they generate almost all of the energy we need to survive. Without them, our cells could not support life.

The proper function of the mitochondria is critical to human health, and carbohydrates and fat play key roles in mitochondrial metabolism. Now we will reveal just how cells produce energy and why carbohydrates are not required as a specific dietary factor in en¬ergy production. We will also take a look at different organs and what their energy needs are. We hope you're beginning to see that there's much more to the story of energy in your body than simply the idea that you need plenty of carbohydrates for fuel.

RESPIRATION AND MITOCHONDRIA

The process of respiration, that is, using oxygen to generate energy, appeared on the Earth after oxygen became available. Oxygen has the chemical ability to remove electrons from other molecules.

After the atmosphere on Earth became concentrated with oxygen, cells evolved to use this as a source of oxidation instead of using the fermentation pathway. Eukaryotic cells, present in organisms more complex than bacteria, emerged from these changes. Along with the formation of eukaryotic cells came the evolutionary breakthrough known as the mitochondria.

Mitochondria are the power plants of the cell. Because they pro¬duce most of the energy in the body, the amount of energy available is based on how well the mitochondria are working. Whenever you think of energy, think of all those mitochondria churning out ATP to make the entire body function correctly. The amount of mitochon¬dria in each cell varies, but up to 50 percent of the total cell volume can be mitochondria. When you get tired, don't just assume you need more carbohydrates; instead, think in terms of how you can maxi¬mize your mitochondrial energy production through respiration.

INSIDE THE MITOCHONDRIA

If you could shrink to a small enough size to get inside the mito¬chondria, what would you discover? The first thing you'd learn is that the mitochondria are primarily designed to use fat for energy! This is a very important point that we need to examine further.

Mitochondria were specifically designed to use fat for energy.


Exhibit 5.1

'The five major steps in producing ATP within the mitochondria
Step 1 Fuel source transported into mitochondria
Step 2 Fuel converted into acetyl-CoA
Step 3 Oxidation of acetyl-CoA to remove electrons
Step 4 Electrons transported through electron transport chain (or respiratory chain)
Step 5 Oxidative phosphorylation to produce ATP

ATP from the Mitochondria

The complete steps in making ATP within mitochondria are nu¬merous and very complicated, but a look at the five major parts of ATP production will be all that is needed for you to know how en¬ergy is created in our cells. These five steps are summarized in Exhibit 5.1. Each step is discussed in more detail below. Don't get bogged down with the scientific names. Just go with it for a while and you will see how it all fits together. Remember that these chemical steps are taking place thousands of times per second all over your body.

Step 1: Transportation of a Fuel Source into the Mitochondria Since the process of making ATP actually takes place inside the mitochondria, the necessary fuel must first be transported there. The fuel is either derived from glucose or from fatty acids. Fatty acids are the chemical name for fat. They have a charged acidic group on the end of them, which is why they are called fatty acids. Fatty acids can be saturated or unsaturated.

Fatty acids are transported into the mitochondria completely intact. L-carnitine is the compound necessary to transport medium-and large-sized fatty acids inside the mitochondria from the cell soup (called cytosol). Think of L-carnitine as a subway train that brings people into the city from the suburbs; likewise, L-carnitine brings fats into the mitochondria. L-carnitine is chiefly found in animal products. (Its name is derived from the Greek word carnis, meaning "meat" or "flesh.") L-carnitine is one of many very important substances that are only found in appreciable quantities in animal foods, which is another reason to eat foods derived from animals. We will discuss more of these substances throughout the book, particularly in the chapter on vitamins and minerals.

Once inside our cells, glucose gets broken down by the process of glycolysis, just as in bacteria. This breakdown takes place outside the mitochondria. Two possibilities may now occur. The product from glycolysis (pyruvate) can either move into the mitochondria to be oxidized, or it can be broken down to lactate outside the mitochondria by a fermentative process similar to the one described for bacteria.

To summarize this step: Fat is transported into the mitochondria as a complete, intact molecule. Glucose gets broken down outside the mitochondria, and the product of this glycolysis (pyruvate) either gets transported into the mitochondria, or it is used anaerobically to produce energy and the by-product lactate.

Step 2: Fuel Is Converted into Acetyl-CoA

After the fatty acids are inside the mitochondria, they are oxidized by a process called beta-oxidation. Remember: Oxidation means that electrons are removed from a molecule. In the beta-oxidation process, fats are broken down into two carbon molecules. This process releases electrons to be used in step two. Acetyl-CoA is the direct product from beta-oxidation of fats inside the mitochondria . When pyruvate enters the mitochondria from glycolysis, it must be converted into acetyl-CoA by an enzyme reaction. Acetyl-CoA is the starting point for the next cycle in the production of ATP inside the mitochondria.

Step 3: Oxidation of Acetyl-CoA and the TCA Cycle

The cycle that oxidizes the acetyl-CoA is called the TCA (tricar-boxylic acid) cycle. Electrons are removed from acetyl-CoA, and carbon dioxide (CO2) is generated as a by-product. Carbon dioxide is the oxidized product of acetyl-CoA. Carbon dioxide is the byproduct of mitochondrial respiration, and is eliminated from our bodies through our breathing or through our skin.

Step 4: Electrons Are Transported Through the Respiratory Chain

'The electrons obtained from the oxidation of acetyl-CoA, which ultimately came from fats or sugar, are shuttled through many molecules as part of the electron transport chain inside the mitochondria. Some of the molecules are proteins, while others are small, non-protein cofactor molecules. One of these cofactor molecules is an¬other important substance that is mainly found in animal foods. It is called coenzyme Q-10. Without coenzyme Q-10, mitochondrial res¬piration would be unable to function, and energy production would he minimal.

Step four also is the step where oxygen comes into play. Oxygen accepts the electrons at this stage and is then chemically reduced to water.

Step 5: Oxidative Phosphorylation

As electrons travel down the electron transport chain, they cause electrical fluctuations between the inner and outer membrane in the mitochondria. These chemical gradients, as they are sometimes called, are the driving force that produces ATP in the process called oxidative phosphorylation. ATP is made from ADP and a phosphate molecule (the reverse of its breakdown for energy), just like in bac¬teria. The ATP is transported outside the mitochodria for the cell to use as energy for any of its thousands of biochemical reactions.

These five steps are summarized in Figure 5.3. [see attached image]

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN, ANYWAY?

During their evolution, cells developed an organelle that specifically uses fat for energy. This suggests that using fat metabolism for energy production is part of a higher form of life. If there were no mitochondria, then fat metabolism for energy would be limited and not very efficient. Bacteria are able to use some fat for energy, but they prefer glucose and other easily oxidized carbon sources.

Fat is the fuel that allows animals to travel great distances, to hunt, work, and play. This is because fat gives more energy per molecule, therefore more ATP per molecule, than does sugar. It is biochemically self-evident that since we have mitochondria, we need to eat fat.

In the primitive anaerobic organisms that inhabited the earth billions of years ago (and still exist today), only two ATP are generated from every one molecule of glucose. Since there are six carbon atoms in glucose, this amounts to only one-third of an ATP generated per carbon atom.

Theoretically, this same glucose molecule will yield a total of thirty-six ATP molecules from mitochondrial respiration in the presence of oxygen. That's a very large increase in energy obtained from the same molecule by two different biochemical processes, and it amounts to six ATP molecules for each carbon of glucose.


Still, the energy obtained from fat is even greater. A fatty acid molecule with six carbon atoms would yield forty-eight ATP molecules from aerobic respiration inside the mitochondria. This amounts to eight ATP molecules for each carbon on a fat molecule. What we realize is that fat supplies more energy for the same amount of food, as compared to carbohydrates.

Think of it this way. Animals that are consumed by people have already used their own energy to make fat molecules, so people can get more benefit from eating animals. Even though carbohydrates from plants have some stored energy, it is less than animal fat. Why not eat more fat, fewer carbohydrates, and make your mitochondria function to full capacity as they were designed to do?

ENERGY CONSIDERATIONS IN DIFFERENT ORGANS

The Brain

Your brain uses between 150 and 200 grams of energy daily, mainly from glucose. Since we promote no more than 72 grams of utilizable carbohydrates per day, your body will need to make up the difference.

Fortunately, the body has many ways to do this. The first is a process called gluconeogenesis. This means "the new formation of glucose." The body can make glucose from amino acids obtained from proteins, or it can start with pyruvate. The signals to begin gluconeogenesis are sent out when glucose levels in the diet drop to low enough levels and the supply of glycogen in the liver is used up. Gluconeogenesis functions to bridge the gap until energy can be obtained from stored fat. With today's high-carbohydrate food intake, fat usage for energy is diminished. After reducing carbohy¬drates, it can take some time for the body to switch over to primar¬ily using fat for energy.

By reducing carbohydrate intake, the synthesis of glucose from protein is increased. The making of glucose is an anabolic process and requires energy to build up the glucose molecule from smaller pieces. We have already shown that, with adequate fat consump¬tion, large amounts of ATP will be generated in the mitochondria. This ATP can be used for gluconeogenesis.

This new pool of glucose can now be used for energy by the brain and other tissues. The beauty of this is that the glucose is made on an as-needed basis. This eliminates the excessive buildup of insulin and blood glucose levels that accompany excess carbohydrate consump¬tion. And, as we pointed out in chapters 3 and 4, excessive levels of insulin over a prolonged period of time can have dire consequences.

Many of our detractors have argued that the problem with this philosophy is that the body will use up too much protein, and muscle will wither away. This assertion is based on what is known about starvation. No one can argue against the fact that in times of starvation, the body will weaken and begin to wither away. But we're not talking about starvation. We're talking about a situation where there is plenty of protein available. After seeing the results of the low-carbohydrate diet on fat and muscle growth in thousands of people, we can confi¬dently assure our critics that no one has ever withered away. On the contrary, in the long run, people either lose fat or gain muscle—even very thin people.

Let's look at it another way. Would you rather have big muscles to supply protein for gluconeogenesis, or have big fat deposits from carbohydrates and use the stored fat for energy? Even if you choose the fat-deposit scenario, you'll have to reduce your carbohydrates in order to activate the glucagon and epinephrine hormones to burn the fat. There's just no avoiding low-carbohydrate nutrition if you want to obtain optimal health!

Another important, and often misunderstood, energy source in our cells are compounds called ketones. Ketones are generated from the breakdown of fatty acids in the mitochondria of liver cells and the addition of two acetyl-CoA molecules. These ketone "bodies," as they are sometimes called, are transported to various tissues through the bloodstream and converted back into acetyl-CoA to generate ATP again.

The presence of ketones in the blood and urine, a condition known as ketosis, has always been regarded as a negative situation, related to starvation. While it is true that ketones are generated during starvation conditions, they also are generated in times of plenty—but not plenty of carbohydrates. Since carbohydrate consumption suppresses lilt metabolism, ketones do not form. But in the absence of most car¬bohydrates in the diet, ketones will form from fat to supply energy. This is true even if large amounts of protein and fat are consumed in the diet, which is hardly a starvation condition.

Your brain, as well as other tissues, can use ketone bodies for energy. So here again we see that glucose is not necessary for energy, even for the brain. But Dr. Lutz has found that the benefits of low-carbohydrate nutrition only require 72 grams or so of carbohydrate per day. This amount is not usually low enough to require the body to make ketones for energy. Nonetheless, except in certain cases of people with metabolic diseases, ketosis is not something to fear. [a diet consisting of 90% of fats and proteins and 10% carbs is probably the amount required to be on ketosis, see for instance "Study finds eating fatty foods can help stop seizures"].

Remember that what is considered a "normal diet" today is based on a limited amount of data, all of which was acquired after humans already had begun eating too much carbohydrate. If you could take a trip back to the days before modern humans emerged, you might very well find that ketosis was more the normal metabolic state, and t hat today's human metabolic state is mostly abnormal.

The Heart and the Skeletal Tissue

It seems that no one really discusses energy in terms of organs other than the brain, which is always quoted as needing glucose. We never hear anything about the needs of the heart and Other organs. One of the body's best-kept secrets is that the heart uses fatty acids almost exclusively for energy, and these are saturated fat.1'2 This is a truly important point, and we think you can see why. How can people say that most healthy foods for the heart are low in fat, when the heart muscle is known to require fat in order to beat?

One reason could be that fatty acids can also be made from acetyl-CoA. Using this mechanism, the acetyl-CoA derived from glycolysis can make fatty acids as needed. However, it is known that fatty acid synthesis does not significantly contribute to the energy needs of the heart muscle cells.

The fact is, your heart needs fat from your diet to keep working. Low-fat diets that are also high in carbohydrate intake are probably the worst thing you could do for your heart, yet this is the prevail¬ing theory, promoted by numerous, often misinformed, organiza¬tions and people.

The single reason that the low-fat diet is so greatly promoted is this: fear of cholesterol. Yet this is but another widespread myth that's not really consistent with available information. The next chapter on heart disease will reveal just how weak the cholesterol theory is.


Then:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/140042-Can-a-High-Fat-Diet-Beat-Cancer-

where we read:

In 1924, the German Nobel laureate Otto Warburg first published his observations of a common feature he saw in fast growing tumors: unlike healthy cells, which generate energy by metabolizing sugar in their mitochondria, cancer cells appeared to fuel themselves exclusively through glycolysis, a less-efficient means of creating energy through the fermentation of sugar in the cytoplasm. ...

The theory is simple: if most aggressive cancers rely on the fermentation of sugar for growing and dividing, then take away the sugar and they should stop spreading. Meanwhile, normal body and brain cells should be able to handle the sugar starvation; they can switch to generating energy from fatty molecules called ketone bodies - the body's main source of energy on a fat-rich diet - an ability that some or most fast growing and invasive cancers seem to lack.

And: Study finds eating fatty foods can help stop seizures
For decades, doctors have struggled to find a reliable way to stop seizures but now, they think they may have found a big help in an unlikely place.

It's a special diet, called the "KETO" diet.

On this diet, 90% of your food comes from fat, bacon, heavy cream, mayonnaise and you're virtually forbidden from eating starches and sugars.

Because your brain is used to being powered by glucose, when you stop eating starches and sugars that contain glucose, the brain is effectively tricked into using a new power source, something called "ketones".

In many cases, these ketones seem to put a big damper on seizures.

There is still much we don't know about ketones and epilepsy. Right now, doctors are still investigating why ketone production suppresses seizures.

There's a video at the URL.


Here's a very important key that I bolded and made very big above, but bears repeating:

There are six carbon atoms in glucose - A glucose molecule will yield a total of thirty-six ATP molecules from mitochondrial respiration in the presence of oxygen. {Producing oxydation in the process.} ... it amounts to six ATP molecules for each carbon of glucose.

A fatty acid molecule with six carbon atoms would yield forty-eight ATP molecules from aerobic respiration inside the mitochondria. This amounts to eight ATP molecules for each carbon on a fat molecule. Sans oxidation, and sans the energy required to get the glucose into the cell.
 
Laura said:
Unless you are really thin and burn energy like crazy, a modest amount of ghee would have been sufficient.
Yep, learned that lesson the hard way.

Laura] Did you take your digestive enzymes when you ate? With all the carbs you have lived on for years said:
I think what I need to do is up my carbs some so that I don't need to rely on huge quantities of fat to keep my protein low. I'll try experimenting.

I don't think that's a good idea. Nothing will work if you do that. All the carbs will do is increase your craving for more food. You really need to grok how evil insulin is.
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I should have been more clear. I meant upping foundation vegetables, of which I'm barely eating any at the moment. I haven't experimented to find out my carb tolerance yet, preferring to just keep my carbs extra low (only an odd onion, garlic clove or some avocado once in awhile). Now I think I should slowly bring carbs up (through foundation veg) to find my tolerance, like your suggestion of mushrooms sauteed in ghee. I have no intention of ending ketosis, or even pushing it.

I just finished a lamb burger (144g ~ 27g protein) cooked in lots of lard and about 1/2 an avocado on the side. I certainly feel like I could have eaten more, would even have liked to have eaten more, but I'm sated enough. I guess the real test is how long it lasts me. I think this will take some getting used to.

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Hi All!

Does anyone know if cured bacon that is sold in Whole Foods stores is safe to eat without cooking ? Slavic kitchen has food called Salo (salt soaked/cured fatback of a pig) that is safe to eat uncooked. So, i was wondering if it is similar to cured bacon here sold in stores. Would be wonderful and easy source of fat.

Thank you.
 
dugdeep said:
I just finished a lamb burger (144g ~ 27g protein) cooked in lots of lard and about 1/2 an avocado on the side. I certainly feel like I could have eaten more, would even have liked to have eaten more, but I'm sated enough. I guess the real test is how long it lasts me. I think this will take some getting used to.

Some mushrooms sauteed in butter and green beans fried in bacon fat might have rounded things off a bit. Or, a half cup of macadamia nuts ... which generally finishes things for me and gives me some real chewing.

Thing is, everybody is going to be slightly different and will have to experiment to find their best level. My guess is that one needs to get the ketosis going and then gradually increase a few things if wanted to find the best operational level.

The problem is that most of us have very rusty carb-burning machines and they kick like mules at the forced changes.

I think the main point of restricting the protein to stimulate repair and healing is to optimize the healing of the gut. Of course, this also needs some serious attention in terms of supplementation for at least a year, according to Gedgaudas. Once the gut is healed, a lot of cross-reactive foods can be taken back.

I think that it is best to assume leaky gut exists in anyone who has eaten gluten or dairy for most of their life. So undertaking the healing of the gut is first priority. That may also require a slightly higher amount of protein!!! (I think) But only SLIGHTLY.
 
My meals today:

9 a.m.
1 can of sardines in native olive oil -- 25g protein

1 p.m.
90g of serrano ham with butter rolled inside -- 30g protein (thanks to Laura for this tasty idea)

5 p.m.
90g of smoked salvelinus/Saibling fish -- 30g protein
1 small cup of self-made mayonnaise with 2 egg yolks -- 5g of protein

Total: 90g protein. ~0 carb. Fat not counted.

After having some magnesium in the evening I'm feeling not hungry at all. However for my weight I'll try to reduce protein to 60g.
 
RedFox said:
I've been thinking about fats, and the nausea/diarrhea problem. I have a working hypothesis that I need to test out. It ties with what Trevrizent has been saying about being sensitive to Arachindonic Acid (an Omega 6)

I've been trying to work out how I can get instant nausea (followed by diarrhea) eating a small amount of standard ghee, but none when eating a large amount of organic ghee. Or how I can eat a lot of goose fat, yet when I had one that was not liquid at room temperature I had nausea followed by diarrhea. Or how I can eat (some) free range/grass fed (but not organic) butter, but other organic butter (supermarket own brand) causes almost instant diarrhea.

Given we know grain fed animals produce a lot of Omega 6 (in there fats), I'm starting to think that fat high in Omega 6 is the problem. That nausea and diarrhea (after eliminating liver/digestive problems) caused by fat is related to its Omega 6 content - based on what the animal ate.
This may explain why some people are sensitive to normal levels of Arachindonic Acid (an Omega 6) in meats, if the fats they are eating have too much Omega 6 in?

Can't prove any of this yet, but it is what's on my mind. Will be testing it out (going to make ghee out of the supermarket butter I can't eat, if I can't eat that its may be the Omega 6 content. Unless they put something else in?).

I probably should have talked about this sooner. I've been feeling depressed because I can't seem to "get on board" with this meat thing. I like fats am quite aware of it's benefits and know that carb is my kryptonite. So again upping fat and lowering carbs isn't the issue and I have no problem with that. Can't I get my fats and protein from small oily fish, chicken, turkey and occasional eggs cooked with ghee and coconut oil?
I am obviously not in optimal health. Though my health has improved tremendously over the years:no more knee aches and cystic breasts and I lost some weight. Incorporation of meats like chicken and turkey improved my iron deficiency but I still have some issues. For example, my fibrioids haven't gone away though they've shrunk with progesterone cream. My long controlled asthma however returned when i tried to incorporate red meat and I got bronchitis this weekend. The latter may just be a thing going around, but I was the only one that got it. Ennio thinks my problem may be because I not getting enough fat. Dunno what it all means yet. Suggestions welcome.

This arachidonic acid sensitivity is interesting. How does one deal with that if that were the case? I've been reading and rereading these diet threads. Ordered the books and the hubby is reading the vegetarian myth and I'm next so maybe I will gain more insight as I read. Life without bread and cutting the carbs isn't the issue as that is a no brainer. I did atkins several years ago (though with dairy and fish since I didn't eat meat then) and went into ketosis. When I went into maintenance stage I also learned that more than 74g carbs per day was a no no for me. With 72 being the limit per the book it's more than doable. So I was all excited to incorporate what we have been learning here regarding life without bread this time, especially since I have been dairy, bread free and beginning to incorporate meats. However, it's been difficult physically and psychologically. Chicken, turkey, small fatty fish are no problem but red meat makes me sick to my stomach and I get eczema like rashes in the creases of my arm and my on stomach. I reacted similarly to buckwheat last year and when I stopped eating it it went away. I thought maybe with this meat it was candida. I had been taking nystatin/fluconazole and rotating with other anticandida supplements for months. Once I stopped the red meat the rashes went away.

It helps to know that some my symptoms are not unique and lots of folks here are pushing and finding what works best. But I still feel inadequate because I just cannot tolerate what I keep reading as the best for my health-namely high quality fatty meats like pork and beef, etc. I did two straight weeks of pork, goat or lamb. We cook with butter or coconut oil and I worked at keeping under 20g of carbs. By the middle of the second week I had more energy and felt very little hunger but my stomach was in knots constantly. I actually vomited a few times at work shortly after eating red meat so I stopped last week. I wish I didn't have to eat at all. Basically beacon tastes really good but within 20 minutes the horrible stomach aches start, later diarrhea same with beef. Goat and lamb I tolerate better with no diarrhea but I still get bloating and slight nausea and after a few days of eating a small goat burger for lunch or breakfast my ankles feel swollen. Even eggs give me slight nausea but I can get away with it if if it is hard boiled, cold and drowned with mayonaise and salt.

Psychologically it has been weighing on me. I've been told that maybe it is difficult because I feel I am different and the diet doesnt' apply to me or I don't believe it deep down. There is some merit. I think the benefits of low carb and high fat diet does apply to me. However, deep down I am not sure red meat works for everyone and I am one of those for whom it doesn't work. I will say I also love green veggies and have had to struggle with cutting it down but managed to do it. It's also odd not having fruit in the house and I have adjusted to that. Instead I have coconut milk and pure coconut water (as my carb) and I don't react to coconut. We haven't had flaxseed or hemp milk and I even stopped buying my leafy greens because of what I am learning. I still have soft cooked zucchini, spaghetti squash or peas/ string beans while paying attention to the carbs but I am thinking of eliminating that those too to see if it helps.

With all of this going on I also had to get allergy tested for work because I carried an epi pen and worked with rodents. I had extreme reactivity to pork and beef. We did several different tests including skin and blood using three different assays. Though the skin test result for beef showed less sensitivity than the blood test, they came back consistently positive for reactivity along with dairy. I tested for all the things my daughter is also allergic to. I am not allergic to fish and fruits like she is and was told that family members will have allergies but to different things. At the time I didn't test for goat and lamb because there were concerns about my insect venom reactions during the tests which I had to do over several days. Based on how I have been the last few months I expect that I may react to the goat and lamb though not as extremely as pork. I've suspected that this could be leaky gut from years of a mostly vegetarian diet, psychological resistance etc, possibly even an infection from an unrecognized tick bite of the sort I've read on SOTT that confers red meat allergy. I am not sure if it would be arachidonic acid because I should react to turkey or butter/ghee which I don't. Or maybe it is the ghee even if I don't feel bad from it, I am after all allergic to milk. I will experiment there but I am wondering about emotional issues too and need to find a way to get over that if it is. One sign of an emotional issue for me was that I was reading an email where someone said something to the effect that they don't think vegetables should be eaten by anyone and it upset me. Or rather I took it a certain way and immediately thought, I shouldn't eat ANY vegetables at all???? I also keep thinking of when my daughter who has multiple allergies was resistant to eating seafood. She kept saying it made her feel ill and I thought she was just being resistant and kept trying to get her to eat it because I felt she needed the protein. Then she had a really bad reaction after multiple exposure and we learned that she was severely allergic. Now her lips will swell up if the utensil she uses touches fish. I felt horrible for putting her through that. I know my situation is not as extreme as hers, but my mind started going and I began to wonder if my feelings about mammalian meat comes from a similar place as my daughter's about seafood or is it just displaced identification and guilt.

I take digestive enzymes with meals, also been taking carnithine every day for over a year, glutamine off and on etc. Yet I still react to the meat. I don't know what to do. I just read the list of things that suggest HCL deficiency and will up that as well and see. All of this tells me that while I am intellectually in tune with the diet, my psychological issues around red meat (which I admit could be driving the physical reactions) leaves me feeling disconnected and wondering why I can't just get with it already.
 
brainwave said:
I take digestive enzymes with meals, also been taking carnithine every day for over a year, glutamine off and on etc. Yet I still react to the meat. I don't know what to do. I just read the list of things that suggest HCL deficiency and will up that as well and see. All of this tells me that while I am intellectually in tune with the diet, my psychological issues around red meat (which I admit could be driving the physical reactions) leaves me feeling disconnected and wondering why I can't just get with it already.

Stop everything and read "The Vegetarian Myth".


ADDED: Atriedes could only eat Veal and small amounts of calves' liver for the first three months of his healing process. And he was taking L-glutamine and pretty much the same supplements that Gedgaudas recommends for restoring the gut. He branched out to other meats slowly, and now Pork is his "super food".
 
brainwave said:
I take digestive enzymes with meals, also been taking carnithine every day for over a year, glutamine off and on etc. Yet I still react to the meat. I don't know what to do. I just read the list of things that suggest HCL deficiency and will up that as well and see. All of this tells me that while I am intellectually in tune with the diet, my psychological issues around red meat (which I admit could be driving the physical reactions) leaves me feeling disconnected and wondering why I can't just get with it already.

Brainwave, I'm really a newbie in what concerns diet and am trying to figure things out as well, so I hope I'm not leading you ashtray with my thoughts, but I think that if something is creating such strong reactions it is a message to stop consuming it or eat it with greater moderation. At least until any underlying unbalances are healed.
Personally, last year I had to basically stop eating fat for about 3 to 4 months, I had to trim the slightest, tiniest amount of fat from my meat, it would take me ages to cook because of that, but I just could not tolerate it. Fat would set a reaction within an hour. Having stopped it for a while really helped for some reason. My body definitely needed a break from it and managed to heal in its absence.
I don't know whether it is the case with you that read meat is just a temporary intolerance due to any internal damage/imbalance, or not, but you may need to step back for now?

Our bodies have had, through a lifetime, a very different treatment, so even though there are guidelines, these would have to be adapted to individual needs osit.

Edit: grammar and clarity
 
Thor said:
I am finally feeling the Atkins Edge and must say that I enjoy it. However, it is still as if the energy increases about 30 minutes after I eat a fatty meal and then gradually decreases 4-5 hours thereafter. Another thing I noticed was that after I did my FIR sauna today I was very tired and it felt like the Atkins Edge was quite dull - it was still there but not nearly as pronounced. Does anybody else have a similar reaction when using the FIR sauna. I was thinking that maybe the detox effect of the sauna took up some of the liver's capacity thereby reducing the resources available to turn fat into ketones, if that makes any sense :huh:

Hi Thor FWIW, the energy fail the you may have experienced could have been related to electrolyte stores being depleted, during your FRI Sauna session.

This article may provide some insight during your next encounter with your sauna. Best of luck in your detoxing.

Electrolyte Imbalance & Heavy Sweating
http://www.livestrong.com/article/368508-electrolyte-imbalance-heavy-sweating/

Overview

Sweating is a natural process needed for regulating body temperature. Any time your body temperature increases beyond its normal 98.6 degrees, the brain signals for sweat glands to release fluid and cool down the skin. Heavy sweating can cause dehydration and a loss in electrolytes. The more you sweat, the greater your risk of developing an electrolyte imbalance, and the more fluid you need to restore hydration.

Electrolytes
Electrolytes are minerals that carry an electrical charge, and exist in all the body's fluids. These minerals help regulate acidity in your blood, the amount of water in your body, control body temperature and regulate muscle contractions. Electrolytes in the body include sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, chloride and phosphorous. Electrolyte levels can be either too high or too low, depending on your body's water level.

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Electrolytes Lost Sweating
Any loss in fluid can result in an electrolyte imbalance. Moderate aerobic exercise can induce sweating at a rate of about 1 liter an hour, while high intensity exercise can cause a 1.5 to 2 liter loss of sweat each hour. When sweating, the body primarily loses the mineral sodium, but potassium levels may lower as well. A 2 liter loss in fluid will cause about a 4.6g loss in sodium.

Risks of Electrolyte Loss
An extreme electrolyte imbalance can lead to a disruption in your cells' ability to carry electrical charges in the nerves, heart and muscles. Severe cases of electrolyte loss can also lead to kidney failure. Symptoms of low electrolyte levels may include headaches and nausea, fatigue, poor concentration and reduced muscular function. Each of these factors can, in turn, result in reduced athletic performance.

Fluid Replacement
Adequate fluid is essential in the diet even without exercise because the body loses fluids through urination, defecation and even breathing. The average adult needs about eight 8-oz. glasses of water each day for adequate hydration. Exercisers need about 1 pint for every 1 lb. of sweat lost after exercise. Sports beverages that contain sodium and potassium are slightly better than just water for replacing lost electrolytes, but your primary goal should be to restore fluids before you reach a state of thirst.
 
brainwave said:
But I still feel inadequate because I just cannot tolerate what I keep reading as the best for my health-namely high quality fatty meats like pork and beef, etc.

Well, I hope you'll let go of this inadequacy idea and be patient and gentle with yourself as it seems like you've got a double whammy to contend with - an intolerance to beef & pork [though hopefully temporary?] and psychological/emotional elements to contend with as well.

I'm also having a hard time with the psychological/emotional elements myself and have started trying to research and work through them. I know that some of my resistence is due to starvation diets that I've done in the past when I was a flight attendant years ago and was required to maintain an abnormally low body weight. As a result of that experience, anytime I feel like I have to deprive myself of food, I have anxiety and resistence around it. We know there are certainly physiological reasons for cravings but there are also psychological factors for many of us too. Fwiw, here's some info I found that may be helpful. Though it is geared around overeating, I think some of the emotional aspects are applicable and it may be useful in working through this.

A majority of people who overeat think they have a “willpower problem” – but they really don’t. If you can’t seem to control your appetite, willpower is NOT your issue. The problem is, we don’t really eat when we eat – we forget to notice, taste, and enjoy our food. The brain interprets this missed experience of eating as “hunger” – and it drives us to eat more.

Approximately 98% of all people who lose weight on a weight loss diet gain it back within 1-2 years. When you question the 2% of people who keep that weight off long term, they have one fascinating thing in common – something powerful in their life story changed. This can mean a new career, letting go of an outdated relationship, embracing a new and positive one, moving to a new state, or changing their beliefs about who they are and how life works.


40-60% of our metabolic power at any meal – meaning our ability to digest, assimilate and calorie burn - comes from something called the Cephalic Phase Digestive Response – which is a scientific term for taste, pleasure, aroma, satisfaction, and our visuals of a meal. So, doing the math, if we don’t receive this very intimate and subjective experience of eating, we are metabolizing at only 40-60% efficiency – a stunning statistic.


Pleasure is a nutritional requirement. All organisms on planet Earth are programmed at the most primitive level of nervous system physiology to “seek pleasure and avoid pain”. The problem is, when we aren’t receiving “Vitamin P” – pleasure from our food – perhaps because we’re following a punishing diet or not savoring our meals, the brain interprets this missed experience of pleasure as “hunger”, and we are driven to eat more.


When you eat is as important as what you eat. This is known as Bio- Circadian Nutrition. Simply put, we are designed to digest, assimilate and calorie burn most efficiently between the hours of 12:00-1:30pm. That’s why many traditional cultures wisely and instinctively have their biggest meal at mid-day. So, if you have a tiny breakfast, small or moderate lunch, and a huge dinner, you are setting up the ideal conditions for weight gain


Stress depletes nutrition. Simply put, anxiety, rushing, forcing, pushing, and negative self talk all put the body in the physiologic fight-or-flight response. In this stress state, vitamins and minerals are excreted, blood flow to the digestive organs dramatically decreases, calorie burning is slowed, and hormones that signal the body to gain weight are produced. Our mental/emotional state has powerfully influenced our nutritional metabolism, regardless of the good and healthy food we may have eaten


Relaxation is the optimum state of digestion and assimilation. Amazingly enough, the body is optimally designed by evolution to metabolize a meal and burn calories under “parasympathetic dominance”, also know as the physiologic “relaxation response”. So, the question is, are you a relaxed eater, or an anxious and hurried one?


There’s a simple technique that can powerfully transform the nutritional status of every American. 5-10 long slow deep breaths will quickly – in less than a minute – shift the body from a stress state of poor digestion and low calorie burning, to a relaxation state of high nutritional metabolism. This is a “must-learn” technique from the new field of Mind Body Nutrition.

Negative self talk about food or the body – can actually generate a placebo response that causes the body to create the very thing we fear. So for example, if you are constantly living in fear of gaining weight, you will produce consistent elevated levels of the stress associated hormones cortisol and insulin, which both signal the body to store weight, store fat, and to refrain from building muscle. Our fears can literally create a metabolic reality.

http://www.spencerinstitute.com/food-psychology-coach-certification-program.htm


Where do food cravings come from? Many research studies suggest that mental imagery may be a key component of food cravings -- when people crave a specific food, they have vivid images of that food. Results of one study showed that the strength of participants' cravings was linked to how vividly they imagined the food. Mental imagery (imagining food or anything else) takes up cognitive resources, or brain power. Studies have shown that when subjects are imagining something, they have a hard time completing various cognitive tasks. In one experiment, volunteers who were craving chocolate recalled fewer words and took longer to solve math problems than volunteers who were not craving chocolate. These links between food cravings and mental imagery, along with the findings that mental imagery takes up cognitive resources, may help to explain why food cravings can be so disruptive: As we are imagining a specific food, much of our brain power is focused on that food, and we have a hard time with other tasks.

New research findings suggest that that this relationship may work in the opposite direction as well: It may be possible to use cognitive tasks to reduce food cravings. The results of one experiment revealed that volunteers who had been craving a food reported reduced food cravings after they formed images of common sights (for example, they were asked to imagine the appearance of a rainbow) or smells (they were asked to imagine the smell of eucalyptus). In another experiment, volunteers who were craving a food watched a flickering pattern of black and white dots on a monitor (similar to an untuned television set). After viewing the pattern, they reported a decrease in the vividness of their craved-food images as well as a reduction in their cravings.

According the researchers, these findings indicate that "engaging in a simple visual task seems to hold real promise as a method for curbing food cravings." The authors suggest that "real-world implementations could incorporate the dynamic visual noise display into existing accessible technologies, such as the smart phone and other mobile, hand-held computing devices." They conclude that these experimental approaches may extend beyond food cravings and have implications for reducing cravings of other substances such as drugs and alcohol.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100517172300.htm

Hang in there! :flowers:
 
Laura said:
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I wonder if we were actually supposed to derive psychological pleasure from food as we have been programmed to believe we deserve?

When sugar and alcohol seem to provide the greatest "pleasure" you do have to wonder. But then I have always liked to eat fat, too. When food is unprocessed, health value and appeal seem to be connected. I have never much cared for plant foods, but I ate them because they were "good for me." That especially goes for fruit.

I dunno. Just asking. All I know is that I spent nearly my entire life hungry and thinking about food. I didn't realize that my brain was doing this because I wasn't getting nutrition due to leaky gut, gluten, casein, etc. For me, the relief of being free of these intrusive thoughts about food - planning, anticipating, preparing, eating etc - far outweighs any boredom I might have with the food I'm eating.
...

I have finally made sense of an old memory, dating back as far as 6 or 7 years old, if not before. Every day my blood sugar would crash in the afternoon before dinner, and I was told to just shut up about it. It was miserable. And now I know that the food I was eating was the cause, and that the damage had already begun even at that age.
 
brainwave said:
I take digestive enzymes with meals, also been taking carnithine every day for over a year, glutamine off and on etc. Yet I still react to the meat. I don't know what to do.

Perhaps some of the physical issues are due to a sluggish liver?

Maybe try Dr. Gaby's Recommended Sluggish Liver Protocol? :)

Milk thistle 140mg (with 80% silymarin) three times per day
ALA 100mg twice a day
Vitamin E 800 IU per day
Vitamin C 4-6g per day
Magnesium 400-1200mg (up to bowel tolerance)
Digestive enzymes (which you've said you're taking)
 
Gertrudes said:
Personally, last year I had to basically stop eating fat for about 3 to 4 months, I had to trim the slightest, tiniest amount of fat from my meat, it would take me ages to cook because of that, but I just could not tolerate it. Fat would set a reaction within an hour. Having stopped it for a while really helped for some reason. My body definitely needed a break from it and managed to heal in its absence.

Yes, Atriedes could not tolerate the fat either for about the same length of time. He was eating lean veal, though it was fried in duck fat usually. He ate in very small amounts several times a day. He was taking L-glutamine several times a day and slippery elm.

A really damaged gut is a vicious cycle that is hard to get out of. You need the nutrients that you cannot process to heal the damage so you can process the nutrients to heal!
 
Black Swan said:
I'm also having a hard time with the psychological/emotional elements myself and have started trying to research and work through them.

I thought that was a problem too until I experienced the end of cravings with adequate fats in the diet and drastically reduced carbs. I also noticed, as others have, that it is the carbs themselves that create the cravings. Of course, some people may have a much stronger psychological component, but as I mentioned before, a whole lot of issues with vague and persistent "longings" or feelings of lack of fulfillment in all kinds of areas of life just go away with the healing of the gut, intake of proper nutrition that actually digests properly, and the subsequent sorting out of brain chemistry. It's like the chicken/egg question.

The idea that overeating is psychological is addressed in "Rethinking Thin". I suggest that everyone read that book too for some hard core info about dieting and cravings, especially about starvation diets.
 
Thor said:
I am finally feeling the Atkins Edge and must say that I enjoy it. However, it is still as if the energy increases about 30 minutes after I eat a fatty meal and then gradually decreases 4-5 hours thereafter. Another thing I noticed was that after I did my FIR sauna today I was very tired and it felt like the Atkins Edge was quite dull - it was still there but not nearly as pronounced. Does anybody else have a similar reaction when using the FIR sauna. I was thinking that maybe the detox effect of the sauna took up some of the liver's capacity thereby reducing the resources available to turn fat into ketones, if that makes any sense :huh:

One thing that I've noticed for the last couple of weeks is that sauna FIR sessions result in a somewhat 'dryer' response. Less toxins coming out?

In terms of moving on to increasing carbs to find my carb tolerance level (when weight loss stops), I think I'll pass that one by, as I've experenced no weight loss and, apart from adding in more variety of 'fuel', it's likely at the expense of complete proteins ('meat' source). In fact, by meeting my daily protein amount, my carb level has decreased. It would appear that the protein level is the crucial factor in determining how many carbs you eat, if you want to enter ketosis. It feels as if I'm there. :rockon:

brainwave said:
... Incorporation of meats like chicken and turkey improved my iron deficiency but I still have some issues. For example, my fibrioids haven't gone away though they've shrunk with progesterone cream. My long controlled asthma however returned when i tried to incorporate red meat and I got bronchitis this weekend. The latter may just be a thing going around, but I was the only one that got it. Ennio thinks my problem may be because I not getting enough fat. Dunno what it all means yet. Suggestions welcome.

This arachidonic acid sensitivity is interesting. ...

Arachidonic acid is absent in chicken and turkey (and fish), it is primarily found in the fat of red meat (grain fed), and egg yolks. At the moment I eat chicken breast, all of turkey, cured pork, and lamb, plus a selection of fish types - fatty ones such as sardines and mackerel are definitely OK.

Plus I've just started supplementing with L-glutamine. When I've read more of PBPM, and sorting the leaky gut, etc, I'll experiment with red meats again.
 

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