"Life Without Bread"

  • 0.95 g/kg is quite low, though I was so happy when I saw that as I'd not have to spend so much on meat, and be able to put more money into books. Still, I am thinking that it might not be enough to sate my appetite. Although I can't be sure that what I *think* my hunger and appetite is is actually connected to my leptin levels. So I'll up the fat and see how it goes.


    Alana said:
    Another interesting thing since lowering carbs to the minimum, is that my skin breaks in pimples, especially around my head hair line and my neck. So I think it might be a body detox reaction in the end. But it is still bizarre that both rashes and break-outs are localized. I'll keep observing. I started writing down everything I eat today and how I feel/what observations I make regarding skin, moods, etc, so I hope to have more information to share soon.

    Same here! Pimples and greasy forehead. At the same time also having constipation problems (Exactly the time I started going <20g carbs). With clues in the posts here on HCl supplementation for digestion I went to google. Then I read somewhere about acne being a symptom of low stomach acid, amongst a few other things already mentioned (Another article that I read said that another indicator was a low appetite for meat, which some have been experiencing I think):

    http://www.health-truth.com/225.php said:
    Common Symptoms Of Low Hydrochloric Acid

    Bloating or belching, especially after eating
    Burning in the stomach, especially after eating
    Fullness or heaviness in the stomach after eating
    Nausea after eating or taking supplements
    Intestinal gas
    Indigestion
    Bad breath
    Diarrhea or constipation
    Food allergies
    Itching around the rectum
    Weak or cracked fingernails
    Dilated blood vessels in the cheeks or nose (in nonalcoholics)
    Skin break-outs or acne
    Iron deficiency
    Chronic intestinal parasites
    Undigested food in the stool
    Chronic Candida infection
    Plus another here http://bodyecology.com/articles/low_stomach_acid_symptoms.php

    So again I see the same HCl supplementation guide on that site:

    The Hcl Program

    If HCL supplements are required, the dose needed may sometimes be much more than we would assume. PLEASE USE THIS APPROACH WITH CAUTION. IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF THE PROCEDURE OR UNSURE OF YOUR REACTIONS PLEASE CALL US! PROLONGED INGESTION OF EXCESS HCL CAN CAUSE A GASTRIC ULCER SO USE THIS DATA CAREFULLY!

    The goal of this procedure is to bring your stomach acid levels back to normal and in doing such stimulate you own body to produce the stomach acid naturally so that you do not need to be dependent on the pills.

    Burning, stomach pain, acid stomach, nauseousness/queasiness, constipation, loose stool, burning stool or rectum, acid reflux can all be symptoms of taking too much HCL. When this occurs you must lower the dose as you have gone past the dose that is correct for you!

    NOTE: Apple cider vinegar can be used in combination or as a substitute for HCL pills.


    Take 1 HCL tab per meal.
    If no burning, stomach pain, acid stomach, nauseous ness/queasiness, constipation, loose stool, burning stool or rectum, acid reflux occurs, raise to 2 per meal.
    Continue raising (3, 4, 5, etc. per meal) until burning burning, stomach pain, acid stomach, nauseous ness/queasiness, constipation, loose stool, burning stool or rectum, acid reflux occurs.
    Lower the dose by 1 per meal until no burning, stomach pain, acid stomach, nauseous ness/queasiness, constipation, loose stool, burning stool or rectum, acid reflux occurs. It is not unusual to be taking 5-20 per meal.
    Continue whatever dose you're on until burning, stomach pain, acid stomach, nauseous ness/queasiness, constipation, loose stool, burning stool or rectum, acid reflux occurs. This is a sign that your stomach is starting to produce acid on its own again.
    Continue lowering your dose by 1 per meal until no acid or burning occurs. Stay on this dose until burning, stomach pain, acid stomach, nauseous ness/queasiness, constipation, loose stool, burning stool or rectum, acid reflux occurs, and again lower by 1 per meal.
    Continue this procedure until you see your nutritionist again.

The problem is, no pharmacy here stocks HCl, and a sales rep there told me that supplementation of HCl doesn't exist since it is "naturally produced by the body." Supplementations are that, to supplement, right? Weird. So anyway, I took some ACV with water instead, and this morning after breakfast, voila, bowel movement! I also read somewhere that ACV has pectin to help with bowel movement, so I'm not sure if my low acid was really fixed or not.

Additionally, during the very low carb induction phase as well, I was feeling ill from smoking. The connection between candida and tobacco came to mind, specifically Kniall's post from the Anti-Candida thread:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic said:
Superhuman people enjoy tobacco, the reason for this is that the Candida infection causes allergies to tobacco smoke, first and second hand. Doctors speculate that 60-80% of the American population suffer from Candida. I have once suffered from Candida and had loathed the smell of tobacco smoke, it seemed downright nasty, I was convinced smoking is bad. Now that I am free of Candida I love the smell of tobacco smoke, even if it is from nasty chemical ridden cigarettes like Newport and Marlboro, they still smell damn good, though I would never smoke such nasty things. I smoke roughly 2 packs a day of natural tobacco. I understand well that I absorb vitamin B3 from nicotine, all of the "health benefits" of Vitamin B3 are the "Health Consequences" of smoking (supressed appetite, regulated nervous system, faster metabolism, detoxification of the blood cappilaries.) I understand that people with Candida suffer allergies to tobacco smoke because the smoke itself is cleaning them of the Candida, creating a detox reaction. According to Dr. Saleh Naser, nicotine is anti-viral, I understand that vitamin B3 is both anti-viral and anti-fungal. They say that nicotine even cures Tuberculosis:

Sure enough, I started enjoying smoking again right after taking the ACV. I hope that it's not some kind of placebo effect and that the weak acid problem will resolve itself without additional HCl. Otherwise, I'd have to order it from iHerb, but that takes 2 weeks. :(

The acne is still there too, it'll take some time to clear up and if it does, It'll probably mean that the ACV is doing a good job with my stomach.
 
Alana said:
For sure! And I am Alana ;)

Sorry Alana !

About the 0.8 figure per kilo, I'm also concerned that it seems to low. I don't have a scale but I should weight around 44, 45kg. Multiplying that for 0.8 gives me around 36g of protein a day. I honestly can't eat that little, I would absolutely starve :/ Unless I substitute part of the meat with carbs, but that's not the point of course.

Added: I cut down on meat this morning but the relatively small portion of liver I just ate, had a total of 30g of protein.
 
I've done a search about rashes in the Cayce database. There's 25 entry and often he correlate the rashes with a lack of elimination. So I think it's a good direction to look for.

Here's a sample (1747-4) woman 36:
EC: Yes, we have the body, [1747].
While physical conditions have improved in some respects, there are still those disturbances existent in the gall duct area that cause the inflammation or infection to flare up at times; causing an irritation in the superficial circulation by the lack of COORDINATION in the superficial and the cerebrospinal or deeper circulation - in the ELIMINATING centers of the system.
So, by this incoordination, properties that should be eliminated through alimentary canal or through kidneys, or through the respiratory system, are attempted to be eliminated through the perspiratory system or the superficial circulation.
Hence the rashes that are produced, the itches at times, the splotches and bumps that occur on portions of the body, - as on the abdomen, portions of the breast and the like.

These as we find become quite aggravating, more than disturbing in any other manner.
Then, - we would consistently take ENO SALT in series, as a means of stimulating the eliminations. Take a teaspoonful in a glass of water each morning before the meal, for a week - seven days. Then leave off for five days, then take again for seven days, - and so on.
After the second series, and during that period of rest, have at least two deep osteopathic manipulations; with the character of treatment to DRAIN the gall duct.
Following these, begin to take Olive Oil in small quantities, - half to a teaspoonful three to four times each day, - for at least a period of two weeks.
Then have a thorough colonic irrigation.
After that we would have about six to eight GENERAL osteopathic treatments.
And we will find bettered conditions will come about for this body.
In the matter of the diet, - do not take fried foods or quantities of grease, or vegetables cooked with meats. Rather cook the foods in their own salts.
These as we find should bring better conditions for this body, [1747].
[...]

Keep in mind that Cayce cures are specific to the one asking.
 
dugdeep said:
These protein figures from PBPM are a revelation! This may explain the rough ride I've been having lately, even though I'm sure I transitioned months ago. 25g of protein per meal - I'm easily going well over that regularly. 3 eggs and 5 strips of bacon, a normal breakfast for me, is 33g of protein (according to nutritiondata.com), so I'm overshooting the ideal figure at the start of every day!

I was doing that too and having a rough time. Cutting back on the protein really made a difference within a couple of days.


dugdeep said:
This means a 6oz steak should never be eaten at one sitting. And 6ozs is not a particularly large steak (I regularly eat double that). Considering I was usually aiming for 2/3 of a pound of meat per meal, if I'm not having anything with it, I'm having a tough time imagining being satisfied on only 25g of protein per meal. I probably get more like 50g in an average meal. I'm picturing eating lard with a spoon with a small 3oz steak on the side. Is that what our meals should be looking like?

How about a three oz steak with an ounce or two of fat on it and a side of mushrooms sauteed in butter or ghee?

Do notice that she says that those who are nutritionally compromised do need more, but not a whole lot.

dugdeep said:
You know, I'm definitely starting to question this number. I'm wondering if she's taking the need for gluconeogenesis into the equation. 25g of protein per meal may cover the body's protein needs for repair and hormones, etc., but what about the brain's glucose needs?

She covers that. Read the book.

dugdeep said:
According to Lyle McDonald, once in ketosis, the brain needs about 40g of glucose per day (the rest of its energy coming from ketones). It's getting that from carbs, or it's creating it from protein converted into glucose (gluconeogenesis) as well as getting some from the glycerol in triglycerides (fat). By his calculations, a ketogenic body needs to get about 20g of glucose from protein per day if no carbs are coming in. If we're taking in 75g of protein per day (3 meals at 25g per meal), that's only 55g left for all the body's protein needs. Is that enough?

Read the book. It's her discussion about the mTOR pathway. Re-read the following again (and she references the studies in the book).

Hot off the Press In just the past couple of years, a brand-new and extremely important metabolic pathway was discovered. Researchers were studying a naturally occurring substance known as rapamycin, which is synthesized from soil bacteria, as it was able to demonstrate some fairly powerful cancer-inhibiting properties. Drug companies were extremely interested in finding out how it worked and accidentally stumbled across this new, previously unknown metabolic pathway, now referred to as mTOR, which stands for “mammalian target of rapamycin.” Much as insulin serves as a sort of default sugar sensor and leptin serves as the body’s fat sensor, mTOR (it turns out) serves as the body’s protein sensor, monitoring the availability of protein, or amino acids (particularly the branched-chain amino acids, most notably leucine, as well as methionine), for growth and reproduction.

It is also influenced by insulin levels, impacting IgF-1 activity, and is part of a related metabolic pathway. When protein levels are detected that exceed our basic maintenance requirements, the excess levels up-regulate the activity of the mTOR pathway, stimulating cellular proliferation and adverse (from a longevity standpoint) mitochondrial effects. Increased insulin also has this effect, and the mTOR protein belongs to what is known as the P13K pathway, which is activated by insulin, nutrients, and growth factors. mTOR has a central role in the regulation of cell growth and protein synthesis. It essentially activates our reproductive and cell-proliferating capacity.

It makes sense that dietary protein in excess of what is needed for maintenance and repair would send a message that it might be a good time to reproduce or make more cells. It is well known that animals in the wild whose diets are restricted by reduced food availability also typically have fewer young or may even fail to reproduce in a particular year, depending upon the available energy supply. Protein availability seems to be the key limiting factor. What is less stimulating of reproductive processes, however, is ultimately more stimulating of individual regeneration, repair, and enhanced mitochondrial function. This is where it gets interesting.

A recent study stated, “It has been shown that limiting dietary amino acids, specifically methionine, inhibits signaling through mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) thereby decreasing mitochondrial damage and protein translation” (Rosedale et al. 2009).

The effect, in plain language, is slowed aging and improved health. Again, cellular proliferation occurs mainly under three circumstances: reproduction (DNA replication and pregnancy); growth, as, for example, in children; and cancer. A presentation on April 14, 2008, at the American Association for Cancer Research annual meeting revealed that modified caloric restriction may offer a protective effect against the development of epithelial cancers.

Epithelial cancers, also known as carcinomas, arise in the tissue that lines the surfaces and cavities of the body’s organs, and they make up 80 percent of all cancers. “Calorie restriction and obesity directly affect activation of the cell surface receptors’ epidermal growth factor and insulin-like growth factor,” explained study coauthor Tricia Moore, a graduate student in the Department of Carcinogenesis at the University of Texas’s M. D. Anderson Cancer Center. “These receptors then affect signaling in downstream molecular pathways such as Akt and mTOR. Calorie restriction, which we refer to as negative energy balance, inhibits this signaling, and obesity, or positive energy balance, enhances signaling through these pathways, leading to cell growth, proliferation, and survival.”

If, however, the dietary protein level stays below this threshold, ancient mechanisms kick in that are designed to help us outlive an apparent famine, which then shuts down cellular proliferation and up-regulates, instead, repair and regeneration.

This process signals an effort to keep us healthy enough, long enough, so that our cells can reproduce another day. Our energy is conserved through maintaining our own cellular repair instead of making new cells. That’s what we want! We want just enough protein to meet the demands of our own repair, regeneration, and basic maintenance needs that can extend our own longevity, enhance our own health, and possibly even reverse signs of aging, but not so much that we up-regulate mTOR.

And we always want to keep insulin levels as low as possible.

So, how much is just enough? For most adults the RDA, roughly 0.8 g per kilogram (2.2 pounds) of ideal body weight (e.g., 150-pound ideal body weight (68 kg) × .8 g = 54 g), is probably sufficient for 97.5 percent of the adult population (one of the rare RDAs worth paying some attention to). The average would lie somewhere between 45 and 60 g of actual protein per day for the majority of adults. One study noted that the amount of protein needed to effectively retain lean tissue mass and quality physical performance in athletes was closer to 1.2 to 1.7 g/kg daily, translating to 60 to 80 g of protein per day, assuming adequate mineral intake (Phinney 2004). The same study also noted negative effects if this level of daily protein was exceeded by more than 25 percent of the daily energy expenditure, citing a drop in performance and suppression of ketogenesis. Note: Keep in mind that when we’re talking about grams of protein, we’re not saying grams of meat or fish. Protein is only a part of what makes up meat or fish. Fat, water, and many other nutrient components make up a piece of meat or fish.

dugdeep said:
This question is important because, if the body isn't getting enough protein from food, it starts catabolizing muscle tissue. None of us are going to last long if we're eating our own muscle tissue.

Read the book and the referenced studies before getting worked up! And then, experiment a little! See how you feel.
 
Alana said:
My rashes are not itchy, and they are concentrated on one area of my skin. Some days they appear faded, other days they are more red, and I still haven't figured out what "irritates" them. Except for one thing: sauna. Every time I do the sauna, they get more pronounced. I don't know if it's the heat or the sweating. But some days they are pronounced even without the sauna use, or heat or sweating :huh:

I had this as well and thought it to be toxins releasing up through my skin. It was usually in the crook of my right arm. I would also get this rash after eating certain things. I think now it was toxins releasing and gut permeability. I haven't had a rash there now for at least two months, since I started cutting out carbs. I think my gut is healing, thus no rash. I do still have a facial blemish now and again, which I also think is toxins being released from my fat stores since I'm losing weight.

I think a lot is released out through our skin.
 
Gertrudes said:
About the 0.8 figure per kilo, I'm also concerned that it seems to low. I don't have a scale but I should weight around 44, 45kg. Multiplying that for 0.8 gives me around 36g of protein a day. I honestly can't eat that little, I would absolutely starve :/ Unless I substitute part of the meat with carbs, but that's not the point of course.

Added: I cut down on meat this morning but the relatively small portion of liver I just ate, had a total of 30g of protein.

Just wanted to check that you realise 30g of protein is about 100g of meat?

I had 2 eggs and about 50-75g (pre cooked weight) of bacon pieces for breakfast fried in 50g of organic ghee (non organic ghee causes me diarrhea), which worked out about 25-35g of protein and I was utterly stuffed. Just worked out the calories, and its roughly 850 for that meal (400 for the fat, 250 for the meat, 200 for the eggs).
I'm only getting hungry at about 3.30pm today - so its onto the chicken wings/carrots smothered in ghee.
Having enough fat seems to be the key to this.....getting to the stage where I can eat that much fat in one go has taken a while though.

Normally I would have eaten (and I realise now perhaps I was forcing it) 150g-200g of bacon pieces (45-55g of protein) with breakfast. Interestingly enough I actually noticed today that my stomach said 'stop' (very quietly) at about 50g of meat.....my energy levels have been a lot higher today because of it!
 
Laura said:
How about a three oz steak with an ounce or two of fat on it and a side of mushrooms sauteed in butter or ghee?

Do notice that she says that those who are nutritionally compromised do need more, but not a whole lot.

I'll try something like that. I guess zero carb isn't totally doable after all. In a round about way we do need some carbs (or at least I do).

[quote author=Laura]

Read the book.[/quote]

It's on deck, right after I finish TASLCL. I'm not a particularly fast reader, unfortunately, although I bought some software that teaches you to speed read, so hopefully this will change :D

[quote author=Laura]
Read the book and the referenced studies before getting worked up! And then, experiment a little! See how you feel.
[/quote]

Well, I did experiment a little after reading this last night. I made a chicken stew for dinner and took a smaller portion of chicken than I usually would and added a big glob of ghee to try to make up for the smaller portion. This morning I woke up at 5am with the worst nausea I've ever experienced. I actually tried to make myself vomit to try to relieve it, I was so uncomfortable, but it didn't work (I've never really been able to do that).

I ended up getting relief by brewing a cup of herbal tea designed for digestive relief. It has peppermint and ginger and some other herbs. Just the smell of it started to bring some relief and after I drank half a cup my stomach was calmed down enough to go back to sleep.

I know a few people in this thread have said that liquid fat seems to be a problem for them in large quantities, so that might be the reason for this bad reaction (the broth was mostly fat). I think what I need to do is up my carbs some so that I don't need to rely on huge quantities of fat to keep my protein low. I'll try experimenting.

I have absolutely no appetite today, unsurprisingly.
 
RedFox said:
Just wanted to check that you realise 30g of protein is about 100g of meat?

Yes, in my case it was 148g of chicken liver. Although this is usually a meal that keeps me for the whole day, I'm not yet hungry and it's 5pm. I'll only need to eat in a couple of hours.

Redfox said:
I had 2 eggs and about 50-75g (pre cooked weight) of bacon pieces for breakfast fried in 50g of organic ghee (non organic ghee causes me diarrhea), which worked out about 25-35g of protein and I was utterly stuffed. Just worked out the calories, and its roughly 850 for that meal (400 for the fat, 250 for the meat, 200 for the eggs).
I'm only getting hungry at about 3.30pm today - so its onto the chicken wings/carrots smothered in ghee.
Having enough fat seems to be the key to this.....getting to the stage where I can eat that much fat in one go has taken a while though.

I often have a breakfast of 2 eggs and 3 medium thick slices of bacon and that also keeps me up for most of the day. I think what I need to do is start including more eggs and a few more vegetables. I pretty much found my fat limit intake for now, I know that if I have more I'll get stomach cramps and nausea. Unless I eat cold fat in between meals.
I'm thinking of keeping my upper limit protein intake at about 40, 45g maximum though, rather then the 36g suggested by my weight. Although I'm not an athlete, my job is all about physical activity, so that may require for a little bit more. I'll have to experiment.
Good to hear that you're digesting fat better though.

Redfox said:
Normally I would have eaten (and I realise now perhaps I was forcing it) 150g-200g of bacon pieces (45-55g of protein) with breakfast. Interestingly enough I actually noticed today that my stomach said 'stop' (very quietly) at about 50g of meat.....my energy levels have been a lot higher today because of it!

Yes, several of you are mentioning feeling better with less protein, and re reading the quotes on protein I realize that I definitely have to lower my intake. Will include a few more vegetables here and there.
 
I've been thinking about fats, and the nausea/diarrhea problem. I have a working hypothesis that I need to test out. It ties with what Trevrizent has been saying about being sensitive to Arachindonic Acid (an Omega 6)

I've been trying to work out how I can get instant nausea (followed by diarrhea) eating a small amount of standard ghee, but none when eating a large amount of organic ghee. Or how I can eat a lot of goose fat, yet when I had one that was not liquid at room temperature I had nausea followed by diarrhea. Or how I can eat (some) free range/grass fed (but not organic) butter, but other organic butter (supermarket own brand) causes almost instant diarrhea.

Given we know grain fed animals produce a lot of Omega 6 (in there fats), I'm starting to think that fat high in Omega 6 is the problem. That nausea and diarrhea (after eliminating liver/digestive problems) caused by fat is related to its Omega 6 content - based on what the animal ate.
This may explain why some people are sensitive to normal levels of Arachindonic Acid (an Omega 6) in meats, if the fats they are eating have too much Omega 6 in?

Can't prove any of this yet, but it is what's on my mind. Will be testing it out (going to make ghee out of the supermarket butter I can't eat, if I can't eat that its may be the Omega 6 content. Unless they put something else in?).
 
dugdeep said:
Well, I did experiment a little after reading this last night. I made a chicken stew for dinner and took a smaller portion of chicken than I usually would and added a big glob of ghee to try to make up for the smaller portion.

Unless you are really thin and burn energy like crazy, a modest amount of ghee would have been sufficient.

dugdeep said:
This morning I woke up at 5am with the worst nausea I've ever experienced. I actually tried to make myself vomit to try to relieve it, I was so uncomfortable, but it didn't work (I've never really been able to do that).

Did you take your digestive enzymes when you ate? With all the carbs you have lived on for years, your stomach probably doesn't work and it will take some time to get digestion straightened out.

dugdeep said:
I ended up getting relief by brewing a cup of herbal tea designed for digestive relief. It has peppermint and ginger and some other herbs. Just the smell of it started to bring some relief and after I drank half a cup my stomach was calmed down enough to go back to sleep.

For a time, you should make a habit of drinking some mint tea before bed. And you should never eat after 7 p.m. at the LATEST. 5 p.m. is better.

dugdeep said:
I know a few people in this thread have said that liquid fat seems to be a problem for them in large quantities, so that might be the reason for this bad reaction (the broth was mostly fat).

Yes, and many of them are taking too much of it altogether. As I noted, I only add a couple teaspoons of extra fat PER DAY to the fat I get in my cooked foods. Yes, I choose foods that are naturally fatty and I cook them in fat, but other than that, I'm not adding giant globs of fat.

dugdeep said:
I think what I need to do is up my carbs some so that I don't need to rely on huge quantities of fat to keep my protein low. I'll try experimenting.

I don't think that's a good idea. Nothing will work if you do that. All the carbs will do is increase your craving for more food. You really need to grok how evil insulin is.
 
Yesterday my carb intake was 18.5g and my protein was down to 72.5g. Today (day 31) felt much more energetic, no dropping off after sleeping. Today carbs will be 14g and protein at my weight recommended 63.5g. Also, eating lots of ghee/butter with the meals, and as a snack if required. Almost feels as if the 'Atkins Edge' of dramatic increase in energy and sense of wellbeing has arrived (or may in the next day or so).
 
Trevrizent said:
Almost feels as if the 'Atkins Edge' of dramatic increase in energy and sense of wellbeing has arrived (or may in the next day or so).

:rockon: Trevrizent!! You are almost there!

I'm still at 30 g carb, no cravings, still in ketosis, and feeling very well. Once I got over the initial transition, it's all gone pretty smoothly (so far, fingers crossed. :) )
 
Laura said:
Unless you are really thin and burn energy like crazy, a modest amount of ghee would have been sufficient.

Well, I think I am one of those.

For breakfast (around 6h00), I usually eat 3 eggs with bacon and a piece of creton. I also eat one little blinis with some cashew butter. And I usually take a couple of spoons of coconut oil or olive oil before beginning my breakfast.

However, at around 9h00 I am hungry and I could easily, if it was possible, eat the same thing that I just had for breakfast.

And it is always the same story after each meal. I am ok for a couple of hours but after that I am hungry as if i had not eaten for six hours.
 
Gandalf said:
Laura said:
Unless you are really thin and burn energy like crazy, a modest amount of ghee would have been sufficient.

Well, I think I am one of those.

For breakfast (around 6h00), I usually eat 3 eggs with bacon and a piece of creton. I also eat one little blinis with some cashew butter. And I usually take a couple of spoons of coconut oil or olive oil before beginning my breakfast.

However, at around 9h00 I am hungry and I could easily, if it was possible, eat the same thing that I just had for breakfast.

And it is always the same story after each meal. I am ok for a couple of hours but after that I am hungry as if i had not eaten for six hours.

Gandalf,
it may be that the problem is the blinis and cashew butter, both will be high in carbohydrate. Also, the blini is high in protein, and 3 eggs equates to 24g of protein, so all in all there will be a lot of conversion to carbohydrate burning.

Today, I had 1 egg and three slices of bacon - 1g carbs, 17g protein and 15g fat, plus approx a tablespoon of ghee. This kept me going until 14.00 - early, mainly this is probably due to my stomach adjusting to the smaller amount of food in it. Cutting right down on the carbs reduces craving for more food. Since dropping down to 20g carbs (admittedly with an overdose of protein, and additional fat) my cravings for food have disappeared.
 
I think that this protein restriction part of the diet is actually a lot harder than the carb restriction part.

Just for dinner I had a little piece (100 g) of salmon with some home made mayonnaise and 120 g of buttered spinach with garlic and ginger. The salmon itself is 25 g of protein and then add some for the egg yolk and some for the spinach and without even being full or satiated I hit 30 g.

To get a more full feeling I had a bowl of broth with a couple of spoonfuls of ghee in it. It helped and I am no longer hungry but I must admit that I miss a bit of the full feeling to be satiated.

I am hoping that this is yet another question of adjusting. When I started on the LC diet I had to force myself to eat more meat and fat. Now that I'm used to that I feel empty if I don't have "enough" :(

Again today, I have been full of energy and my mood has been very good. As I have posted elsewhere, I have not been happy for several years and it seems like things are beginning to change. Thank you, thank you, thank you to all!! :D :D :D

I am finally feeling the Atkins Edge and must say that I enjoy it. However, it is still as if the energy increases about 30 minutes after I eat a fatty meal and then gradually decreases 4-5 hours thereafter. Another thing I noticed was that after I did my FIR sauna today I was very tired and it felt like the Atkins Edge was quite dull - it was still there but not nearly as pronounced. Does anybody else have a similar reaction when using the FIR sauna. I was thinking that maybe the detox effect of the sauna took up some of the liver's capacity thereby reducing the resources available to turn fat into ketones, if that makes any sense :huh:
 

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