London Olympics 2012

dreamrider said:
Laura, I can't see where I made any "conclusion" about the queen, but only expressed my personal observation from that occasion. It wasn't an attack on her, but you quickly leapt to her 'defense'. She may be a 'high level pawn' or a 'pyschopath' or something else. Even if any of us knew her personally, who could state with all honesty that they could make an objective conclusion about her character? She may be a pawn or puppet - that is my interpretation anyhow fwiw. Her acting role in the bond spoof was funny, and better than Daniel Craig I thought :)

Whoah! "Leapt to her defense"?!

A little invested are we?

Just keep in mind the endless nonsense propagated by that whacko Icke and so many others.

Our objective here is to deal with some facts and not make wild speculations without so labeling them.

As it happens, I DO know someone close to the Queen, and I have eyes and experiences of my own that are comparable on a much smaller scale.
 
well Perceval I see your point, nevertheless his waving seems very unnatural. If i try to do it myself more natural angle is with the arm almost perpendicular to the body, also if you want to wave to someone you don't pause on top of the wave. But maybe he has joint problems.
Conspiracy or not it gives me bad gut feeling and I stick to it.
 
Perceval said:
Well then maybe you've lived a closeted life, because that's not an unusual way to wave - holding the arm out at a 45 degree angle and moving it towards the chest and back out - especially if you are trying to signal a large number of people from a significant distance. Try it yourself.

I have tried it, many a times, and it was always meant as a jest towards naziism. Never got misunderstood either.

If you have some footage of leaders in the west doing this I'd like to see it.

Let me explain then. Maintaining perspective means looking at all possible rational answers/explanations to a question/situation before jumping to a subjective conclusion that supports a belief in which you are already invested.

Alright. To me, when something happens on TV in an event as big as this, the presence of "accidents" are pretty low on my rational explanation barometer. Empirically and logically that is a sound assumption to make.

Besides, you've made up your mind too. What's the difference?

herrnimrod said:
There you go assuming again. Anyone who sees the video will probably conclude that he was just waving.

Since I don't know how every human will interpret this I'm assuming it will be quite a bit, if not most, based on what I thought, what people on this forum thought, what my friends thought, what youtube and other communities thought.

And this: Anyone who sees the video will probably conclude that he was just waving.

is an assumption too, although, based on general reactions, less rooted in reality.
 
Laura said:
dreamrider said:
Laura, I can't see where I made any "conclusion" about the queen, but only expressed my personal observation from that occasion. It wasn't an attack on her, but you quickly leapt to her 'defense'. She may be a 'high level pawn' or a 'pyschopath' or something else. Even if any of us knew her personally, who could state with all honesty that they could make an objective conclusion about her character? She may be a pawn or puppet - that is my interpretation anyhow fwiw. Her acting role in the bond spoof was funny, and better than Daniel Craig I thought :)

Whoah! "Leapt to her defense"?!

A little invested are we?

Just keep in mind the endless nonsense propagated by that whacko Icke and so many others.

Our objective here is to deal with some facts and not make wild speculations without so labeling them.

As it happens, I DO know someone close to the Queen, and I have eyes and experiences of my own that are comparable on a much smaller scale.

Laura, I am trying to be as objective as possible. It just seemed that a couple of personal observations about the queen on a specific occasion, (that were not attacking or abusive in any way) may have provoked a response that was a little OTT. I honestly don't have any issue with the queen, icke or daniel craig for that matter! :) ok - I do think Daniel Craig is a very wooden actor! :)

As you say "Our objective here is to deal with some facts and not make wild speculations without so labelling them."
 
I did watch most of the opening ceremony and I find it amusing that my house mates and I commented that we'd be reading on the web all sort of 'esoteric' interpretations about symbolism and the illuminati and so on. We improvised our own 'interpretations' as we watched, and that was cause for much laughter and made the evening much more fun. :)

If any, the only thing I have to say about the show is that it all seemed very pretty, colorful, impressive and random (and the music was good imo). Random, as in, for example, what was a tribute to the NHS doing in the Olympics ceremony? The James Bond and queen part was also sort of random, but it tells me, along with the Mr Bean part, that they had in mind what the world knows about Britain and they were trying to please the audience. Other bits looked like a Pink Floyd concert, like the giant puppets. And of course they paraded a few celebrities and rock stars or played their music because that's what people like of GB. For the most part I thought it was entertaining as a show, and I did not seriously read anything conspiratorial at all.

Lets suppose for the sake of argument that the elite indeed leave occult symbols in shows like these. What would be the purpose? How does that advance their agenda in any way at all if no one except them cares or understands? How does that affect the rest of us? The only reason I can think for them to do that is for their own amusement or ego, but it seems to me like too much effort put into something with no payback. And if they did, they would not risk revealing any important details of their plans anyway. After all, the whole point of the Olympics is to give some circus to the masses so they can be distracted and cause less trouble and in the process make some business, and that's about it.
 
herrnimrod said:
I have tried it, many a times, and it was always meant as a jest towards naziism. Never got misunderstood either.

So you've tried to give the Nazi salute many time by waving your left hand back and forth at a 45 degree angle with fingers open and this was interpreted as a Nazi salute. I see. Look, for a start, a Nazi salute is with the right arm, fingers stiff and it is a SINGULAR movement, not a lax back and forward, which is wave. I can't believe you're actually insisting on this when all you have to do is look up images of a Nazi salute.

herrnimrod said:
If you have some footage of leaders in the west doing this I'd like to see it.

Here's Nixon, the Nazi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3U4MhKDxcw

herrnimrod said:
To me, when something happens on TV in an event as big as this, the presence of "accidents" are pretty low on my rational explanation barometer. Empirically and logically that is a sound assumption to make.

No it's not. Each event needs to be considered on its own merits. What you are proposing is black and white thinking. That is very far from 'empirical' or 'sound'.

herrnimrod said:
Besides, you've made up your mind too. What's the difference?

The difference is that I am basing my opinion on what is most plausible:

That a German member of the Olympic committee with no history of Nazism consciously decided to make a "nazi salute" to the German team at the Olympic games in London, while surrounded by other leaders of state and in front of a world-wide audience of 1 billion. While doing so, he failed to actually do the salute but instead waved the wrong arm back and forth as if waving at the team.

Or

That a German member of the Olympic committee was waving in a stiff-armed fashion at the German team and a bunch of people decided to make something out of it by suggesting it was a Nazi salute.

herrnimrod said:
Since I don't know how every human will interpret this I'm assuming it will be quite a bit, if not most, based on what I thought, what people on this forum thought, what my friends thought, what youtube and other communities thought.

It's possible that some people will interpret it as a Nazi salute, and others will not. If you want to base your opinion on what other people interpret it as then go ahead. But what the masses think these days is usually wrong. Or haven't you noticed?

herrnimrod said:
And this: Anyone who sees the video will probably conclude that he was just waving.

is an assumption too, although, based on general reactions, less rooted in reality.

Okay, maybe I was putting too much faith in people's ability to be rational (my mistake I should know better). That doesn't change the fact that the most plausible explanation is that he was waving.
 
Windmill knight said:
The only reason I can think for them to do that is for their own amusement or ego, but it seems to me like too much effort put into something with no payback.
I wouldn't so readily dismiss this motive. Its the signature of negatives to go to great length just for amusement or ego gratification. I agree it is nuts to read hidden meaning and see occult symbols everywhere. But on the other hand we can observe that throughout the history occult symbols always play significant role.
I am just saying why not be aware of all the possibilities without firm beliefs.
For me by the end of the day its the feeling that counts. I did not find this ceremony even slightly amusing or entertaining, it was meaningless, chaotic and there was a "sinister" (for lack of better words) feel to it. All I could think off was enormous sum of money spent on something so meaningless. But that's just me, very subjective impression.
 
Herr Eisenheim said:
I did not find this ceremony even slightly amusing or entertaining, it was meaningless, chaotic and there was a "sinister" (for lack of better words) feel to it. All I could think off was enormous sum of money spent on something so meaningless. But that's just me, very subjective impression.

I think that's a pretty accurate impression, because it maps to what we know of the state of popular culture and the state of the world today: "meaningless, chaotic, sinister" with public money being thrown away on useless projects and destructive wars.
 
herrnimrod said:
Perceval said:
Well then maybe you've lived a closeted life, because that's not an unusual way to wave - holding the arm out at a 45 degree angle and moving it towards the chest and back out - especially if you are trying to signal a large number of people from a significant distance. Try it yourself.

I have tried it, many a times, and it was always meant as a jest towards naziism. Never got misunderstood either.

Oh, geeze! I must be a Nazi! I wave this way (with either arm) when trying to get someone's attention that is not close by. :scared:
 
Herr Eisenheim said:
well Perceval I see your point, nevertheless his waving seems very unnatural. If i try to do it myself more natural angle is with the arm almost perpendicular to the body, also if you want to wave to someone you don't pause on top of the wave. But maybe he has joint problems.
Conspiracy or not it gives me bad gut feeling and I stick to it.

Maybe he has arthritis at his elbow?
 
Windmill knight said:
So now that the Olympics are officially open the pathocrats will use the next couple of weeks to do more evil stuff than usual, since nobody will be paying attention. I'm expecting some armed incursions in Palestine or things getting worse in Syria; perhaps some more revelations of banking and financial corruption and an iron fist for occupiers and demonstrators around the globe - things like that. Lets keep our collective eyes open then, cause someone has got to do it!

Well it seems this is how yahoo news would like for us to think today- on the headlines page before accessing the inbox there are six headlines:

Olympics: Probe Into Rows Of Empty Seats
Olympic Medal Hopes On Team GB Golden Girls
Syrian Fighting Spills Over Lebanese Border
Olympics fans drenched by rainfall
Olympics: Probe Into Rows Of Empty Seats
Coe calls for tickets perspective

Of course, the empty seats news is the big shocker so it gets 3 out of six headlines. It seems that the poor fans were very distraught to see rows of empty seats.
 
loreta said:
Herr Eisenheim said:
well Perceval I see your point, nevertheless his waving seems very unnatural. If i try to do it myself more natural angle is with the arm almost perpendicular to the body, also if you want to wave to someone you don't pause on top of the wave. But maybe he has joint problems.
Conspiracy or not it gives me bad gut feeling and I stick to it.

Maybe he has arthritis at his elbow?

This was my thought too... I mean 'funny guy' is in golden years so more than elbow is probably affected by arthritis since he is moving whole body in awkward way...

And considering Queen's role I agree with Laura and Perceval that she was dong just what is she payed for - some kind of GB mascot...

At the end this whole ceremony was irritating to me because it reminds me of similar events that were staged all over former Yugoslavia, called "Slet" ('rally' in eng.) so to celebrate the birthday of 'our dear comrad Tito' every year on May the 25th. That day was celebrated as The Day of Youth ('Dan mladosti' cro.)... :barf:
 
Perceval said:
Herr Eisenheim said:
I did not find this ceremony even slightly amusing or entertaining, it was meaningless, chaotic and there was a "sinister" (for lack of better words) feel to it. All I could think off was enormous sum of money spent on something so meaningless. But that's just me, very subjective impression.

I think that's a pretty accurate impression, because it maps to what we know of the state of popular culture and the state of the world today: "meaningless, chaotic, sinister" with public money being thrown away on useless projects and destructive wars.

I agree with that assessment. Bread and circuses, indeed.
 
Regarding Walther Tröger's wave, those less experienced in the wide world of human gesturing might be interested to know there are several different forms of waving, depending on the culture purpose and specific circumstance. As well, the same can be said for salutes. Since the Olympics encourages high degrees of national pride, people will be quite moved to signal their pride to their country's competitors, perhaps even to mix waving with salutes, resulting in all sorts of interesting expressions.

London Telegraph has an article:
German anger as dignitary accused of performing ‘Nazi’ salute at opening ceremony
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9436019/German-anger-as-dignitary-accused-of-performing-Nazi-salute-at-opening-ceremony.html)

It appears Walther Tröger has dedicated himself to building tolerance in society and helping Germany move past its darker period and the likelihood of him performing a Nazi salute is simply ridiculous.

Although I'm not that surprised that the news media is busy reporting this "alleged" Nazi salute, I am surprised that anyone who is committing themselves to the pursuit of objective reality would jump so quickly to a conclusion. Why assume something when there are other possible explanations? This really doesn't make sense, unless other evidence can come into play to make one lean one way over another. But even then, it would make more sense to have a working hypothesis, open to further information.

There have been a few threads where some members have surprised me with their comments lately. Perhaps ,ore evidence of the advancing wave?

By the way, while watching this man's wave, I noticed some awkwardness in his movement and wondered if he had some debilitation, like a stroke, which might explain the use of the left arm (unless he was left handed). His right arm seemed completely motionless, but only seeing a few seconds of his movement really doesn't provide a lot to work with.

Gonzo
 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and so, it seems, are Illuminati conspiracies. David Icke's forum? Bad language excepted, some of the comments here could have been dredged right out of Youtube gunge.

The choice of "Hey Jude" as closing music could be interpreted as "Hey Jew". I think in German "Jude" literally means Jew too.

Heil, Herrnimrod, meinen Sie das ja ganz ehrlich? Hm, do you think if the song had been written 70 years earlier Josef Goebbels might have persuaded his cronies to adopt Hey Jude as the anthem of the Nazi party? But there again Himmler would have wanted it for his SS. Perhaps it might even have turned the course of the war?

If I should sum up the ceremony in one word I don't know whether I'd go for "sinister" or "surreal".

I face the same dilemma with your comments. As for the ceremony, try moving and fun, courageous and highly creative, and full of brightness. Having watched it from beginning to end I can assure you the tone was not sinister. Mary Poppins defeats Voldemort for F's sake! The Satanic Mills were just that, looked pretty stonkin good. If it looked like Sauron's war effort getting under way, it's called theatre:

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In England's green & pleasant Land

Of course the conspiracy numties will line up to turn this into a NWO manifesto, right there. They will doubtless rest their case. It says New Jerusalem, doesn't it?

The position of the monarch has been compromised since the mid 1800s when the growing parliament started taking over royal duties (unconstitutionally) and since it has just become tradition. Technically a monarch still has the power, but at this point it probably wouldn't go over too well with the people.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a farmer in the outback of Brazil. He took it for granted that everyone in Britain paid all but a tiny portion of their income in taxes directly to the Queen. 'How do you like that?' he asked, genuinely puzzled. It also emerged that he thought England was in London. And that contact with snow would probably kill a person. Perhaps you and he went to the same college, Herr Nimrod?

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gosh
1757, altered pronunciation of God. Probably from by gosse (mid-16c.).

Good golly Miss Molly, Herr Nimrod. And there was me thinking it might have something to do with the Great Ormond Street Hospital.

Yes, they did play the music from the Exorcist during the "illuminated children" scene.

The children's beds, with all the children jumping on them, were part of the Great Ormond Street Hospital theme. Children jumping on beds, well, a child jumping on a bed at a hospital is going to always be a pretty joyful indicator. To manage to see in this symbolism the work of the dark side - Loreta: 'pedophilia' - is comical, then depressing and sobering. What chance the human race?

And, yeah, she really didn't look very happy to be in the film clip. I just saw the photos with captions and thought it was very pathetic and silly at the same time...and was wondering why such a dignified lady would consent to such an escapade.

Yes, after all, we expect our pathocrats to please keep their dignity at all times. Nice to hear Laura talking some common sense on the subject. The Queen seems to be a magnet of vilification for teenage testosterone. Always the Queen who is the kingpin of the Dark Side, or 'arch pathocrat'. She is now in her late 80's, and as the show was running till after midnight she will quite clearly have been pooped. Ever seen a person that old getting dozy at an event? Anyone who actually watched the parade of teams will tell you how you needed the strength of an athlete anyway to prevent your eyes glazing over and keeling over sideways. (Although many of the people in the parade looked very beautiful, you forget how many ethnic hues humanity wears. It's just the living geography refresher course went on a bit too long.)

Daniel Craig playing James Bond - a psychopathic fiction character if there ever was one

Your opinion. Daniel Craig is not to be confused with James Bond himself, of course. One of them is an actor. (Although his girlfriends probably try to call him James. ;) ) Check him out in Enduring Love. I've only seen about five minutes of him as Bond.

Carried off his part beautifully in the palace though, those honed twitches of the eyebrow. (And the Queen did her part well too, for all that she was comatose at other times, including her moment in the sun when Team GB hit the stadium and the camera found her not cheering, but studying her cuticles. When her moment comes to turn around and exchange her lines with 'Mr Bond' though, I get the distinct impression she's getting a kick out of it.)

Brits, including myself, found the Crowned Head jumping from the helicopter as the Bond music ignites just hilarious.

I dunno. You'd think that she would have put the kibosh on something like that. But it really looks like she has less and less say about anything nowadays. She sure didn't look all that happy in the photos.

Alas, the rest of the world may never get it. Apparently the royal family were well up for the helicopter jape right from the beginning. (From a TV interview with former head of royal security.) I suspect, whether elitist or closet populist, the Queen has a well-tried, droll sense of humour that is not allowed out too often.

Her acting role in the bond spoof was funny, and better than Daniel Craig I thought

I'd call it a draw. They both ham their lines for a living but Daniel Craig's part was harder ;)

the fact that she has managed to keep her balance at all is remarkable.

Especially when she fell out of the helicopter. No, I'll go along with that. Whatever her role in the Big Play, she once made a highly intriguing remark that was reported in the news alluding to 'mysterious dark forces' at work around her and behind the scenes of public life. I have always wondered what she meant by this, and what could have happened to make her open her mouth in public like that. Dark forces? The Queen? Don't worry, I've made a note in my Filofax to ask her next time we bump into each other.

Oh, brother. The Queen of England - a potential psychopath or the patsy of psychopaths

Ohh brother, you said it. I hope she manages to laugh herself to sleep sometimes at some of the things said about her. It can't always be that easy.


If any, the only thing I have to say about the show is that it all seemed very pretty, colorful, impressive and random (and the music was good imo). Random, as in, for example, what was a tribute to the NHS doing in the Olympics ceremony? The James Bond and queen part was also sort of random, but it tells me, along with the Mr Bean part, that they had in mind what the world knows about Britain and they were trying to please the audience. Other bits looked like a Pink Floyd concert, like the giant puppets. And of course they paraded a few celebrities and rock stars or played their music because that's what people like of GB. For the most part I thought it was entertaining as a show, and I did not seriously read anything conspiratorial at all.

Yeah, you could wonder about the NHS in the Olympics ceremony. You could also mention the national anthem rendered by a special needs children's choir, including the all-important third verse (normally dispensed with). Doreen Lawrence carrying the Olympic flag (her son was killed in a racist attack). That deaf lady going crazy with the drums. (Yeah!) Young adolescents lighting the flame (in the place of the all-too-familiar and predictable Olympians who instead passed them the torches). All the masses of children involved throughout. All that genuine spirit of thousands of volunteers (many of them doctors and nurses) giving it their all. Danny Boyle's inclusion of the volunteers who weren't able to be included, caught in the light as they were given a surprise mention. Not to mention the first lesbian kiss winging its way on to Saudi Arabian screens, smuggled in.

Unexpected as it happened live, the 200+ copper (coloured) petals, one for each nation, which slowly raised and folded together to become the Olympic cauldron was a beautiful finale, genuine art. As a monumental cauldron/torch/beacon left burning as the centrepiece for the stadium it was terrific.

Mr Bean hamming it up throughout the entire obligatory Chariots of Fire. Cheeky and irresistible! The sacred Olympic anthem! Go Mr Bean!

A sub plot is enacted where a girl loses her cellphone. A modern love story. Mindless facebook and twitter messages pops up on the screen

You're obviously immune to the sweet language. The girl with the frizzy hair, the shine in her eyes. She's only playing a part, but playing it so well you could almost believe. . . Then all that silly infectious dancing and texting. Of course our own effusions on FB would put Shakespeare to shame in the (on the face of it unlikely) event that we found ourselves in such an undignified situation.

This act was frighteningly sinister. A dark, brown atmosphere. A huge sun in the middle ascending while people coming from the dust celebrates it. Heartbeat music, church bells. A woman singing a song about death and the Lord. The characters on the ground acting as if in a trance. At the end a child is lured into the crowd by a man handling some sort of sphere and lifted towards the sun.

This would be the poignant 7/7 tribute rendered through wild contemporary dance and music of pain. (People outside this country may not be aware, as everyone here is, that the 7/7 London bombings occurred the very next day after the bid to hold the 2012 Olympics in London was accepted. What would have been a happy top story the next day was pushed out of the picture by the scenes of carnage.) That was some dancing going on! Then the guy doing the wonderful thing with his hands. The child follows but will never be able to touch his father again. . . The embrace that happens is impossible, it cannot last because Dad is already on his way to becoming a spirit. Very poignant.

And this was the Olympic games. I speak as no fan of these spectacles. Mass choreography, zillions of human ants in lockstep (Beijing - here the members of the armed forces carrying the flag up the green hill - Hey, it's Glastonbury Tor! In the Olympics! - weren't always troubling to keep rigidly in step.) Turgid anthems, crude patriotic hype. Inevitable humongous fireworks overkill. I ended up watching because of the build-up (27 million watched from a population of 60 million) and apprehensively, morbidly curious to see not if, but how many in-your-face End Time masonic symbols they would infiltrate into the ceremony.

As it turned out, nary a masonic nuance, that I could see. (Considering the stadium as separate to the ceremony.) Thankfully not hide nor hair of the creepy Wenlock and Mandeville abortions (the weird mascots, given their just deserts here http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/olympicmascots/), and no spooky ZION/2012 logo, which should by rights have been everywhere.

The way I see it, 6% of us are psychopaths, there's a healthy slice of OP's, but that still leaves a few folk who can mount a good show, especially if they are at the top of the organisational chain. (Danny Boyle, Slumdog Millionaire.) The commissioning of the logo, all the stuff Rik Clay talked about before he was suicided (???) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-mu-GcCvG8 shows the influence of other strands and factions who would have liked a say.

Amazing as it may seem, on this of all occasions, there were people in the loop who were out to make sure the light was held.

Skip to the comments after this article to get a feel for how the event was received here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/28/richard-williams-olympic-opening-ceremony?commentpage=1#start-of-comments OK, I m not putting forward the Guardian readers as an enlightened audience (don't look for words like 'hyperdimensional' or 'psychopath' here) but the way the best of their humanity was touched by this event shines through.
 
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