I'd start with wondering how you managed to miss learning the elementary fact that it's bleach.
Via the thick book of
Andreas Ludwig Kalcker "Health forbidden - incurable was yesterday" 2017/18, which I have referred to a couple times.
The documentation of the book, plays in a very different league (also time wise), as well from a medical perspective. It is fully transparent in it's assessments - so that even medical scientists (are very welcome) to be able follow the thinking/claim/chemical reactions.
Compared to what Jim Humble may have written (the problem for me here is, that again, I never went the Jim Humble route, therefore never exactly determined what
he said, claimed or "documented" whatever, about the substances he was selling. We are talking about a time difference of 8 years. The Kalcker book approaches everything differently, with documentation. It doesn't sell anything, either.
But as I said, I need to re-read that book again, too - but
WITH everything you guys wrote in mind - in order to determine (for myself) the white, the gray and the black spots in all of this. Were exactly are the traps. Is truly everything just "bleach", or are there some vital difference easy to overlook ? And if there is a difference, what exactly is that ? How does this apply to the body and surrounding substances it might or might not react with. And how ? What exactly are the possible side products of various reactions ? What can those do ?
Instead of putting everything into one single bag, and calling it "bleach", is for me, who wants to honestly understand the underpinnings - the why, the how, the when - not satisfactory.
But this is not a blame, please.
This is what I so far have learned from you guys... to actually go deeper, and find the knots, to understand the areas where things can go wrong. I also need to know more about this, because I never got sick from pure (0.3%) CLO2 from a 250 ml bottle over 6 months, not even the slightest. My senses are neither clumsy nor stupid - they pick up immediately even the slightest deviations and raise flags when something in my body is amiss. I need to acknowledge that experience, too.
Then again, your red flags raised - as well plenty other forum members have done earlier in this thread, are all reason enough to stop, and not to recommend it to anyone. That too, needs to be respected - And that I do.
It is the precautionary principle - as it should be, revolving health !
One thing that strikes me is - and I fully call one component in question: Jim Humble's
use of Citric Acid as one of the components. That is in my eyes a no-go. If that is how he sold it - and let's assume somebody used this for a long time (which you are not supposed to do!) then that begs for serious trouble ! Why did Lauras daughter use it
for a whole year ? As Citric Acid
does leave pure Chlorine as a side product after the reaction. And there, it is a MAJOR red flag. And if the mixing isn't done correctly, then definitely !!
(It reminds me of HCQ, which is very safe
if you follow the recommendation. But if overdosed, you are in deep trouble and it leads to death within 14 days).
Nobody is supposed to use oxidative products over whole a year. (same goes for H2O2 !) You are supposed to use it when illness occurs, but in between you must
take a breaks with plenty of anti-oxidants and supplements. Otherwise damages occur. Was all this known 11 years ago ?
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Laura published the link to the
208 pages long document in 2010 about the toxicity of various chlorine based (as well other) substance in drinking water.
Here is a chlorine dioxide toxicity report:
It talks about other chemicals as well.
A document worth gold - but you also have to truly dig into the fine details - in order to spot the differences in the definition of what is bleach, creates bleach, creates other bi-products (and what those do/don't do)
and what is not bleach. It is in there !
The keys are: if, when and when not, side products are created. That is outlined in the document. But the document is extremely heavy, (in my eyes ) truly complicated and... it makes your head spin (I got severe headaches yesterday, trying to dig through it, probably pushing myself way beyond my capacity. I don't often get headaches)
There are definitely concerns to be raised in circumstances, when used wrongly, used too much, or misunderstood in the definition of what is bleach, and what is not. The many studies therefore show different results (as well how you read them, whether you "bundled all into one", or distinguish components being different, and therefore have different outcomes). A lot of claims have been made in this thread, with a tendency towards "bundling everything into one" (e.g. "It's all Chlorine")
BUT given the circumstances revolving the people behind mms, the strange connections in the background 11 years ago - I am not surprised, and
according to the principle of having to be careful, do no harm,
it was totally appropriate ! Why taking risks... There are other ways to treat illness !
Meier et al. (1985b) evaluated the ability of chlorine dioxide to induce chromosomal aberrations and micronuclei in bone marrow of CD-1 mice or sperm head anomalies. Chlorine dioxide failed to produce such damage following gavage doses of up to 16 mg/kg of body weight for 5 days.
3) Chlorine dioxide
The chemistry of chlorine dioxide in drinking-water is complex, but the major breakdown product is chlorite. In establishing a specific TDI for chlorine dioxide, data on both chlorine dioxide and chlorite can be considered, given the rapid hydrolysis to chlorite. Therefore, an oral TDI for chlorine dioxide is 30 μg/kg of body weight, based on the NOAEL of 2.9 mg/kg of body weight per day for neurodevelopmental effects of chlorite in rats.
Sotts article, I personally felt was a good one.
And everything revolving Jim Humble, raised even in my eyes many red flags (in hindsight of course, since had no idea of Humble nor mms 11 years ago) Then the thing with church and stuff... is just so strange. If he was seeking health in humanity, attacking illness with a treatment - then why all this religious stuff attached to it - which just makes no sense, what so ever. And the boldness of claims, is always a red flag !
You became critic, and then stayed critic - for all the good reasons, combined with the experiences in the past prior 2010. And the C's also had their saying about jim humble. It makes a lot of sense.
