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Re: Nuland attempts Kiev Version 2.0 in Skopje

here live from Skopje

http://rt.com/on-air/macedonia-rally-against-government/

how many school programs they could fund instead of paying for this rock concert, and well organized entertainment program for youth to take over Macedonia ... seen in Croatia so many times. Soros backed NGOs always in the first row of protests, well paid to design and perform on stage, but never any thing was change for good after that.
 
Re: Nuland attempts Kiev Version 2.0 in Skopje

Anthony didn't see your post probably we were posting simultaneously, but thank you very much for the numbers, yes that is a great argument - it is all paid by masters
 
Re: Nuland attempts Kiev Version 2.0 in Skopje

solarmind said:
here live from Skopje

http://rt.com/on-air/macedonia-rally-against-government/

how many school programs they could fund instead of paying for this rock concert, and well organized entertainment program for youth to take over Macedonia ... seen in Croatia so many times. Soros backed NGOs always in the first row of protests, well paid to design and perform on stage, but never any thing was change for good after that.
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They have to use music, repetitive slogans and a big screen to make the people suggestible, who know what could happen after that.
 
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Anthony said:
They have to use music, repetitive slogans and a big screen to make the people suggestible, who know what could happen after that.
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seen so many times ... such a simple hypnosis program ;) ... maybe they will not make big move today, as RT and other non western media wrote a lot about the pattern that is obvious here, and people are quite lazy and peaceful, you can see on live report ... maybe that is the reason why they are saying that they will not leave before Gruevski will resign .. so when people will get tired of waiting, some shit will happen all of a sudden in the middle of working week ...
 
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Organizers of SDSM's protest are facing a failure,and has managed to gather only some 20,000 people.

http://english.republika.mk/sdsms-protest-attended-by-19-000-20-000-citizens-photo/
 
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sToRmR1dR said:
Organizers of SDSM's protest are facing a failure,and has managed to gather only some 20,000 people.

http://english.republika.mk/sdsms-protest-attended-by-19-000-20-000-citizens-photo/
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Yes got the same feeling while watching the last bits of RT live coverage. Zaev sounded quite disappointed, and people left the place soon after concert was done ... ;) .. well Balkans are still not that sensitive on material corruption, it is part of our economy and no one really believe there is no corrupted government .... I am glad that it is not that much suporeted among citizens, as they were hoping.
 
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The Internet has dawned and footage of protests from the air, which shows the view of Macedonians who today expressed their dissatisfaction with the conservative government of Gruevski.
Video:
https://youtu.be/SeFq1LCAz-U
 
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No mater how much people were there, its clear now that it have not produced some big effect. Today the ruling party of the prime minister ( VMRO ) is organising meeting of support to the Gruevski. The meeting place will be about 1.5 km from the government where some of the yesterday demonstrants are camping in front of the government. THere is a possibility of conflict between this opposite groups.
THe situation is not good. Serbian armed forces are ready on the border with macedonia, and according to them next 20 days they expect major attacks from Albanian terrorists.

I`m also afraid that they will try to do something big since all previous attempts have not produced wanted effect.

Tomorrow The opposition leader and prime minister will have a meeting in Strasbourg with some EU officials, where i think more pressure and threats will be on the menu.
 
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Thank you for the update Konstantin.

Here is photo of camping activists, media said there was around 100 protesters left, so opposition didn't relay get into the peoples minds ... let's hope that there will not be more escalations, as there is mostly young people even some kids, that are probably naive sheep's who beelive in this stories about corrupted government and good western backed fellows ...

_http://www.jutarnji.hr/kampiraju-u-50-ak-satora-pred-zgradom-vlade-prosvjednici-u-skoplju-i-dalje-traze-ostavku-gruevskog/1350764/

But in general situation on Balkans is not peaceful at all, as you wrote ... if they can't get people on their side in Macedonia, there is always Bosnia ready to be turn on into fight :( ... They seams to search for reason to react, but majority of people are ignoring that pushes ... I guess people are tired of fights and hate and all sorts of trouble, and they just want to live their decent and humble every day life.

WHo knows, maybe also the straight forward comments from Lavrov, and many other global media, about possible and recognizable color revolution model to be executed in Macedonia, made them feel exposed more than ever before, and if they do that now again upon same scheme, no one will doubt the objective reports, as Macedonia is not some middle east country, it is direct borderline with EU ...

take care! :hug:
 
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It is nice to see this ... more than 100 000 people came to support government and Gruevski. People in Macedonia know who are their allies!

_http://english.republika.mk/largest-rally-in-the-history-of-macedonia-over-90000-citizens/

Love to Macedonia! And hopefully there will be no another Ukraine scenario.
 
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In light of 90+ k people gathered on "Anti-Maidan" demonstrations in support of government, and radio Free Europe down-playing that numbers to "few tens of thousands", while doubling the number of "Maidan" anti-government supporters from Sunday to 40k,
http://www.altermainstreaminfo.com.hr/vijesti/makedonski-antimaidan-premasio-sva-ocekivanja-fotovideo-433
I just want to share how Sunday demonstrations were covered in central info show Dnevnik on Croatian national TV HRT.

The show can be seen here: _http://www.hrt.hr/enz/dnevnik/284968/ and part about Macedonian Maidan starts at 10:55.

For "grand opening", about the number of people on demonstrations, HRT reporter from Skopje said:

Okupilo se toliko ljudi da je njihov broj zapravo teško i procijeniti.

Ako kažemo da je danas više desetaka tisuća ljudi iz cijele Makedonije došlo rušiti vladu Nikole Gruevskog, nećemo mnogo lagati.


Translation

So many people gathered that their number is actually hard to estimate.

If we say that today several [many] tens of thousands of people from all over Macedonia came to bring down the government of Nikola Gruevski, we won't be lying [very] much.
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I mean, really...
What's even more tragic is that they de facto didn't overtly lie or gave some disinfo, with the phrasing put like that. :pinocchio:
 
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Saša said:
I just want to share how Sunday demonstrations were covered in central info show Dnevnik on Croatian national TV HRT.

The show can be seen here: _http://www.hrt.hr/enz/dnevnik/284968/ and part about Macedonian Maidan starts at 10:55.

For "grand opening", about the number of people on demonstrations, HRT reporter from Skopje said:

Okupilo se toliko ljudi da je njihov broj zapravo teško i procijeniti.

Ako kažemo da je danas više desetaka tisuća ljudi iz cijele Makedonije došlo rušiti vladu Nikole Gruevskog, nećemo mnogo lagati.


Translation

So many people gathered that their number is actually hard to estimate.

If we say that today several [many] tens of thousands of people from all over Macedonia came to bring down the government of Nikola Gruevski, we won't be lying [very] much.
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I mean, really...
What's even more tragic is that they de facto didn't overtly lie or gave some disinfo, with the phrasing put like that. :pinocchio:
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Croatian TV ... :D ... I don't watch it for long time now, as they are naturally stupid and poltrons always ready to changing their minds towards those who are in charge for their salaries ... I am sorry to say that, but you see, it is reality. And most of them who I know personally, are heavy narcissist frustrated psychopaths.
 
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Saša said:
I just want to share how Sunday demonstrations were covered in central info show Dnevnik on Croatian national TV HRT.

The show can be seen here: _http://www.hrt.hr/enz/dnevnik/284968/ and part about Macedonian Maidan starts at 10:55.
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And they also said that all nationalities in Macedonia were demonstrating against Gruevski, even the Serbs. But I haven't seen a single Serbian flag in that demonstration. And if you look at the photos from the demonstrations for support of Gruevski you will see that there were many Serbian flags, but no Albanian.

HRT overall presented Gruevski as some evil guy who needs to be removed from power.

RTS was more neutral, although they were also giving a huge number of demonstrators against Gruevski (100,000). But they did mention that there were a big number of Albanians at the protest. It start at 08:00.

_http://www.rts.rs/upload/storyBoxFileData/2015/05/17/24439522/Dnevnik%20170515.mp4

BTW both HRT and RTS managed to find Albanians in Macedonia who speak perfect Serbian. That is interesting. Maybe they are not really from Macedonia?
 
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Thank you SOTT for the article:

http://hr.sott.net/article/1500-Skoplje-90-000-gradana-Makedonije-se-okupilo-u-znak-podrske-vladi

The people stand behind Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski for stable and strong Macedonia.The good news is that Macedonians from all walks of life and ethnic backgrounds,are aware of "Sorosite" influences behind the outbreak of violence in the country,and they are willing to stand up against it.
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Re: Nuland attempts Kiev Version 2.0 in Skopje

New informations.
According to this Macedonian Portal

_http://infomax.mk/wp/?p=30503

According to the portal, Lavrov have a speech in the parliament, on one of the questions he answered that all this in Macedonia is not very well coordinated from abroad.
Its because Macedonia was not supporting the sanctions against Russia, and because Macedonian prime minister want to participate in the Turkish stream , which will be beneficial for the entire country.

then he added that it was offered to Albania and Bulgaria to divide, to split Macedonia to create some kind of federation or confederation, so that the unitary Macedonia will no longer exist.In that case Russian influence on Balkan will be blocked.

Then he says that in the end of April some " westerners" come to Macedonia and claimed that they are OSCE misssion and they delivered some requirements to Prime minister Gruevski.
After that Russia asked the OSCE headquarters, the Secretary General and OSCE Chairman Ivica Dacic current Minister of Foreign Affairs of Serbia, to investigate the matter and inform what was going on.

I can add the yesterday statement of the Albanian prime minister that the Albania will use its right of veto to the Macedonian membership in Nato together with Greece , until Ohrid Agreement from 2001 is not completely implemented. ( i think that maybe they are making us some service to us , by not allowing us to be part of this fascistic NATO organisation)

You can see more about it here.
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid_Agreement

In reality it was a step closer to confederation or federation in Macedonia. Now its not so important if you are competent and qualified to do your job. Now its important what nationality you are. If you live in north-western macedonia with majority Albanians , then almost all public administration has to be Albanians, members of the ruling party coalition partners . But that is another theme

So, there are signs that Lavrov words are true, and that psychopaths on power are doing everything to fulfill their plans.

Here i can remind you of my post about unauthorised children photographing in the same northern-western part of Macedonia, so you can have the bigger picture of what is going on. Some big and scaring processes are developing behind the curtains.

_https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,38052.0.html

Than there was a Kumanovo shooting from 2 weeks ago. At first there were 14 killed terrorists. Now they corrected the number and officially there are only 10 killed. Its not a miscalculation. Where have that 4 bodies gone. Who were they.Why are they not publishing their identities. According to some rumors close to the government ,they were bodies of some foreign mercenaries and that is why that is covered.( see the test for an Ukrainian scenario)

Further in the text he said that independent experts should be sent to Macedonia to report the real situation.
 
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