Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

Alvalsen

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Siberia said:
foofighter said:
Perceval said:
Analysing pieces of the fuselage can't produce anything conclusive, but just to further the counter the NY Times guy's analysis shows "shrapnel from the front"...from where do you think the shrapnel came that made most of these holes?
To me it looks like most of the holes have the metal bent to the outside, so logically the impact would have been from the inside.
It seems that there are two layers of material: the outer layer looks definitely bent to the outside, but as for the inner layer, it's hard for me to judge. Here is another picture of the same piece, fwiw (it can be significantly enlarged, if you click it twice):



Edit: or just push the "actual size" button :)
aluminum soft
after breaking the plane was falling apart, continuing to fly, damage could be outside
 

A Jay

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Altair said:
Check the last youtube video by StormCloudsGathering. Near the end of the video there is Christine Lagarde's New Year Speech (1/15/14) who speaks about "magic 7" in the year 2014 :O


https://youtu.be/b67OGUsQC44?feature=player_detailpage
Indeed, a very weird speech to be giving at such a 'prestigious' event. The way she spoke of seeing optimism and the horizon in 2014 gave an eery, foreboding reminder of what the C's said back in '09 about 2014 being year zero.
 

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A Jay said:
Altair said:
Check the last youtube video by StormCloudsGathering. Near the end of the video there is Christine Lagarde's New Year Speech (1/15/14) who speaks about "magic 7" in the year 2014 :O


https://youtu.be/b67OGUsQC44?feature=player_detailpage
Indeed, a very weird speech to be giving at such a 'prestigious' event. The way she spoke of seeing optimism and the horizon in 2014 gave an eery, foreboding reminder of what the C's said back in '09 about 2014 being year zero.
That speech from Lagarde was also brought up here:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,35511.msg509921.html#msg509921
 

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Altair said:
Check the last youtube video by StormCloudsGathering. Near the end of the video there is Christine Lagarde's New Year Speech (1/15/14) who speaks about "magic 7" in the year 2014 :O


https://youtu.be/b67OGUsQC44?feature=player_detailpage
Someone took what she said and 'ran with it', stating that the date on which the 'dollar reset' will take place is July 20th.

Well, did it?

The SCG video is great, though it could have done without that conspiracy-mongering at the end.
 

rymw

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Found this quite by accident and thought of sharing if it hasn't already been done so on the forum.

_http://www.rense.com/general96/MH17.html


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Was MH17 Sabotaged By An
Israeli
Security Team At Amsterdam
Schiphol Airport?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
Exclusive to Rense
7-20-14
As the only non-European journalist to cover The Hague
inquiry into the Amsterdam crash of El Al flight 1862
(October 1992), which destroyed a Biljmeer district
apartment complex, I discovered many aspects of the
Israeli security set-up at Schipol International Airport and
the role of the Mossad intelligence agency in secret
operations there, one of Europe’s business transport hubs.
This same airport spy network is very likely involved in
the recent crash of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 over the
Ukraine.
Covering the Biljmeer crash for Japan Playboy, I
uncovered the sordid facts of how the official
investigation back then was undone by a large network of
Israeli intelligence agents who paid hush money to
victims’ families, pressured injured firefighters from
filing lawsuits over radiation exposure, and suppressed
data from the hangar where the wreckage was stored.
The crippled El Al cargo jet, leased from UPS, had
transported from JFK Airport in New York a secret load of
weapons including plutonium, depleted uranium and a
bioweapon called mycoplasm in its cargo bay before
crashing on an attempt to return to Schipol Airport, in an
operation directed by the Israeli intelligence service
instead of Dutch flight officials.
Once again, this time in the destruction of MH17, there is
an Israeli-connected air crash with political ramifications
involving Israeli strategic interests, inside Israel exactly
when its military launches an invasion of Gaza and in
troubled Ukraine, a supplier of military electronics to the
IDF.
Security at Schipol Airport is operated by ICTS, an Israeli-
owned airport security company based in The
Netherlands founded by former officers of the Shin Beit
intelligence agency. Its subsidiaries are also involved in
key security functions there, including ProCheck,
Ramasso and I-SEC.
The Israeli security company has a record of staging false
flag operations, including the September 11, 2001 attacks.
ICaTS subsidiary Huntleigh provided passenger and
baggage inspection services at Boston Logan Airport,
where two of the four jetliners used in the 911 attack
originated.
At Schipol Airport on Christmas 2009, ICTS allowed the
“Underwear Bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallah armed
with explosives to slip past “sniffer” detectors to board a
Detroit-bound Northwest flight, an incident that was a
boon to Homeland Security and the global war on
terrorism.
Initial information, even before the start of an official
inquiry into MH17, raise serious questions of whether
Israeli intelligence tampered with the flight controls and
radar identification (transponder) system of the
Malaysian-operated Boeing-777.
- MH17 deviated from the civilian flight path, which
should cross close to the exit mouth of the Azov Sea, away
from the current battle zone between the Ukraine
military and militant ethnic Russian irregulars. Instead its
navigation steered the jetliner on a more northerly course
in contested airspace, where Ukraine military aircraft
conduct both air strikes and troop transport missions,
putting the Malaysian Airlines jet into jeopardy.
- The wide-body Boeing-777 jumbo jet is similar in profile
to the Antonov (built by Kharkov Aircraft Industries in
Ukraine) and Ilyushin (Russian-built) transport craft in
service with the Ukraine military and air cargo fleets. At
higher altitudes (MH17 was flying at 35,000 feet), the
only way from ground level to identify a plane is by a
coded radar response from its transponder signal. One
possibility was that MH17 was programmed with a false
responder code; while another problem could have been
confusion with the transponder beam from a nearby
Ukraine military craft. A more sinister scenario is the
sending of a false ID signal from a ground-based vehicle.
In short, Israeli operatives could have loaded a bomb onto
MH17 or used a false responder signal to lure a rebel
missile battery to intercept a suspected incoming troop
landing. Another issue for investigation, if these scenarios
are verified, is the unspoken connection between the
Boeing Corporation and the Israeli intelligence services.
Boeing would have key data on tampering of any of its
aircraft control systems, and both MH17 and MH370 were
Boeing-777s.
Israeli intelligence had three possible motives for
orchestrating a false flag incident blamed on ethnic
Russians or on the Kremlin.
- first, the MH17 crash diverted international media
attention from the launch of the Israeli invasion of Gaza,
which is a serious rupture of existing peace accords and a
massive assault on human rights. Malaysia is an
outspoken voice in the UN and the world media on
Palestinian rights in Gaza.
- second, Israel, even with the Zionist economic interests
in Russia such as BP, has a historical interest in the 45
000-member strong Jewish community in the port of
Odessa, which has a large stake in the financial sector,
military electronics industry, missile production and
weapons factories. PBN and GQR, lobbying organizations
controlled by American Jewish neoconservatives, are the
most influential force in Ukraine politics.
- third, the destruction of MH17 serves as a warning to
the governments of Malaysia and Australia to cease any
further investigation into the strong possibility that
MH370 was hijacked by the Israeli military. MH370 was
carrying engineers, designers, prototypes, specifications
and a chip foundry for the world’s smallest microchip,
the KL series. The leading edge technology is needed for
Israel’s crash program to build a drone army, especially
mini-robots capable of infiltrating Iran’s nuclear plants.
(This writer has extensively researched a nd uncovered
Israeli involvement in the MH370 hijacking at rense.com)
One point of bias that needs to be disclosed is that this
writer is a sympathizer of Ukraine independence and
opposes Russian intervention. In specific incidents,
however, such as the destruction of MH17, one’s
preferences must be set aside in pursuit of the facts
relevant to the case. The Israeli role in this affair cannot
be ignored, especially considering its abiding interests in
independent Ukraine. Therefore, the Kiev government
should launch an investigation into the possibility of
sabotage by an ally so as not to harm& nbsp;its legitimacy
by incriminating itself together with Israeli state-
sponsored terrorism, legitimate grounds for reprisal by its
adversary. A Ukraine that claims to be independent
should try to be independent.
As an investigation team approaches the crash site, the
real cover-up is yet to begin. The family members and
friends of both targeted Malaysian Airlines jetliners are
owed the truth and the culprits must be dragged to
justice.
Yoichi Shimatsu is a science and technology journalist
based in Hong Kong and former editor of The Japan Times
Weekly in Tokyo.
 

aragorn

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@rymw: the article by Rense was already posted in this thread, here. But no worries, just remember to use the search function before the next time you post. :)
 

Wisteria

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asino

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Wisteria said:
Has anyone shared this article already? I couldn't find it via the search function...

http://investmentwatchblog.com/new-mh17-sensation-german-experts-point-finger-at-ukrainian-air-force-jets/

I can't read German (or speak it for that matter), so I can't really track down the original article and verify any of this unfortunately.
The original article has just been published on SOTT, http://www.sott.net/article/282840-Shocking-Analysis-of-the-Shooting-Down-of-Malaysian-MH17
It expands a lot on my quick&dirty analysis of the same fragment, earlier in this thread OSIT.
.A
 

Joe

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A larger version of the same image. Seems to me that the only two explanations for this pattern of damage are a bomb inside or a missile hitting the other side and fragments passing through and out.
 

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Don't know what to make of this development and wonder if it's a result of U.S. sanctions?

Moscow Stock Exchange Breaks - Trading Halted
_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-30/moscow-stock-exchange-breaks-trading-halted

Wednesday July 30, 2014

No reasons given but Moscow Stock Exchange has just suspended trading with no reasons specified...

One can't help but wonder if this is another 'sanction' that was not officially described by President Obama and Jack Lew...

One glimpse at the following chart of Russian stocks today and one wonders if the West needed to arrest the gains that their "costs" had imposed...
 

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Another interesting numerology "coincidence" :

Russia's last ruling monarch of the Romanov family Tsar Nicholas II, together with his wife Tsarina Alexandra and their five children Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei were executed on 17 July 1918. Subliminal message to Putin?
It's on SOTT: http://www.sott.net/article/283045-Vanishing-Aircraft-Numerology-and-the-Global-Elite-How-Air-Algerie-AH5017-Air-France-447-and-Malaysian-MH370-and-MH17-are-all-connected
 

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Approaching Infinity said:
Video analysis of the 'leaked' phone call from SBU.
They should have known that analysts would have been all over that recording. If they didn't, they aren't very smart; if they did realize it, then either they don't care, or they know that doing stuff like that can get the sheeple riled up and un-riling doesn't happen when the truth comes out.
 

aragorn

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Laura said:
Approaching Infinity said:
Video analysis of the 'leaked' phone call from SBU.
They should have known that analysts would have been all over that recording. If they didn't, they aren't very smart; if they did realize it, then either they don't care, or they know that doing stuff like that can get the sheeple riled up and un-riling doesn't happen when the truth comes out.
Sorry, I didn't quite understand that last bit about "...un-riling doesn't happen when the truth comes out."
 
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