The Ukrainian Oligarch Igor Kolomoysky denies the accusation for the Boeing MH17 crash, considering the incident itself "a trifle"
Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine
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RT documentary on the MH17 crash
_http://rt.com/shows/documentary/197540-mh-17-crash-ukraine/
Nothing really new, but found the eye witnesses who saw it happen particularly interesting especially reports of a jet.
_http://rt.com/shows/documentary/197540-mh-17-crash-ukraine/
Nothing really new, but found the eye witnesses who saw it happen particularly interesting especially reports of a jet.
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A Dutch journalist has published a book on MH17 and it's investigation.
“MH17: The Cover-up Deal”: Dutch journalist publishes revealing book
_http://ilaelamam.com/2014/10/29/mh17-the-cover-up-deal-dutch-journalist-publishes-revealing-book/
Wednesday Oct. 29. 2014
“On July 17, 2014 a Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines (flight MH17) crashed over eastern Ukraine. All 298 passengers were killed, including 193 Dutch. The Netherlands were given charge of the investigation into the cause of the disaster, but signed a cover-up deal with Kiev, and thus became a pawn in an international political game."
In “MH17: The Cover-up Deal”, Dutch author Joost Niemöller connects the dots. The most striking facts are listed and the main theories – from all camps – are evaluated. The author observes worrying developments, and outlines a world where major interests stand in the way of finding out the truth, and where a deal is more important than forensic material.”
The foregoing is the translated summary of the Dutch book “MH17: De doofpotdeal” [MH17: The Cover-up Deal] by Dutch journalist and author Joost Niemöller (1957), which was released on October 28. So far, only one of the major Dutch newspapers paid attention to it. De Volkskrant offered a platform for the author on its Opinion page. Mr Niemöller writes [translated]:
Three months after the attack, the discontent and frustration regarding MH17 in the Netherlands seems to increase more and more. The anger is aimed at the government, but the government appears to be unable to give satisfying answers about the perpetrator of the crash. This was first manifested when Dutch FM Timmermans [on October 8] spoke about the oxygen cap that one of the MH17 victims was wearing. Does the Dutch government know much more than it is willing to reveal?
Also a promise had been made by the government. No stone should be left unturned, Dutch PM Rutte said on the day after the crash. But we still have not seen the other side of those stones. The government now responds to parliamentary questions about the facts behind the attack by saying: just wait for the results of the research. This might mean a very long time of waiting. In a year, the Research Council will publish a report which won’t say anything about the perpetrator, because that does not fit with the intent of the Council. The Public Prosecutor only mentioned that it has started the research and that they are looking for further information on a rocket. But there is no attention for real, structural, research problem created by this government.
The Netherlands, being the country that leads the international investigation, has organized the research of both the Public Prosecutor and the Research Council in a way that makes objective investigation impossible in advance. This arises out of the course of events. Ukraine was the first party to do the research. This is subject to international agreements made by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). After several days of secret talks with Dutch FM Timmermans in Kiev, the research was ‘delegated’ to the Netherlands, by means of a series of appointments. The agreements that the Research Council made with Kiev initially were not released, but after all, incidentally posted on the website of the Council. Please note that this happened at the same time when the Dutch government reported to the House of Representatives that those agreements should not be made public yet.
Among other things those agreements include that Ukraine and the Netherlands are committed to a complete exchange of information, that they can force each other to secrecy, and that Ukrainian researchers should participate in the Dutch research. As for the agreements for the Public Prosecutor, these became public thanks to the loose-tongued Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko, who at a press conference in Kiev on August 10 stated that the countries that have signed the deal – except the Netherlands and Ukraine also Belgium, Australia and possibly also Malaysia – have veto power over the conduct of the research. So if Kiev does not like certain results, the actual research will be cancelled. The Dutch government is silent about this deal with the Public Prosecutor. (Etc.)
“MH17: The Cover-up Deal”: Dutch journalist publishes revealing book
_http://ilaelamam.com/2014/10/29/mh17-the-cover-up-deal-dutch-journalist-publishes-revealing-book/
Wednesday Oct. 29. 2014
“On July 17, 2014 a Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines (flight MH17) crashed over eastern Ukraine. All 298 passengers were killed, including 193 Dutch. The Netherlands were given charge of the investigation into the cause of the disaster, but signed a cover-up deal with Kiev, and thus became a pawn in an international political game."
In “MH17: The Cover-up Deal”, Dutch author Joost Niemöller connects the dots. The most striking facts are listed and the main theories – from all camps – are evaluated. The author observes worrying developments, and outlines a world where major interests stand in the way of finding out the truth, and where a deal is more important than forensic material.”
The foregoing is the translated summary of the Dutch book “MH17: De doofpotdeal” [MH17: The Cover-up Deal] by Dutch journalist and author Joost Niemöller (1957), which was released on October 28. So far, only one of the major Dutch newspapers paid attention to it. De Volkskrant offered a platform for the author on its Opinion page. Mr Niemöller writes [translated]:
Three months after the attack, the discontent and frustration regarding MH17 in the Netherlands seems to increase more and more. The anger is aimed at the government, but the government appears to be unable to give satisfying answers about the perpetrator of the crash. This was first manifested when Dutch FM Timmermans [on October 8] spoke about the oxygen cap that one of the MH17 victims was wearing. Does the Dutch government know much more than it is willing to reveal?
Also a promise had been made by the government. No stone should be left unturned, Dutch PM Rutte said on the day after the crash. But we still have not seen the other side of those stones. The government now responds to parliamentary questions about the facts behind the attack by saying: just wait for the results of the research. This might mean a very long time of waiting. In a year, the Research Council will publish a report which won’t say anything about the perpetrator, because that does not fit with the intent of the Council. The Public Prosecutor only mentioned that it has started the research and that they are looking for further information on a rocket. But there is no attention for real, structural, research problem created by this government.
The Netherlands, being the country that leads the international investigation, has organized the research of both the Public Prosecutor and the Research Council in a way that makes objective investigation impossible in advance. This arises out of the course of events. Ukraine was the first party to do the research. This is subject to international agreements made by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). After several days of secret talks with Dutch FM Timmermans in Kiev, the research was ‘delegated’ to the Netherlands, by means of a series of appointments. The agreements that the Research Council made with Kiev initially were not released, but after all, incidentally posted on the website of the Council. Please note that this happened at the same time when the Dutch government reported to the House of Representatives that those agreements should not be made public yet.
Among other things those agreements include that Ukraine and the Netherlands are committed to a complete exchange of information, that they can force each other to secrecy, and that Ukrainian researchers should participate in the Dutch research. As for the agreements for the Public Prosecutor, these became public thanks to the loose-tongued Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko, who at a press conference in Kiev on August 10 stated that the countries that have signed the deal – except the Netherlands and Ukraine also Belgium, Australia and possibly also Malaysia – have veto power over the conduct of the research. So if Kiev does not like certain results, the actual research will be cancelled. The Dutch government is silent about this deal with the Public Prosecutor. (Etc.)
A video about MH17 taken down shortly after being released by the BBC: _http://vimeo.com/111325917 In it two women mention two fighter jets and that there were two explosions in the air, after that there is the official version, which the journalist tests and find lacking. Found on _https://www.facebook.com/groups/InternationalFriendsofRussia/permalink/781021988610864/
Siberia said:
Here it is with the full transcript of the video in English:
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/satellite-photo-of-fighter-jet-zapping-mg17-courtesy-of-one-george-bilt-who-he/
Siberia said:RedFox said:
It will also be interesting to watch who will be "shift-fronted" in Australia tomorrow at G20 Summit..
Oh yes indeed, it was only a matter of time, and what good timing with Abbott aka
. Thanks for the English transcript PoB.
Found this blog with tweets claiming to debunk the photo: _http://www.mfs-theothernews.com/2014/11/video-russian-channel-1-says-it.html
Summary: logo looks to be in wrong place on plane, jet fighter doesn't have outline of Su-25, trajectory of plane seems wrong. Could use some looking into.
Summary: logo looks to be in wrong place on plane, jet fighter doesn't have outline of Su-25, trajectory of plane seems wrong. Could use some looking into.
Possibility of Being said:
Update from that blog:
I think this is going to be debunked and perhaps used (if it is covered at all by Western press) as subtle 'evidence' that the missile from a Ukie jet angle is discredited, precisely because of bogus "evidence" such as this image. The first problem being that the data came from a US satellite.
