Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine

From: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/06/eye-to-light-up-steel-wall-comemmorating-mh17-victims/

‘Grief’ monument to commemorate MH17 victims

June 30, 2016

Victims of the MH17 flight disaster are set to be commemorated in a monument reflecting the sun’s rays to light up their 298 names.

NOS reports (in Dutch) that relatives of victims of the Malaysia Airlines flight shot down in July 2014 have chosen a design by modern sculptor Ronald Westerhuis, from a choice of five proposals.

A steel wall, 6m high and 25m long, will be engraved with the names of the victims, about two-thirds of whom were Dutch. In front will stand a stainless steel sculpture shaped like an eye, which will reflect light onto the wall as the sun’s rays pass.

‘The steel will be a defense,’ the sculptor told NOS. ‘It stands for grief. And memory [the reflected sun] will literally light up the sadness.’

His monument is set to be built in the remembrance wood in Vijfhuizen, North Holland, and was supported by 161 votes (compared to 61 or fewer for other proposed designs).

Esther Visser, from the MH17 air disaster foundation, said they had hoped for a clear favorite when relatives were shown the design on May 21, to make it ‘easier’.
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Here the artist explains his design (in Dutch, with English subtitles):


YouTube said:
For the tragic crash of the Malaysia airlines plane 'MH17', Ronald A. Westerhuis designed a place to find consolation.

In his presentation for the family members of the victims, Ronald explained he sees monuments as something that overtakes you with respect for the tragedy, even if you never lived it. This is seen in the size of the monument and the insurance of silence because of the echos caused by the curved wall. The symbolism in the design gently brings every aspect of mourning to bid.

As seen in the video, the monument is about grief, miss, memory's, and has the beautiful message of 'lighten grief with one eye to the sky'.
'It's not essential my monument is the chosen one, it's essential there is going to be one', says Ronald.
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Palinurus said:
From: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/06/eye-to-light-up-steel-wall-comemmorating-mh17-victims/

‘Grief’ monument to commemorate MH17 victims

June 30, 2016

Victims of the MH17 flight disaster are set to be commemorated in a monument reflecting the sun’s rays to light up their 298 names.

NOS reports (in Dutch) that relatives of victims of the Malaysia Airlines flight shot down in July 2014 have chosen a design by modern sculptor Ronald Westerhuis, from a choice of five proposals.
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Thanks for Posting the information on a commemorate monument for the MH17 Victims, Palinurus.

Considering the Families are still hoping for answers to this tragedy, the Monument may bring some gentle
consolation to help them work through their grief? At least, it's some recognition, in a dignified way, of the innocent lives lost that fateful day.
 
[quote author= angelburst29]Considering the Families are still hoping for answers to this tragedy, the Monument may bring some gentle consolation to help them work through their grief? At least, it's some recognition, in a dignified way, of the innocent lives lost that fateful day.[/quote]

It wouldn't suprise me if the PTB selected mainly Dutch victims because of the willing compliance of the Dutch government. Our Dutch officials acted out as perfect propagandists mouthpieces in their crusade against Russia.

Entire families where murdered that day. True grief can only be found in truth and justice if you ask me. I hope that one day all responsible parties will be hanged, this includes our prime minister.
 
Thanks bjorn, I couldn't agree more.

It's not only the MH17 tragedy but also the handling of the outcome of the Ukraine treaty referendum (61% of the voters rejected it) which is a mess too.

Latest developments on that one here: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/06/the-netherlands-threatens-not-to-ratify-ukraine-treaty/

The Netherlands threatens not to ratify Ukraine treaty

June 29, 2016

Prime minister Mark Rutte has raised the issue of amending the EU’s treaty of association with Ukraine with European officials following the Dutch no vote in April’s referendum.

Rutte is hoping the treaty can be amended to take away objections raised by people who voted against the treaty, broadcaster NOS said (in Dutch). Some 32% of the Dutch population voted in the referendum and 61% said no, meaning the government is forced to take its results into account.

The NOS said Rutte has been given ‘time’ by other European leaders to decide what should be done with the results of the referendum.

‘The problem is that if we don’t sign, the other countries will press ahead and the Netherlands will be left out. But signing, without taking the Dutch no into account will be very tricky,’ he said.

‘We are going to try, but if it does not work, we will not sign,’ Rutte is quoted as saying by the broadcaster.

The Volkskrant says that a confidential report on Tuesday’s meeting shows that Rutte has said he is prepared to sign the deal if Dutch concerns can be taken account of in a legally-binding way.
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And here: http://www.nltimes.nl/2016/06/29/dutch-pm-wants-change-eu-treaty-ukraine/

Dutch PM wants to change EU treaty with Ukraine

Posted on Jun 29, 2016 by Janene Pieters

Prime Minister Mark Rutte wants to change the association agreement between the European Union and the Ukraine in such a way that the concerns of the Dutch who voted against the agreement are alleviated. He is not sure whether this will be possible, but will make every effort to see whether it is, NOS reports.

Dutch voters voted against the Netherlands ratifying the association agreement with the Ukraine in a referendum on April 6th. Other EU countries already ratified the agreement. On Tuesday EU leaders gave Rutte some time to see what to do about the outcome of the referendum.

The results of the agreement is not binding on the Dutch government. But does put the government in a difficult position – it does not want to ignore the voters, but also does not want to stand alone in Europe. “The problem is that if we do not sign, the others countries will continue and the Netherlands will be left out. However, signing without paying attention to the Dutch no is very difficult”, Rutte said, according to the broadcaster.

He fears that any compromise they come up with will leave either the EU or the no-voters unhappy. “We’re going to try”, he said, adding that the Netherlands won’t ratify the agreement if no solution is found. “Again, if it does not succeed we will not sign.”

To an accusation that the government would make the no-vote disappear into a kind of Brussels bureaucracy he responded: “What do you think. I can’t just magic the result of the referendum away.”
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The Ukraine has already stated that there's no interest whatsoever on their part in any amendments or other shenanigans.
 
This is a surprising "twist" to the situation?

The investigation team, dealing with the Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 crash in Ukraine, will visit Moscow.
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Malaysian Airlines MH17 Investigation Team to Visit Moscow - Lawmaker
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160702/1042340742/malaysia-russia-visit-mh17.html

The Joint Investigation Team (JIT), dealing with the Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 crash in Ukraine in 2014, is expected to arrive in Moscow to establish contacts with Russian representatives, Nikolay Kovalev, the Russian lawmaker heading the Russian delegation at the OSCE, said Saturday.

"There was a meeting with the Dutch delegation on the sidelines of the [OSCE] Parliamentary Assembly. [The Dutch side] repeatedly speaks about the need for a tribunal to deal with the MH17 issue. The international commission [including Dutch experts]… is expected to arrive in Moscow in a week or two in order to establish direct contact with the Russian representatives, who are expected to be brought to the investigation of this incident," Kovalev told reporters.

According to Kovalev, the head of the Dutch delegation reported about this upcoming visit.

"As the Dutch representative said at a session, they have not received all the information from Russia… We agreed to cooperate and exchange the data, which we have," Kovalev said.

According to the lawmaker, Russia has sent its materials to the JIT.

"I have a feeling that our conclusions have not been taken into account," Kovalev added.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crashed with 298 people on board on July 17, 2014, in eastern Ukraine, while en route to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam, leaving no survivors. Kiev and independence supporters in Donbas have blamed each other for the downing of the MH17 plane.

Dutch investigators published a report in October 2015 claiming that the Malaysia Airlines aircraft appeared to have been downed using a Russia-produced Buk surface-to-air missile system. The report did not identify the exact location from where the missile was fired. The investigators also slammed Kiev for closing its eyes to apparent threats to civil aviation.
 
Thanks for finding and sharing this, angelburst29.

This is a surprising "twist" to the situation?
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AFAIK, not really no; not as such. This visit has been talked about for months (behind the scenes) and --as these things take time to organize-- they only now announced the specifics around it.

It only would become a surprising twist when they came back with new evidence of a nature that runs counter to what has been published so far and/or was publicly acknowledged up until now.

I'm not holding my breath on that one though -- but one never knows...

We'll have to wait and see, as usual.

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Palinurus said:
Thanks for finding and sharing this, angelburst29.

This is a surprising "twist" to the situation?
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AFAIK, not really no; not as such. This visit has been talked about for months (behind the scenes) and --as these things take time to organize-- they only now announced the specifics around it.

It only would become a surprising twist when they came back with new evidence of a nature that runs counter to what has been published so far and/or was publicly acknowledged up until now.

I'm not holding my breath on that one though -- but one never knows...

We'll have to wait and see, as usual.

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Just speculating that the Russians may indeed have compelling evidence to offer, so the question might be, what is it and will it be ignored as usual? It is known that the U.S. offered nothing other than its usual rhetoric - blowing in the wind. So as you said, will have wait and see.
 
Update for archiving purposes.

The arrival of the JIT-team in Moscow has been confirmed: http://www.rferl.org/content/dutch-investigators-mh17-in-moscow-two-day-visit-eastern-ukraine-crash-buk-missile/27840750.html

Also on SOTT (with slightly faulty header): https://www.sott.net/article/321594-Two-Dutch-MH17-crash-investigators-visit-Moscow-for-2-day-visit

The farce around the Dutch referendum continues: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/07/rutte-not-hopeful-about-changing-ukraine-treaty/
 
Most Dutch families of the Malaysia Airlines MH17 flight downed over eastern Ukraine in 2014 have agreed on a compensation deal with the airline, local media reported on Sunday.

Malaysia Airlines Reaches Compensation Deal With Families of Crash Victims
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160717/1043164904/compensation-mh17-deal.html

Negotiations between a team of the families' lawyers and the Malaysia Airlines concluded exactly two years after the crash, the Dutch NOS public broadcaster reported, citing a lawyer involved in the case.

Details of the compensation deal have not been disclosed.
 
Thanks for finding and sharing, angelburst29.

It is exactly two years today since the downing of MH17 and there have been commemorations held in Malaysia and The Netherlands. Maybe elsewhere too (Australia, for instance).

It was also the final deadline for reaching agreement on compensation and/or laying claim to such.

AFAIK, the compensation deals were only agreed upon in broad outline and details still have to be hammered out thereafter. That explains the current non-disclosure I think.
 
Just archiving: http://www.nltimes.nl/2016/07/18/over-800-relatives-commemorate-2nd-anniversary-of-mh17-disaster/

And another commemorative one from SOTT (Paul Craig Roberts): https://www.sott.net/article/322347-MH-17-Russia-did-it-Convicted-by-propaganda-not-by-evidence
 
Today SOTT carries a complete filleting and shredding by Robert Parry of a recent (July 15) NY Times report on two allegedly doctored Russian satellite images from two years ago:

https://www.sott.net/article/322612-MH-17-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-Two-years-and-counting-of-anti-Russian-propaganda
 
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