loreta said:
Here more altercations in front of the barrier.
I would like to add a Statement that I found on a commentary in an Austrian Newspaper:
Grenzen sind nicht moralischen Bewertungen zu unterwerfen. Grenzen schützen die Menschen die innerhalb dieser Grenzen leben. Gleichzeitig definieren sie ein Gebiet, innerhalb dieser Grenzen bestimmte Gesetze gelten, die durchaus von anderen Ländern abweichen. Ungarn hat sich entschieden, dass Menschen muslimischen Glaubens in Ungarn keinen Zuzug erhalten. An den offiziellen Grenzübergängen bekommen die Flüchtlinge jedoch Einlass nach Ungarn. Jeder Staat möchte berechtigt wissen wer in sein Land will und sei es
auch nur zur Durchreise. Das ist nicht nur legitim, sondern auch Selbstschutz. In den USA werden sie einfach ohne Begründung abgewiesen und das ist nach internationalen Gesetzen auch das Recht der USA.
Wenn eine fremde Person oder mehrere in ihr Haus möchte, dann machen sie nicht die Fenster auf, sondern bitten sie zur TÜR. Dann bitten Sie bestimmt um eine Legitimation oder einen Ausweis um sicher zu gehen,
dass alles seine Ordnung hat. Die Gestaltung ihrer Tür oder Zauns ist ganz allein Ihre Sache, denn es ist ihr Geld mit dem sie die Tür bezahlt haben.
Borders are not to be subordinated by moral judgings. Borders are protecting people who are living withing this boarders. At the same time they define an area whichin there are certain rules that might differ from other countries. Hungary has decided to forbid muslims to settle down in Hungary. At the official boardercrossings refugees can enter Hungary. It is the right of each state to know who wants to get in his Country and if it is only for trespassing. Thats not only legitim but even protecting himself. In the USA they will be rejected without reason and thats according to international law the right of the USA.
If one ore more strangers will come to your house you will not open your window but ask them to take the door. You probably will ask for a identification to be sure that everything is right. They way you design your fence is only up to you, because it simply is your money you had to pay for it.
Although I do not agree with everything here there are two Points I find important. One is the point of boarders.
We live in a time where boarders obviously are something bad. In the description above I think one can see that they are necessary, too. We dont live in paradise but in a world where there is violence and on the long run we will all have to face a situation similar to that.
Another point with the problem of boarders: Some weeks ago I was talking to a guy who is working with young people and he told me that they expressed their happiness about his giving them boarders, something which is very seldom today and a lot of people suffer from that kind of boarderlessness. (I am sorry I have to keep myself short because of time)
In my opinion those two things belong together.
Another point about that Video: Before closing the boarders Hungary announced some days before that they will do so. So why did those people go there? Shouldn't they respect the decision and find a different way, as they are doing now? And what kind of husband is it to bring a pregnant woman in such a situation? Why did they throw stones?
I am afraid my arguments might seem raw and I was a little bit afraid of putting a statement like this. Very often one is called a heartless racist, fascist for saying something like that.
I also have been reading the interviews with Orban. I dont think that he is a good guy, or whatever one could say about a politician. Nevertheless what he says is in a way reasonable:
[/i]Orban:
Ich erkenne eine Schwäche christlicher Gesellschaften. Die Muslime sind stärker, sie haben mehr Respekt vor dem Leben, der Familie und Kindern, mehr Respekt vor kultureller Einheit.
I see weakness in Christian societies. Muslims are stronger, they have more respect for life, Family and children, more respect for cultural unity.
Question:
Aber sie sind nicht erfolgreich. Vergleichen Sie die muslimischen Staaten mit den europäischen.
But they are not successful - compare muslim states to european!
Orban:
Erfolg, wie wir ihn verstehen, ist nicht das Wichtigste im Leben. Die Muslime haben da einen anderen Zugang.
Success, how we define it, is not the most important Thing in life. Muslims have a different Access.
Question:
Sie haben doch vorhin selbst gesagt, dass die muslimischen Migranten ein besseres Leben in Europa haben wollen.
You said before that muslim migrants want a better life in Europe
Orban:
Sie wollen bessere Lebensbedingungen, aber nicht ihre Einstellungen und ihre Kultur ändern. Viele Europäer sitzen da einer Illusion auf.
They want better conditions for life but no changings in their views and cultures. Many Europeans hang on to an illusion about that.
The last sentence being definitely true. Because a lot of the "we help the refugees" supporters dont have their feet on the ground but just having an event: Oh, lets organize a concert for the refugees! Great! Wonderful! Oh, lets do some runnig for the refugees! Oh, Great, wonderful! Lets have a Demonstration! Great, wonderful! There is no real Feeling behind all that.
Before you call me a racist, fascist or something like that please keep in mind that one of my best teachers is a muslim woman, my supporter for computers comes from Serbia, some friends of mine are Jewish, Palestine, Czech.
It is just that the situation should be seen in total . . . .
This is the link for the german Speakers: As I said I dont agree with everything but in fact he has his feet more on the ground than other ones.
http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/4822692/Orban_Muslime-werden-bald-mehr-als-wir-sein
