Mass Migration - a plan, or just a consequence of some other plan

[thorbiorn]

I've been watching a few interviews with Bashar al-Assad, and I thought he made an interesting remark in this clip. The interviewer asks him:

"According to SÄPO, the Swedish intelligence agency, returning jihadists – there are many here in Syria now – returning jihadists are the biggest domestic threat in Sweden today. Do you agree?"

Assad: "I wouldn’t look at terrorism as domestic or as regional. As I said, it’s global. So, if you want to look at Sweden as part of Europe or part of the Scandinavian group of European countries, you have to take into consideration that the most dangerous leaders of ISIS in our region are Scandinavian."
[...]

I tried to find out more. Regarding supporter of IS/FSA in Scandinavia, there is an article which describes some of the groups: https://www.hate-speech.org/the-nordic-jihadists/
A year ago 300-350 Danes, Swedes and Norwegian were estimated to be involved in Syria:
http://www.thelocal.dk/20140924/new-fears-of-scandinavians-joining-islamic-state But that is only 10 percent of the total for Europe.
From available sources and taking the case of Denmark it turns out that at the end of 2014, 110 Danes were estimated to have been involved in Syria:
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dansk_deltagelse_i_den_syriske_borgerkrig
According to this page at least 17 Danes have been killed, see photos here: https://syrienblog.net/artikler/danskere-i-syrien/ If you look at the pictures of the now dead militants, two appear to be ethnic Europeans the rest have a variety of backgrounds.
At least one acted like IS is doing in the media:
http://www.thelocal.dk/20140923/danish-jihadist-poses-with-severed-heads-in-syria
Looking back on why they went, the FSA anti Assad stance in the local media might have contributed

The majority of Danish citizens who have been in Syria have fought with FSA and associate plus IS, a small minority including one woman has fought with the Kurds against IS. Below are some links in Danish which give such an example.

In an article about Danish Kurdic woman that later went to fight IS in Iraque, although she originally wanted to join the Kurds in Syria she is quoted as saying:

»The Islamic groups brain wash the young generation in Denmark and call them to go to Syria or Iraque and fight for a Caliphate. This is not the way of PKK and other groups. All the ones I know in the Kurdic areas, have told me that I should rather get an education and support the Kurdic issue politically. But right now, the Kurds are under attack, and if I travel down there, it is, because I personally want it. I would rather die in a fight, than die fleeing." says Joanna Palani, who herself has lived in the first years of her life in a refugee camp in Iraque.

This does not mean that all youth get brain washed, she speaks about activity of some islamic groups in Denmark and what they do for some their followers, which motivates them to go and fight. Her statement that she would rather die fighting than fleeing, is understandable, even though she did not have to, considering what the follow up response in parts of the EU may be. I thinking of the prospects of a holocaust 2.0, but the people who end up in Northern Sweden around the Polar circle may also find themselves exposed.
Responding to someone, in Danish, who commented on the role of Denmark as a transit country for refugees to go to the promised land, Sweden, Palani writes, if I translate her position:

"I think we [Denmark] should help, but as we are doing now is the wrong way. The problem is not DK but the war down here. So the solution should also be found here.. otherwise it is not an end."

I think Vladimir Putin would agree that solutions have to be found, where the conflict is.

For the record, and perhaps more for Scandinavian readers, there is an interview with Palani, although it is in Danish, but one can translate the text: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/valg2015/danske-joanna-kaemper-i-irak-mod-islamisk-stat and there is a documentary in Danish: http://www.b.dk/globalt/dokumentar-joanna-en-dansker-i-krig The government has not yet found out, if it okay for private people, like Joanna to fight against IS. http://www.politiko.dk/nyheder/dansk-kurder-risikerer-terrordom-for-at-gaa-i-krig-mod-islamisk-stat

 

[Inquorate]

Here's a pretty good analysis by Syria Girl
#RefugeeCrisis: What The Media Is Hiding, Help #S…: http://youtu.be/pHFnvFbThDE

 

[thorbiorn]

Here's a pretty good analysis by Syria Girl
#RefugeeCrisis: What The Media Is Hiding, Help #S…: http://youtu.be/pHFnvFbThDE

Nice video. For those who have not watched, the basic idea it that people in Western Countries rather than protest against the government because of their refugee policy, they should protest against them for supporting the Islamic groups operating in Syria. She does not think the future of the Syrian people is to become permanent refugees without a country, like the Palestinians. Rather conditions should be created in Syria, so people can return.

 

[Hesper]

Here's a pretty good analysis by Syria Girl
#RefugeeCrisis: What The Media Is Hiding, Help #S…: http://youtu.be/pHFnvFbThDE

Nice video. For those who have not watched, the basic idea it that people in Western Countries rather than protest against the government because of their refugee policy, they should protest against them for supporting the Islamic groups operating in Syria. She does not think the future of the Syrian people is to become permanent refugees without a country, like the Palestinians. Rather conditions should be created in Syria, so people can return.

Thanks to NATO it looks like this refugee status might be pretty permanent, unless something big can happen (like Russian influence) to change that. But even then I imagine it would take serious time to sort out this terrorist infestation that NATO's invested so much freaking money on. The amount of stupidity and depravity in the countries these people are escaping is just unbelievable.

Since 2011, each and every one of the West's "color revolutions" has predictably devolved into armies of US-backed terrorists attempting to divide and destroy each nation. In Libya, this goal has already long-since been accomplished. In Egypt and Syria, with varying degrees of failure, this agenda has been stalled.

http://www.sott.net/article/301771-Psychopathic-strategies-Constructing-a-tactical-refugee-crisis

Hopefully it gets stalled for good, and the tide starts to turn big time.

 

[thorbiorn]

There was this article from Fort Rus, which gives the history behind the refugee crisis in the Balkans begining around 2002, when the first people began to arrive from the war zone in Afghanistan. The picture is most certainly not pretty http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/09/afghan-kosovo-mafia-migrant-smuggling.html

[...]They are robbing themselves. It’s common knowledge between the migrants that the Syrians are the ones with more money, so very often they are robbed by the Afghans and Pakistanis who are considered the most violent and the most aggressive. [..]

There is much more in that article, about the life of local population, how the police handle the stones being thrown at them, how efforts of volunteers to help with food are turned down etc.

 

[Cosmos]

It seems like germany want's "to team op with russia" now regarding syria:

http://southfront.org/syria-germany-leaving-the-ranks-of-the-us-alliance-against-russia/

I think it is likely that it is directly related to the latest happenings regarding the refugee crisis.
I have a hard time to believe that germany is really doing that out of his own interest.
Maybe they received an order from their masters to play nice with russia, so that they can later blame something on the "bad russians"?

 

[thorbiorn]

In another article on Fort Rus, translated by Kristina Rus from Izvestia, a Russian politician reflects on the path Europe has chosen or ended up in. He foresees that the destruction of Europe as we know it is unavoidable: http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/09/eduard-limonov-europes-self-destruction.html translated from http://izvestia.ru/news/591375?intref=relap Eduard Limonv ends his piece by saying:

[...]
In Russia, I learned today, there are 2.5 million refugees from Ukraine (or rather, 2 503 680 people), but they can not be distinguished from Russians. So assimilation is not threatening us. We will have the same eyes, same skin, the same religion. We will not have a problem of adaptation of Ukrainians. We happened to be in a better position than the unfortunate Europe, doomed to disappear in the form in which it existed for half a millennium.

I care. I would prefer old Europe. But if another option is impossible and Europe is hostile to Russia, let it disappear.

And last.

The process of self-destruction of the West is already irreversible. As Gorbachev used to say, "the process started".

We watched the process of self-destruction of the USSR. Now it's Europe's turn. To each its own.

 

[thorbiorn]

It seems like germany want's "to team op with russia" now regarding syria:

http://southfront.org/syria-germany-leaving-the-ranks-of-the-us-alliance-against-russia/

I think it is likely that it is directly related to the latest happenings regarding the refugee crisis.
I have a hard time to believe that germany is really doing that out of his own interest.
Maybe they received an order from their masters to play nice with russia, so that they can later blame something on the "bad russians"?

Well, it may be hard to believe, and yes it may be for show, but in fact there are Germans who disagree with the current policies as this short rant shows. It is in German but there are subs available in English. Could it be that such voices are being heard?

https://youtu.be/c1PEWCmEMJM

 

[Persej]

Yes, this is a very good description of the situation:

In order for the migrants not to flock to you, you must create for them unbearable conditions. But you will not do that. Well, not because you're kind, you're not kind, but your image of "well-wishers" is important, who just wiped their hands from the blood of citizens of the states shattered to pieces.

http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/09/eduard-limonov-europes-self-destruction.html

I mean, if they really care so much for the immigrants, if they really want to end their suffering, they can very easily arrange a safe travel for them from Turkey to Germany.

 

[Gawan]

It seems like germany want's "to team op with russia" now regarding syria:

http://southfront.org/syria-germany-leaving-the-ranks-of-the-us-alliance-against-russia/

I think it is likely that it is directly related to the latest happenings regarding the refugee crisis.
I have a hard time to believe that germany is really doing that out of his own interest.
Maybe they received an order from their masters to play nice with russia, so that they can later blame something on the "bad russians"?

Well, it may be hard to believe, and yes it may be for show, but in fact there are Germans who disagree with the current policies as this short rant shows. It is in German but there are subs available in English. Could it be that such voices are being heard?

I hope people do hear the rappers voice and at least his video got shared far and wide beyond the borders of Germany too.

And just thinking out loud here what happened in Germany in the last months. To me it seems some people are preparing for something big, because after Charlie Hebdo police brutality against Muslims started and people got kind of paranoid. Here is a list of what happened:

* Luggage was left here and there, which where "bombs" (Berlin Airport was partly closed), ICE train was stopped
* even a present was mistaken as a bomb
* Two Carneval parades got stopped beforehand of supposed terror threats
* Two persons got arrested with supposedly terror plans in Oberursel where later on a cycling race got stopped (supposedly contacts to Salafists and Al-Qaida at that time)
* bomb threats happened on several buildings in Germany
* The Salafist movement got stronger and was posed as the biggest threat in Germany (over several years already)
* innocent people got arrested or general house searches happened in several cities due to terror suspects
* "attacks" on building of the government happened several times (molotov cocktails)
* in the last months parties got attacked (CDU, The Linke) from supposedly extreme right winger
* puppet masters got more extreme in labeling people
* general in the last months several refugee shelters (and which should become one) got attacked or burned down, general threats against migrants
* people fought against each other of two supposing sites (lets say normal people vs. right wingers) and some (minor) politicians got death threats because they helped or supported refugees

To me it looks like a staged hysteria and preparing people for something and imo doesn't bode well.

 

[Aeneas]

And just thinking out loud here what happened in Germany in the last months. To me it seems some people are preparing for something big, because after Charlie Hebdo police brutality against Muslims started and people got kind of paranoid. Here is a list of what happened:

* Luggage was left here and there, which where "bombs" (Berlin Airport was partly closed), ICE train was stopped
* even a present was mistaken as a bomb
* Two Carneval parades got stopped beforehand of supposed terror threats
* Two persons got arrested with supposedly terror plans in Oberursel where later on a cycling race got stopped (supposedly contacts to Salafists and Al-Qaida at that time)
* bomb threats happened on several buildings in Germany
* The Salafist movement got stronger and was posed as the biggest threat in Germany (over several years already)
* innocent people got arrested or general house searches happened in several cities due to terror suspects
* "attacks" on building of the government happened several times (molotov cocktails)
* in the last months parties got attacked (CDU, The Linke) from supposedly extreme right winger
* puppet masters got more extreme in labeling people
* general in the last months several refugee shelters (and which should become one) got attacked or burned down, general threats against migrants
* people fought against each other of two supposing sites (lets say normal people vs. right wingers) and some (minor) politicians got death threats because they helped or supported refugees

To me it looks like a staged hysteria and preparing people for something and imo doesn't bode well.

Good collection of data, Gawan and I think you are right about staged hysteria. As Laura wrote 8 years ago in the article on Transmarginal Inhibition: http://www.sott.net/article/136090-Transmarginal-Inhibition

Four Main Types of Stress

Among Pavlov's most important findings was what can happen to conditioned behavior when the brain of a dog is pushed to the "ultraboundary" limit by stresses and conflict beyond its habitual response capacity. He was able to bring about what he called a "rupture in higher nervous activity" by utilizing four main types of imposed stresses.

1) The first type of stress was simply an increase in the intensity of the signal to which the dog was initially conditioned. If this was gradually increased, at a certain point, when the signal was too strong for its system, the dog would begin to break down.

2) The second way of achieving the ultraboundary event was to increase the time between the giving of the signal and the arrival of food. If a dog was conditioned to receive food five seconds after the warning signal, and this period was then prolonged, signs of restlessness and abnormal behavior would become evident in the less stable dogs. Pavlov discovered that the dog's brains revolted against any abnormally long waiting period while under stress. Breakdown would occur when the dog had to either exert very strong, or very prolonged, inhibition. (Human beings also find protracted waiting while under stress to be debilitating: worse than the event that produces the anxiety.)

3) The third way of inducing a breakdown was to confuse the dogs by anomalies in the conditioning signal. If positive and negative signals were given one after the other, (yes, no, yes, no, etc), the hungry dog would become uncertain as to what would happen next and this disrupted the normal nerve stability. This is also true with human beings.

4) The fourth way of inducing a breakdown in a dog was to destabilize the dog's physical condition in some way, either by subjecting it to long periods of work, inducing gastro-intestinal disorders, fever, disturbing the glandular balance, surgery, etc.

We can see how these stresses are being applied in various forms to us human beings.

Next Laura describes the three stages of "ultraboundary" inhibition:

Three Stages of TMI

Pavlov established that the ability of a dog to resist heavy stress not only depended on its type, but its physical condition. Once the ultraboundary had been reached and cerebral inhibition induced, very strange things began to happen in the dog's brain. These changes could be measured with some precision (by the amounts of saliva secreted), and, unlike with human beings, were not altered by subjective distortions. That is to say, there was no question of the dog trying to explain away or rationalize their odd behavior as human beings do. Three distinct and progressive stages of "ultraboundary" inhibition were described by Pavlov.

1)The Equivalent Phase of cortical brain activity. In this phase, all stimuli, of whatever strength resulted only in the same amounts of saliva being produced. In the human being, a similar phenomenon is observed when a normal person is in a state of extreme fatigue; they report that there is very little difference between their emotional reactions to either trivial or important experiences. They may say "I'm too tired to care."

2) The Paradoxical Phase. When even stronger stresses are applied (and this can be pain or any other mental, physical, or emotional stress), the equivalent phase passes into the paradoxical phase. In this state, weak stimuli can produce a stronger reaction than a strong stimuli. The reason for this is that the strong stimuli only increase the state of protective inhibition while the weak stimuli can still produce positive responses. When a human being is in this stage, their behavior can reverse in a way that seems totally irrational to an outside observer.

3) The Ultra-Paradoxical Phase. The third stage is where positive conditioned responses suddenly reverse to negative responses and negative ones to positive. The dog (or person) may suddenly find that they like what they formerly detested and loathe what they formerly loved. In this stage, the organism's response becomes opposed to all its previous conditioning.

[...]
This last discovery has great relevance to understanding similar changes in behavior in human beings. Toward the end of a long period of some type of debilitation, people of very strong character have been known to make a dramatic change in their beliefs and/or convictions. When they recover, they then are known to remain true to their new beliefs for the rest of their lives. There are many case histories of people who experience various types of conversion - religious, political, etc - during times of war, in prison, or after having some prolonged terrifying experience such as shipwreck, plane crash, etc.

And the next paragraph sums it up:

Pavlov demonstrated that when Transmarginal Inhibition began to take over a dog, a condition similar to hysteria in a human manifested. The applications of these findings to human psychology suggest that for a "conversion" to be effective, it is necessary to work on the subject's emotions until s/he reaches an abnormal condition of fear, anger or exaltation. If such a state is maintained or intensified by any of various means, hysteria is the result. In a state of hysteria, a human being is abnormally suggestible and influences in the environment can cause one set of behavior patterns to be replaced by another without any need for persuasive indoctrination. In states of fear and excitement, normally sensible human beings will accept the most wildly improbably suggestions.

 

[Persej]

It really does look like Mad Max. Now they need a flamethrower!

Hungary: Mad Max-style train barricade signals final closure of borders with Serbia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBeGKYO74DM

 

[thorbiorn]

In connections with what Gawan wrote earlier about the events in Germany, I might add what is happening just North of Germany. In february, there were some shootings in Copenhagen where two civilians, including one Danish Jewish of Danish and Israeli descent was killed by a gun man. Five police officers were wounded. The alleged shooter, Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein of Palestinian-Jordanian descent, was later killed by police. This was the first serious event in many years and led to a political problem about the lack of protection of Jewish property, and the inefficiency of the police. As a result the police have taken more guard duties to protect Jewish property, which of course has led to less attention to more common security issues. Of course it also created a stir in the population for a few days.

In neighbouring Malmô, in Southern Sweden, 50 km from Copenhagen, there have been many cases of arson, shootings and explosions this year:

[...]This week’s unrest continues a series of numerous shootings, explosions and arsons that have occurred since the beginning of the year in Malmo, infamous for high crime rates, multi-ethnic and gang-related violence.[...]

Regarding how the refugee situation can develop, there was this:
There was this article on RT: http://www.rt.com/news/315394-refugees-europe-radical-accomodation/
"Siberia, Auschwitz, Arctic? Radical refugee settlement options voiced as EU expects 1mn more people"

With the continuing influx of asylum seekers into Europe, politicians are scratching their heads on how to accommodate them all. While tents and shelters are being installed across Europe, some not-so-ordinary proposals have emerged.
Norwegian Arctic
[...]
Russia's Siberia, Far East
US lecturer and editor with the Progress Report magazine Fred E. Foldvary has come up with another ‘cold’ option.
[...]
Nazi-era death camp

Poland, which suffered great human losses in wartime Europe, recently launched an investigation into online comments to an article about the renovation and maintenance of barracks of notorious former Nazi concentration camp, Auschwitz-Birkenau. The article was posted on the TVN24 channel's profile in Facebook and some comments below it suggested sending Syrian refugees to the notorious death camp. Some even called for the killing of asylum seekers. Those calls are probed over an “incitement of hatred on the grounds of national, racial and religious differences with regard to the Syrian refugees.” The issue of using the former Nazi death camps for any purpose, however good it is, remains a very sensitive issue in Europe.
Island in the Mediterranean
[...]

There are many different ideas being put out. Which way does Europe choose, if one at this stage still can talk about choosing?

 

[Persej]

Latest news: all the buses with refugees in Serbia are now going to border with Croatia.

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=15&nav_category=12&nav_id=1039798

 

[Nević Nenad]

There was this article from Fort Rus, which gives the history behind the refugee crisis in the Balkans begining around 2002, when the first people began to arrive from the war zone in Afghanistan. The picture is most certainly not pretty http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/09/afghan-kosovo-mafia-migrant-smuggling.html

[...]They are robbing themselves. It’s common knowledge between the migrants that the Syrians are the ones with more money, so very often they are robbed by the Afghans and Pakistanis who are considered the most violent and the most aggressive. [..]

There is much more in that article, about the life of local population, how the police handle the stones being thrown at them, how efforts of volunteers to help with food are turned down etc.

I wouldn't believe that article in total, although there could be some alright facts in there. Migrants are portrayed very black in Greece and Macedonia, which is very curious since that very same migrants and in even bigger numbers (since coming also from Bulgaria and Romania) was quite opposite when traveling through Serbia. There was only two serious incidents and both of them among the migrants (one Afghan was stabbed by another Afghan on the Serbian-Hungary border), no clashes with the police or with the local population so far. They didn't throw food given to them, that I know of. Actually they eat everything you give to them.

I would say that the main problem is in handling and organization. It was not even 24 hours since Hungary closed the border (if something like that is even possible) and Serbia already started to shuttle them to the other borders. Which happen to be the EU borders also.