Mass Migration - a plan, or just a consequence of some other plan

[Oxajil]

If I should critizise the youtube presentation, then I'm not sure one can argue much based on the observation that people use the same life vests or boats. If they had a bit of money, there might as well have been merchants selling stuff at the local store. If one really wishes to know one should ask the people.

He has this as its YT description: "The Syrians now being shipped to Europe are composed of people who are almost entirely against Assad, very rich, and sometimes connected to the military." Families risking their lives are actually undercover rich military agents? Quite far-fetched!

 

[Alfisti]

It's my opinion that we're seeing the latter stages of a long-term strategic initiative to implement the one (new) world order via the Hegelian Dialectic - Ordo ab Chao; economic, political and military hegemony by design.
Like V for Vendetta, the Muslims will be blamed for the inevitable increase in false-flag terrorist attacks across Europe and the response will be brutal, as a full-on, Israeli-trained Fascist state is implemented to wipe out the "threat".
The indigenous European population are already baying to keep them out, lock them up or bomb them all, just at the same time as public opinion and media coverage is swinging those with conscience to let them in on humanitarian grounds.

Each country that's involved has it's own set of benefits. USA get's it's single super-power status, the UK (City of London) gets it's one-world banking system. Israel fulfils it's Eretz (more like ersatz) objective and they all live happily ever after off blood sweat & tears of the rest of us.

I wonder how open the future is currently, as the dominoes continue to fall into place?

 

[thorbiorn]

Well, it looks to me that the C's were right about this topic. When they said it, I thought, "No way". Maybe in America, but not in Europe. But now... I think it is quite possible scenario.

Yes, it's amazing how quickly the C's comments are coming to fruition. The scenario depicted does look possible, even probable at this point given what we've been witnessing for the past few years and how quickly whole countries are turned into chaos states.

Q: (Pierre) Destruction through civil war?

A: Expulsion, camps, similar to the treatment of the Semitic Jews by the Nazis, supported or ignored by the rest of the world.

Q: (Pierre) That's exactly what this guy Eric Zemmour, the guy who was on every French TV show, was announcing on air. He was announcing that Arabic population because they are a source of chaos should be deported. There was this big controversy around what he said. Actually, it was priming the French population to what is going to happen.

We're witnessing an expulsion at this point in time. It's not currently an expulsion in the same way that the Nazi's expelled so many, but these refugees are being pushed out of their own lands as a direct consequence of European involvement with NATO's barbarity. The refugee crisis isn't likely to slow down any time soon, and we'll probably be seeing even more horrific things to come in the near future.

In this article "Kremlin states quota for refugees from Middle East not 'relevant for Russia'"There is this which Laura hinted to in an FB comment:

"This issue is hardly relevant for Russia," presidential press-secretary Dmitry Peskov said. "Of course, we had anticipated certain costs (material and other) these processes will entail. To a large extent these costs will be borne by the countries that at a certain point contributed to bringing about the catastrophic situation in some Maghreb states and in the Middle East," Peskov said. He avoided mentioning the countries he had in mind.

One cost is to be forced to deal with the many people fleeing. Another cost is to deal with any of the engineered problems related to IS:

There is a far greater risk. Among the refugees in Europe — and the European authorities confirm this — regrettably there are people from the so-called Islamic State, which had been involved in hostilities, terrorist acts, killings and so on," Peskov said.

He described that as a tremendous risk and added that "not a single state in Europe, including Russia can afford to turn a blind eye on this risk."

There is also a moral cost, if Europe falls for the IS bait andi is convinced to treat people like the Nazis did in Germany. How to pay that?
Perhaps one could also conceive of a financial cost in terms of being obliged at some stage to help rebuild the destroyed countries. The NATO countries knows more or less how many bombs they have dropped and how many soliders they placed on the ground, hired or supported. Based on such calculations one could find a value for the destructive impact, which can be offset by genuine help etc, but at the end there will still be a substantial bill to pay.

If looks back in history and reads the Gallic Wars, there are cases where tribes who had destroyed were made to help repair the damages, as well as cases where intractable and destructive tribes were sold as slaves. After World War 2 there was forced labour camps as described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II which in fact were quite cruel. Time will show what awaits the NATO countries and a couple of others.

 

[Persej]

That is like saying that Mexico is a "safe" country, (they should) ask people in ghostly towns due to insecurity -related narco and gangs, what they say about the "safe" way of living. _http://www.ipsnews.net/2015/02/drug-violence-leaves-a-string-of-ghost-towns-in-mexico/
I do not know much about those countries, but it seems to me that the authorities that decide, which are and which are not, are pretty much washing their hands.

Yes, they would most probably also declare Mexico as a safe country. Because technically there is no war in Mexico. So people have no reason to run away.

But war is not the only problem that people can have. EU pretty much destroyed the economies of Balkan countries and now they are trying to pretend that that is not a problem. Yes, they are washing their hands.

 

[Persej]

And it seems that anti-Muslim propaganda is already happening. Serbian national channel just published the translation of this article:

_https://translate.google.rs/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://diepresse.com/home/meinung/quergeschrieben/christianortner/4818620/Hilfe-die-Saudis-wollen-muslimischen-Migranten-helfen&prev=search

_http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/711/Merila+vremena/2035186/%22Upomo%C4%87%2C+Saudijci+nameravaju+da+pomognu+muslimanskim+migrantima!%22.html

German version is down now but you can access it through Google translate.

 

[Konstantin]

Yesterday i read some interview with macedonian foreign minister Popovski, where he is saying that Macedonia is planning to build some king of wall, or fence at the border with Greece and probably reinforce it with a military. Hе says that the country needs some kind of physical protection.In some Macedonian news agency portal i rad that that was a preassure from "our western partners" to build a fence. And as usual they need just a little pressure on them and they will do everything that EU and USA want from them, without even asking why.

_http://crna.gora.me/vijesti/svijet/makedonija-planira-izgradnju-zida-na-granici-sa-grckom/

So, we know who are "our western partners".

If i havent read this sott article
_http://www.sott.net/article/301522-Thousands-more-NATO-war-refugees-battle-with-riot-police-and-downpours-in-Macedonia

i would never know what is happening in my country. There is no articles or images or video clips in Macedonian media about this.Its a total media blackout.
If someone is watching our media , he / she will think that Macedonia is a place on earth where everything is perfect. The huge government corruption is more and more exposed every single day, so the main government activity is their preparation for the upcoming elections ( forced by "our western partners" ) in April 2016.

So they still continue with the idea that if you ignore the problem it will disappear. Lets see when they will wake up from their wishful thinking.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Latest SOTT Focus on the situation: http://www.sott.net/article/301559-ISIS-among-the-refugees-Prelude-to-another-European-terror-attack

The 'problem' is real in a sense at least, as is the public support for refugees. But even then, it provides an opportunity to go ahead with the bigger plan: an anti-Muslim holocuast 2.0/Nazi Germany do-over. Events and news are certainly being spun in that direction.

 

[Alana]

This person "The Paulstal Service" believes that the refugee crisis is planned, because refugee camps were built in Jordan and Turkey before the conflict began. He also claims that Turkey has played a helpful role in getting the refugees to move on, as seen from the people using the same life vests, many of the same inflatable boats etc. See the youtube, which also has a clip from an interveiw with Assad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=7&v=H0RHFWq8nRQ

If I should critizise the youtube presentation, then I'm not sure one can argue much based on the observation that people use the same life vests or boats. If they had a bit of money, there might as well have been merchants selling stuff at the local store. If one really wishes to know one should ask the people.

Regarding the question, "Who sells boats to the refugees in Turkey", anyone can, or anyone who can will, it's a market. This is in the news today:

French honorary consul in Turkey suspended over selling rubber dinghies to migrants
http://www.france24.com/en/20150912-french-honorary-consul-turkey-selling-boats-migrants-francoise-olcay

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius on Friday suspended an honorary consul in Turkey for selling rubber dinghies and life jackets to refugees risking their lives crossing the Mediterranean to Europe.

"The minister has just ordered her suspension," foreign ministry spokesman Romain Nadal told AFP following a television report showing the woman in her sailing goods shop in the southwestern Turkish resort town of Bodrum, with a French flag and plaque reading "Consular agency of France" hanging outside.

"Francoise Olcay has been informed of her suspension by France's consul general in Istanbul to which she belongs," Nadal added.

Olcay has held the position since October 2014.

In the footage, which was secretly filmed by France 2 television, she can be seen selling inflatable dinghies and life jackets to migrants and refugees hoping to reach the Greek islands.

Admitting to taking part in the trade, she claims local Turkish authorities are also involved. Asked why she doesn't stop, she says others would only come and take her place.

Bodrum hit the headlines earlier this month after images of a drowned Syrian toddler lying on the beach sparked shock around the world over the dangers faced by refugees desperate to reach Europe.

Three-year-old Aylan Kurdi, his four-year-old brother and his mother drowned along with nine other Syrians when two boats capsized as they were trying to sail to the Greek island of Kos.

Honorary consuls, who perform their duties without being paid, are public servants who enjoy a special status which allows them to also engage in paid professional work. They are not professional diplomats.

 

[Persej]

You have a video here of the new fence being built, 4 meters in height, on the Hungarian border: _http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Svet/589899/STIGLA-VOJSKA-Orbanove-trupe-na-granici-sa-Srbijom

With this one it will not be possible to jump over.

 

[mabar]

Latest SOTT Focus on the situation: http://www.sott.net/article/301559-ISIS-among-the-refugees-Prelude-to-another-European-terror-attack

The 'problem' is real in a sense at least, as is the public support for refugees. But even then, it provides an opportunity to go ahead with the bigger plan: an anti-Muslim holocuast 2.0/Nazi Germany do-over. Events and news are certainly being spun in that direction.

Problem (more problem) is that, next week and/or couple of more days borders will be closing, the beginning process of that could start sooner ... I had read deadlines/crossing bordes of european countries this september, people are rushing because of that -I think-. What will happend when refugees become stranded? --becuse it seems to me to be European involved countries purpose.
Found this:

Transit Zones, Jail & Deportation Await Refugees Crossing into Hungary
BY JENNIFER BAKER ON 09/09/2015 EUROPE, HUNGARY

Urging that the following information may be of vital importance to traveling refugee’s and under-reported in English media, the Refugee Relief Action Forum has translated the following report from Hungarian media about the upcoming changes in Hungary’s refugee policies.

Those who enter illegally, will be captured, jailed and quickly expelled from the country.

Those who submit an application for asylum legally, can not even enter the territory of Hungary and will be returned to Serbia within few hours. The government in the coming weeks is preparing for crowd dispensing scenes, but Orbán said that this is the only way to have relative calm by Christmas.


Viktor Orban and Janos Lazar mentioned several times that from September 15 onwards (i.e. next Tuesday) a new era will begin in the treatment of refugee situation because this is when the new legislative amendments to the refugee law will enter into force.


These are not simple technical changes.

The authorities, the police, the immigration office, the courts get new instruments and obligations, that force them to deal with the refugees crossing the border in a completely different manner.


For example, the outbreaks we saw in Röszke (refugee collection point and camp) on Monday and Tuesday would be met with a completely different response by the police.

Government sources mentioned several tangible, concrete examples, of what will this new “era” entail. Important changes include the creation of so-called transit zone.Imagine the transit zone like an U-shaped area, that is open to the Serbian border but closed to Hungary.

Because of these areas, the border strip will be widened to 60 meters. An important new feature is that this transit area does not qualify as Hungarian (or EU) territory. It will be like the transit zone in the international airport.

The immigrants in the transit zones may submit their applications for asylum, legally the only way to get into the EU.

Péter Szijjártó Foreign Economic Relations and Foreign Minister had earlier said that three of those transit zone will also be constructed on the Serbian border.

By law, the administration of asylum applications will be dealt with within eight days. (According to the European rules in this time a refugee can move freely within the EU).

Here however, the only ones who will be allowed to enter Hungary will be those who receive the refugee status.

This government has a tricky answer.

According to a member of the government, the authority will be asked to not delay the answer to the refugee request for several days, but give a decision within 2-3 hours. These decisions almost invariably will be dismissive, as since summer the government declared Serbia a safe country.

This will leave the refugees arriving to the Hungarian border with no choice than returning to Serbia (from the closed transit zone).

Illegal border crossers will be expelled.


Of course one can also try to enter the country illegally as thousands of people are doing now. However, as of September 15, this will not only be an offense, but also – in the amended Criminal Code – a crime. According to our sources, the police will not take the refugees to a registration point (as they are doing now) but take them in custody and send them to court. ---that is usually what happends atat US border

Then, they will be either expelled or sent to prison.
This is precisely the reason why Viktor Orban urges the building of the fence, as this is the only way to to ensure that the mass of refugees will go into the transit zone, and do not walk through the green border. -- is because they do not consider refugees humans, is like they are thinking in cattle...

So it won’t make a difference if the refugee wants to enter the Hungarian territory legally or illegally, they will almost certainly be deported.

But what if they are trying to break through en masse?

It may well be, of course, the massive rejection of applications will create outrage and groups of refugees will rebel and try to break through the territory of Hungary.

A member of the Government said that the government expects and is prepared to break such attempts.

They have therefore ensured that the army is deployed at the border. (The parliament will vote for the required change in the law on the 21 September – it will take two thirds of the parliament to vote for that). The protection of the border will still be made by the police, but beyond every policemen there should be 2-3 soldiers.

The soldiers and police officers will not have fire command, the police will use already existing instruments to disperse the crowds: water cannons, tear gas, batons.

A government source said they expect more such “dispersing scenes” in the coming weeks.

Where does this strict action lead?

The government estimates that the crackdown will have two consequences:
1. The people smugglers and refugees realize that the can’t get to the EU through Hungary: they need to find another way.

2. Serbia will also change its attitude, and not facilitate the smooth transit of the people through it’s territory. After all, tens of thousands jammed the Hungarian border with Serbia can cause serious problems.

According to the Hungarian government plans the great influx of refugees to the Serbian-Hungarian border will come to an end by Christmas.

However it is naive to think that the refugees and people smugglers will not look for other avenues. The government thinks one possible scenario is towards Croatia (Romania also possible, but less likely, as it represents a huge detour to Germany).

According to the government’s calculation the rivers in the Croatian-Hungarian border, Drava and Mura will deter refugees and people smugglers to take the direction towards Hungary, leaving the way through Slovenia, which is no longer the concern of the Hungarian government. If they refugees wanted to come en masse from Romania or Croatia, the government did not rule out building there a fence, too. (no decision yet about this).

According to a government member, we should prepare for “disturbing pictures” as of next Tuesday on the Serbian border.”

 

[Oxajil]

I've been watching a few interviews with Bashar al-Assad, and I thought he made an interesting remark in this clip. The interviewer asks him:

"According to SÄPO, the Swedish intelligence agency, returning jihadists – there are many here in Syria now – returning jihadists are the biggest domestic threat in Sweden today. Do you agree?"

Assad: "I wouldn’t look at terrorism as domestic or as regional. As I said, it’s global. So, if you want to look at Sweden as part of Europe or part of the Scandinavian group of European countries, you have to take into consideration that the most dangerous leaders of ISIS in our region are Scandinavian."

It's interesting because, all these people buying the propaganda about the danger of ISIS members traveling along with refugees appear to forget that many, or at least several, ISIS members have traveled from Europe to Syria! Surely, if they wanted to invade Europe, they would've just stayed put. It's clear that terror attacks in Europe happen here and there only when it's convenient for the PTB's agenda.

According to a government member, we should prepare for “disturbing pictures” as of next Tuesday on the Serbian border.”

Wow, so Hungary is going to have soldiers along with police officers on the border 'helping' the situation by using water cannons, tear gas, and batons... And they'll start putting refugees in jail? Insane!

 

[Persej]

Wow, so Hungary is going to have soldiers along with police officers on the border 'helping' the situation by using water cannons, tear gas, and batons... And they'll start putting refugees in jail? Insane!

It is insane. That's what many people are saying in their comments. But Hungarians are really serious about it. Who knows what will happen in the next few days.

 

[Anthony]

I've been watching a few interviews with Bashar al-Assad, and I thought he made an interesting remark in this clip. The interviewer asks him:

"According to SÄPO, the Swedish intelligence agency, returning jihadists – there are many here in Syria now – returning jihadists are the biggest domestic threat in Sweden today. Do you agree?"

Assad: "I wouldn’t look at terrorism as domestic or as regional. As I said, it’s global. So, if you want to look at Sweden as part of Europe or part of the Scandinavian group of European countries, you have to take into consideration that the most dangerous leaders of ISIS in our region are Scandinavian."

It's interesting because, all these people buying the propaganda about the danger of ISIS members traveling along with refugees appear to forget that many, or at least several, ISIS members have traveled from Europe to Syria! Surely, if they wanted to invade Europe, they would've just stayed put. It's clear that terror attacks in Europe happen here and there only when it's convenient for the PTB's agenda.

According to a government member, we should prepare for “disturbing pictures” as of next Tuesday on the Serbian border.”

Wow, so Hungary is going to have soldiers along with police officers on the border 'helping' the situation by using water cannons, tear gas, and batons... And they'll start putting refugees in jail? Insane!

There was also a report recently of ISIS members fighting alongside neo-Nazis in Ukraine, yet somehow no one really reported on that.

_http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/04/chechen-jihadists-leave-syria-join-the-fight-in-urkaine.html

 

[Approaching Infinity]

The authorities, the police, the immigration office, the courts get new instruments and obligations, that force them to deal with the refugees crossing the border in a completely different manner.

If the plan is a repeat of Nazi-era Germany, with Muslims taking the place of the groups persecuted by the Nazis, this makes perfect sense. How to justify, in the minds of a modern public, what amount to internment camps? They can't just repeat the Nazi scenario, of the Japanese internment in the U.S., verbatim, OSIT. So, create a very plausible 'problem', with a very plausible 'solution', which people will accept at first. And then it's easy from there on. A ton of refugees that Europe can't/won't handle, and who have nowhere to go? Easy solution...

 

[mabar]

The authorities, the police, the immigration office, the courts get new instruments and obligations, that force them to deal with the refugees crossing the border in a completely different manner.

If the plan is a repeat of Nazi-era Germany, with Muslims taking the place of the groups persecuted by the Nazis, this makes perfect sense. How to justify, in the minds of a modern public, what amount to internment camps? They can't just repeat the Nazi scenario, of the Japanese internment in the U.S., verbatim, OSIT. So, create a very plausible 'problem', with a very plausible 'solution', which people will accept at first. And then it's easy from there on. A ton of refugees that Europe can't/won't handle, and who have nowhere to go? Easy solution...

And the problem is exacerbate ...

‘We’ve reached our limit’: Germany halts trains from Austria, introduces border controls

Austrian train operator OeBB says Germany has stopped all trains coming in from the country, and Germany’s Interior Ministry has abruptly introduced “temporary” border controls with Austria. More than 2,100 extra police have been dispatched to secure the borders.

Austria’s national train company OeBB has also announced on its website that it is suspending services to and from Hungary, which is where most asylum seekers arrive from, on their way to Germany. It was unclear if smaller operators would follow suit.

Germany’s Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has announced that the country is immediately introducing border controls.

"At this moment Germany is temporarily introducing border controls again along [the EU's] internal borders. The focus will be on the border to Austria at first," he said, adding that this was also necessary for security reasons.

"The aim of these measures is to limit the current inflows to Germany and to return to orderly procedures when people enter the country."

According to the Berlin tabloid Bild, and Austria’s leading newspaper Krone, German border police will examine the travel documents of those arriving through the most popular southern route into the country, to make sure they are on the list of countries eligible for asylum.

While the plurality of more than 800,000 expected to apply for asylum in Germany this year are from Syria, a significant minority originate from Balkan states, some of which, such as Albania and Kosovo, have been designated as “safe” – meaning the applications are likely to fail.

The new procedure would be a blow to the Schengen agreement, which enshrines the right of free movement across the borders of its EU signatories.

Munich, the entry point for most asylum seekers, has been overwhelmed, with over 13,000 arriving on Saturday alone, and more than 3,000 on Sunday morning.

Not necessarily directed but, they (PTB) need ... they need it really? as you say the acceptance of "the minds of a modern public" ... I saw a new goverment TV commercial, -18 years old asking sellers to be asked/request their ID, because sellers do not do their job!, that is to ask -18 years old, to ask for their ID if they want to buy alcohol/cigarettes. But this commercial was to me suspicious, like normalizing to be asked for papers/ID's, starting with younger ones...