Meteorite Explodes Over Russia Injures Hundreds

[sitting]

I think this depends entirely on whether you are in a detached observer mode looking for objective facts or in some way alienated and separated from the here and now like in a state of denial, or something like that.

As I reflect more on this feeling, I think it's like Don Juan Matus telling Castaneda there's nothing like having death as an adviser.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

what if 2012DA14 actually hit russia???...

You mean, what if this thing that happened was actually that, only they want to hide it and continue to claim that it flew by and no problemo?

Interesting thought indeed.

That 2012 DA 14 business is getting quite interesting.

Have you guys see that (was posted on the 13th on the NASA website)? NASA to Broadcast Asteroid Flyby of Earth: _http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/13feb_asteroidcoverage

It was said to be broadcast live on the 15th starting at 2:00 PM EST so I missed it (if it ever happened). Has any of you actually saw it with the "near real-time imagery of the asteroid's flyby"?

Their next article was about more global warming/carbon dioxide hysteria, then the next one about the robot Curiosity on Mars and finally, last one about comet ISON.

Hummm...

 

[clerck de bonk]

Just out of curiosity, if it had come in a few hours later, where might it have hit?

Earth moves in orbit 30 km/s, so it never occupies any "place" longer than 17 minutes & 13 seconds.

Wouldn't you have to consider the earth's rotation speed as well (around 465 m/s @ the Equator)?

It wouldn't matter. You consider factor that when object is terrestrial, when it comes from outer space, then it's important as long as object hits the 17 minutes window.

I see.

Thanks.

I don't (see, that is)
One must also take into account the trajectories of both bodies. Suppose one "follows" the other one. 17 minutes only counts in certain sectors (incoming bolides trajectory vs earths).

 

[QuantumLogic]

Who discovered 2012 DA 14? Was it a private person?

According to Wikipedia,

The asteroid was discovered on February 23, 2012, by the Observatorio Astronómico de La Sagra, Granada in Spain (J75)[1] seven days after passing 0.0174 AU (2,600,000 km; 1,620,000 mi) from Earth.

So it was not an independent individual who discovered it. But I found this to be interesting information about the discovery-

from _http://www.planetary.org/press-room/releases/2012/0315_Asteroid_2012_DA14_Discovery_Enabled_by.html

In less than a year, an asteroid that is half the size of a football field will pass within just a few thousand miles of our planet. The discovery of this object, dubbed 2012 DA14, was made possible by a Shoemaker Near Earth Object (NEO) grant provided by the Planetary Society.

“This asteroid is a wakeup call for the importance of defending the Earth from future asteroid impacts,” says Bill Nye, Chief Executive Officer of The Planetary Society.

It seems interesting that a groomed scientist who is very well displayed to the public through the mainstream media is the CEO of the organization who gave the grant that enabled the discovery. Inside information, perhaps?

 

[weasel3d]

__http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/feb/16/russian-meteorite-sightings-cuba-california

__http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9875149/Fireballs-reported-in-skies-above-Cuba-and-California.html


There are reports of more 'fireballs' over California today. One report mentioning.accompaning booms.

One of the items that I read was some 'science guy' promising his friend, an eye witness, that he had only seen the ISS, in spite of his friend's description of a fireball and trail. The marvels of scientism.

 

[QuantumLogic]

what if 2012DA14 actually hit russia???...

You mean, what if this thing that happened was actually that, only they want to hide it and continue to claim that it flew by and no problemo?

Interesting thought indeed.

That 2012 DA 14 business is getting quite interesting.

Have you guys see that (was posted on the 13th on the NASA website)? NASA to Broadcast Asteroid Flyby of Earth: _http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/13feb_asteroidcoverage

It was said to be broadcast live on the 15th starting at 2:00 PM EST so I missed it (if it ever happened). Has any of you actually saw it with the "near real-time imagery of the asteroid's flyby"?

Their next article was about more global warming/carbon dioxide hysteria, then the next one about the robot Curiosity on Mars and finally, last one about comet ISON.

Hummm...

My wife and I watched it, but after about 5 minutes the first thing she said to me was "It's a recorded loop playing over and over again." I paid a little more attention and she was correct. You could clearly see where the frames began to repeat by looking at the ISO noise pattern in the pixels repeating approximately every two minutes or so. I only wish there would have been a way to record what we saw for analysis by all of you here.

 

[Kenny McCormick]

I don't (see, that is)
One must also take into account the trajectories of both bodies. Suppose one "follows" the other one. 17 minutes only counts in certain sectors (incoming bolides trajectory vs earths).

Yeah, you're right in some range. However, in that case, the window wasn't much wider than those 17 minutes:

_http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/html/Years/2013/February/images/Meteor5.png

 

[mkrnhr]

FWIW, 2012 DA4 was followed by amateurs and some photographs have been published in the internet, or so it seems. All it requires is a small telescope and a long exposure camera, or even a good photography camera on a tripod. Maybe we are facing a dense part of a meteroid stream.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I don't (see, that is)
One must also take into account the trajectories of both bodies. Suppose one "follows" the other one. 17 minutes only counts in certain sectors (incoming bolides trajectory vs earths).

Lack of thinking on my behalf here I concur. Thanks for pointing this. Kind of a little "nudge" for me. ;)

Anyhow, I've tried to find this "live footage" that the NASA was supposed to broadcast and so far, I only found what is supposedly a footage of the 2012 DA 14 meteor as recorded by the Gingin observatory in Australia. It was posted a few hours ago. I really don't know what to think about it.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDxpV1AClT4

 

[Novus ordo seclorum]

In Russia, are starting to appear conspiracy theories that say that these were not meteorites, but new USA military secret weapon, but it didn' t work well. Theories say that USA wanted to start war with Russia.

Ok, none of this things are weird except this one.
It was on our national television! It said about these conspiracy theories and some guy in Russia said that this is bullshit. And thats it! We supposedly must believe him.

In whole my life, I have never seen on mainstream news someone talk about conspiracy theories. What is going on???

 

[Cosmos]

what if 2012DA14 actually hit russia???...

You mean, what if this thing that happened was actually that, only they want to hide it and continue to claim that it flew by and no problemo?

Interesting thought indeed.

That 2012 DA 14 business is getting quite interesting.

Have you guys see that (was posted on the 13th on the NASA website)? NASA to Broadcast Asteroid Flyby of Earth: _http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/13feb_asteroidcoverage

It was said to be broadcast live on the 15th starting at 2:00 PM EST so I missed it (if it ever happened). Has any of you actually saw it with the "near real-time imagery of the asteroid's flyby"?

Their next article was about more global warming/carbon dioxide hysteria, then the next one about the robot Curiosity on Mars and finally, last one about comet ISON.

Hummm...

My wife and I watched it, but after about 5 minutes the first thing she said to me was "It's a recorded loop playing over and over again." I paid a little more attention and she was correct. You could clearly see where the frames began to repeat by looking at the ISO noise pattern in the pixels repeating approximately every two minutes or so. I only wish there would have been a way to record what we saw for analysis by all of you here.

I saw the live broadcast too and I strongly think that they just moved the camera "every 2 minutes" to be able to hold it in the camera view, thus the "loop" effect. I also looked at the backround stars and it seemed to fit that they changed with every move of the camera.
So nothing strange there IMO. But of course it is enterly possible that they can make such stuff up with their technological capabilities.

I do not necessarily think that they faked anything in this specific comet case, but I do think the thought of "Crystal clear" is a very interesting one to keep in mind!

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I saw the live broadcast too and I strongly think that they just moved the camera "every 2 minutes" to be able to hold it in the camera view, thus the "loop" effect. I also looked at the backround stars and it seemed to fit that they changed with every move of the camera.
So nothing strange there IMO. But of course it is enterly possible that they can make such stuff up with their technological capabilities.

I do not necessarily think that they faked anything in this specific comet case, but I do think the thought of "Crystal clear" is a very interesting one to keep in mind!

Seems plausible the way you put it.

And I agree with the bold part.

 

[QuantumLogic]

I saw the live broadcast too and I strongly think that they just moved the camera "every 2 minutes" to be able to hold it in the camera view, thus the "loop" effect. I also looked at the backround stars and it seemed to fit that they changed with every move of the camera.
So nothing strange there IMO. But of course it is enterly possible that they can make such stuff up with their technological capabilities.

I do not necessarily think that they faked anything in this specific comet case, but I do think the thought of "Crystal clear" is a very interesting one to keep in mind!

I was hoping someone else here watched it. I just found it odd that the pixel noise seemed the same every couple of minutes, but you are correct. They didn't necessarily have to make something up- especially considering the "live" feed could have been another completely unrelated object altogether. In some ways they would have to be more careful now with deliberate fabrication since there are so many people watching and reporting their finds these days.

The more people are aware of everything happening around them and are willing to watch closely and report it, the better our chances for finding out the truth, although we still do not have the advantage of some of the technology they have at their disposal. Maybe it's a good idea to start carrying my DSLR everywhere I go. You never know what you might see at any given moment, especially in light of recent events.

 

[Palinurus]

I think this depends entirely on whether you are in a detached observer mode looking for objective facts or in some way alienated and separated from the here and now like in a state of denial, or something like that.

As I reflect more on this feeling, I think it's like Don Juan Matus telling Castaneda there's nothing like having death as an adviser.

Yes, it certainly will sharpen our senses and rearrange our priorities in life when deeply realizing our mortality hazards by unforeseen sudden happenings.

If I recall correctly, Laura used to have a signature line pointing to just that: "When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."

It stems from Samuel Johnson, according to this page: _en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dodd_(clergyman)

 

[Explorer]

In Russia, are starting to appear conspiracy theories that say that these were not meteorites, but new USA military secret weapon, but it didn' t work well. Theories say that USA wanted to start war with Russia.

Ok, none of this things are weird except this one.
It was on our national television! It said about these conspiracy theories and some guy in Russia said that this is bullshit. And thats it! We supposedly must believe him.

In whole my life, I have never seen on mainstream news someone talk about conspiracy theories. What is going on???

Well, it sounds like BS to me.