Meteorite Explodes Over Russia Injures Hundreds

[aragorn]

I think this depends entirely on whether you are in a detached observer mode looking for objective facts or in some way alienated and separated from the here and now like in a state of denial, or something like that.

I fully agree these type of occurrences tend to trivialize our day to day worries into complete insignificance so to speak -- even if only for a short while perhaps. ;)

I haven't been able to follow these latest meteorite incidents as closely as I would have wanted to, because of a high fever (40C yesterday). But related to the above, I noticed that glancing through today's newspaper made the usual news appear even more "theatrical" than before. And as Laura has pointed out, this surely is one of the reasons why the ruling elite are afraid of people becoming aware of threats from the sky: the fear of an "external threat" will make them less interested in the circus and bread, numbing their minds watching Big Brother or something.

And having almost finished HoM, it becomes even clearer how individuals (Socrates, the Stoics) talking and warning about these things will become enemies of the state.

 

[genero81]

I have felt for a long time that things would start to get ' in your face ' interesting after the Dec 21 2012 date. Seems we have sarted off with a bang. (Pun intended) And the timing as far as Laura's new books go, doesn't surprise me in the least. Somewhat scary, but exciting. We still have all the "time" we need. OSIT

 

[Kenny McCormick]

Just out of curiosity, if it had come in a few hours later, where might it have hit?

Earth moves in orbit 30 km/s, so it never occupies any "place" longer than 17 minutes & 13 seconds.

Wouldn't you have to consider the earth's rotation speed as well (around 465 m/s @ the Equator)?

It wouldn't matter. You consider factor that when object is terrestial, when it comes from outer space, then it's important as long as object hits the 17 minutes window.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Just out of curiosity, if it had come in a few hours later, where might it have hit?

Earth moves in orbit 30 km/s, so it never occupies any "place" longer than 17 minutes & 13 seconds.

Wouldn't you have to consider the earth's rotation speed as well (around 465 m/s @ the Equator)?

It wouldn't matter. You consider factor that when object is terrestial, when it comes from outer space, then it's important as long as object hits the 17 minutes window.

I see.

Thanks.

 

[crystal]

what if 2012DA14 actually hit russia???...

 

[Aeneas]

Hey, where do you live in Germany?

Why I am asking is because today I was just reading the thread and when I stumbled upon your post I remembered the exact same thing happening to me yesterday evening. I was on the balcony having a smoke when I heard these small explosions. I was deeply engrossed in some thought processes so I did not give it any big significans. Although I wondered who the hell is blowing up fireworks, maybe some kids with leftovers from new years eve (???). What I am wondering is that either it really was some fireworks and you live just around the corner, or it was something else maybe related to the meteorite phenomena!

By the way I live in Filderstadt, near Stuttgart!

p.s.: I know "please introduce yourself in the newbie section"...., I will... soon

Just now here where I live in germany I heard several small firework like explosions. I just looked outside and one of those small explosions lid up the sky behind the clouds quite a bit, I think it was bluish.

It wasn't a big noise, just a handful firework like explosions.
It could have been fireworks, but the timing surely makes me wonder.

Anyone else hearing seeing something?

Today, or yesterday? If yesterday it could have been this:

http://www.sott.net/article/258395-Enormous-fireball-seen-from-Belgium-The-Netherlands-and-Germany-13-February-2013

Today. Just a few minutes ago before I wrote that post in Reply 69

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I'm also living near Stuttgart in the area near to Reutlingen. The one explosion I mentioned wich lighted up the clouds seems to have happened behind those clouds because the clouds seem to light up as though the explosion has happened behind it. Which would suggest that it happened quite high up in the sky.

But the one explosion I saw, seems to have happened right behind a fairly high mountain (the mountain is about 700m above sea level) of that region (a bit right of it from my viewpoint), so I was thinking that maybe somebody up in that mountain has lounched a firework and that this could explain the seemingly high altitude of it.

Fireworks usually don't go that high, or so I think. I'm used to look at fireworks from that mountain (and other high mountains in that region) on New Year's Eve and I don't think that I ever saw a firework from those mountains that entered behind the clouds and exploded there. Those fireworks always seem to be pretty limited in altitude ascend.

Also, while driving back from work early last week (It must have been monday or tuesday), it was snowing like crazy. Arround 22:30 local time I saw what seemed to be a fairly bright white lighting wich lighted up the clouds from behind. I wasn't sure if it was a lighting strike behind the clouds or a comet. It happened while I was shortly before entering under a bridge, so I thought that I maybe was mistaken and that a car wich could have drove on that bridge maybe was the cause of that light and I interpreted it wrongly.

Regarding the sounds of firecrackers , I heard it too and live in Switzerland. It did indeed sound like fireworks and since it was a Friday and I live in a big city and it being the end of the Chinese New Year celebrations, then I didn't think more about it. I didn't lift the shutters to see, so I didn't see anything. Though I think that what I heard was fireworks, doesn't mean that it was the same thing that you heard and saw.

The Lantern festival is celebrated on the 15th of the month according to wikipedia and in another link from the Telegraph it says: "Lantern Festival fireworks mark the end of the Chinese Lunar New Year holiday" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8330920/Lantern-Festival-fireworks-mark-the-end-of-the-Chinese-Lunar-New-Year-holiday.html
The article from the Telegraph is not dated, so it might not have been from this year. I will have to speak to some Chinese people here to find out.
I have not found a link saying that it was celebrated where I live, but lean towards the idea that it was what happened at my place.

Synchronicity at this point is not a mere coincidence, the Universe is sending in a message. Clearly things are happening now, not in some vague future.
It's a warning for all, and the fact it came right after the publication of The Horns of Moses is a clear sign that the Universe wants us to pay more attention.

Like Mkrhr says the universe is speaking to us and it is time to pay even more atttention. In that regard it is interesting that the fireball over Russia happened on the day when the Chinese New Year celebrations finishes, given that we moved from the year of the dragon into the year of the snake. Both the dragon and the snake are symbols of cometary threats as Laura and others have shown. This year the universe actively participated.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

I have felt for a long time that things would start to get ' in your face ' interesting after the Dec 21 2012 date. Seems we have sarted off with a bang. (Pun intended) And the timing as far as Laura's new books go, doesn't surprise me in the least. Somewhat scary, but exciting. We still have all the "time" we need. OSIT

How do you evaluate that? How much time is "all the time we need"?

Seriously, I think that yesterday's event is a great example of how these things are unpredictable. We know we are getting into it, that it is getting worst, but we can't precisely determine where and when it's going to hit us. So for all I know, a meteor could hit my neighborhood any moment - just like anywhere else in the world as a matter of fact.

FWIW

Peace

 

[Aeneas]

I noticed that the main Danish newspaper, Jyllandsposten, has nothing today on their main page about yesterdays event and the Danish meteological institute has updated their page, but referring to the data from Jyllandsposten from the yesterday, thus in Denmark it remains a stone of about 10 tons and not what NASA came out with, 7000 tons.

Information control if ever there was.

 

[Explorer]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/435811/20130215/russia-meteor-putin.htm

"Russia Calls for International Anti-Asteroid System after Meteor Terror" - Ibtimes

Russia's deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin has called for leading powers to work together to develop a system to intercept objects falling from space, after a meteor that exploded over Russia's Ural mountains injured about 1,000 on the ground below.

"Neither we nor the Americans have such technologies," Rogozin told Interfax news agency.

His remarks echoed concerns raised by his boss Dmitry Medvedev, who said the meteor that exploded in the skies over sparesly populated parts of Russia showed how "the whole planet is vulnerable".

The interior ministry raised its initial injury count from 250 to 985 people, including 204 children. They were hurt by falling space debris and sonic blasts shattering windows and damaging buildings in the Chelyabinsk region 1,500km east of Moscow.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin said he thanked god no large fragments of the meteor fell in populated areas.

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The Russian Academy of Sciences estimated that the space rock weighed about 10 tonnes and entered Earth's atmosphere at a hypersonic speed of at least 54,000km/h (33,000mph) before exploding 30-50km (18-32 miles) above ground.

"There was panic. People had no idea what was happening," said Sergey Hametov, a resident of Chelyabinsk, home to one million people.

"We saw a big burst of light, then went outside to see what it was and we heard a really loud, thundering sound."

Most of the injuries were caused by flying glass. Chelyabinsk city officials estimated that the shockwave smashed 100,000 square meres of glass.

Forty-four people were taken to hospital and two were in intensive care, RIA Novosti reported.

"I went to see what that flash in the sky was about," resident Marat Lobkovsky said. "And then the window glass shattered, bouncing back on me. My face was cut open, but not deep."

Nasa denied that the meteor was related to another asteroid named 2012 DA14 that is to pass close to the Earth - without hitting it.

"The trajectory of the Russian meteorite was significantly different to the trajectory of the asteroid 2012 DA14, making it a completely unrelated object," Nasa said on its website.

 

[Laura]

what if 2012DA14 actually hit russia???...

You mean, what if this thing that happened was actually that, only they want to hide it and continue to claim that it flew by and no problemo?

Interesting thought indeed.

 

[genero81]

I have felt for a long time that things would start to get ' in your face ' interesting after the Dec 21 2012 date. Seems we have sarted off with a bang. (Pun intended) And the timing as far as Laura's new books go, doesn't surprise me in the least. Somewhat scary, but exciting. We still have all the "time" we need. OSIT

How do you evaluate that? How much time is "all the time we need"?

Seriously, I think that yesterday's event is a great example of how these things are unpredictable. We know we are getting into it, that it is getting worst, but we can't precisely determine where and when it's going to hit us. So for all I know, a meteor could hit my neighborhood any moment - just like anywhere else in the world as a matter of fact.

FWIW

Peace

That's true. All we can do is aquire and utilize knowledge. As we do so, perhaps we begin to get free from the law of accident. My feeling is that I have the "time" I need. As I have grown, I experience an interaction with life that is dynamic, interactive. I am always thinking and trying to understand. I have aquired enough knowledge to know where to look for more. Many, many times do I receive answers to things I am contemplating in ways that seem beyond coincidence. I trust the universe. I don't feel alot of fear anymore. My life is my religion. There are ups and downs. Sometimes joy, sometimes despair. But I don't rush. I try to take it all in. I guess I don't see time as an issue.


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[Graalsword]

I have felt for a long time that things would start to get ' in your face ' interesting after the Dec 21 2012 date. Seems we have sarted off with a bang. (Pun intended) And the timing as far as Laura's new books go, doesn't surprise me in the least. Somewhat scary, but exciting. We still have all the "time" we need. OSIT

How do you evaluate that? How much time is "all the time we need"?

Seriously, I think that yesterday's event is a great example of how these things are unpredictable. We know we are getting into it, that it is getting worst, but we can't precisely determine where and when it's going to hit us. So for all I know, a meteor could hit my neighborhood any moment - just like anywhere else in the world as a matter of fact.

FWIW

Peace

I also agree. One must be vigilant and prepared for anything. Any of us could have been an inhabitant of that Russian town where the fireball hit.

 

[QuantumLogic]

what if 2012DA14 actually hit russia???...

You mean, what if this thing that happened was actually that, only they want to hide it and continue to claim that it flew by and no problemo?

Interesting thought indeed.

It is very interesting, and the more I think about it, it seems plausible. I remembered reading this some time ago-

_http://www.space.com/6829-military-hush-incoming-space-rocks-classified.html

For 15 years, scientists have benefited from data gleaned by U.S. classified satellites of natural fireball events in Earth's atmosphere – but no longer.

A recent U.S. military policy decision now explicitly states that observations by hush-hush government spacecraft of incoming bolides and fireballs are classified secret and are not to be released, SPACE.com has learned.

The satellites' main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they crash through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists.

The upshot: Space rocks that explode in the atmosphere are now classified.

It really didn't make any sense why they would do that back when I first read it, but that was 2 1/2 years before I found SOTT, the forum here, and Laura's research. Now it all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle. Since none of us can see any of the raw, unfiltered data any longer, we are left to rely on reports from the governments and their puppet institutions.

If they really did know it was going to hit us, how difficult would it really be then to fabricate data to be released for public dissemination? Since we have no access to instrumentation or raw data to verify their claims of trajectory or orbital parameters, it's not like we can state with hard facts that they are lying to us. Remember the original preview for the 2012 movie? "How would the governments of our planet prepare 6 billion people for the end of the world? They wouldn't."

Well, it doesn't have to be the end of the world, but they're still not going to tell us if something was/is going to hit us. Really makes me wonder about Comet Pan-STARRS, due in March(interesting timing with the information in this thread with linked article-http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30528.0.html) and Comet ISON in November. ISON isn't going to be very close according to data made public- approximately .42 AU, or a little less than half the distance from Earth to the sun. But is that the real number?

Time will tell, but it sure would be nice if there was a non-traditional way to detect these things ourselves without relying on filtered data from questionable organizations.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

That's true. All we can do is aquire and utilize knowledge. As we do so, perhaps we begin to get free from the law of accident. My feeling is that I have the "time" I need. As I have grown, I experience an interaction with life that is dynamic, interactive. I am always thinking and trying to understand. I have aquired enough knowledge to know where to look for more. Many, many times do I receive answers to things I am contemplating in ways that seem beyond coincidence. I trust the universe. I don't feel alot of fear anymore. My life is my religion. There are ups and downs. Sometimes joy, sometimes despair. But I don't rush. I try to take it all in. I guess I don't see time as an issue.

Well said. I think I understand what you meant by this now.

In a way, I think we are right where we need to be at the "time" we need to be. This is how it is and everything begins with choise. This is the Law of Free Will.

So why indeed bother with "time"? The important I think is who we are, what we see and what we do. This is what is creating our future as far as I understand. ;)

Cheers buddy!

 

[Cosmos]

what if 2012DA14 actually hit russia???...

You mean, what if this thing that happened was actually that, only they want to hide it and continue to claim that it flew by and no problemo?

Interesting thought indeed.

I agree, a very interesting thought.
A thought I haven't thought of before!

What do we actually know about 2012 DA 14? Where there any independent observations of that object and its trajectory other than those official ones from NASA and the like?

I kept reading that it was only visible for normal people, with a telescope, the days before it was supposed to "miss earth".

Are there hobby astronomers out there that traced it and its trajectory? Do we have that?
Are there normal people that observered with their own eyes that object and its trajectory in the time period Nasa and the like claimed it has?
And if so, do they noticed that something doesn't fit with the trajectory claimed by NASA and co?

Who discovered 2012 DA 14? Was it a private person?

Suppose someone independendly discoveres an coment and it leakes out to the public in some way. Suppose further that NASA and consorts find out afterwards that it actually is now on a colliding course after it is already publically known.
Could there be a better way to hide this impact by simply lying about its trajectory?

Or the big guys themselfs discover it and leak it out intentionally, because they know it will hit from the beginning and they also think they know that at a certain time in the future hobby astronomers might be able to see it and calculate its real trajectory themselfs and thus trying to cover it up beforehand by intentionally lying about its trajectory in a big and public way, so that everyone believes them because they conditioned the masses beforehand about it and every news from little hobby astronomers that might see that it will impact, is buried under it and dismissed because the big guys said it was this and that way?

Isn't it the case, that only the big guys with the big teleskopes can see and calculate some chunks out there that are far away at first?
I would assume that any given object that was discovered a fairly amount of time before hand, can be seen and calculated by normal hobby astronomers only at a later stage?

I think that this is a very interesting thought we should consider in the near future, when we hear about discovered comets and their supposed safe trajectory...