Meteorite Explodes Over Russia Injures Hundreds

[Laura]

And here's the relevant passage from Laura's session dated June 9, 2009:

Q: (L) Questions? (J) What caused the destruction of the Air France flight?
A: Cometary explosion of the Tunguska variety though higher and a bit smaller.

Plus a follow up remark to punctuate what lies ahead:

A: A ticket to 5D naturally! They chose the exit at some level. The days will come when the dead seem blessed.

Well, I don't take the Cs statements as the last word. However, there was enough messing around, and certainly the capacity to produce a fraudulent report, to have some doubts about the official story. I believe that we have some experts on the forum here who looked at the data and didn't think much of it.

What is interesting about the Russian event was that it was so big and obvious and in full daylight, so there was no possibility of covering it up or attributing it to something else as has been possible with a number of previous suspected meteor events. There are about a dozen or so smaller events preceding this one which we think were "covered up" (very likely) so if we are right, it means that such events are not only happening more frequently, but are getting bigger. That means, of course, it probably won't be long before an even bigger event and it's going to be interesting to see where and how big.

 

[Laura]

Notice the idiot Guy Martineau's post on my FB thread here: https://www.facebook.com/laura.knightjadczyk/posts/432296896845503?comment_id=3034487

It really is true that human intelligence is declining: http://www.sott.net/article/258534-Leading-geneticist-Human-intelligence-is-slowly-declining

 

[Kaigen]

here the trajectory of the Russian Meteorite and the Fly By meteor.

http://youtu.be/eo0zFQkYsf4

 

[Nancy2feathers]

I thought it interesting listening to SOTT Talk Radio yesterday, that Laura mentioned the dust in the atmosphere from a meteorite can sometimes take 2 years to trickle down to Earth. If fragments of meteorites are found that have made it to Earth, can they be tested for pathogens or viruses before the dusts settles? Just a thought.

Loved the show by the way!

 

[LQB]

Deployment of a satellite system to provide early warning and extremely accurate track/prediction of this class of objects with today's (and yesterday's for that matter) technology is straightforward and not very costly (relative to other sat systems). The easiest way (from a US standpoint) is to append Space Command's mission with these requirements so that the $$ can be allocated for acquisition.

The technology associated with the optics, focal plane array, tasking, etc has been demonstrated in space and is fully space-qualified. An early prototype of the type of spacecraft I'm referring to was flown in 1996 and developed by Lincoln Labs (described here: _http://www.ll.mit.edu/publications/journal/pdf/vol11_no2/11_2space.pdf). It was still performing this track mission when I retired in 2008.

These kinds of systems (and their ground-based counterparts) are designed to track objects in earth orbit as part of the US Space Surveillance Network (SSN). But they can just as easily be tasked to detect Tunguska-class objects a very long ways away, giving plenty of warning/time to take cover (short of a massive ground burst).

The way you get the accuracy/prediction power is to use two or more sats to synchronously detect and downlink detections from the focal plane array. Ground or on-board processing produces the track of the object. By taking multiple (stereo) measurements as the sats rotate, your track becomes extremely accurate. You can cover a huge amount of volumetric search space in this way in a short period of time. For objects that are very far from earth, you will need to combine tracks over several days or weeks - but that is no problem.

The point is that all of this can easily be done.

In the years before I retired, I participated in several satellite architecture studies to design optimum multi-orbit systems for this kind of detection/tracking. On several occasions I made the government aware that such systems could detect/track incoming asteroids/debris essentially for "free" (with minor changes in tasking/processing) - this due to Laura's earlier work that I was familiar with. This generally fell on deaf ears since there was no vetted "requirement" to do so. General Worden (as Laura has mentioned) was the only govie to show any interest.

Anyway, with this Russian airburst, I suspect that there may be some quick work being done as Space Command to define a new set of "requirements" and get a new sat program off the ground.

From a sott article today: http://www.sott.net/article/258549-Scientists-unveil-new-detectors-in-race-to-save-Earth-from-next-asteroid

However the fleet could also be used to monitor small, difficult-to-detect objects that threaten to strike Earth. Deep Space Industries - which is based in McLean, Virginia - proposes building 10 spacecraft at a cost of $100m (£65m) over the next four years, though it has not indicated who will fund missions.

The University of Hawaii has proposed a cheaper, simpler system known as Atlas - Advanced Terrestrial-Impact Last Alert System - to be constructed with the help of a $5m grant from Nasa. It will consist of a series of eight telescopes, each fitted with powerful cameras, to be built on Hawaiian islands whose clear air makes accurate observations particularly easy.

Astronomer Professor John Tonry, of Hawaii University, said Atlas - which is scheduled to begin operations in 2015 - would have an extremely high sensitivity, which he compared to the detection of a match flame in New York when viewed from San Francisco.

He said Atlas would give a one-week warning for a small asteroid - which he called "a city killer" - and three weeks for a larger "county killer". Tonry added: "That is enough time to evacuate the area, take measures to protect buildings and other infrastructure, and be alert to a tsunami danger generated by ocean impacts."

If you go through the modeling and simulation of a multi-sensor system, you find that terrestrial-based is a very poor performer when compared to even a 2-sat architecture. Poor in the senses of search rates, track accuracy, sensitivity, and ultimate cost.

I don't know who "Deep Space Industries" is - they were not a player as late as 2008. But a cheap multi-sat system of telescopes is the right answer. There might be a bit of a race to see who can get something up there first.

 

[Soluna]

I notieced on SOTT that NASA now has revised their initial estimates upwards.

Now they are saying the meteor was 17 meters in diameter, a weight of 10000 tons and a blast energy equivalent to 500 kilotons http://www.sott.net/article/258507-Russian-meteor-blast-bigger-and-more-powerful-than-thought-NASA-says

In other words, their initial effort to downplay it as a 'basketball-sized rock' failed because of the sheer scale of damage and injuries.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was more like 30 meters diameter.

I'm not sure - but I think it would be in their interest to 'up play' the size of a meteorite that had this effect - thereby making people less afraid of meteorites smaller than this size.
If in actuality something the size of a soccer ball could produce that size of an explosion - and there are many larger objects out there - that would cause much more concern.

 

[Novus ordo seclorum]

They said they found the pieces of meteorite. Largest is 1 cm in diameter. 1 gram of meteorite is currently worth 2200$ (!!!) so it is a huge run in Russia to find other pieces.

 

[mkrnhr]

"We would expect an event of this magnitude to occur once every 100 years on average,"

Here comes the damage control. There is of course no way to expect such a thing (who said meteors do occur like a clock?). All you need to do is to cover-up all Important entries (which they do), highlight the two that they cannot cover-up (Tunguska and Chelyabinsk), and voilà, you have your 100 years. The subliminal message is that if it happenned now, we are safe for at least a hundred years. People can go back to sleep.

 

[Bim]

"We would expect an event of this magnitude to occur once every 100 years on average,"

Here comes the damage control. There is of course no way to expect such a thing (who said meteors do occur like a clock?). All you need to do is to cover-up all Important entries (which they do), highlight the two that they cannot cover-up (Tunguska and Chelyabinsk), and voilà, you have your 100 years. The subliminal message is that if it happenned now, we are safe for at least a hundred years. People can go back to sleep.

That's what never fails to both amuse me and disturb me: how many are just willing to go back to sleep. But i guess living with the illusion that humans are still top dog and have everything under control makes them feel safer than staying awake and joining the party.

 

[Niall]

Yup, it's damage-control time!

The asteroid-busting lasers powered by the SUN that could soon protect Earth

Sun-powered lasers could protect Earth from any more asteroids judged to be flying too close, a new study claims.

U.S. researchers have outlined a plan for solar powered space defences which could vaporise an asteroid as big as the one which flew past Earth on Friday night in 60 minutes.

Asteroids and how to deflect them

Alan Fitzsimmons, University of Belfast, is part of a European Union project called NEOShield. It studies the ways in which dangerous asteroids could be deflected.

"There are three ways to deflect a dangerous asteroid: the gently pull, the swift kick and nuking it," says Fitzsimmons. Which method is best depends on the asteroid's size, composition, orbit, and crucially, how much warning we get. Typically, warning times of a decade or so would be required.

With plenty of warning, the gentle pull may be all that is needed. In this scenario, you send the heaviest spacecraft you can launch to "hover" close to the dangerous asteroid. The tiny gravitational pull that the spacecraft produces on the asteroid then adds up over many years to shift it off collision course. It's a concept known as the gravity tractor.

The swift kick actually involves a collision. You hit the asteroid with a heavy spacecraft that instantaneously changes its orbit. The more warning you have, the smaller the kick you need to give it. Observations can quickly show whether the method has worked or whether another kick is needed.

Finally, if things are desperate, nuke it. This can provide the biggest kick of all. But don't shatter the asteroid. The last thing you want to do is break it up. That turns a cannonball into buck shot without significantly changing its orbit.

UT professor says asteroid tracking system works, don't lose sleep over meteor

University of Texas astronomy professor Dr. Judit Gyorgyey Ries says Friday's flyby, as well as the meteor over Russia, show the importance of tracking near-earth objects.

“What I am excited about is that we knew it ahead of time. We knew it a year ahead of time that it’s going to happen, which shows that the search programs are really doing their job, and not just the search programs, but astronomers, who are keeping track of these little buddies,” she said. "In spite of this being a close encounter and that thing reaching Russia, don't lose sleep over it."

How can the Texas professor say that after what just happened?? Sure they tracked one of them from way out... but they were totally blindsided by the other one!!

 

[mada85]

Someone has used posted videos and Google Earth to estimate the Russian meteor's trajectory. It looks like they've done rather well. http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/

On the site linked above there is the following post:

Here’s another rough estimate, around 1.0 to 1.2 psi overpressure was experienced in the city that suffered damage, I’m thinking on the high side, as window frames were blown in and not only did a factory roof collapse, but part of the wall near the roof was pushed in.
That’s a LOT of energy being put out at 30-50km up!

40 kilometres = 24 miles. Travelling in a car at 50mph it would take 30 minutes to travel 24 miles.

This . . .

That’s a LOT of energy being put out at 30-50km up!

. . . is NOT an understatement!

And if these things are getting bigger the complete destruction of a large city like London or Manchester is easily possible.

 

[LQB]

UT professor says asteroid tracking system works, don't lose sleep over meteor

University of Texas astronomy professor Dr. Judit Gyorgyey Ries says Friday's flyby, as well as the meteor over Russia, show the importance of tracking near-earth objects.

“What I am excited about is that we knew it ahead of time. We knew it a year ahead of time that it’s going to happen, which shows that the search programs are really doing their job, and not just the search programs, but astronomers, who are keeping track of these little buddies,” she said. "In spite of this being a close encounter and that thing reaching Russia, don't lose sleep over it."

How can the Texas professor say that after what just happened?? Sure they tracked one of them from way out... but they were totally blindsided by the other one!!

He obviously has no idea what we can and cannot do.

 

[Laura]

That’s a LOT of energy being put out at 30-50km up!

. . . is NOT an understatement!

And if these things are getting bigger the complete destruction of a large city like London or Manchester is easily possible.

From: http://www.sott.net/article/151954-Meteorites-Asteroids-and-Comets-Damages-Disasters-Injuries-Deaths-and-Very-Close-Calls

(the list desperately needs to be updated; any volunteers?)

The most intensively studied impact phenomenon, impact cratering, is of limited importance, due to the rarity and large mean time between events for crater-forming impacts. Almost all events causing property damage and lethality are due to bodies less than 100 meters in diameter, almost all of which, except for the very largest and strongest, are fated to explode in the atmosphere. ... [W]e are forced to conclude that the complex behavior of smaller bodies is closely relevant to the threat actually experienced by contemporary civilization.

Based on the data he collected, Lewis noted that:

{O]n the century time scale, firestorm ignition and direct blast damage by rare, strong, deeply penetrating bodies are the most common threats to human life, with average fatality rates of about 250 people per year. ... On a 1000-year scale, the most severe single event, which is usually a 10 to 100 megaton Tunguska-type airburst, accounts for most of the total fatalities. On longer time scales, regional impact-triggered tsunamis become the most dangerous events. ...The exact impactor threshold size for global effects remains poorly determined. [...]

Perhaps most interesting is the implication that the large majority of lethal events (not of the number of fatalities) are caused by bodies that are so small, so faint, and so numerous that the cost of the effort required to find, track, predict, and intercept them exceeds the cost of the damage incurred by ignoring them. [Lewis, 1999]

Notice that he put the Tunguska event on a 1000 year scale and we've now had more than one Tunguska like event in the past 100 years including:

1930 - 13 Aug. - Brazil - The "Rio Curaca event." Brazlilian "Tunguska event"; fire and "depopulation" - "An ear-piercing "whistling" sound, which might be understood as being a manifestation of the electrophonic phenomena which have been discussed in WGN over the past few years; the sun appearing to be "blood-red" before the explosion. The event occurred at about 8h local time, so that the bolide probably came from the sunward side of the earth. If the object were spawning dust and meteoroids-- that is, it was cometary in nature--then, since low-inclination, eccentric orbits produce radiants close to the sun, it might be that the solar coloration (which, in this explanation, would have been witnessed elsewhere) was due to such dust in the line of sight to the sun. In short, the earth was within the tail of the small comet. There was a fall of fine ash prior to the explosion, which covered the surrounding vegetation with a blanket of white.

And:

1935 - 11 Dec. - 21h local time - British Guyana - Lat: 2 deg 10min North, Long: 59 deg 10 min West, close to Marudi Mountain. A report from Serge A. Korff of the Bartol Research Foundation, Franklin Institute (Delaware, USA) suggested that the region of devastation might be greater than that involved in the Tunguska event itself. Eye-witness accounts were n accord with a large meteoroid/small asteroid entry, with a body passing overhead accompanied by a terrific roar (presumably electrophonic effects), later concussions, and the sky being lit up like daylight. A local aircraft operator, Art Williams, reported seeing an area of forest more than twenty miles (32 kilometers) in extent which had been destroyed, and he later stated that the shattered jungle was elongated rather than circular, as occurred at Tunguska and would be expected from the air blast caused by an object entering away from the vertical (the most likely entry angle for all cosmic projectiles is 45 degrees).

So Lewis is off by a bit.

 

[mabar]

Well now we have allegedly the first video that shows the cuba Meteor that was spottet on the same day as the russian one:
_http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/second-meteor-video-cuba-two-1712957

Well now we have allegedly the first video that shows the cuba Meteor that was spottet on the same day as the russian one:
_http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/second-meteor-video-cuba-two-1712957

I recognize the clip and image from this article, a 2010 event I think. And I don't think it was cuba, aren't those trafficlights US style?

EDIT: That type of trafficlights are used in Cuba it appears, the scene and framing I remember may just be very similar.

Although, from the comments in that website, at least tree people refere to the image to a video posted here: ¬_http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f8a4de8a13, from, Guadalajara, Mexico, 2006. It looks to me to Alcalde Avenue, and/or another avenue in down town center of Guadalajara. It is here also:_http://senalesdelostiempos.blogspot.mx/2007/07/meteoro-sobre-guadalajara-mxico.html ...and here: _http://cambios-planetarios.blogspot.mx/2007/08/meteoro-sobre-guadalajara-mxico.html, and here:_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c57KbPEI0i8

I don't know what to make of this one, it doesn't seems to be related to the video I posted above because it is at night, if it is real it surely looks stunning:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhvT2Rc1srw

That seems to be coming from here: (at least in youtube website, videos at the right side, the first image is quite similar to the one from above, refering to Cuba’s meteorite) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QvsPJjSKA
…at 0:23 the image from the fishermen (witnesses) enters, and at the left down corner there is a “inserted” time 7:54:09 … there are images from other videos (I presume) inserted to fill up the news? That does not seems to be from the event. Because at 0:37 from this video and at 0:29 from the same video, diferent page, it looks as the were in a city looks like, but from the testimony of the fishermen, they were in a rural area 1:39, at 2:22, _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkS2ZzeZRqY&feature=youtube_gdata, this one does not include the “male reporter” nor the “inserted time”.

Well now we have allegedly the first video that shows the cuba Meteor that was spottet on the same day as the russian one:
_http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/second-meteor-video-cuba-two-1712957

I think that it was spotted on the Tuesday, at least according to the eyewitnesses there AND only posted on the Friday. Here is the relevant bit from the article carried on sott:

In a video from a state TV newscast posted on the website CubaSi late Friday, unidentified residents of the central city of Rodas, near Cienfuegos, said the explosion was impressive.

"On Tuesday we left home to fish around five in the afternoon, and around 8:00 we saw a light in the heavens and then a big ball of fire, bigger than the sun," one local man said in the video.

http://www.sott.net/article/258527-Confirmed-Fireball-exploded-over-Cuba-last-week-Shock-wave-shook-buildings-caused-panic

Edit:From the context it is obvious that it refers to 8:00pm

Its the same video here and here: http://www.sott.net/article/258527-Confirmed-Fireball-exploded-over-Cuba-last-week-Shock-wave-shook-buildings-caused-panic
And here: _http://www.cubasi.cu/cubasi-noticias-cuba-mundo-ultima-hora/item/14384-en-video-el-meteorito-de-cienfuegos. Pretty much the same as those above: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QvsPJjSKA, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkS2ZzeZRqY&feature=youtube_gdata

And in Tuesday from last week 5th of February: (just audio in spanish) _ http://www.rcm.cu/meteorito-en-rodas/ the reporter mentioning that date and then it comes the testimonies, audio published on 15th of Frebruary…

I just want it to say about Cuba's meteorite that it is like quite a good example from what I read from Marc Bloch’s in 'The Historian's Craft' related to historical testimonies and witnesses, not taking at all for true? …yes, the meteorite at Cuba seems to had happend, yes, it seems was at night, although in in a rural area.
(I am referring here to the audio, because there are the same voices from the videos, the female reporter appearing at those videos does not seem to have the same voice as the one in the audio though, I supposed there were images too in the audio record, but where they are?... Whomever knows. Although not related to the meteorite per se, because I think in those rural areas, technology such as iPhone, videocamera, mobiles, internet, etc.. is not easy to find, I supposed that maybe the richman from Lajitas comunity would have had a mobilphone, but I do not think it would have an internet connection, or a computer) Other videos –images and voices, sounds etc.. inserted in above videos seems to not be related to the event, they inserted them to fill up the news? An image worth more than 1000 words, so is the saying.

 

[Chu]

I thought it interesting listening to SOTT Talk Radio yesterday, that Laura mentioned the dust in the atmosphere from a meteorite can sometimes take 2 years to trickle down to Earth. I

Yeah. Sometimes I wonder if all this "zombie" madness, and people deteriorating, is not another "cosmic side effect", so to say. We had Elenin, and all the increasing reports about fireballs and meteorits last year and in 2011. Could there already be mutations taking place, before the biggies hit and the plague comes?

Lobaczewski talks about how some characteropathies come to be due to virii, so maybe part of the changes we are seeing in people's psyches are not only due to health, programming, pathocracy and other "earthy" factors, but also to our cosmic friends... Just a thought.