Michael Jackson Dies

[Mountain Crown]

Alejo,

Please consider that punctuation facilitates flow of thought. The lack of it can induce the reader to dissociate.

 

[Alejo]

Thank you Mountain Crown,

I edited my post, I hope it's easier to read now

Thanks

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I might be way out but if you keep doing or not doing the same things, you will have the same results or no result.
If you want to have different results in your life then you have to change something.

I agree, but for some reason the repercussions of changing things seem so painful that I feel paralyzed and powerless right now.

If you were truly sorry and truly felt guilty, as you said you are/feel, then you would start to DO something NOW, not just "hope" to do something in some distant, indefinite future. In that light, your post doesn't sound really honest and sincere to me.

My feelings and thoughts are sincere, but I don't know why I still feel paralyzed and unable to make the necessary changes in my life, no matter how uncomfortable the results, in order to be able to DO something.

This last post stands out from his usual wirtting style. It seems forced and artificial, well insincere as already said.

I guess I was feeling the "heat" as a result of posting the jokes and I just didn't know how to respond, but I felt I should say something and that was all that I could say at the time.

Are you saying if you knew his children lived with him you wouldn't crack the joke?

Most likely not, I'm not so cold as to ignore someone losing a father. During my entire childhood my parents always spoke of MJ as some sort of hero and the best thing since sliced bread, so I looked up to him and he was basically the closest thing I ever had to a "hero" until I moved to the US. After this, I became very disillusioned and then started to seriously dislike him as I felt betrayed. I still like the music because I just like the genre/style of that kind of music, but I don't have an inkling of respect for him. And I know I'm coming from a very selfish and subjective perspective, and while I find it difficult to imagine why anyone would mourn his death, I do understand it from the perspective of his children losing a father.

Also the reason I said I hope things can change soon was mostly because right now it takes me over an hour to get to my computer job but they are moving me to a building closer to my home soon, so it should take 30 minutes or less. But I also realize I have to make much bigger changes to be able to truly DO anything at all. As G says, the evolution of man is the evolution of his power of doing, and 'doing' cannot be the result of things which 'happen'.

Right now I feel like I am disintegrating, becoming a dream in the past as the C's have said, and that is a pretty uncomfortable feeling to say the least. Everything in me screams that this is wrong, that this is not what I'm here for this time around - to just lead a pointless existence and just whither away and die having accomplished nothing of any Real value for myself nor anyone else. And that simultaneously makes me want to crawl into a helpless ball and cry, and at the same time makes me want to just snap out of it and rip through the chains of my self-imposed paralysis and simply DO what I KNOW is in me to DO. And it's not even changes on the outside that I have to make in order to be able to DO something - it is changes on the inside, and the outside will simply follow naturally as a result. I know this!

I am really hoping that the breathing techniques Laura is releasing may help me make those changes inside myself that I am continuously unable to. I hope this is not just another excuse to not face the internal fire. And I really sincerely don't want to just waste away into subjectivity and entropy, and I'm sorry if my words do not sound sincere. I really don't know what to say or do right now, all I know is that I'm not DOing what I know I should be DOing. Maybe I greatly underestimated the general law, or underestimated my own programs. I also know that it has been 2 years almost to the day since I was first given the opportunity to help with SOTT and in those 2 years very little if anything has changed - inside or outside. Well, the outside got progressively worse, binding me in all kinds of "obligations", and almost taunting me to "dare" to do something about it. And I know the real problem is inside me, not outside. It is possible that the reason I have all these "obligations" was my own predator choosing them to avoid having to Do the Work, to simply keep busy put myself into situations that are intentionally difficult and painful to get out of.

Those Pleadians aren't kidding when they say our life is a result of our thoughts, and I don't know why this is so difficult for me to learn, understand, and to apply. I'd even say our life is a reflection of who we are, not just thoughts, but our entire being. And the reflection I am seeing is very depressing.

 

[Oxajil]

Hi SAO,

I'd like to drop my 2 cents here. This is what I have observed from my own experiences and I could be way off:

When we do the Work we will make ''mistake'' after ''mistake''. We decide to take an opportunity and utilize it as best as possible, but when the ''time'' is there and we need to step up and do what we promised ourselves to do, we realize that we did not take that opportunity or haven't utilized it that well. This somehow sucks energy out of you, makes you tired, disappoints you or makes you think you didn't do anything at all: that you failed.

And sometimes that's ''good'', it shocks you, but I don't think one should continue having that feeling. Perhaps it is ''better'' if one accepts what has happened and tries his/her best next time. Because I think there will come new opportunities and new chances and the same traps will be there. And yes you can fall again, again and again. But if you stay true yourself, have faith in yourself and keep on going, there will be a MOMENT when you will CHOOSE not to fall! And that moment will come I'm sure, as long as you don't give up. A Positive Mental Attitude also plays its role in this.

And every time you fall you ''must'' ask yourself why you fell, how and what you can do about it. Many times you do know what to do, but the fire behind it is just missing. You know, but cannot do! I have this too, so much. I've made mistake after mistake but I never gave up, because I knew there was going to come a moment that I will do something. I always told myself "this will be the last time that I'm making this mistake and the next time I will do what I want to do!". Well I lied to myself, but I didn't stop going.
I once was quite disappointed at myself and got really sick after this, I knew I had to change my way of thinking.

And recently I experienced something beautiful that showed me that I could make a choice and DO something. It was I think determination, there weren't many "thought patterns" flying around in my head. It was clear what I wanted to Do (or so I think) and I did it. And I think I even got some help from above! Because I turned it into a creative act, rather than a energy losing act.

You should know SAO and perhaps you already know that your posts have been very inspirational and meaningful to many people. You have helped many people in this way, including myself and I'd like to thank you for that.

I think ,and I could be very wrong, I sense some kind of anger in you. An emotion towards the way our world ''works'', how unfair it is etc. And I couldn't agree more. But we should ''know'' when to let that anger out and when we should not.
It is very important to always ask ourselves why we say certain things, how others could understand what we are saying.
Trying to view yourself from every point of view possible. And if you can't than others will show you and it would be a great opportunity to learn.

For what it's worth:

Anger has its purpose. Anger is not purposeless and pain is not
purposeless. They all lead you to something. You can make an intention
to go into your feeling center and learn how to be centered there while
you explore the opportunities. If you say, "I am going to be centered
there," it sounds as if you won't allow yourself any movement within it.
Instead, just intend to have a centeredness. A centeredness does not
mean that things don't fluctuate; it means that you allow things to
fluctuate. Whether a boat is ready to tip over or is in calm water, /you
allow it. /You ride it, then you get out of the event either a calm ride
or a rough ride. Your emotions are not just food for others, /they are
food for the self. /This is how you nourish yourself and create your
identity. This is your identity as frequency through your emotions.
Emotions feed you and feed your call letters into existence.

You are going to deal with each of your boundaries, simply because that
is what you do not want to do. You would love to say, "Golden stardust,
eliminate all that has limited me. Boom! I am free!" Ideally, it would
be so simple. That is a classic example of wanting to recircuit and
bypass the feeling center. You have certain emotional beliefs or
feelings that assist in making these boundaries outside of yourself, so
when you break a boundary, you have to deal with the emotion that put
the boundary there in the first place. Through your emotional body you
are connected to your spiritual body. You may want to bypass something
that is difficult, yet you /have to feel your way through it./

You want to sweep difficult things under the rug and say, "I don't want
to do these," when the difficult things are your gemstones. Even if you
discover you have 101,000 boundaries, do not feel frustrated. Simply
say, "This is interesting." Look at the boundaries you have set up and,
instead of swearing at them, simply observe them and see if you can
discover how they came about. See what purpose they served-what grocery
store you shopped in when you bought those items.

As soon as you acknowledge and recognize and are willing to release
something, it moves. When you cling or have fear or think, "I like that
boundary; that serves me very well," then you limit yourself.

You must learn to /love your emotions. /As long as you describe
something as difficult, you are making it difficult. No one else is. You
are resisting and judging the changes coming about. You are feeling that
you do not know what is going on, and you wish to be in control. Control
is something very convenient and very handy. It must be applied at the
right place at the right time, like super glue. Super glue in the wrong
place doesn't do much good. Did you ever super glue your hands or lips
together? You must learn to exercise control in the way you use super
glue. If you screw up with super glue, you get stuck and you can't do
anything. Control is the same way: you get stuck with it, and it sticks
you to something that you don't need to be stuck to. You must be very
selective about what you decide to control or not control. The old human
pattern, or the paradigm that exists, says, "You must be in control."

 

[Snow]

Tonight I tried watching Michael's memorial, but couldn't continue watching. I was sickened because the people who used and abused him in life, still have control over his death and milk it for what's worth. What hypocracy by all...

 

[Erna]

[quote author=Snow]
I was sickened because the people who used and abused him in life, still have control over his death and milk it for what's worth.
[/quote]

That fortunately doesn't affect Michael anymore, he's rid of that.

 

[Vulcan59]

The last video that was released after his death is entitled "They Don't Care About Us"!! Message from the grave maybe?? :O

 

[Adaryn]

The last video that was released after his death is entitled "They Don't Care About Us"!! Message from the grave maybe?? :O

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=649902

Last update - 01:24 25/11/2005

Michael Jackson Has “An Anti-Semitic Streak” — Tape Shows He Hasn’t Learned From Past Mistakes

LOS ANGELES - The Anti-Defamation League yesterday demanded an apology from Michael Jackson after ABC aired what was said to be a telephone answering-machine message in which the pop star referred to Jews as “leeches.”

The message was supposedly recorded two years ago and has surfaced in connection with a lawsuit against the pop star.

“Michael Jackson has an anti-Semitic streak and hasn’t learned from his past mistakes,” ADL director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement. “It seems every time he has a problem in his life, he blames it on Jews.”

Jackson infuriated Jewish groups in 1995 when his song “They Don’t Care About Us” included the lyrics “Jew me, sue me, everybody do me, kick me, kik* me.” Jackson apologized, saying the lyrics were meant to demonstrate the hatefulness of racism, anti-Semitism and stereotyping. He then changed the lyrics.

On Tuesday, ABC’s “Good Morning America” aired portions of a 2003 voice message that Jackson was alleged to have left for a former adviser, Dieter Wiesner.

The message was among about a dozen released by attorney Howard King, who represents Wiesner and another former adviser who are locked in business disputes with the pop star and are suing him for millions. King said he released the tapes to keep Jackson from appearing sympathetic in court.

A transcript provided by King’s office quotes Jackson as saying: “They suck them like leeches. … They start out the most popular person in the world, make a lot of money, big house, cars and everything and end up penniless. It’s a conspiracy. The Jews do it on purpose.”

Jackson spokeswoman Raymone K. Bain said yesterday the singer had no comment. A call to Jackson’s attorney Thomas Mesereau was not immediately returned.

Jackson, now living in the Persian Gulf kingdom Bahrain, was acquitted in June of molesting a boy at his Neverland ranch

For lyrics, keep reading

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody’s gone mad

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kik* me
Don’t you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I’m tired of bein’ the victim of hate
You’re rapin’ me of my pride
Oh, for God’s sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy…
Set me free

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
trepidation, speculation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
black man, black male
Throw your brother in jail

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I’m tired of bein’ the victim of shame
They’re throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can’t believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don’t wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin’
He wouldn’t let this be, no, no

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Some things in life they just don’t wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin’
He wouldn’t let this be

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, segregation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Kick me, strike me
Don’t you wrong or right me

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

 

[Adaryn]

It seems he had converted to Islam a few months ago: [edit: sorry, Rabelais already talked about it, here]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3494296/Michael-Jackson-converts-to-Islam-and-changes-name-to-Mikaeel.html

Michael Jackson 'converts to Islam and changes name to Mikaeel'

By Graham Tibbetts
Published: 9:35AM GMT 21 Nov 2008

Michael Jackson wore an abaya, a traditional Arab women's veil, in Bahrain Photo: REUTERS
The singer, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, converted to Islam in a ceremony at a friend's house in Los Angeles.
He is said to have sat on the floor and worn a small hat while an imam officiated.
According to The Sun, the ceremony took place while Jackson, 50, was recording an album at the home of Steve Porcaro, a keyboard player who composed music on his Thriller album.
The former Jackson 5 star was counselled by David Wharnsby, a Canadian songwriter, and Phillip Bubal, a producer, who have both converted.
A source said Jackson had appeared a "bit down" and added: "They began talking to him about their beliefs, and how they thought they had become better people after they converted. Michael soon began warming to the idea.
"An imam was summoned from the mosque and Michael went through the shahada, which is the Muslim declaration of belief."
Last year his brother, Jermaine Friday, suggested Jackson would convert having taken an interest in Islam since Friday's conversion in 1989.
"When I came back from Mecca I got him a lot of books and he asked me lots of things about my religion and I told him that it's peaceful and beautiful," said Friday.
"He read everything and he was proud of me that I found something that would give me inner strength and peace.
"I think it is most probable that Michael will convert to Islam.
"He could do so much, just like I am trying to do. Michael and I and the word of God, we could do so much."

 

[Breton]

The last video that was released after his death is entitled "They Don't Care About Us"!! Message from the grave maybe?? :O

What do you mean "released after his death"?
Well, I hardly follow pop music -much less MJ - so I checked it out for the first time on youtube and saw it was released in 1996. By the way, I found the song kind of powerful, especially considering I have become sensitive to the reality of the pathological treatment of the poor and disenfranchised by the elite powers in this world.

He apparently made one in Brazil and another in a prison.
Brazil:_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKRhxC5NpA
Prison: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wy5qTeHqms

When I checked wikipedia they list some other music videos he made after this, but I guess this makes it one of his last released videos. A message for us, for sure.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson_videography#List_of_music_videos_by_Jackson



From what I knew of his life, I found him and his story to be very troubling. However I tend to retain some respect and awe when I just think of someone's life and death in the manner of an entity that incarnates into this world for a time, "to learn lessons" and then makes the transition to leave it. I suppose he is meeting with his "higher self" in 5D and contemplating and comprehending what just happened in the recent incarnation.

I remain sad on behalf those that really will miss him (like, say, his children), and I somewhat pity the society that probably will either just focus on making him into a pop "god", (king of pop? give me a break) or else just vilify him for his mistakes and failings, (possible crimes) and never actually try to LEARN something from his life.

_Breton_

 

[Mr. Premise]

Hi SAO,

A couple of things. I understand that when you are feeling the heat, what one writes on a forum doesn't convey what you are feeling, especially if you are feeling stunned.

As for the paralysis, I agree with other commentors that you are looking at it as having to make a huge CHANGE before starting to do stuff. It might be easier to realize there is lots to do even if you don't feel ready to DO. "The harvest is great and the workers are few." There are a lot of tasks that need to be done that you can start with at any time. Don't the Buddhists have a saying about sweeping the floor of the ashram or something? It's especially important in the Work, I think, to do the simple things that are ASKED. Start with those.

Hope this helps.

My feelings and thoughts are sincere, but I don't know why I still feel paralyzed and unable to make the necessary changes in my life, no matter how uncomfortable the results, in order to be able to DO something.

This last post stands out from his usual wirtting style. It seems forced and artificial, well insincere as already said.

I guess I was feeling the "heat" as a result of posting the jokes and I just didn't know how to respond, but I felt I should say something and that was all that I could say at the time.


Also the reason I said I hope things can change soon was mostly because right now it takes me over an hour to get to my computer job but they are moving me to a building closer to my home soon, so it should take 30 minutes or less. But I also realize I have to make much bigger changes to be able to truly DO anything at all. As G says, the evolution of man is the evolution of his power of doing, and 'doing' cannot be the result of things which 'happen'.

Right now I feel like I am disintegrating, becoming a dream in the past as the C's have said, and that is a pretty uncomfortable feeling to say the least. Everything in me screams that this is wrong, that this is not what I'm here for this time around - to just lead a pointless existence and just whither away and die having accomplished nothing of any Real value for myself nor anyone else. And that simultaneously makes me want to crawl into a helpless ball and cry, and at the same time makes me want to just snap out of it and rip through the chains of my self-imposed paralysis and simply DO what I KNOW is in me to DO. And it's not even changes on the outside that I have to make in order to be able to DO something - it is changes on the inside, and the outside will simply follow naturally as a result. I know this!

I am really hoping that the breathing techniques Laura is releasing may help me make those changes inside myself that I am continuously unable to. I hope this is not just another excuse to not face the internal fire. And I really sincerely don't want to just waste away into subjectivity and entropy, and I'm sorry if my words do not sound sincere. I really don't know what to say or do right now, all I know is that I'm not DOing what I know I should be DOing. Maybe I greatly underestimated the general law, or underestimated my own programs. I also know that it has been 2 years almost to the day since I was first given the opportunity to help with SOTT and in those 2 years very little if anything has changed - inside or outside. Well, the outside got progressively worse, binding me in all kinds of "obligations", and almost taunting me to "dare" to do something about it. And I know the real problem is inside me, not outside. It is possible that the reason I have all these "obligations" was my own predator choosing them to avoid having to Do the Work, to simply keep busy put myself into situations that are intentionally difficult and painful to get out of.

Those Pleadians aren't kidding when they say our life is a result of our thoughts, and I don't know why this is so difficult for me to learn, understand, and to apply. I'd even say our life is a reflection of who we are, not just thoughts, but our entire being. And the reflection I am seeing is very depressing.

 

[RedFox]

Hi SAO

fwiw I know where you're coming from having been in that state many times.....
I'm not sure how well I can communicate what I've learnt about it, but I will give it a go.

Firstly, would I be correct to say that you 'think' a lot? I remember many times being told that my problem was 'I think to much'.....eventually I realised two things. Its not thinking too much that's the problem, but thinking about the wrong things (or in the wrong way) that is the problem......I use my thinking as a way to avoid my feelings.
So lets take it right back to square one, forget what you 'know' for the moment because this seems to be causing an unbarable weight upon you tied to this enormous insurmountable idea that you should be 'DOing' something with what you 'know'.......I think this is where the impass is.

You are identifying with this state, and as such are intellectualising it in a way as to use your considerable knowledge as a tool to beat yourself with. Your negative introject is showing itself.....

Secondly you seem to have lost an objective over view of your situation, instead it is marred......it is both accurate (in that you cannot DO anything) and stuck within this vision (hence, you cannot DO anything)....it is an impass. An immovable force vs and immovable force. You are fixated by the horror of your situation, and therefore trapped by it. Therefore it is not an objective view of your situation, even if half of it is accurate.

So forget what you 'know' for now, and give your energy and attentions to observing yourself and your emotions. The clues are in what you have writtern.

I agree, but for some reason the repercussions of changing things seem so painful that I feel paralyzed and powerless right now.

Right now I feel like I am disintegrating, becoming a dream in the past as the C's have said, and that is a pretty uncomfortable feeling to say the least. Everything in me screams that this is wrong, that this is not what I'm here for this time around - to just lead a pointless existence and just whither away and die having accomplished nothing of any Real value for myself nor anyone else. And that simultaneously makes me want to crawl into a helpless ball and cry, and at the same time makes me want to just snap out of it and rip through the chains of my self-imposed paralysis and simply DO what I KNOW is in me to DO. And it's not even changes on the outside that I have to make in order to be able to DO something - it is changes on the inside, and the outside will simply follow naturally as a result. I know this!

Bold...."pain", "feel", "uncomfortable", "feeling"........your emotions are what you are avoiding.
Red....anger
Blue...sadness and depression tangled up with your negative introject
Yellow....intellectualising to avoid feeling
Green 'I'.......which 'I' feels the disintegration???? Is this good - false 'I' ego/predator disintegrating???? You are identifying with this disintegration....

One thing I noticed myself about a month ago now was a sense of 'sinking'. As if the tide was suddenly rushing in past me, and was going to cover me and I would drown. I felt the hopelessness and sunk. Why bother if I am going to drown under all this?
I concluded that if I was here, now, in this incarnation....then I chose to be. IF I chose this then only two things would make sense......either I am not going to drown under all this (I chose to be here because I am capable of dealing with this)....or I have chosen to learn what it is to try my best and fail none the less. Or at least, if I AM to fail...then I'm going out with a fight because I'm dammed well fed up of sinking myself! The part of me that sinks myself is the part I am happy to see disintegrating, 'It' is becoming a dream of the past.
So I came to the surface of the metaphorical waters rushing past me and decided to stay at the surface.....and that feeling has been carrying me forward since. I can only describe it (ironically) as surfing a wave. If you fight the flow of things, of how they are you sink.....if you ride the flow, you can eventually start to make course corrections in the hope of reaching your goal....

It may be worth revisiting this thread, and looking at it fresh Depression As A Stepping Stone (to Soul Growth)

I think that Laura's breathing techniques will be very beneficial for you....because it seems clear to me, that like myself you need to be unblocking your emotions to move forward. And as I unblock them and experience them and let them go....so it seems I move faster and can see clearer. And I can see looking back the more I avoided my emotions, the more I slowed to a halt....then stopped....then sank. This happened many many times until I've reached the point of starting to see it for what it is....my negative introject....bleeding myself dry to avoid feeling one ounce of the pain and anger I've carried inside me for so so long for fear that to let it out would consume me and 'I' would be lost.

You are a brave, intelligent and caring soul SAO. I have seen you help others hear many many times, and you have helped me immeasurably. Do not give up on that part of yourself. Do not give in to your demons that profess to protect you from the oblivion of your feelings.....turn and face the emotions and embrace them as your own....and watch your lying demons fade to dust.

To know that you can DO nothing is a beautiful thing, because it leaves room for the potential to DO Anything. And from my observations of you SAO, you have been DOing on this forum for some years now. :)

 

[Vulcan59]

What do you mean "released after his death"?
Well, I hardly follow pop music -much less MJ - so I checked it out for the first time on youtube and saw it was released in 1996......

Apologies Breton. What I intended to mean was the video of his rehearsals prior to his London tour this year.

 

[lara4unow]

All in all I also feel that he may have been a struggling and naive person who was "milked".

This is very likely. He started as a child and all his life he has been "the thing" of the showbusiness world. Maybe the process of destroying him (his image to start with) started very early while at the same time using his talent to gain money.

Yeah, I figure, souled or not, he never had a chance. He was a public commodity by the time he was six, abused by his father Joe, never had any sort of real childhood or semblance of normal life at all. A rather tragic figure from the beginning who ended up so twisted, self-hating and deformed (inside and out) that I think that death is a huge benefit.

I'd not be at all surprised to find for certain that he was engaged in pedophilia - I think whoever he might have really been was destroyed very early on - that doesn't excuse it by any stretch of the imagination, but when you turn a very young child into a superstar, manipulate, abuse and milk him for his entire life - terrible things become possible.

I also think he was a true musical genius - it's a very harsh world for a child genius in the hands of wolves. Again - I'm not excusing the horrific things he's likely done - just stating that I really don't think he ever had a chance and by the time he turned 30 (maybe earlier), I think he was completely insane. Of course, I could be completely wrong.

Your statements above are full of subjective reactions and opinions such as " A rather tragic figure from the beginning who ended up so twisted, self-hating and deformed (inside and out) that I think that death is a huge benefit., I'm not excusing the horrific things he's likely done & " A rather tragic figure from the beginning who ended up so twisted, self-hating and deformed (inside and out) that I think that death is a huge benefit."

Of course, you maybe completely wrong, so why suggest and put forth such subjective opinions in this forum, where objective truth seeking is the rule? I am very disappointed in your statements, anart. As a moderator you should know better. What we do know is how his music touched many human beings hearts including mine. What we do not know, at all, is the truth of what or what did not happen with regard to pedophilia or anything he has been accused of. I say accused of because he is innocent until proven guilty. Unless you have been in his heart, in his physical shoes or anywhere near his soul essence, how could you make a statement like "ended up so twisted" (in who's description, the mainstream media which you read or what? or self-hating, did you ask him or deformed, in who's opinion?

 

[PepperFritz]

Lara4unow:

Michael Jackson led an extremely public life. While there is much that we cannot "know" with certainty (including whether or not the molestation charges against him had any merit), there is much that IS known and can be examined objectively.

It is hardly "subjective" to conclude that someone with such an extreme need to change his physical appearance through expensive, and ultimately destructive and deforming plastic surgery, had some very serious psychological issues, including self-hatred. The circumstances of his life that contributed to those issues are indeed "tragic".

I can't help but wonder why you have reacted so emotionally to Anart's post.