Morgellons: Controversial disease doctors refuse to treat

Re: Was Morgellons released into our environment deliberately or by accide

What i've read so far leads me to believe it's more of a toxic reaction to the crap in our food/water then a virus, or illness. It also seems to only show up in first world nations, so perhaps the use of GMOs is also involved?

Morgellon's watch is up, I'm not sure what you mean by claiming it was shut down.

Praying, are you aware of the guidelines of this forum? Belief isn't asked for, nor given, what we share is evidence and discuss that evidence to make the discussion as objective as possible.
 
Re: Was Morgellons released into our environment deliberately or by accide

praying4goodness said:
Please, please, please believe me - this is very real and every bit as horrible as it sounds.

Ark was not asking for evidence that Morgellons is "real". He was responding to BrandyTwirl's statement that "Evidence shows that there is a viral nano video camera imbedded in some of the blue fibers growing out of the lesions of victims". It is only reasonable to ask to see such "evidence", and the source of such "evidence", in order to objectively evaluate its validity.

Don't you agree?
 
Re: Was Morgellons released into our environment deliberately or by accide

BrandyTwirl & Praying for Goodness:

I note that you are both new to the forum. A warm welcome to you both!

It's customary for new members to post a brief intro about themselves in the Newbies section. No need to share personal information, just give us a general sense of what led you to this forum, how long you've been reading it and/or the SOTT page, whether or not you've read any of Laura's books yet, etc.

Thanks.

:)
 
The mention of Joni Mitchell caught my eye since, way back in the day, I knew a couple of people who knew Joni well and thought very highly of her. So, I g**gled "joni mitchell" and morgellons and found this excellent article:

Morgellons: Terrifying New Disease Reaching Pandemic Status

(NaturalNews) It sounds like something from a bad sci-fi movie. People report the sensation of creatures crawling under their skin, mysterious moving fibers appear, and finally bugs and worms pop out. Unfortunately, these terrifying symptoms are all too true. The people having them are experiencing Morgellons, the latest and scariest in the series of bizarre diseases appearing in the last few years, seemingly from nowhere. Morgellons is now reaching epidemic proportions in the U.S. and abroad.

Morgellons is a multi-dimensional disease


Morgellons starts with relentless itching, stinging or biting sensations. Cotton-like balls may appear on the body with no reasonable explanation. Soon skin rash develops along with lesions that will not heal. Many sufferers report string-like fibers of varying color popping out through the skin lesions. These fibers can be black, white, red or even iridescent blue. Others report black specks falling from their bodies that litter their sheets and bathrooms. Eventually a variety of bugs and worms begin to find their way out of the body through the lesions. Other accompanying symptoms include hair loss, debilitating and chronic fatigue, hard nodules beneath the skin, and joint pain.

Morgellons also has a cognitive aspect. People with the disease experience neurological damage that manifests as difficulty concentrating, inability to process and use language effectively, and generalized brain fog. The presence of reduced cognitive ability has made it easier for doctors to dismiss Morgellons and send patients away with a diagnosis of delusional parasitosis, meaning they are imagining they are infected by parasites. After the typical eight minute visit, traditional doctors pull out their prescription pads and write these people prescriptions for antidepressants or antipsychotic medications.

As a result, Morgellons also has a psychological component. Once people become aware that symptoms such as theirs are treated as delusions they are reluctant to seek further medical attention and tend to withdraw from society with their only contact with others being through the internet. They begin living the lifestyle of the leper. Many have to give up their jobs and become dependent on public assistance. This adds to the psychological debilitation of the disease. Not being taken seriously when you know you have a terrifying and devastating disease causes permanent psychological damage.

Morgellon's victims feel the resentment other patients do when they are told it is all in their heads. As Morgellon's progresses and the neurological symptoms become more manifest, patients can become difficult to care for and deal with. Isolated with only the internet, they become less able to effectively care for themselves. Some Morgellons patients have committed suicide.

It is a sad situation that the traditional doctor's visit must often end in a diagnosis, but the doctor is unwilling or unable to take the time to make sure it is a correct diagnosis. The traditional medical set up is frequently unable to deal with patients who present with a variety of diverse symptoms affecting several body systems at one time.

Oakland A's player Billy Koch and his family all have Morgellons. They have been open about their disease and have made some attempt to educate others. Billy had to retire from his baseball career as a result of the disease. Singer Joni Mitchell also has Morgellons, and the disease has negatively impacted her career as well.

Many morgellons victims end up trying to treat themselves


Anyone with Morgellons's symptoms will probably spend a lot of time going from doctor to doctor. While the unhelpful ones simply tell them they are delusional, the helpful ones prescribe a variety of creams used for scabies, ring worm and other parasitic diseases, but nothing works for more than a few days. With no help from the medical community, people with Morgellons turn to the internet where they learn the name for their disease and the names for the parasites that are coming through their skin. As a result of desperation and the lack of information about the disease except from chat boards, many victims end up trying a variety of toxic treatments at home.

Authorities on the disease are emerging

One of the few people to take the disease seriously was Randy Wymore, a neuroscientist at Oklahoma State University Center for Health Science. He received samples from a range of people who claimed the fibers had come through their skin. Although the samples all resembled one another, to him they looked like no other synthetic or natural fiber with which he compared them. He finally asked the Tulsa police department's forensics team to examine them.

The team identified the chemical structures of the fibers and compared them to their database of 800 fibers. They found no match, so they used gas chromatography to compare the fibers to their data on 90,000 organic compounds. The fibers did not match up with any of them. They concluded that the fibers were unknown, and not contaminants from clothing sticking to scabs on the lesions as had been thought by those so ready to dismiss what their patients were saying. Wymore and the forensic team concluded that the disease producing these fibers was very real and very frightening.

Wymore then asked the chief of the pediatrics department at Oklahoma State University Hospital, Rhonda Casey, to take a look at some of the patients. At first she was tempted to dismiss them too, but she began to realize how ill the people were. They had neurological symptoms that included confusion, loss of control of their feet that resulted in difficulty walking, and their mouths sagged when they spoke. Many had been diagnosed with neurological diseases.

Dr. Casey examined the patients, took biopsies of their lesions as well as from their healthy skin. Using a dermatoscope, she was able to observe fibers under completely unbroken skin. She found them embedded in the healthy tissue of the patients as well as the diseased tissue, and admitted seeing the full range of fiber colors. She reported seeing a lesion on a young girl's thigh with black fibers just barely protruding from it, and concluded that she could not have done this to herself.

Another person taking the disease seriously is Trisha Springstead, a registered nurse in Florida who has become a beacon of light for Morgellon's patients in the area. She has seen the fibers come through their skin, and has spent hours with patients extracting parasites embedded so deeply that a needle is required to extract them. According to her, a dermatoscope does not penetrate deeply enough to reveal the full extent of parasite involvement.

CDC begins epidemiologic investigation into Morgellons

In April, 2006, the CDC recommended an epidemiological investigation of what they were then referring to as a public health concern. In January, 2008 they announced a grant to health care giant Kaiser Permanente to test and interview 150 to 500 patients suffering from Morgellons. The study is being done in the Bay Area of northern California, where many Morgellons patients live. Kaiser Permanente doctors have been among the most ready to classify Morgellons as delusional parasitosis.

The National Center for Zoonotic, Vector-Borne, and Enteric Diseases (ZVED) provided statements posted on the CDC website regarding what the CDC now calls "Unexplained Dermopathy (aka Morgellons"). This organization was created in 2007 under CDC's Coordinating Center for Infectious Diseases. ZVED promotes itself as proving leadership, expertise, and service in laboratory and epidemiological science, bioterrorism preparedness, applied research, disease surveillance, and outbreak response for infectious diseases.

The term zoonotic refers to any disease that is able to jump the divide from animals to people. Microbes created for bioterrorism are zoonotic. There are many known zoonotic diseases, such as Lyme disease and malaria. Vectors are the transmitters of disease-causing organisms that carry the pathogens from one host to another. By common usage, vectors are considered to be invertebrate animals, usually arthropods. Technically, vertebrates can also act as vectors, including foxes, raccoons, and skunks, which can all transmit disease to humans through a bite. Mosquitoes and ticks are the most notable disease vectors, although mites and gnats may also carry disease. Enteric diseases are bacterial and viral infections of the gastrointestinal tract that account for an under appreciated burden of morbidity and mortality domestically and abroad.

The involvement of ZVED in creating the CDC webpage for Mogellons clearly implies acceptance by the CDC that Morgellons is a disease involving not just fibers but parasites.

ZVED's vision statement describes three goals: accelerating prevention, control, and preparedness of ecologically mediated microbial threats; global vision, global presence, global reach, and health impact; and working at the intersection of human, animal, and ecological health to achieve healthier people, places, and a healthier world.

The Morgellons, GMO link persists

About the time that Dr. Wymore's forensic investigation of fibers was completed, a specialist in infectious disease detection, Ahmed Kilani, claimed to have broken down two fiber samples and extracted their DNA. He found that they belonged to a fungus.

Meanwhile, Vitaly Citovsky, Professor of Biochemistry and Cell Biology at Stony Brook University in New York, discovered the fibers contained the substance Agrobacterium Tumafaciens, the bacteria causing crown gall disease in plants (formation of tumors in more than 140 species of dicot plants). It is a genus of gram-negative bacteria capable of genetically transforming not only plants, but also other eukaryotic species, including humans.

Anonymous samples were provided to Professor Citovsky by the Morgellon's Research Foundation to use in investigating the potential presence of Agrobacterium Tumafaciens in biopsies from Morgellon's patients. Control reactions included samples provided by healthy donors. Only Morgellons, not healthy subjects, tested positive for the bacterium in these studies.

Professor Citovsky issued a statement saying his observation does not imply that Agrobacterium Tumafaciens causes Morgellons, or that Morgellons is indeed an infectious disease. However, he has called for further study to determine (1) statistical significance of data, (2) whether the bacterium is not only present extracellularly, but also causes genetic transformation of the infected tissues, and (3) whether infection of laboratory animals with the bacterium can recreate symptoms of Morgellons.

Agrobacteerium Tumafaciens is a soil bacterium. Symptoms of grown gall disease are caused by the insertion of a small segment of DNA into the plant cell, which is incorporated at a semi-random location into the plant genome. They are parasitic and detrimental to the plant.

DNA transmission capabilities of Agrobacterium have been extensively exploited by biotechnologists as a means for inserting foreign genes into plants. They discovered the gene transfer mechanism between Agrobacterium and plants, and developed methods to alter Agrobacterium into an efficient delivery system for gene engineering in plants. This is done by cloning the desired gene sequence into the transfer DNA (T-DNA) that will be inserted into the host DNA. Under laboratory conditions the T-DNA has also been transferred to human cells, demonstrating the diversity of insertion application. The mechanism through which Agrobacterium inserts materials into the host cell is very similar to mechanisms used by pathogens to insert materials (usually proteins) into human cells.

For more information:

http://www.cdc.gov/unexplaineddermopathy/
http://www.cdc.gov/nczved/
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=20070227-000003&page=1
http://www.naturalnews.com/023004.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrobacterium_tumefaciens

About the author: Barbara is a school psychologist, a published author in the area of personal finance, a breast cancer survivor using "alternative" treatments, a born existentialist, and a student of nature and all things natural.
 
There's even some info about this Agrobacterium on wiki:

[...]Agrobacterium is well known for its ability to transfer DNA between itself and plants, and for this reason it has become an important tool for plant improvement by genetic engineering.

Agrobacterium in humans

Although generally seen as an infection in plants, Agrobacterium can be responsible for opportunistic infections in humans with weakened immune systems,[1][2] but has not been shown to be a primary pathogen in otherwise healthy individuals. A 2000 study published by the National Academy of Sciences suggested that Agrobacterium attaches to and genetically transforms several types of human cells by integrating its T-DNA into the human cell genome. The study was conducted under laboratory conditions and states that it does not draw any conclusions regarding related biological activity in nature.[3]

There is a conjectured connection with Morgellons syndrome. Dr. Stricker, along with Dr. Citovsky, MRF board member from the State University of New York at Stony Brook and an expert on plant pathogens, reported in January, 2007, that Morgellons skin fibers appear to contain cellulose. Five skin samples of Morgellons patients contained evidence of DNA from Agrobacterium.[4]

Agrobacterium is listed as being the original source of genetic material that was transferred to these USA GMO foods [7]:

* Soybean
* Cotton
* Corn
* Sugar Beet
* Alfalfa
* Wheat
* Rapeseed Oil (Canola)
* Creeping bentgrass (for animal feed)

Then on the Agrobacterium tumefaciens' page:

The wide variety of plants affected by Agrobacterium makes it of great concern to the agriculture industry[2].

Economically, A. tumefaciens is a serious pathogen of grape vines, stone fruits, nut trees, sugar beets, horse radish and rhubarb.
 
Okay, if this agrobacterium thing is implicated, how might it be controlled? I found this page:
http://www.biology.ed.ac.uk/research/groups/jdeacon/microbes/crown.htm

where we read:

In general, bacterial diseases of plants are very difficult to control owing to the lack of effective chemicals. Antibiotics could be used, but they are expensive and, in any case, the compounds that are valuable for human therapy are not allowed to be used in agriculture. The most effective alternative is the use of copper, which is potentially phytotoxic.

However, for the nopaline-producing strains of A. tumefaciens there is a highly effective biocontrol system, discovered and developed by Allan Kerr in Australia. It has been used in Australia since 1973 - the first commercial biological control agent for any plant disease. It is now used world-wide, and marketed by several companies under a range of trade names (e.g. "Galltrol"). See Crown Gall Disease of Nursery Crops (Oregon State University) (not on this server)

etc etc

So, it seems that antibiotics and maybe anti-fungals given at the same time might do the trick. Are there any reports of anyone trying a multi-anti-biotic and anti-fungal approach?
 
Just a thought, if agrobacterium is indeed the culprit how to explain the worms and bugs crawling out of the skin. Is this reliable symptom anyway or just added disinfo to make the story more juicy - if it was regular occurrence in the afflicted individuals I am sure that we would have at least one worm or a bug submitted to the lab for testing and in that case half of the mystery would be solved.

praying4goodness said:
Some of the things I have seen and experienced I won't even tell others with Morgellons.
I am 100% sane....though I have no right to be!!!
Hi, I am sorry to hear about your predicament.
Could you kindly tell us more. After all this is anonymous forum, plus although very discerning crowd we are still pretty open minded :halo:
Have you ever experienced above mentioned bugs and worms crawling out of your skin?!

Did you try alfa alfa tablets - there were some reports ( i dont know how reliable) of people curing Morellons this way? It might be worth trying.
 
see this post for additional info about Monsanto and with a special mention of Stubblebine and Laibow:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5475.msg88972#msg88972
 
Did you try alfa alfa tablets - there were some reports ( i dont know how reliable) of people curing Morellons this way? It might be worth trying.

I can imagine that alfalfa might be helpful in the sense that it is alkalizing and detoxifying to the blood, lymph and kidneys. Could also be worthwhile to do a mix of *organic* greens, including: alfalfa, nettles, wheat-grass etc (long list of greens). The idea being that you want to create an alkaline environment. Most microbes, weather bacterial, viral, fungal, parasitic, mycoplasm (plasma?), cannot survive in an alkaline environment. So ... as nice as greens are, in that they have a lot of trace-minerals, antioxidants and other cell-protective and detoxifying qualities ... the other part of the equation has to be that you avoid imbibing anything that is acid-forming, and seek out foods that contribute to alkalizing.

After reading through many of the posts, there are several things that keep occurring to me. First of all, the fibrous thing. There are enzymes that effectively break down fiber and cellulose; and when taken on an empty stomach where they will not be used to break down a meal, they will work systematically within the entire body.

One that I thought of is Serratiopeptidase, a proteolytic enzyme (protease), originally produced by enterobacterium Serratia sp. E-15.[1] This microorganism was originally isolated in the late 1960s from silkworm Bombyx mori L. (intestine),[2] Serratiopeptidase is present in the silkworm intestine and allows the emerging moth to dissolve its cocoon. Serratiopeptase is produced by purification from culture of Serratia E-15 bacteria. [ The type that is available to consumers today is processed through fermentation of plant-grown enzymes, and is generally of such purity that it is suitable even for consumption by vegetarians. ]

Serratiopeptidase has been widely used for over 30 years in many Asian and European countries. In Austria and Germany for instance, it is available by prescription only. Fortunately, in the U.S. – and elsewhere – this is not the case. It is so safe, in fact, that it can be taken by children, pregnant women, and has even been successfully used on pets.

[side note for Laura KJ: Chronic inflammation lies at the heart of a myriad of ailments, including headaches, muscle and joint pain (from exercise, or in conditions such as arthritis or fibromyalgia) – and ultimately, even more serious diseases such as cancer and heart disease. Unlike conventional pain med’s, which are designed to only relieve the inflammation, serratiopeptidase actually breaks down the protein deposits (known as fibrin) which often remain – and continue to cause pain and discomfort – even after your body has healed from an injury or other irritation.]

My understanding is that it has also been shown to be effective in treating Uterine Fibroids, which even after surgery, have a tendancy to come back. Serrapeptase disolves fibrin in the blood stream by eating through fibrin by attaching it self to the fibrosis tissue and then like a lock and key mechanism the fibrin disolves and is removed from the body by sweat, urine or feces. I have also seen it referred to as Nattokinase.

The other enzyme that comes to mind is Cellulase; which obviously breaks down cellulose. More research needed to figure out which cellulase is appropriate. There are many different cellulases, most of which function at different PH ranges. I would think it would be important to find one that specifically functions at the blood PH level.

In addition, there are several things that can kill a wide range of microbes. When working on a systemic condition, it is important to rotate from one product to another every couple of months so that the organism does not have the chance to overcome the effect and adapt to any one treatment. The first one that comes to mind is Grapefruit Seed Extract. One should increase the amount taken, very gradually and continue to divided doses. Otherwise, the die off effect can be overwhelming. (see Herxheimer reaction.)

Another good one would be oregano oil. The strongest you can find! It is also important to take a probiotic concurrently with these supplements, as GSE and O.Oil will also kill off your friendly bacteria. So get a probiotic that has a wide range of species (at least 10), and a high bacterial count of no less than 20 billion, which can be taken more than once a day. Preferrably 50 billion a day. Also, make sure that probiotics are taken on an empty stomach with a full glass of water so that they have the opportunity to collonize the intestines.

The last thing, which can definitely be combined with any of the others, is colloidal silver, which can also be used directly on the skin. (in fact, I am highly intrigued by that idea!) They are NOT all the same!!! It is important to research the company, their manufacturing methods and quality standards. The one I have become most fond of is Sovereign Silver (10ppm, guaranteed particle size of 0.0008 microns, actively charged, even disbursement that stays disbursed! Does not clump together.) They call it a bio-active silver hydrosol, and it has been shown to be more safe and effective and active than even those products that claim 500 ppm.

Quote from Southcity:
and finally the most common thing reported and seen by those suffering from this is the fibers seen outside the body. One can put fresh sparkling clean sheets on their bed, shower and scrub fanatically, go from shower to bed, then wake up to find these structures in bed with them. I am not kidding when I say these were not in the bed when you got in it.
and
Quote from mcb:
And she & I both have discussed the acknowledgement of (what we named) "lint bugs".


I have seen a number of references to this granual or seed-like structure that produced as noted above. And this may sound like a strange thing to ask, but has anyone tried to plant one in a pot of dirt? Do they grow and produce a plant?

OK... so, that is my 2 cents. I would be very interested to hear if anyone has already tried any of these remedies, and if or how well they have worked.

Never give up!!!
Lar
 
Hi Lauranimal,

I found this study done at Bandolier which seems to suggest that Serratiopeptidase is not very effective. They do state that "Existing trials are small and generally of poor methodological quality."

I then did a further search and I found this which states the following
Serratiopeptidase did not showed significant analgesic and anti-inflammatory action. Mild-to-moderate adverse effects were reported.
Now I know results can be suppressed or skewed to fulfill a particular agenda. Are there any other references that I can look up?
 
Now I know results can be suppressed or skewed to fulfill a particular agenda. Are there any other references that I can look up?

I most certainly will look in to that more deeply when I have a bit more time. The next few days are a crunch for me. However, I just put out an email to an associate of mine who specializes in enzymes. I am hoping that he will have easy access some studies and data links, though it may take a few days for him to get back to me.

So ... keep your eyes out for more info.
Everybody here is really great about providing sources and links. I will have to make that more of a habit.

Thanks for your patience.
Lar
 
Lauranimal said:
Unlike conventional pain med’s, which are designed to only relieve the inflammation, serratiopeptidase actually breaks down the protein deposits (known as fibrin) which often remain – and continue to cause pain and discomfort – even after your body has healed from an injury or other irritation.]

My understanding is that it has also been shown to be effective in treating Uterine Fibroids, which even after surgery, have a tendancy to come back. Serrapeptase disolves fibrin in the blood stream by eating through fibrin by attaching it self to the fibrosis tissue and then like a lock and key mechanism the fibrin disolves and is removed from the body by sweat, urine or feces. I have also seen it referred to as Nattokinase.

I was wondering if nattokinase and serratiopeptidase are different and sometimes confused as the same. I've heard of nattokinase as "fibrinolytic agent", but mostly making the blood more thin, dissolving blood clots. This serratiopeptidase seems very interesting, with much more properties.

FWIW, I did a quick search and found a few studies, including the following:

Protease treatment affects both invasion ability and biofilm
formation in Listeria monocytogenes

Microbial Pathogenesis 45 (2008) 45–52

Listeria monocytogenes is a notably invasive bacterium associated with life-threatening food-borne
disease in humans. Several surface proteins have been shown to be essential in the adhesion of L.
monocytogenes, and in the subsequent invasion of phagocytes. Because the control of the invasion of host
cells by Listeria could potentially hinder its spread in the infected host, we have examined the effects of
a protease treatment on the ability of L. monocytogenes to form biofilms and to invade tissues. We have
chosen serratiopeptidase (SPEP), an extracellular metalloprotease produced by Serratia marcescens that is
already widely used as an anti-inflammatory agent, and has been shown to modulate adhesin expression
and to induce antibiotic sensitivity in other bacteria. Treatment of L. monocytogenes with sublethal
concentrations of SPEP reduced their ability to form biofilms and to invade host cells. Zymograms of the
treated cells revealed that Ami4b autolysin, internalinB, and ActA were sharply reduced. These cellsurface
proteins are known to function as ligands in the interaction between these bacteria and their host
cells, and our data suggest that treatment with this natural enzyme may provide a useful tool in the
prevention of the initial adhesion of L. monocytogenes to the human gut.

If it can control the invasion of such an evil bacteria, that is quite something. I look forward for more info and I'll try to have a closer look to the studies when I get a chance.
 
Lauranimal said:
One that I thought of is Serratiopeptidase, a proteolytic enzyme (protease), originally produced by enterobacterium Serratia sp. E-15.[1] This microorganism was originally isolated in the late 1960s from silkworm Bombyx mori L. (intestine),[2] Serratiopeptidase is present in the silkworm intestine and allows the emerging moth to dissolve its cocoon. Serratiopeptase is produced by purification from culture of Serratia E-15 bacteria. [ The type that is available to consumers today is processed through fermentation of plant-grown enzymes, and is generally of such purity that it is suitable even for consumption by vegetarians. ]

Serratiopeptidase has been widely used for over 30 years in many Asian and European countries. In Austria and Germany for instance, it is available by prescription only. Fortunately, in the U.S. – and elsewhere – this is not the case. It is so safe, in fact, that it can be taken by children, pregnant women, and has even been successfully used on pets.

[side note for Laura KJ: Chronic inflammation lies at the heart of a myriad of ailments, including headaches, muscle and joint pain (from exercise, or in conditions such as arthritis or fibromyalgia) – and ultimately, even more serious diseases such as cancer and heart disease. Unlike conventional pain med’s, which are designed to only relieve the inflammation, serratiopeptidase actually breaks down the protein deposits (known as fibrin) which often remain – and continue to cause pain and discomfort – even after your body has healed from an injury or other irritation.]

Yes, I pretty much fit the fibromyalgia profile. I can control my pain by not eating ANYthing that triggers it, and that means I eat a very restricted diet and if I slip, within hours I begin to "pay" for it. So I'm looking for anything to experiment with that will break down the deposits of whatever it is that is living in my joints and tissues that gets set on fire with assorted sparks.

I am taking a broad spectrum enzyme product, and notice benefits from that, but it all takes time. I didn't get this way overnight and it isn't gonna go away overnight. Years of ignorance contributed to it. Geeze, for years I ate what would be considered a very superior diet, but it was all combined with elements that were absolutely deadly like wheat and corn, corn syrup, and so on.

Thanks for the clues...
 
Hey Vulcan59, I have not forgotten....
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Now I know results can be suppressed or skewed to fulfill a particular agenda. Are there any other references that I can look up?

I most certainly will look in to that more deeply when I have a bit more time. The next few days are a crunch for me. However, I just put out an email to an associate of mine who specializes in enzymes. I am hoping that he will have easy access some studies and data links, though it may take a few days for him to get back to me.

So ... keep your eyes out for more info.

Finally heard back from my associate, see below. He has great access to studies, and I am very hopeful that he will be able to provide some good info :whistle:

RE: Enzymes! What else? LOL!
Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:40 PM
From:
"J*** E***"
To:
"'Laura T*****'"

Hi Laura! I apologize for not getting back sooner. I struggle to keep up with my emails – I will always get to them, but sometimes it may take me a week! I will look into this and try to find you some actual proven research because I believe you are right on top of it. By the way, I’m sorry I missed you at the store last week. Next visit I will try to catch you!

I’ll get back to you soon…

J

Psyche, You are absolutely correct. Serratiopeptidase and Nattokinase are in fact two different things, though yes... often found together as they compliment eachother. Thank you for catching my error.

These cellsurface proteins are known to function as ligands in the interaction between these bacteria and their host cells, and our data suggest that treatment with this natural enzyme may provide a useful tool in the prevention of the initial adhesion of L. monocytogenes to the human gut.

If it can control the invasion of such an evil bacteria, that is quite something. I look forward for more info and I'll try to have a closer look to the studies when I get a chance.

INDEED! I was really just trying to think outside of the box here. It is the fact that it works on fibrous materials such as adhesions, ligands and such that made me wonder if it wouldn't have an effect on other fibrous materials. I am learning quickly, not to post to these boards without thorough research and references. I am very hopeful that my associate will get back to me with some kind of relevant information, though it may be with regard to an entirely different enzyme or group of enzymes.

Enzymes can be really incredible healers on so many levels. A lack of the proper enzymes that would take out any kind of pathogen in a healthy person, may be a significant factor. Some of the chemicals we come in contact with on a daily basis, may in fact inhibit our natural production of essential enzymes.

So ... I apologize for my lack of legwork ahead of time. I had just wanted to jump in and share the thoughts that had come to mind as I was reading through the thread. Thank you for looking in to it and I will let you know as soon as I find out more.
~Lar
 
Lauranimal said:
Hey Vulcan59, I have not forgotten....

I didn't think you did and in any case, it is not about answering to anybody. It's more about supporting data to what you claim so that all will benefit if the data checks out, that is if the data is available in the first place. Looking forward to the response from J***E***.
 
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