Mother of all gushers - BP Oil Disaster in Gulf of Mexico

Dawn said:
Another possible outcome from all of this (rather it be a volcano or a deep well of oil):
Gulf's Evolution Makes the Shakes
_http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2002/11nov/rift_zone.cfm

earthquake_map2lg.jpg

Interesting...there are American Indian prophecies which tell of North America being PHYSICALLY broken in two.
 
venusian said:
One thing I have noticed in the past few days is that in the absence of reliable, truthful information coming from any trusted authority, there seem to be increasingly hysterical reports all around the internet about what is going on. I sure can't tell with any certainty what is/might be true in some of the things I've seen, as geology and petroleum science is not my field of knowledge.

One place that does seem to have quite a few knowledgeable people with experience in the oil-drilling field is _http://www.theoildrum.com/. There are volumes of discussion, debate and observation there from people who work, or have worked in the industry, and detailed technical explanations about what is going on. It becomes clear after a little reading that there is quite a bit of science involved which most people are simply unaware of. No one there is suggesting that this is anything other than an oil well. The white stuff seen on the underwater cameras is methane hydrate which is frozen, and would be expected to be coming from a well like this, at least according to what I've read there. I don't agree with the basic peak-oil premise of the site, but I've learned quite a bit about oil drilling, and enough to understand that none of us really have all the data about what is happening.

It does seem clear that this situation is out of control and much worse than what the public is being told. And it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine the result will be increasingly chaotic on many levels in the coming weeks. As for whether it was intentional, I think that depends on how high up the chain one wants to go. Even if no humans were consciously intending this, it seems like it would fit into the 4-D STS plan quite well.

venusian,

I don't claim to be an expert in any of this stuff. However, when a website or group claims to support the "peak oil" theory, I tend to get a little suspicious. I think at this point "peak oil" has been thoroughly debunked from many credible sources (shouldn't it be obvious by now!?). Remember, a lot of disinformation is wrapped up as credible "science" too, so it takes a lot of reading from various sources to feel out what is close to the truth - especially in these topics such as petroleum geology where the experts should admit that we actually know very little.

I suggest doing a google search for "Thomas Gold professional papers". There used to be a couple websites that hosted his papers, but most have been removed. The only place I can find them now is scribd, unfortunately. In any case, I think you'll find these papers useful in explaining some of the knowledge gaps in petroleum geology/science.

I don't think we have enough information yet to say if this oil leak is anything more than that. However, the fact that there have been some credible sources pointing to multiple leaks, some miles away from the Deepwater Horizon disaster seems to indicate that something more is going on than what we're told. The "experts" may explain this as offshoots from the original broken oil well, but I don't think this is the only explanation that fits the facts.

I do agree that this oil gusher is creating a feeding frenzy for 4D STS - with probably more yet to come.
 
This guys seems pretty level-headed to me. Check it out

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/210576-Oil-Industry-Veteran-Explains-Why-Nuclear-Option-For-Gulf-Spill-Is-Only-Option-Left
 
There is an informed article on the mechanics of fluid pressure and abrasives eroding the flow channel at http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6609. It appears that the flow rate has been increasing due to the erosion
of the flow channel.
 
RyanX said:
[ when a website or group claims to support the "peak oil" theory, I tend to get a little suspicious. I think at this point "peak oil" has been thoroughly debunked from many credible sources (shouldn't it be obvious by now!?). Remember, a lot of disinformation is wrapped up as credible "science" too, so it takes a lot of reading from various sources to feel out what is close to the truth - especially in these topics such as petroleum geology where the experts should admit that we actually know very little.
I suggest doing a google search for "Thomas Gold professional papers".

I am familiar with the abiotic oil idea and have read Thomas Gold. It is my opinion that it is probably true, and that oil is not a 'fossil fuel'. I fact, it seems rather ridiculous to me that no one has voiced the fact that the current gusher in the GOM, coming from the depth it is, seems to make a lie of the fossil fuel theory, since no fossils are found at that depth, under 4 miles of rock and a mile of water. Even though this may be obvious to those of us who have been open-minded enough to apply our inquiring minds to the issue, it is not a widely accepted mainstream idea. The oil industry has a vested economic reason to maintain the status-quo.

But that is another issue. Matthew Simmons, who is considered an 'expert' on peak oil, is featured at the top of the page on SOTT right now. He is one of the leading proponents of Peak Oil. His advocacy of the 'peak oil' story doesn't discount the truth of what he has to say about the current disaster, in my mind, because he does know about a lot about drilling oil wells. The entire oil industry operates on the basis of the scarcity of oil. I would imagine that many, if not most of the people who work in the industry accept it, because that is what they have been taught and they have never been encouraged to think otherwise. That does not invalidate their scientific and engineering knowledge about well risers, blow-out protectors and all the other innumerable details involved in off-shore drilling.

Many of the oil tech people over at the oil drum agree with Simmons' assesment, btw. They predicted the failure of all the efforts to stop the oil, and the consensus seems to be that the well casing has failed at numerous places deep down, which would explain the emergence of oil in other places on the sea bed. And they have always been maintaining that based on available data, the rate of flow has been much higher than official estimates.
 
venusian said:
But that is another issue. Matthew Simmons, who is considered an 'expert' on peak oil, is featured at the top of the page on SOTT right now. He is one of the leading proponents of Peak Oil. His advocacy of the 'peak oil' story doesn't discount the truth of what he has to say about the current disaster, in my mind, because he does know about a lot about drilling oil wells. The entire oil industry operates on the basis of the scarcity of oil. I would imagine that many, if not most of the people who work in the industry accept it, because that is what they have been taught and they have never been encouraged to think otherwise. That does not invalidate their scientific and engineering knowledge about well risers, blow-out protectors and all the other innumerable details involved in off-shore drilling.

Many of the oil tech people over at the oil drum agree with Simmons' assesment, btw. They predicted the failure of all the efforts to stop the oil, and the consensus seems to be that the well casing has failed at numerous places deep down, which would explain the emergence of oil in other places on the sea bed. And they have always been maintaining that based on available data, the rate of flow has been much higher than official estimates.

Yeah, after seeing how much Simmons has pushed "peak oil' in the past I'm a bit unsure what to think of him. He sounds well-meaning and knowledgeable when he speaks, but he seems to have no problem with pushing an agenda too. I'm a bit skeptical about his opinions, even though they do seem to be backed up by the experts.

The engineers and geologists and other experts who drilled the hole seemed to have hit a situation they didn't expect - or so we're told. Should we suppose that setting off a nuclear device in a large 11,000m deep hole on the ocean floor that's already gushing oil and gas may have some unexpected consequences too? It doesn't sound like this approach is used that often - I mean he's talking about the Russians doing this way back when. Will the Russians be consulting the American Navy or whoever is supposed to pull this off? I hate to be pessimistic, but it sounds like they're just trying to throw everything but the kitchen sink at this hole and so far nothing has worked to stop this gusher.

Sadly, the best we can do from here is sit back and watch in horror while we try to point out the psychopaths behind this disaster.
 
RyanX said:
I'm a bit skeptical ...

I quite agree. I'm skeptical of all of them, too. Even if Simmons is right about a nuke, it sure doesn't seem like a good idea for a lot of other reasons. But if enough people are seriously affected and there is no other option, who knows? I think the situation is going to continue to get uglier.
 
Perceval said:
This guys seems pretty level-headed to me. Check it out

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/210576-Oil-Industry-Veteran-Explains-Why-Nuclear-Option-For-Gulf-Spill-Is-Only-Option-Left

I get the same impression - I think he knows what he's talking about, except for the government taking all BP's cash - that's about as likely as the government closing the CIA global secret prisons... osit.
 
I'm not sure if this was posted here before and also I am not sure about the accuracy of this info but there seems to be a relation between NALCO - the company which supplies Corexit for the gulf oil spill clean up (or should we say to more toxify the area ?)- and Goldman Sachs, Warren Buffet and Al Gore. If you google "Nalco Al Gore" there are some results. But as I said I am not sure about the accuracy though it wouldn't surprise me.
 
un chien anadolu said:
I'm not sure if this was posted here before and also I am not sure about the accuracy of this info but there seems to be a relation between NALCO - the company which supplies Corexit for the gulf oil spill clean up (or should we say to more toxify the area ?)- and Goldman Sachs, Warren Buffet and Al Gore. If you google "Nalco Al Gore" there are some results. But as I said I am not sure about the accuracy though it wouldn't surprise me.

Indeed. All of the signs are pointing to these pathocrats being totally unable to think in any terms other than how to make a profit. Disaster, ecological or humanitarian has no effect on them, they see only ONE thing in such situations - "how can we profit"? Needless to say, the future for any civilisation under the rule of such people is very dark indeed. We're talking complete destruction ultimately.

On the abiotic thing; yeah, that's another of those foundational "big lies". L Fletcher Prouty said clearly long ago that the industry heads got together at the start and decided to claim it was a limited resource knowing that it wasn't.

Here's the short video where he spells it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdNqYeVwX4
 
"Crist begins his day in the region at 12:45 p.m. at a company called Osprey Biotechnics in north Sarasota, which is developing a microbe that they say can break down oil spills."

http://politicalinsider.blogs.heraldtribune.com/11296/crist-in-sarasota-thursday/?tc=ar

Spill Fighter, News Junkie Update(s): bioremediation updates

http://spillfighters.com/2010/06/news-junkie-update/
 
I doubt BP will allow the use of microbes. They will continue to spray their toxic dispersant because they own the company that manufactures it and they are profiting from it. As long as we hold BP liable for the spill, they call the shots. I wonder if microbes can even survive in water contaminated by the toxic dispersant. I sure hope our government comes to their senses instead of keeping BP in charge of the cleanup which is like putting a criminal in charge of a crime scene.
 
the thing that impresses me about this is that Florida seems to be standing up against BP and federal govt. Check out the link in this same topic about Destin FL. It is refreshing to see "little" govts say "enough!" and stand up against TPTB.

Good point about whether microbes would work or not in salt water infected with Corexit; either way, they should give it a good shot to see if it will work, at least...

(oh, and I realized the article is June 16th - not today - I'm lost as usual in anomalous time)
 
(someone said)... follow the money trail...

BP CEO Hayward sold a lot of his BP stock about a month before the disaster occurred.
I smell something fishy here.

Here's what the London Telegraph has to say about it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7804922/BP-chief-Tony-Hayward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html
 
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