Nigel Kerner - Gray Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls

[StrangeCaptain]

I second that, Gandalf.

 

[Guardian]

First:

Sure, it is your forum and your place, it is exactly what I expected you to do.

However keep in mind that, along with my posts, you are removing facts too.

It would be interesting you people really listen to what is happening in the third world, it is quite different from what you think it is.

Anyway thank you for posting some of my messages in your forum. I will continue my journey in search of better winds.

Second :

ADDED: It is "tolerance" as an ideology that covers pathology that got us into this mess. We have zero tolerance of pathological diversity.

Well, this is all I needed, you said it all goodbye and good luck.

This is not place for me.

And today:

Laura, thank you for posting Kerner main ideas.

That is all I wanted to do, hope it is food for thought.

There is no resentment nor grudge on my side, only a well thought and mature decision to not posting my ideas in places where debate and discussion is not allowed.

I sincerely things are like this, but it is what it is.

I have serious doubts about where really the pathology is, but I will say nothing, grown up people must realize for themselves.

Where I come from, this is called a "Southern Goodbye" ....which can take anywhere from two hours to two days ;D

 

[Guardian]

I correct my previous post:

"I sincerely regret things are like this, but it is what it is."

P.S. Your eyeless Avatar is just plain creepy

 

[Laura]

Laura, thank you for posting Kerner main ideas.

That is all I wanted to do, hope it is food for thought.

Are you aware of how totally incongruous that material is in the context of the work of Mellars and others in the Neanderthal thread where you wanted to post it? How inappropriate it is to that context?

Did you also notice that some of what Kerner has written is very similar to Cs, though with distortions and twists? It's almost like the disinfo version.

There is no resentment nor grudge on my side, only a well thought and mature decision to not posting my ideas in places where debate and discussion is not allowed.

You obviously haven't read much of this forum or even the forum rules and guidelines.

 

[RyanX]

There are a great many problems with this argument, and it is built upon some pretty speculative foundations. Nigel Kerner is reliant upon a version of Ufology brought to us by David Jacobs, and seems less aware of other aspects of this broad subject, which is limiting. He pulls out a series of contemporary articles from mid-nineties issues of 'New Scientist' to back up some of his radical proposals, most of which lack balance in terms of the general positions taken by mainstream scientists. Then he mixes this heady brew of speculation with some pretty deep religious concepts, developed particularly from his Christian background. The result is the presentation of a very personal belief system.

I've read David Jacobs work and it seems to be mostly based on his own hypnosis experiments with abductees. I don't think Jacobs really got to the root of what was happening with many abductees and in some cases could have been leading them in the hypnosis. So, for Nigel to use Jacobs as a starting point for research, is going to make any of his conclusions tenuous at best, IMO.

Some of the ideas I found commendable, others difficult to justify without a great deal more evidence. But where I found the book as a whole very difficult was its relentless drive. It just kept going. It became very repetitive, particularly regarding the religious sections, which became sermon-like after a while. Some pruning by an experienced Hodder and Stoughton editor should really have been undertaken before publication. As it was, the book was just too overwhelming, at least for me.

I believe this is probably what Approaching Infinity meant by "schizoid"

 

[dant]

Thanks Laura for threads 50 - 52! A lot of things to consider and to ponder!

I agree with Guardian on the eyeless Avatar - creepy indeed! :/

 

[Nienna]

Thanks Laura for threads 50 - 52! A lot of things to consider and to ponder!

I agree with Guardian on the eyeless Avatar - creepy indeed! :/

Yes, sort of like a person who just cannot see, or is blind.

 

[Laura]

"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?"

 

[Guardian]

Yes, sort of like a person who just cannot see, or is blind.

The eyes are the mirror of the soul.

 

[rofo6850]

I know I said I am leaving. However I do not want to go without showing you something I regard very important, something that seems to be a big blind spot in all of you, which now is ready to be shown, thanks to the kindness of Laura who has posted the main Kerner ideas and of course Cass material, channeled by herself.
There is no manipulation nor bad intentions on my side, only hope to contribute to help you see where I believe you are going wrong. It is my own unconscious the one who urges me to make this post.

This is in line with The Work, exactly as postulated by Gurdjieff regarding self-exploration, self-criticism and self-knowledge, the detection, acknowledgment and bringing to consciousness of all kind of programs we have built-in.

Let’s go to the task.

You can read Kerner ideas, as posted by Laura some messages ago. Too you can recall Cass in the following:

Session 18/10/1994

Q: (L) Are the Aryan/Celts who came to this planet from the other one that was destroyed, were they, when they came, in any way superior to the humans already here?
A: Somewhat.
Q: (L) What was the nature of this superiority?
A: Durability.
Q: (L) Physical or mental?
A: Physical.
Q: (L) Well, blond haired, blue-eyed people seem to be somewhat more delicate or thin-skinned compared to, say, the blacks.
A: In this environment on surface.
Q: (L) Why are there different races?
A: Many reasons. Experimental creations. Partly.
Q: (L) Where did the Orientals come from?
A: Same as all others. Result of experimentation.
Q: (L) Did they originate on this planet? Are they native to this planet?
A: Both. Orientals reserved for souls most advanced; Aryans most aggressive; Negroes most naturally attuned to earth vibrational frequency. So are "native Americans".
Q: (L) Can you determine my dominant genetic type?
A: Caucasian.
Q: (L) Is Caucasian different from Aryan or Celtic?
A: Aryan subgroup Caucasian.
Q: (L) In terms of being Caucasian, do I have any Negro blood in me?
A: Faint trace.
Q: (L) Who were the blue skinned people written about in the Vedas?
A: Aryans.

Session 24/09/1995

Q: (L) Are the Orion STS the infamous red-headed Nordic aliens?
A: Yes, and all other humanoid combinations.
Q: (L) Okay, if it started with the Nordic types, and that is where the other humanoid combinations came from, what genetic combinations were used for human beings?
Black people, for instance, since they are so unlike "Nordics?"
A: The Nordic genes were mixed with the gene pool already available on Earth, known as Neanderthal.
Q: (L) What was the genetic combination used to obtain the Oriental races?
A: Orientals come from a region known in your legends as "Lemuria," and are a previous hybridization from 7 genetic code structures from within Orion Union, designed to
best fit the earth climate and cosmic ray environment then existent on earth.
Q: (L) Okay, what about the Semitic and Mediterranean peoples?
A: Each time a new flock was "planted," it was engineered to be best suited to the environment where it was planted. Aryans are the only exception, as they had to be
moved to earth in an emergency.
Q: (L) If races are engineered on earth to be "best suited," what factors are being drawn from or considered regarding the Semitic race?
A: They are not engineered on earth, but in Orion lab as all others. They were "Planted" in the Middle East.
Q: (L) What genetic type were the Atlanteans?
A: They were the same as the "Native Americans."

Session 20/10/1994

Q: What white men were seen in South America and talked to the tribes there and promised to return one day and were worshipped as Gods.
A: Egyptians and Atlantean descendants.

Session 07/10/1995

Q: (L) I have thought about my question from the last session and I want to ask it this way: You have said that Hitler received instructions from higher density beings about creating a 'Master Race.' Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable for creation of this Germanic 'master race?'
A: Both, similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion 3rd and 4th density stock.
Session 19/07/1997
Q: Do you mean that 4h density STS likes particularly to eat Aryans?
A: Only the reptilian types.

Session 06/06/1998

Q: I know. One doesn't do it. That simple. Okay, now, I was reviewing our Jesus pages for the net, and on the subject of this life of Jesus that you gave, the few details, you mentioned that the biological father of Jesus was an individual named Tonatha. Then, you said that this individual was a member of what you called the 'White Sect' also known as Aryans. Aryans are not precisely known as a sect, but what sect is there among Aryans that you were referring to; what is it called?
A: White sect.
Q: So, they call it the White Sect. Is it like the White Brotherhood?
A: Those of fair complexion who wear white robes.
Q: (T) We call them KKK here! (L) Similar to the Templars? Is there, for example, a name that they call themselves?
A: White Sect.
Q: And when they call themselves this, in what language did they create this moniker?
A: Aramaic.
Q: So, we need to know what it is in Aramaic. What kind of teachings did they follow?
A: Similar to the monks of orthodox Christianity.

Session 26/12/1998

Q: At the making of the Covenant at Mt. Sinai, there was a bunch of sacrificed animals, and Moses took the blood , dividing it in half, he cast one half on the altar. Taking
the book of the covenant, he read it to the people, and they said 'we will observe all that Yahweh has decreed. We will obey.' And then Moses took the blood and cast it
on the people saying 'this is the blood of the covenant that Yahweh has made with you containing all these rules.' What is this blood of the covenant?
A: Has to do with bloodline.
Q: So this symbolized the bloodline of the Jews?
A: No.
Q: What bloodline are we talking about here?
A: Aramaic/Aryan.
Q: Are you saying that the Jews are Aramaic/Aryan?
A: No. Jews are not bloodline categorizable, per se.

Well, this is enough. It is CLEARLY SHOWN in Cass material who Aryans really are. Too it is clearly shown where the “religious madness” of the Middle East really come from, who are the “teachers”. All the evidence points to Aryan groups, they are the engineers and the implementers of violence in this world.

If you have read Kerner you would have noticed the close resemblance to what the Cass said. In fact, Laura herself acknowledge this issue:

Did you also notice that some of what Kerner has written is very similar to Cs, though with distortions and twists? It's almost like the disinfo version.

Of course the distorsions and twist and the label of “disinfo” is totally subjective on her side, I do not see any of this. I see an astonishing similarity, of course Kerner lacks the rich detail the Cass have, he is only a 3D human being.

Now, the big question:

How is it that all the overwhelming evidence from 3000 years of historical facts, the Cass material, Kerner, Saramago, Orwell, Huxley, Foucault, Feinmann and dozens of thinkers and philosophers, all them pointing out to the unmistakable role Western civilization, white men, (Aryans) has in worldwide this state of affairs, turned into blaming Semitic people for their “religious madness”? Are they really responsible?
All evidence shows without doubt that precisely Aryans are the Atlanteans of our times, how then can we blame Semitic people?

There is something very wrong in this picture. How it happened? I only can speculate, I think it has to do with blind spots and programs. We all tend to defend our own people and civilization, what we know and what we think we are. It is not easy to recognize mistakes and failures.

This is the reason I post this message, hopefully it will lead someone to a self-exploration and criticism. I am aware that most probably I will receive a huge load of accusations, insults and rudeness, this is to expect, these are all defense mechanisms.

PD: regarding the “fear” you have of my Avatar, you must know our eyes, as part of our physical senses, are the less reliable instruments of “seeing”. All physical senses have certain programs built-in and show reality as it is programmed in them, not necessarily what is really outside. You are a group that claim be in search of transcendent realities and claim knowledge of esoteric topics, it is not me who has to tell you that the real seeing is done via the heart and mind, what is currently known as third eye. You should not fear my eyeless Avatar, it symbolizes precisely this.

 

[Guardian]

I know I said I am leaving.

I know, I know...but you just couldn't resist trying to force your lame opinions on people who aren't interested one more time could ya?

PD: regarding the “fear” you have of my Avatar,

I didn't say I "feared" your Avatar, I said the empty eye sockets are CREEPY. I think clowns are creepy too, but I don't fear them.

 

[Al Today]

I may be wrong, but I got a feeling here and I wanna know what y'all think.
rofo6850 seems to be dicussing two(2) classes of people here.
1) Semitic
[quote author=ask.com]In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.[/quote]
Bolded above to formulate a question. _http://www.ask.com/wiki/Semitic

2) Aryan/Caucasians. Yes?

How the white man kills I do not debate. BUT, the question is why to point this out. I can see Semitic is a subgroup race of peoples. The debate is going round and round. Never giving up to prove what? Firstly, Jew is a religion, NOT a race. After much debate am I supposed to forgive Israel for their ruthlessness? Is this the ultimate goal? Why else is the Middle East madness so seemingly consuming in the rofo6850 postings? Why?

WHAT IS YOUR POINT rofo6850? Quit the political rhetoric, please?

Please... Tell me if I'm wrong...

 

[Mona]

I have to say something here. Why is it that the alien issue stirs up so much anger in people? These little gray/green little or big idiots are doing a good job at deviding us all. Even though the 4D manipulation of these creatures does affect us in whatever ways we think they affect us, we still should not get so uptight about it because as I see it they are the ones who end up being the winners once we do fall for their manipulation game. Yes, I am in the same boat with you, I am angry right now.

As for deciding where the pathological behavior of people originated, it is educational to search for its origin, but that is as far as it should go. Attacking each other will not do us any good. Besides don't you think that all of humanity is just Screwed Up? We all are in this bubble of insanity. Maybe the universe was designed to be insane for just that reason, to keep our minds stimulated so that we would not get too tired of living in a happy bubble.

I am really sick of these little grays with fancy weapons/technology. That is all they have. Why should we give them any credit for that?

 

[Z...]

I know I said I am leaving.

dude seriously, you've been leaving for 5 days now
can you drop this already

 

[stellar]

Could be my imagination, but this whole 'debate' attempt smells of 'Ira Einhorne' promulgatining his version of truth/reality.
Sorry if I'm off track.
Still fresh in my mind as I am just half way through Almost Human.