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RedFox said:
or may be
And blame it on al qaeda biological warfare ?
Obama special statement - Osama bin Laden 'dead'...
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or may be
And blame it on al qaeda biological warfare ?
Thomas Alan
The Living Force
This opens the flood gates on torture. In the "sheeples" mind the seed has been sown that torture brought about this "success."
It's almost a mandate to use torture on nearly anyone. Likely the US prison industry is hard at work designing water boarding equipment.
I still haven't seen anything questioning the whole charade in the MSM, other than a few comments like "of course it's not good to kill any human being, but...."
At the end of our morning meeting at work yesterday someone said that in case anyone hadn't heard, Osama is dead.
Another man commented, "And it only took a trillion dollars and 6000 lives." Of course he was referring to the lives of US service people. In fact, there have been millions of lives destroyed in supposed pursuit "terrorists".
Mac
It's almost a mandate to use torture on nearly anyone. Likely the US prison industry is hard at work designing water boarding equipment.
I still haven't seen anything questioning the whole charade in the MSM, other than a few comments like "of course it's not good to kill any human being, but...."
At the end of our morning meeting at work yesterday someone said that in case anyone hadn't heard, Osama is dead.
Another man commented, "And it only took a trillion dollars and 6000 lives." Of course he was referring to the lives of US service people. In fact, there have been millions of lives destroyed in supposed pursuit "terrorists".
Mac
Piotrek
Jedi
[quote author=Ellipse]
The distraction machine seem to be at full power these days:
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This is very interesting to me, as well:
[quote author=Ellipse]
- The wedding
[/quote]
...takes care of the pop-culture, entertainment crowd
[quote author=Ellipse]
- The pope beatification
[/quote]
...takes care of [most] of the Christian/religious world
[quote author=Ellipse]
- The Bin Laden dead
[/quote]
...takes care of the 'beware-of-terrorists' crowd
Everyone's taken care of and happy... nothing to worry about...
The distraction machine seem to be at full power these days:
[/quote]
This is very interesting to me, as well:
[quote author=Ellipse]
- The wedding
[/quote]
...takes care of the pop-culture, entertainment crowd
[quote author=Ellipse]
- The pope beatification
[/quote]
...takes care of [most] of the Christian/religious world
[quote author=Ellipse]
- The Bin Laden dead
[/quote]
...takes care of the 'beware-of-terrorists' crowd
Everyone's taken care of and happy... nothing to worry about...
Also what is currently going on in Europe, about supposed terrorists, some people got captured in England filming a nuclear power plant and in Germany too, two or three days ago. So the timing is perfect, for some more fear-mongering imo. And I heard something today about terrorists in the Czech Republic too, that the police captured people.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hjWD3YZVpxVMCOxBeF8UTxIh6c3w?docId=4c6bc246b9944f9ab288de1b916d9061
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703703304576297302521541540.html
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=127889
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hjWD3YZVpxVMCOxBeF8UTxIh6c3w?docId=4c6bc246b9944f9ab288de1b916d9061
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703703304576297302521541540.html
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=127889
Another thing is, if they were able to capture Saddam Hussein alive and give him a trial, why couldn't they bin Laden alive? If the Seals are such a crack team of specialists, and had intelligence that bin Laden was in this location, surely they have the capability to do this (I'm thinking tranquillizers, tazers).
Wouldn't a capture and trial of bin Laden have been far more valuable than this stupid story they've put out? So, he's already dead.
They break a story saying he's been killed in a Pakistan suburb. Destabilisation of Pakistan coupled with a victory for Obama seem like the obvious motives for this to me.
Wouldn't a capture and trial of bin Laden have been far more valuable than this stupid story they've put out? So, he's already dead.
They break a story saying he's been killed in a Pakistan suburb. Destabilisation of Pakistan coupled with a victory for Obama seem like the obvious motives for this to me.
Ellipse said:
FWIW (if anything) - One of the very few TV shows I choose to watch is the futuristic sci-fi one called Fringe. Interestingly, the season finale is Friday, and it is all about a universally destructive event occurring on 9/11/11 on a parallel planet Earth. In the show, the only goal of that alternate reality is to destroy our own planet Earth. It supposes that there are two planet earths coexisting on top of each other at the same time, but that only one can survive the events to come. A pseudo-hyperdimensional war of the worlds if you will, complete with time travelling shape shifters.
Brainwashing indeed! Seems a little too conveniently timed not to mention tho (there are also numerous direct references to the original 9/11 woven into plot).
I became suspicious when they interrupted the tv program to make the great announcement of the dead of Osama bin Laden, here, in Mexico ¿? … I can count with fingers of one hand the times they had done that (tv), sure the president had given speeches but they had been previously announced.
I could not avoid laughing so hard when they said that the body was thrown “buried” in the sea, the psychopaths torture, manipulate, kill, etc… and respect funeral issues??? … whatever evidence they might want to use as prove will be almost if not totally: fake.
I agree, we are having the same "treatment" at the radio and TV, and I wonder... which countries are having the same "treatment"?
edit: grammar
I could not avoid laughing so hard when they said that the body was thrown “buried” in the sea, the psychopaths torture, manipulate, kill, etc… and respect funeral issues??? … whatever evidence they might want to use as prove will be almost if not totally: fake.
Ellipse said:
I agree, we are having the same "treatment" at the radio and TV, and I wonder... which countries are having the same "treatment"?
edit: grammar
Meager1
Dagobah Resident
Not to distract from the thread, but isn`t there some bible section that speaks of a hated leader being killed and everyone partying in the streets about it. Then it says he "arises" and defeats them all, or something to that effect?
Can`t remember where I read that though.
Can`t remember where I read that though.
Social Flu
The Force is Strong With This One
Doesn't sound like the Bible. More like something Nostradamus would have written...
As predicted (on this thread, I believe) - it looks like the PTB are using this as a means of justifying torture.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/3/gop-notes-harsh-interrogation-helped-bin-laden-ope/
[quote author=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/3/gop-notes-harsh-interrogation-helped-bin-laden-ope/]
Republicans note harsh interrogation helped bin Laden operation
The debate over the use of harsh interrogation techniques during the Bush administration is being rekindled by the successful operation against Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan, which was based on information about the courier extracted from detained terror suspects.
Rep. Peter T. King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said initial clues to bin Laden’s location can be traced to the waterboarding of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and the interrogations of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the former No. 3 al Qaeda leader captured in 2005.
“Khalid Shaikh Mohammed basically gave up nothing until after he had been waterboarded,” Mr. King, New York Republican, said in an interview Tuesday. “It was after that that he first mentioned the courier, he identified him by his nom de guerre, and after that … al Libbi also gave us additional information on the courier.”
White House counterterrorism coordinator John Brennan said Tuesday that he is not aware that waterboarding produced intelligence that led to the identity of bin Laden’s compound.
“Not to my knowledge. The information that was acquired over the course of nine years or so came from many different sources — human sources, technical sources, as well as information that detainees provided,” Mr. Brennan said on MSNBC.
Mr. King said the Bush administration’s overall handling of terrorist detainees was vindicated by Sunday’s successful raid.
“Absolutely. This is a vindication,” he said. “Without that, we may not have gotten bin Laden.”
Administration officials said tracking one particular bin Laden courier ultimately produced key intelligence that ended the worldwide manhunt with Sunday’s commando raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, that left the al Qaeda leader dead.
Work by analysts who “pieced it all together” led to the Abbottabad compound last year and the Sunday raid, Mr. Brennan said, noting that no single piece of information resulted in finding the compound and that data from detained terrorists were mixed.
“Sometimes they gave up information willingly as far as offering some details; some of it was disinformation,” he said. “Sometimes they provided information that they didn’t realize had embedded clues in it that we were able to exploit.”
A senior Obama administration official who briefed reporters Sunday night said intelligence agencies had focused on finding couriers for bin Laden since 2001, with one trusted messenger having “our constant attention.”
Interrogated detainees provided the courier’s nom de guerre, identified him as a protege of Mohammed and al-Libbi, and revealed he was “one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden,” the official said.
The courier also was living with and protecting bin Laden, but intelligence agencies were unable for years to learn his name or location.
Then, four years ago, the courier was identified by name, and then two years later he and his brother were spotted as operating in a specific area of Pakistan, the official said.
“Still, we were unable to pinpoint exactly where they lived due to extensive operational security on their part,” the official said.
In August the couriers’ residence was located as the Abbottabad compound, triggering the covert operation that began in September and ended on Sunday. Both the courier and his brother were killed in the raid.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told reporters on Tuesday that “nothing has been found to indicate that this came out of Guantanamo.”
“And people were questioned, but there were no positive answers as to the identity of this No. 1 courier,” Mrs. Feinstein, California Democrat, said.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney said he believes harsh interrogations likely contributed to finding bin Laden.
“I would assume that the enhanced interrogation program that we put in place produced some of the results that led to bin Laden’s ultimate capture,” Mr. Cheney said Monday on Fox News Channel.
Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said in an interview with Newsmax that “normal interrogation techniques” helped lead searchers to bin Laden, but not waterboarding.
“It certainly points up the fact that the structures that President Bush put into place — military commissions, Guantanamo Bay, the Patriot Act, indefinite detention and humane treatment, but intensive interrogation to be sure — all contributed to the success we’ve had in the global war on terror,” Mr. Rumsfeld said.
White House National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said the debate over whether harsh interrogation produced intellgience on bin Laden is a distraction because the successful raid was based on multiple types of information sources.
“There is no way that information obtained by [enhanced interrogation techniques] was the decisive intelligence that led us directly to bin Laden,” he said. “The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003.”[/quote]
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/3/gop-notes-harsh-interrogation-helped-bin-laden-ope/
[quote author=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/3/gop-notes-harsh-interrogation-helped-bin-laden-ope/]
Republicans note harsh interrogation helped bin Laden operation
The debate over the use of harsh interrogation techniques during the Bush administration is being rekindled by the successful operation against Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan, which was based on information about the courier extracted from detained terror suspects.
Rep. Peter T. King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said initial clues to bin Laden’s location can be traced to the waterboarding of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and the interrogations of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the former No. 3 al Qaeda leader captured in 2005.
“Khalid Shaikh Mohammed basically gave up nothing until after he had been waterboarded,” Mr. King, New York Republican, said in an interview Tuesday. “It was after that that he first mentioned the courier, he identified him by his nom de guerre, and after that … al Libbi also gave us additional information on the courier.”
White House counterterrorism coordinator John Brennan said Tuesday that he is not aware that waterboarding produced intelligence that led to the identity of bin Laden’s compound.
“Not to my knowledge. The information that was acquired over the course of nine years or so came from many different sources — human sources, technical sources, as well as information that detainees provided,” Mr. Brennan said on MSNBC.
Mr. King said the Bush administration’s overall handling of terrorist detainees was vindicated by Sunday’s successful raid.
“Absolutely. This is a vindication,” he said. “Without that, we may not have gotten bin Laden.”
Administration officials said tracking one particular bin Laden courier ultimately produced key intelligence that ended the worldwide manhunt with Sunday’s commando raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, that left the al Qaeda leader dead.
Work by analysts who “pieced it all together” led to the Abbottabad compound last year and the Sunday raid, Mr. Brennan said, noting that no single piece of information resulted in finding the compound and that data from detained terrorists were mixed.
“Sometimes they gave up information willingly as far as offering some details; some of it was disinformation,” he said. “Sometimes they provided information that they didn’t realize had embedded clues in it that we were able to exploit.”
A senior Obama administration official who briefed reporters Sunday night said intelligence agencies had focused on finding couriers for bin Laden since 2001, with one trusted messenger having “our constant attention.”
Interrogated detainees provided the courier’s nom de guerre, identified him as a protege of Mohammed and al-Libbi, and revealed he was “one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden,” the official said.
The courier also was living with and protecting bin Laden, but intelligence agencies were unable for years to learn his name or location.
Then, four years ago, the courier was identified by name, and then two years later he and his brother were spotted as operating in a specific area of Pakistan, the official said.
“Still, we were unable to pinpoint exactly where they lived due to extensive operational security on their part,” the official said.
In August the couriers’ residence was located as the Abbottabad compound, triggering the covert operation that began in September and ended on Sunday. Both the courier and his brother were killed in the raid.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told reporters on Tuesday that “nothing has been found to indicate that this came out of Guantanamo.”
“And people were questioned, but there were no positive answers as to the identity of this No. 1 courier,” Mrs. Feinstein, California Democrat, said.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney said he believes harsh interrogations likely contributed to finding bin Laden.
“I would assume that the enhanced interrogation program that we put in place produced some of the results that led to bin Laden’s ultimate capture,” Mr. Cheney said Monday on Fox News Channel.
Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said in an interview with Newsmax that “normal interrogation techniques” helped lead searchers to bin Laden, but not waterboarding.
“It certainly points up the fact that the structures that President Bush put into place — military commissions, Guantanamo Bay, the Patriot Act, indefinite detention and humane treatment, but intensive interrogation to be sure — all contributed to the success we’ve had in the global war on terror,” Mr. Rumsfeld said.
White House National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said the debate over whether harsh interrogation produced intellgience on bin Laden is a distraction because the successful raid was based on multiple types of information sources.
“There is no way that information obtained by [enhanced interrogation techniques] was the decisive intelligence that led us directly to bin Laden,” he said. “The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003.”[/quote]
The other major effect of this announcement is that it has blown the Japan nuclear issue off the front pages.
Richs
The Cosmic Force
Ellipse said:
Hi Ellipse,
I think you have misinterpreted what the C's were actually telling us. Some snips from the session: (bold and underline mine for emphasis)
So, what seems to be of major importance is not in avoiding what comes through our senses, but seeing the difference between what is negative and what is positive and not accepting anything that is negative as positive. Doing this is in itself a 'positive' thing it seems.
