Occupy Wall Street Video Project

[Guardian]

If somebody with real expertise and a track record of real success, not success bought by a rich ex-wife, was doing it, it might have a chance. But I doubt anything that Fithway does because of past experiences and now this... just adding insult to injury. And the way he has gone about it, using my name to get Sandra Brown's support without word one to me... well, that's just unbelievable.

Yeah, I heard about that. He used her material in the sizzle reel without asking, then used your name to justify doing so. It's not just her either..several people on a Facebook group I kinda inherited felt something was hinky and asked me what I knew about this project. I just did a basic look-up, and was VERY distressed by what I found, which is why I posted my concerns here (instead of Facebook)

I'm just not buying the "my professional accountant has used the wrong address for my corporation since at least 2007" explanation. Especially when it's connected to the "my agent sold my series to the Discovery Channel, I don't know those people" explanation. Not when the corporate address belongs to a partner of the President (at the time) of the Discovery Channel.

What I think I see is Alex using this film project (and others) to support his upscale lifestyle. I'm appalled that anyone would solicit donations for a project, then use those funds to support himself, his travels, and pocket any profits.

Then there is the issue of production quality that Laura brought up. Quite frankly, I think I could have done better with my Sony handycam.

Alex, I can't see where you're actually DOING anything but asking people for money? An accountant keeps your books, you agent arranges sales, your assistant does the research, professional camera people do the actual filming, and the script material belongs to people like Sandra, Dr. Hare, etc. I would really like to know exactly what you do besides stick your hand out?

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

I must say that I actually thought that this project had been requested to Fifth Way by the Château crew... You know, that a professionally made documentary about psychopathy was being made to inform the people who don't like to read. I kinda took it for granted that it was one of the 'projects'.

 

[Tigersoap]

I thought that the project was given the green light by Sott given that it was openly posted in here.
But obviously that isn't the case.
I am kinda bummed as I was glad that an old illustration of mine I gave a long time ago was used for this project, this kinda puts me in an awkward position right now as I would not want it to be used in something that is not Sott approved if that makes sense.

 

[anart]

I must say that I actually thought that this project had been requested to Fifth Way by the Château crew... You know, that a professionally made documentary about psychopathy was being made to inform the people who don't like to read. I kinda took it for granted that it was one of the 'projects'.

Mr. Tigersoap:
I thought that the project was given the green light by Sott given that it was openly posted in here.
But obviously that isn't the case.
I am kinda bummed as I was glad that an old illustration of mine I gave a long time ago was used for this project, this kinda puts me in an awkward position right now as I would not want it to be used in something that is not Sott approved if that makes sense.

I totally understand the confusion, that's why you should always ask! I find it hard to believe that Alexander wasn't fully aware of the assumptions others would make regarding this. Even I initially thought that he must have run it past Laura before the kickstarter page set up - I was wrong.

However, it's also a great example of how Alexander used this network (or attempted to) for his own gain. Of course he knew that people would assume it was backed by us - which is why he got the donations he got so quickly. That is the definition of using the network for ones own gain.

 

[Cosmos]

Fifth Way I noticed that you said you would put up a seperate threat about your project so that everyone on the forum
would easily find out about it.
you started the threat and put it up, but seconds later you removed it.
what was the reason for that ?


Edit: when I think about it maybe some mods did it ?

 

[anart]

Fifth Way I noticed that you said you would put up a seperate threat about your project so that everyone on the forum
would easily find out about it.
you started the threat and put it up, but seconds later you removed it.
what was the reason for that ?

He didn't remove it, the admins did. He did not ask to solicit funds for this project on the forum, so it was deleted.

 

[Guardian]

I find it hard to believe that Alexander wasn't fully aware of the assumptions others would make regarding this.

Yeah, kinda like putting "Vice President at Madison Avenue Sports Car Driving And Chowder Society" in bold, at the top of your profile, then acting surprised that the majority of people don't take it as a joke.

 

[stellar]

However, it's also a great example of how Alexander used this network (or attempted to) for his own gain. Of course he knew that people would assume it was backed by us - which is why he got the donations he got so quickly. That is the definition of using the network for ones own gain.

Yeah, I noticed how some members were quick to pledge money by trusting another member. Guess ya can't let your guard down for anyone these days. But all is lessons, right? ;)

 

[Voyageur]

I must say that I actually thought that this project had been requested to Fifth Way by the Château crew... You know, that a professionally made documentary about psychopathy was being made to inform the people who don't like to read. I kinda took it for granted that it was one of the 'projects'.

Mr. Tigersoap:
I thought that the project was given the green light by Sott given that it was openly posted in here.
But obviously that isn't the case.
I am kinda bummed as I was glad that an old illustration of mine I gave a long time ago was used for this project, this kinda puts me in an awkward position right now as I would not want it to be used in something that is not Sott approved if that makes sense.

I totally understand the confusion, that's why you should always ask! I find it hard to believe that Alexander wasn't fully aware of the assumptions others would make regarding this. Even I initially thought that he must have run it past Laura before the kickstarter page set up - I was wrong.

However, it's also a great example of how Alexander used this network (or attempted to) for his own gain. Of course he knew that people would assume it was backed by us - which is why he got the donations he got so quickly. That is the definition of using the network for ones own gain.
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Having made a small pledge for something of great importance, the idea, a lesson has been learned here. There are things going on that are not apparent and feel naïve being caught up in the enthusiasm of the idea of a project such as this without discerning possible ramifications. Worse Fifth Way, I’ve made recommendations, well left it to their own free will, but nonetheless passed along the just of the project thinking, as you are a long term member and the idea has value to humanity, that support is needed.

Will leave the pledge as is; pending….

 

[Palinurus]

However, it's also a great example of how Alexander used this network (or attempted to) for his own gain. Of course he knew that people would assume it was backed by us - which is why he got the donations he got so quickly. That is the definition of using the network for ones own gain.

Yeah, I noticed how some members were quick to pledge money by trusting another member. Guess ya can't let your guard down for anyone these days. But all is lessons, right? ;)

You can say that again! I made the same assumptions and was ready to pledge some money, but couldn't do so because of no creditcard and no dollars either (I'm in Euroland). In hindsight, that saved my day, so to speak. It's a shame none the less.

 

[Cosmos]

yep I was enthusiastic and didn't question enough my own assumptions and his motives and backround.
I will leave my pledge for the moment and see how it developes.

just becouse someone is a long term member of this forum doesn't mean you can trust him blindly......
I should have known this .

another lesson learned...

 

[Possibility of Being]

Alex, I can't see where you're actually DOING anything but asking people for money? An accountant keeps your books, you agent arranges sales, your assistant does the research, professional camera people do the actual filming, and the script material belongs to people like Sandra, Dr. Hare, etc. I would really like to know exactly what you do besides stick your hand out?

Guardian, you better don't ask. If he answers, he'll have to kill you:

_http://luxvelocity.typepad.com/luxvelocity/2010/03/interview-with-alexander-davidis-director-of-gt-racer.html

Is this your main profession?

No, but if I tell you my main profession I’ll have to kill you.

Yeah, kinda like putting "Vice President at Madison Avenue Sports Car Driving And Chowder Society" in bold, at the top of your profile, then acting surprised that the majority of people don't take it as a joke.

Fifth Way seems to have bad luck (or bad taste) when it comes to his storytelling/jokes. Or perhaps he perfectly knows what he's doing and why?

 

[Guardian]

just becouse someone is a long term member of this forum doesn't mean you can trust him blindly......

Personally, I can't even trust myself blindly, much less anyone else.

 

[Josi]

I must say that I actually thought that this project had been requested to Fifth Way by the Château crew... You know, that a professionally made documentary about psychopathy was being made to inform the people who don't like to read. I kinda took it for granted that it was one of the 'projects'.

Raising my hand here - I too made that assumption. I thought Alexander had the Chateau crews blessings for the project.

 

[Laura]

The timing was very bad, too, especially for us here. I am simply not able to keep track of everything and when someone like Alexander takes advantage of that fact, does a whole load of "impression management" all around so that everybody thinks that he's got the "seal of approval," and then, thinks (by some delusional process, is all I can figure), that he has clear sailing ... well, there's something really wrong with his perceptions - a big disconnect between reality and the map of it inside his head.

What is really sad about it is that I do think that Fithway has good intentions but very, very serious programs that run his show. But then, we knew that years ago and he's supposed to have been working on himself, not thinking that he can think. But, he thought (big mistake) that just getting a few words of direction had things all straightened out and he could just barrel along.

Or maybe that's all wrong and just what I WANT to think. Maybe the truth is that there is intentional deception and manipulation here?

Or maybe Fithway is so clueless that he's clueless about being clueless and therefore is just a tool in the hands of any handler that wants to pull his strings?

I'm just sorry that I was trying to have a little break after the last 10 months of intense activity and he picked this time to start all this nonsense.

Re: the whole OWS thing, I thought "That's okay, we can have some exclusive coverage of what is going on; nice that some of our peeps are participating". That sort of thing. But when I saw that he apparently was trying to use this as a launchpad for self-aggrandizement... (which was when he sent me the video link on FB), I thought: "well, I don't think that's going to amount to anything because 1) it's Fithway doing it; 2) OWS is not exactly the venue that is right for waking people up about psychopathology. Sure, you can turn on some of the OWS peeps, but that's like preaching to the choir. What is needed is something that will wake up the silent majority.

Anyhow, that's some background.