Occupy Wall Street Video Project

Oxajil said:
Like you said, you never really have accepted full responsibility. Even now you would want to put the blame on your brain, rather than on yourself. Whenever some things don't go as expected, as Laura wrote in the Redirect thread: ''the personal interpretation will kick in immediately: you will either take responsibility, or blame circumstances."

Indeed, more and more excuses and pity ploys.

FW, you mentioned canceling the project. But I see no mention of refunding everyone immediately. That's the least you can do, like NOW, if you mean half of what you wrote. It's your actions that count, and not your words.

And like Iron pointed out, there are still some good questions left unanswered.
 
What part of the fact that you have no clue what you are doing is so hard to understand? After the whole New Orleans event we knew there was a problem so then, after a long question and answer session we discovered that you don't know anything about handling a camera, you don't know anything about lights, you don't know anything about film editing, you can't even convert the raw footage into usable file formats. Essentially, you just want to collect some people together, have them do all the work with you running around saying "I'm the director/producer", and then take all the credit. You wanted to use our money, our group members, resources, to make a film that YOU would own. Not QFG or the member participants, it was all about YOU.

So yeah, we sent your footage back to you and said "go for it but you're on your own. You will not get any more funding from us and you will not get the resources of our work and members. You will not use us to promote YOU."

That's it in a nutshell.

I see. Then its a matter of "I want ____" without having any real skill to get there. I've been asking a few people I do know who work out in LA on independent films about this issue, but I didn't know FW had no training at all in making movies. I know its possible to make movies without having any real skill in doing it, provided you have enough money to hire it all done. In this case? Not gonna happen.

FW, can you even admit that you don't know how to make a movie? That would be a start in the Work, osit.
 
Ailén said:
FW, you mentioned canceling the project. But I see no mention of refunding everyone immediately. That's the least you can do, like NOW, if you mean half of what you wrote. It's your actions that count, and not your words.

So some people had actually already given money? I thought it was only at the pledge-level for the moment, that the money was pledged until the whole sum (60K) was reached, at which point the money was to be paid by the 'pledgers'?
 
Alejo said:
i should mention that in this drive to want to help, i ordered to print (in color) some flyers which have not come in the mail and was planning to take on the paperboy role and give them away to people on the street (Tigersoap i hope you don't mind).

Nope, not at all. I am more annoyed that you ordered some flyers but maybe they can still be used somehow.


EDIT :

Ok maybe I am thick but who has the jpeg files apart from Fifth way ? I sent him two cleaned up version for the flyers recently.
When I did this way back then it was given to be used (or not) in any way by any of the people involved in the psychopathy reportage (I guess it was for New Orleans) at the time.

I am kinda confused as to ask that the image be taken down and not used by Fifth way anymore because it was made without any restriction usage in mind but of course I am not so sure about it now ?
 
Gimpy said:
I know its possible to make movies without having any real skill in doing it, provided you have enough money to hire it all done.

That's pretty much what this was all about: FW getting money to pay other people to do stuff and take the credit. And ALSO to use the resources of the group, including using its members as free labor.

The QFG approach is to USE YOUR TALENTS, your blood sweat and tears, to produce stuff and we will help as much as we can if it is a worthy project, whether it is help from group members or funding. But the end result has to be owned by QFG/the group, and must be made available FREE to ALL. We just simply aren't going to finance or help anyone indulge in feeding their ego.
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Ailén said:
FW, you mentioned canceling the project. But I see no mention of refunding everyone immediately. That's the least you can do, like NOW, if you mean half of what you wrote. It's your actions that count, and not your words.

So some people had actually already given money? I thought it was only at the pledge-level for the moment, that the money was pledged until the whole sum (60K) was reached, at which point the money was to be paid by the 'pledgers'?

I understood it also that way, you pay first when the pledge is fulfilled, that means until the 60k.

Here is what kickstarter says:


kickstarter said:
All-or-nothing funding?

Every Kickstarter project must be fully funded before its time expires or no money changes hands.

Why?

1. It's less risk for everyone. If you need $5,000, it's tough having $2,000 and a bunch of people expecting you to complete a $5,000 project.

2. It allows people to test concepts (or conditionally sell stuff) without risk. If you don't receive the support you want, you're not compelled to follow through. This is huge!

3. It motivates. If people want to see a project come to life, they're going to spread the word.
 
Gawan said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Ailén said:
FW, you mentioned canceling the project. But I see no mention of refunding everyone immediately. That's the least you can do, like NOW, if you mean half of what you wrote. It's your actions that count, and not your words.

So some people had actually already given money? I thought it was only at the pledge-level for the moment, that the money was pledged until the whole sum (60K) was reached, at which point the money was to be paid by the 'pledgers'?

I understood it also that way, you pay first when the pledge is fulfilled, that means until the 60k.

Well, if that's the case, at the very least FW could send an apology and a notification of annulment of each person's pledge, informing people that the project has been cancelled.
 
Ailén said:
Gawan said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Ailén said:
FW, you mentioned canceling the project. But I see no mention of refunding everyone immediately. That's the least you can do, like NOW, if you mean half of what you wrote. It's your actions that count, and not your words.

So some people had actually already given money? I thought it was only at the pledge-level for the moment, that the money was pledged until the whole sum (60K) was reached, at which point the money was to be paid by the 'pledgers'?

I understood it also that way, you pay first when the pledge is fulfilled, that means until the 60k.

Well, if that's the case, at the very least FW could send an apology and a notification of annulment of each person's pledge, informing people that the project has been cancelled.
This may get close to why Alexander is having such a difficult time in knowing what to do:

A said:
Next hurdle would be the $6k mark which would constitute 10% of the funding. Maybe this can be achieved before this long weekend is over.
Just to let everybody know: ALL the big contributions ($500 and more) have been coming from facebook friends (apparently those that happen to be real friend s as well)
THANK YOU!!!
http://www.facebook.com/groups/301238936595473/ (sorry, not sure how to link to a direct fb post and apologies to those who are unable to view it)

Is it possible, Alexander, that it would be too uncomfortable to have to explain to real life friends (as well as others that were notified of the project who are not on this forum) the reason for cancelling? Are you concerned about others finding out what was posted here and then questioning you further on it? Or is it "simply" that although you state otherwise, you really have no concern for how others are affected?

The fact that it would have to come down to people having to ask you to do the right thing is a bit concerning, in my opinion.
 
Laura said:
Fifth Way said:
There you have it. I don't t think I am psychopathic. I have way to much anxieties for that. But I am definitely more at home in system 1 than system 2. This is why I perform good shooting at a racetrack. Tons of stuff is going on and I can keep an overview on everything all the time. I can get concepts intuitively but not grasp their more abstract complexity.

Can you describe exactly what you do on a "racetrack shoot"? Do you handle the camera? Do you give direction to anyone? Do you then edit the film? I have the feeling that even this is an illusion.

You mean after I researched the subject (no I don't have an assistant who does the research form me) I have written a concept, made a budget and excited my agent about it (who works on commission - that is how the industry works. And as a filmmaker you cannot have a meeting with a TV exec without an agent or set up through an agent), after we had meetings with TV executives where I did a presentation to convince them that we can do a successful shoot of a program that people will enjoy? After we went over contracts deciding on rights and as to how exploit the product according to geographical regions, time frames and fees. After weeks of pre-production where I secure the crew, figure out with them the equipment (which includes a lot of testing and designing all of which I am personally involved with), secure racers (some of which are difficult people to talk to) and their cars, negotiate with racetracks for permissions to shoot, discuss how we will set up our shoot so that we don't disturb the actual race operation in motion, after making sure that our equipment in the cars complies with racing regulations for safety and others factors?

I usually travel there before the race weekend starts sometimes before the crew arrives. I location-scout the track, which is usually a vast area, to decide where to shoot from and how. I meet the track organizers, the race organizers the racers and their mechanics. I befriend the mechanics with my crew as they have to work together in harmony so all can do their job undisturbed while the race is going on. I am a connector.

I set up our production office which is sometimes in a room made available for us, sometimes in one of our trucks.

I have several camera crews, sometimes up to four. Usually two of them consist out of two people, a camera man and a sound man. I brief all of them as to the terrain, the procedure of the race, the location of the cars, the people they have to shoot and in which priority. I give them different rolls. I.e.: You take the long lens and stand on this hill and shoot these cars as they drive by, then you go over there, then you go over there etc. Here is a list with the cars and their numbers, here are the times when to be where and here is an example of the framing I need. You two go to to the paddock and stay with this car xyz and their crew until they leave to line up on the grid. Then you take bike and meet us on the grid. You two stay with me in the pit lane with a wide angel and we shoot driver changes and refuel and interview drivers and crew as everything is in motion. You go over there......etc etc

All of these people are connected to me through walk talkies. I myself rig tiny HD cameras to the cars (sometimes 6 or 8 of them) in 4 or 5 different cars, in the angels I need. Lock and load them and fire them up prior to race.

The moment the race operation starts that involves qualifying rounds and a huge number of different races (over a weekend up to 20), usually everything changes: Times for races change, cars drop ours (sometimes our featured cars, so we instantly need to switch to others that have not previously been lined up, which involves getting permission and exciting the drivers to be in our film in a hurry). Camera equipment has problems (for example if you have 10 cameras running at the same time). In between all of this flash-cards and batteries for the cameras have to be replaces, re-loaded, media has to be downloaded.

I as the ultimate decision maker have to control all of it all the time to make sure it all happens and I am with everybody in contact at all time.

All of this happens against the backdrop of an incredible noise level that just never stops which is extremely stressful. Every thing is always in motion and we always have to change location with heavy equipment, by car, by motorcycle and a lot by foot. For me it is usually 20 hour days for 4 days in a row. On the "Carrera Panamericana" a 2,000 mile race crossing Mexico it was 10 days in a row. It is not an easy thing to figure out how to shot a 7-day, 2,000 mile race, covering three race teams and then actually pulling it off. I am the one who figures it all out because every one of my crew member is completely occupied with his own duty and cannot see how it all will come together.

Later I do edit with an editor. Which means I do not operate the editing software but the editor does. Basically I operate form "System 1" and he from "System 2". He will also load and convert the footage. This is all done in HD which is much more complex than standard definition. There are hundred of different codex' out there and every camera type is different. But the editor can't just edit it together because he has not clue how the enormous amount of footage was shot and how it belongs together, and what happened when. So I sit with him at all times and tell him what goes where shot by shot ("System 1").

In danger of sounding delusional again I am pretty good at that and regularly astonish experienced editors as to how I know where all the footage is and how it can fit and make sense and look good. Once there is somewhat of a skeleton structure the editors improves certain section on his own but only to then present them to me. We sit together again and change it again. That whole process takes usually one month or more.

In the end we perform a color correction which will ensure that all the different cameras look like they where just one in terms of light, color, contrast. By that time there are thousand of edits in a one hour film and it is a very tedious process. Shot by shot. Another thing the editor cannot do alone.

Same with sound mix and on-lining for broadcast. Every single detail has to be checked by me as I am the one who carries the complete responsibility for everything. To assume that it DOES NOT involve blood sweat and tears is just plain wrong.

I have shot twelve of those one-hour long documentaries in many different parts of the world. I have been invited as a speaker to talk about the production of this series several times. Two times I was invited speak at the aforementioned "Madison Avenue Sports Car Driving And Chowder Society" and to become their member. This club has a long list of famous speaker. Last month it was Edsel Ford, of the Ford motor company.

I am here in the US on an O-Visa. From Wikipedia:

"An O visa is a classification of non-immigrant temporary worker visa granted by the United States to aliens "who possesses extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics, or who has a demonstrated record of extraordinary achievement in the motion picture or television industry and has been recognized nationally or internationally for those achievements [...]"

You can't fake it. I had to give many work samples and about a dozed official letters of endorsement from international industry leader that were officially stating to the DHS, not that I am halfway decent or pretty good, but that I am the best in my field of expertise.


Laura said:
Fifth Way said:
The bottom line is I think the best is for me to cancel the project and sort out my own pathology otherwise I am only going to be a burden for others. Unless somebody has a really bright idea, which is unlikely.

The main reason you can't do it is because you haven't got a clue about making a film

I am making films since over twenty years. Long before I meat my wife, who "payed for my carrier" and after I separated from her years ago. I have a fan base who loves my films. Testimonials are on my GTracerTV website. Many trailers are online so anybody can look for themselves.

I do realize most here are not into cars or racing. Discovery bought my stuff because they liked it not because I am buddy with some Discovery person who happens to live at the address where my company was incorporated 15 years ago. (I'll call my accountant now.)

Laura said:
Fifth Way said:
To think I could do it connected but not-connected was worse then hideous because it did exactly what we have now. Everybody thought my project was backed up by the Chateau even though it was not, thus giving everybody now the feeling of being deceived by me.

Because you WERE deceiving everybody.

But I said that:
Everybody thought my project was backed up by the Chateau even though it was not, thus giving everybody now the feeling of being deceived by me. And basically I did deceive everybody because I wanted to be right.
 
Laura said:
Gimpy said:
I know its possible to make movies without having any real skill in doing it, provided you have enough money to hire it all done.

That's pretty much what this was all about: FW getting money to pay other people to do stuff and take the credit. And ALSO to use the resources of the group, including using its members as free labor.

The QFG approach is to USE YOUR TALENTS, your blood sweat and tears, to produce stuff and we will help as much as we can if it is a worthy project, whether it is help from group members or funding. But the end result has to be owned by QFG/the group, and must be made available FREE to ALL. We just simply aren't going to finance or help anyone indulge in feeding their ego.

When we did this project together, before you told me to do it on my own, that is exactly what you asked of me and I immediately agreed to give you ALL rights and ALL ownership whatsoever unconditionally.
 
Ailén said:
Gawan said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Ailén said:
FW, you mentioned canceling the project. But I see no mention of refunding everyone immediately. That's the least you can do, like NOW, if you mean half of what you wrote. It's your actions that count, and not your words.

So some people had actually already given money? I thought it was only at the pledge-level for the moment, that the money was pledged until the whole sum (60K) was reached, at which point the money was to be paid by the 'pledgers'?

I understood it also that way, you pay first when the pledge is fulfilled, that means until the 60k.

Well, if that's the case, at the very least FW could send an apology and a notification of annulment of each person's pledge, informing people that the project has been cancelled.

My plan exactly.
 
truth seeker said:
Ailén said:
Gawan said:
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Ailén said:
FW, you mentioned canceling the project. But I see no mention of refunding everyone immediately. That's the least you can do, like NOW, if you mean half of what you wrote. It's your actions that count, and not your words.

So some people had actually already given money? I thought it was only at the pledge-level for the moment, that the money was pledged until the whole sum (60K) was reached, at which point the money was to be paid by the 'pledgers'?

I understood it also that way, you pay first when the pledge is fulfilled, that means until the 60k.

Well, if that's the case, at the very least FW could send an apology and a notification of annulment of each person's pledge, informing people that the project has been cancelled.
This may get close to why Alexander is having such a difficult time in knowing what to do:

A said:
Next hurdle would be the $6k mark which would constitute 10% of the funding. Maybe this can be achieved before this long weekend is over.
Just to let everybody know: ALL the big contributions ($500 and more) have been coming from facebook friends (apparently those that happen to be real friend s as well)
THANK YOU!!!
http://www.facebook.com/groups/301238936595473/ (sorry, not sure how to link to a direct fb post and apologies to those who are unable to view it)

Is it possible, Alexander, that it would be too uncomfortable to have to explain to real life friends (as well as others that were notified of the project who are not on this forum) the reason for cancelling? Are you concerned about others finding out what was posted here and then questioning you further on it? Or is it "simply" that although you state otherwise, you really have no concern for how others are affected?

The fact that it would have to come down to people having to ask you to do the right thing is a bit concerning, in my opinion.

The fact that they asked does not mean that they HAD to ask.
I will do that and decided on that a while ago.

And that is what I will be dealing with now. So if I am away from this forum for a while that is why.

Will I be comfortable doing it? Of course not. I feel like dirt but I will do it. Because I am serious about trying to make things right.


I also have to clear up this burning question with my accountant.
 
Fifth Way said:
I as the ultimate decision maker have to control all of it all the time to make sure it all happens and I am with everybody in contact at all time.

OK, I think I grok. Essentially (in construction terms) you're the "General Contractor" in charge of all the sub-contractors?
 
Fifth Way said:
I also have to clear up this burning question with my accountant.

Yes. At this point I think it would be VERY helpful if you could provide documentation regarding who paid your corporate registration fees...a receipt, canceled check, etc?
The amount due is public info, but who actually paid for you is not.

I am sorry to have to ask for these things Fifthway, and I hope you understand why I do?
 
Guardian said:
Fifth Way said:
I as the ultimate decision maker have to control all of it all the time to make sure it all happens and I am with everybody in contact at all time.

OK, I think I grok. Essentially (in construction terms) you're the "General Contractor" in charge of all the sub-contractors?
I guess you could look at it that way.

Btw. The project is canceled. Sending messages will take a while.
 

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