opiate withdrawal

davey72 said:
omg.why did i get censored for asking about ibogaine?

You weren't just asking about it. You were saying you wanted to get some, use it, and then went so far as to ask forum members if they had information on where to help you obtain it. All of those things are very illegal and strictly against forum rules, as explained before, and for very good reasons.
 
Jason (ocean59) said:
Psyche said:
It is psychoactive, not a brain chemistry balancing compound.

I don't think that those two terms are mutually exclusive.

Marijuana is actually a good example of this. It has been proven to regulate endocannabinoid deficiencies in the brain in people lacking that balance, and is also simultaneously psychoactive. Nicotine would be another example of a psychoactive drug that I believe has brain chemistry balancing characteristics, though I do not understand the chemistry of that substance as well.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of psychoactive compounds after reading the Mood Cure by Julia Ross and her clinical experience treating drug addictions with nutrition and orthomolecular medicine. I only defend nicotine which mimics acetylcholine naturally and thus, it is more in the realm of orthomolecular medicine. ;)

Ross explains that marijuana sets off balance the brain chemistry, for example serotonin production is decreased in the long-term.
 
oh. Well,when i asked the question,i had not even thought of it that way.live and learn i guess.sorry.
i have just figured out, being at 2mgs that extreme anxiety isnt really supposed to be part of the withdrawal process,which means this is an underlying condition. No wonder i self medicated with downers since 13,at which time my friends dada shot us with our first dose of heroin.i hope there .always marvelled at people with the concentration to just lay on the couch for two weeks straight.
they have been coming up with lately is names for medical conditions.one that i had was reyes? restless leg syndrome.since a little kid.
it's funny when i was a kid, partying, everyone thought i was so calm cool and confident ,but i dont know what to do about the anxiety.
i think i now know why when my friends would abuse their ritalin--i would never feel anything from it. perhapps i am adhd
 
Hi Davey,

Are you doing the EE program with any regularity?

I had to back away from certain aspects of it due to the intense emotional and psychological results, but the pipe breathing really takes the anxiety down and gently heals the mind and body. I wouldn't suggest it if I didn't think it would have a tremendous beneficial effect on you I can't emphasize that enough.

If you combine it with the Prayer of the Soul, it only gets more powerful and has a protective component to it as well, or so I think.
Regarding the prayer, it doesn't matter whether you believe in the Divine Cosmic Mind, Buddha, Jesus or are an atheist. The words are universal in their application. If you don't believe in a higher power, refer to your own soul when you use the term Divine Cosmic Mind.

It would be helpful if you can view your issues as ways of coping with psychological traumas and wounds you experienced, mostly in your childhood. Therefore, the solution lie in releasing them. These wounds don't just reside in your head either. The body has an incredible memory and stores traumas in the body as well. So, when you start to release these wounds, it affects both your mind and your body, which will undoubtedly benefit all aspects of withdrawal.

I apologize if this seems simplistic but I am no stranger to addiction or withdrawal and have found great relief through the EE program.

Gonzo
 
Honestly Gonzo, i have been doing the breathing lately, but i can't seem to find the link for the rest of the three part video and audio that i remember. especially for the meditation.?
 
I hadn't realized that it was as bad as it is, but i am really noticing some chronic pain issues i have.
Not really sure what to do about these underlying conditions?
 
davey72 said:
I hadn't realized that it was as bad as it is, but i am really noticing some chronic pain issues i have.
Not really sure what to do about these underlying conditions?

Chronic pain is almost always due to inflammation. What is your diet like? If you've not completely removed gluten, dairy, sugar and alcohol from your diet, then that's the first step.
 
I am honestly trying,but my life doesn't permit me to eat well everyday.i have been taking 5-thp for the last 2 days,and i take melatonin. I am supposed to take strong prescription ibuprofen, but i rarely do. I have been doing the bb breathing maybe once /day to once /2 days. Just kinda hard , cause i have roomates. It's also hard cause i never have the money to eat properly.
Just kinda in spurts.
 
davey72 said:
I am honestly trying,but my life doesn't permit me to eat well everyday.i have been taking 5-thp for the last 2 days,and i take melatonin. I am supposed to take strong prescription ibuprofen, but i rarely do. I have been doing the bb breathing maybe once /day to once /2 days. Just kinda hard , cause i have roomates. It's also hard cause i never have the money to eat properly.
Just kinda in spurts.

The diet is really simple, you may find that you can save more money on it. What you eat is essential in a detox. Supplements are helpers, but they can't really substitute for a healthy diet.
 
Psyche said:
davey72 said:
I am honestly trying,but my life doesn't permit me to eat well everyday.i have been taking 5-thp for the last 2 days,and i take melatonin. I am supposed to take strong prescription ibuprofen, but i rarely do. I have been doing the bb breathing maybe once /day to once /2 days. Just kinda hard , cause i have roomates. It's also hard cause i never have the money to eat properly.
Just kinda in spurts.

The diet is really simple, you may find that you can save more money on it. What you eat is essential in a detox. Supplements are helpers, but they can't really substitute for a healthy diet.

fwiw I agree with psyche on this. I just did my weekly (7day) shop from the supermarket for all my food (all you need is a freezer draw to store it). It works out at roughly £50 (about $80) buying all organic meat and vegetables etc......for 4-5 (large) meals a day, seven days a week for myself.
So for 4 meals a day (buckwheat blinis with blueberries and bananas for first breakfast, and meat/fish for 3 of the other meals with either quinoa or buckwheat blinis etc and vegetable soup with one meal or for a fifth meal on its own), it would work out at $2.85 a meal.
You can go for more tinned fish and non organic root vegetables and save yourself money to start with....and once you've tested enough vegetables you can buy packets of frozen vegetables to further reduce cost. I once worked out I could survive on £30 a week. That's about $47. That works out at $1.67 a meal for 4 meals a day 7 days a week......gluten, dairy, sugar free and with at least 4 days of organic meat for meals (3 meals a day), the rest being tinned fish in olive oil!
Heck if you could find a good farmer who raises his meat fairly without too many chemicals, and didn't bother with organic vegetables you could probably get the weekly food cost down to $25-$30....that's $0.87-$1.01 a meal.

Cooking times are about 5-10mins for a days worth of blini's to snack on and 30-40mins for all 3 main (meat/fish) meals for the day. If you cook a batch of quinoa/blinis and veg and keep it in the fridge you can put a meal of tinned fish/blinis/veg/quinoa together in a 30 seconds!

The last thing people seem to think will be a problem is the lack of energy/time.....i.e. they can't shop for these things, prepare them or cook them because they don't have the energy or time. Well I have the exact same amount of time I use to have, only I have at least 4 times the energy and time passes slower because of it (so I get more done in less time).....knowing how much food effects my health/state of mind becomes enough of a drive to get you to start doing these things......and then once you start you find you have more time (or can do more in the time you have) and energy to carry on.

Changing your routine and getting into the habit of preparing/cooking all your own food can be the biggest hurdle....but cost (for buying all you need for the detox diet) is not usually a problem once you work it out.
 
Thanks.i have to get a frezzer as i only have a full apartment fridge,and my work and pay are sporadic at best,so it really is about making the effort. :huh:
 
Iconoclast said:
4-5 meals per day? wow!
i eat 1 meal per day, a small breakfast and a small snack in the evening.

For me I have a problem retaining weight (its improving over time sticking with the ultra simple/eleimination diet, good fats seem to be part of the key), so I was eating 4-5 meals a day. Now I mostly eat 3-4 (so the cost saving goes up per meal).

Are you on the ultra simple diet/have you cut out gluten/dairy/sugar??

davey72 said:
Thanks.i have to get a frezzer as i only have a full apartment fridge,and my work and pay are sporadic at best,so it really is about making the effort. :huh:

Learning to work with what's in front of me has been tricky.....perhaps just stick with what you have to work with for now? Get lots of tinned fish, fresh veg (or buy frozen if its cheaper and use it all up in a day or so in the ultra broth). A healthy fats are really important (lard/beef tallow/duck fat).....eating a lot of these fats has really started to turn my health around. Fats keep in the fridge for weeks.

My mum kindly makes up my ultra broth now, and I mash up the veg in it to turn it into a soup. Put it into sealed plastic containers (once its cooled) and freeze it. But keeping a few sealed pots for 3 days in a cool enough fridge should be fine if they are sealed (adding sea salt will help preserve it). I defrost them and put them in a glass bowl (not plastic) and nuke them for 5 minutes until piping hot.
If you made a big batch you could eat some on the say and put the rest in the fridge.
You can turn it into a full meal by adding cooked quinoa/cooked beef mince.

Have a small amount of meat in the fridge (it keeps a few days), but mostly cook on the day you buy and store it in the fridge I think.

Root vegetables store well in a cool dark place as long as they are not in a sealed bag. Cooked vegetables/meat will last 3-4 days in a fridge with no bother. Cucumbers and celery will keep in the fridge for a week or two.
Blini's seem to be ok in a fridge for a day or so...but don't taste too good unless re-heated in a microwave for a few minutes....

Buckwheat flour and uncooked quinoa will keep in your cupboard for a month or three. If not longer.

If funds are sporadic get the veg, and a bunch of tinned fish and buckwheat/fat to make blinis's and you'll do fine. Then just buy meat as and when you can afford it. It may be quite boring to just stick to the same things for every meal....but after a while you'll notice what a big difference it makes.

I noticed you posted in the serotonin thread, I was going to mention that starting this diet can be a bit like overcoming depression.....it can be tricky to break the old habits....but the new behaviour/routine supports the elimination of the depression if you stick with it. The old diet also is a cause of depression....so becomes a trap.

*edit*
To add, check out Big Fat Lies and the new podcast GMO Frankenfoods and What You Can Do to Improve Your Health as a help in guiding you through the diet and what not to buy/eat.
 
Iconoclast said:
4-5 meals per day? wow!
i eat 1 meal per day, a small breakfast and a small snack in the evening.

It has been suggested on the forum that at breakfast you should eat like a king, at lunch you should eat like a prince and at dinner you should eat like a pauper. Maybe you hadn't seen that yet? :) And there are reasons for it. Several people have noticed improved energy eating this way.

fwiw
 
For some reason i have rarely been able to stomach breakfast. Pretty cold with lots of snow here right now. Sometimes i put things outside to freeze, but if i dont hide it really good, then it's gone.

This is what it is called? "the ultra simple diet?
This is the one that laura has posted?

What about the anti candida diet?
It seems to me that the first one would be best for me coming off of opiates?


For anyone that may be interested, i couldn't handle it anymore, especially as i have to work, so i went back up from 3 mg's to 8 mg's.
It has made a big difference.i think i needed to do this as i apparently was coming down too fast, and knowing how long it stays in yer system; i think it will be easier to go down by 1 mg/week now, as it has given me more time to get the stuff outta my system a little more first.
This coupled with going down slower, i think may help.

I just really want it to be over, like NOW!!
haha.
thanks again for all the advice. i really do appreciate it.
 
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